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OhioStunter
12/10/2015 10:18 AM
rpbobcat wrote:expand_more
There's an article in today's The Record about reworking the bowl system.

According to the article, things that have been suggested include:

1.Requiring a record of 7-5 to be bowl elibable.
(SEC has an issue with this)

2.Not allowing any team with a losing record to play in a bowl.

Another issue is that, in one bowl,2 teams from the same conference (Mountain West) will be playing each other.

From what the article says,depending on rule changes, some bowls would have to go "dark".

Question is,city's work on Bowl Game prep. for months.
How do you tell them a couple of weeks out,sorry,no game.
Plus,who decides what bowls get cut ?

Article also says that more bowls are on the horizon.
Bowls going "dark" due to a lack of eligible teams seems like the greater of two evils when you factor in the commitment of the city in prep for the bowl.
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OU_Country
12/10/2015 11:57 AM
GoCats105 wrote:expand_more
I don't disagree. That Playoff Selection show was insufferable on Sunday. They didn't even talk about the other bowls until about 3 hours into it.

I haven't watched any of the selection shows with the exception of the one that was squeezed in between a couple good basketball games. Watching them is about as useful to me as watching Donald Trump talk politics.


OhioStunter wrote:expand_more
Would you suggest going back to the old BCS computer models? Not sarcasm. Honest question.

If they emphasized wins versus winning teams, road wins, and non-conference SOS more, it might be better. Top 8 get the bids?





OhioStunter wrote:expand_more
There's an article in today's The Record about reworking the bowl system.

According to the article, things that have been suggested include:

1.Requiring a record of 7-5 to be bowl elibable.
(SEC has an issue with this)

2.Not allowing any team with a losing record to play in a bowl.

Another issue is that, in one bowl,2 teams from the same conference (Mountain West) will be playing each other.

From what the article says,depending on rule changes, some bowls would have to go "dark".

Question is,city's work on Bowl Game prep. for months.
How do you tell them a couple of weeks out,sorry,no game.
Plus,who decides what bowls get cut ?

Article also says that more bowls are on the horizon.
Bowls going "dark" due to a lack of eligible teams seems like the greater of two evils when you factor in the commitment of the city in prep for the bowl.

Agreed - align the number of bowls with the approximate average number of teams that finish the 12 game season with a winning record - i.e. Seven wins. Use the last 5-7 years for averages. Then you have a load of 6-6 teams to fill the slots if there's an odd year. To give a 6-6 team a bowl berth is absurd. To give one to a 5-7 team is even worse.

Don't get into the "the kids worked hard and deserve a bowl" argument. I wouldn't question the time and effort put in by any student athlete for a minute. But if we're wiling to have 82 bowl teams, we should in turn have 128 or maybe even 256 teams in the NCAA Tournament.

The postseason should be designed to reward a good season. It should be about competition first, rewarding the kids second, fan experience and TV Revenue third.

Too much of college sports has become about money. What the greedy dummies don't realize is that they can make legitimate, fair competition out of all the bowl games, selection processes, at-large tournament selections, and PEOPLE WILL STILL WATCH AND PAY FOR TICKETS. Everyone will still make more than enough money, even if you let "mid-majors" into the parties when they're deserving.
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Pataskala
12/10/2015 12:18 PM
OhioStunter wrote:expand_more
From what the article says,depending on rule changes, some bowls would have to go "dark".

Question is,city's work on Bowl Game prep. for months.
How do you tell them a couple of weeks out,sorry,no game.
Plus,who decides what bowls get cut ?
Bowls going "dark" due to a lack of eligible teams seems like the greater of two evils when you factor in the commitment of the city in prep for the bowl.
I've been thinking that if they expand the playoff to eight teams, they could use some of the bowls that are low on most every conference's list for the four first-round games. Some of the bowls would be:

Cure Bowl, Orlando -- 60,000-seat stadium
Quick Lane Bowl, Detroit -- 65,000-70,000
Independence Bowl, Shreveport -- 63,000
Birmingham Bowl, Birmingham, AL -- 71,000
Arizona Bowl, Tucson -- 56,000
Poinsettia Bowl, San Diego -- 70,000

Using four of these each year would probably have enough geographic diversity to make travel less of an issue. The four winners would play the semifinals in two of the NY6 bowls, while the four losers would play in two others. I don't see them approving any new bowls anytime soon, so doing this would mean that they would need 72 teams for 36 bowls. This should accommodate all teams with winning records (there were 65 this season) plus a few 6-6 teams. Timing of the bowls would also be an issue, since there are only about two weeks between the first bowls and the NY6 bowls this year, but I'm sure that if there's enough money involved that would be less of an issue. Of course, this makes all too much sense, so it won't happen.
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Alan Swank
12/10/2015 2:22 PM
From today's dispatch:

http://buckeyextra.dispatch.com/content/stories/2015/12/1...
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OU_Country
12/10/2015 4:40 PM
I did a little research:

*In 2015, we have 49 teams that have 8 wins or better, 13 with 7 wins, and 12 with 6 wins.
*Last year in 2014 there were 45 teams with 8+ wins, 18 with 7 wins, 17 with 6.

(somewhere in my quick math, I obviously missed a couple, as the records show there are 77 that were truly bowl eligible this year.)

But what I'm trying to show here is simple: roughly 60-65 teams every year become "bowl eligible" if the number to be bowl eligible is 7 wins, rather than 6 wins. 30-31 bowl games is more than enough, and probably still too many. At least it would make more sense than 40-41, where they're basically awarding a participation award for the bowl games.
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L.C.
12/10/2015 5:23 PM
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At first, I really didn't get all the gnashing of teeth surrounding the MWC opponents in a single bowl. I mean, so what?; it's an exhibition and a vacation.

Then today I read that the likely cause of the match-up as it is was the BIG having the right of first refusal on some bowls and picking off places the MWC teams might have gone otherwise. In that sense, then, it's more of the P5 "me first" BS that drives everything and I am now firmly in the MWC court on this.

Still, it's not like it's much of an exhibition if you are playing someone you usually play anyway. Suppose Ohio got a bowl and was to play CMU? Playing someone you don't normally play is a lot more interesting.

Why didn't the MWC try to do a trade with another G5 bowl? For example, Ohio or App St could have traded, with the result being one MAC vs MWC game and one Sunbelt vs MWC game? They could have, but the payout would have been less. Choosing money over better games for their teams causes me to have somewhat less sympathy for them.
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Monroe Slavin
12/12/2015 12:56 PM
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Sure, Houston won their conference and made the NY6 for the non-P5, but I'm beginning to wonder what the value of that even is now. It will generate more money for the conference and school in general, but from a competition standpoint the game basically means nothing in the long term.

I'm almost inclined to believe that the Group of Five should start their own 4-team playoff.
It's of the same value that bowl games are to WVU or Texas A&M or Arizona....or any other team.

Playing in a NY6 Bowl game is the next best thing to making the CFB playoff. Yeah, for some school...you might not see the benefits because you're there so often (i.e. Notre Dame, Ohio State, Stanford, etc)....

But ask NIU if they benefited from their Orange Bowl...

Or if Boise State benefited from their multiple BCS bids...

Or TCU

Making these games can only help your program. You don't think there's a benefit of Ohio playing in the Fiesta Bowl rather than the Camellia Bowl?

That's like saying, what's the value of Ohio making the NCAA Sweet Sixteen when they can just play in the CBI.

Silly to not see the benefit of a NY6 bowl game...

You don't think recruits wouldn't look at Ohio differently if they made a NY6 game....

Showing that Ohio or any other G5 school can compete on that level puts them a few steps higher than their competition.....you reap more benefits and your program grows.
That's not what I'm saying at all. Of course I see the value of it when it comes to recruiting, program prestige, school notoriety, etc.

My point is more geared towards the competition aspect of this thing. It doesn't mean anything outside of the small world of Ohio. Sure some college football writers and experts will remember that one time Ohio played in a nice bowl game that didn't mean anything on a national landscape.

Until the Group of Five are actually included in the College Football Playoff, there will technically be no meaning to the postseason competitively from a certain point of view. Financial aspects and marketability are a totally different issue animal. There's tons of value in that.
Respectfully disagree.

I think this a great way to get your name on the national landscape.

You think there are more people that know who Boise, TCU & NIU are...even UCF after BCS bowl games?

I think there is great value on making it.

It's a huge feather in your cap if you're striving for national relevance or exposure.

Ohio hoops is still benefiting from Sweet 16 exposure.

These things help more than your giving credit for
As popular as those schools are, they are still no where near closer to playing for a national championship (TCU excluded because they are now in the Big 12). Boise State got as high as #2 one year but they blew their chance and that might be as high as any G5 team gets again. The system is designed to exclude schools like Ohio, save for the one spot in a rotation bowl game.

Now, I agree those schools are more popular because of what they achieved. It doesn't make them any closer to being on the same scale as Power 5 schools. Unless Boise and NIU make a jump to a bigger conference, they'll be on the outside looking in just like Ohio.

That's why the Memphis argument would have been so intriguing had they gone undefeated this season. Had they went 13-0 with a win over Ole Miss, Navy, Houston and Temple (x2) they technically should have been ranked higher than Alabama since Alabama lost to Ole Miss at home. Would they have been? Probably not.
Totally agree that Boise and NIU will realistically never play for a title.

But don't you think their appearances in those BCS games has had a positive affect on their programs?

You don't think nationally they're given a little more of a pass based on what they've done in the past?

If it was Boise and they finished 13-0 this year, you don't think they would have been given serious consideration for a spot? Probably more so that out-of-nowhere Memphis.

You aren't suddenly going to just show up on the national CFB landscape...but win your league and make a few NY6 bowl games....suddenly some doors that were previously shut will potentially open.

I'm not saying being in P5 leagues doesnt make it easier.....but if you can't be...being a consistent G5 powerhouse and going to NY6 games I think would have a pretty positive affect on your program.

It did for Boise...and for NIU. They're better for it.

And I would say, as unrealistic as it really still is, they're hopes for a national title are more realistic than other G5 schools with no history of playing in BCS bowl games.

But again, you're right....G5 teams have little to no hope of playing for a title...but they still have a place on the national landscape

It's a process..and one that could take 10+ years (i.e. Boise) but they've proven you can aspire to be at least in the conversation


The most important thing is the opticals of posts that are long with lots of re-quotes. That's what bowl season is about.

OCF interests me for his opinions. I usually disagree or find them offbeat or inconsequential. But I enjoy them. (Technical note; I know that my posts are often offbeat...but of excellent conseq--Happy Holidays!)

We have a very good bowl match-up and time, being one of the very first bowls. Bowl season is too much, too long and viewership and attendance will fade as it goes (this year and, if standards to get in aren't raised, over time...'tis obvious. And one, even DFC, should have his or her Master of the Obvious M.O.)


You know why winning MACC is VIP for OHIO? Because it will mean that we have a good record (drawing fan curiosity/interest) and it will be A NATIONALLY NOTED INTERESTING STORY if we do that for the first time in, what, 47 years and counting. Many will be stunned by us with a notably good record and a MACC, especially since that hasn't happened since forever and for that other reason which I've kindly pointed out to you at least more than once.

What % of currently living OHIO were alive when last we MACC'd? What % of OHIO which was alive when we last MACC'd is still alive? PRESS WILL BE ALLOVER IT WHEN WE MACC.

Remember. The important thing is that this post be re-quoted not for its quality (what quality? that would be stupd) but for the artistic merit of being long and full of re-quote boxes.

For you last minute holiday shoppers, consider re-quoting this thread and sending it as a holiday gift. That's good coffee.
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Monroe Slavin
12/12/2015 1:03 PM
Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
Sure, Houston won their conference and made the NY6 for the non-P5, but I'm beginning to wonder what the value of that even is now. It will generate more money for the conference and school in general, but from a competition standpoint the game basically means nothing in the long term.

I'm almost inclined to believe that the Group of Five should start their own 4-team playoff.
It's of the same value that bowl games are to WVU or Texas A&M or Arizona....or any other team.

Playing in a NY6 Bowl game is the next best thing to making the CFB playoff. Yeah, for some school...you might not see the benefits because you're there so often (i.e. Notre Dame, Ohio State, Stanford, etc)....

But ask NIU if they benefited from their Orange Bowl...

Or if Boise State benefited from their multiple BCS bids...

Or TCU

Making these games can only help your program. You don't think there's a benefit of Ohio playing in the Fiesta Bowl rather than the Camellia Bowl?

That's like saying, what's the value of Ohio making the NCAA Sweet Sixteen when they can just play in the CBI.

Silly to not see the benefit of a NY6 bowl game...

You don't think recruits wouldn't look at Ohio differently if they made a NY6 game....

Showing that Ohio or any other G5 school can compete on that level puts them a few steps higher than their competition.....you reap more benefits and your program grows.
That's not what I'm saying at all. Of course I see the value of it when it comes to recruiting, program prestige, school notoriety, etc.

My point is more geared towards the competition aspect of this thing. It doesn't mean anything outside of the small world of Ohio. Sure some college football writers and experts will remember that one time Ohio played in a nice bowl game that didn't mean anything on a national landscape.

Until the Group of Five are actually included in the College Football Playoff, there will technically be no meaning to the postseason competitively from a certain point of view. Financial aspects and marketability are a totally different issue animal. There's tons of value in that.
Respectfully disagree.

I think this a great way to get your name on the national landscape.

You think there are more people that know who Boise, TCU & NIU are...even UCF after BCS bowl games?

I think there is great value on making it.

It's a huge feather in your cap if you're striving for national relevance or exposure.

Ohio hoops is still benefiting from Sweet 16 exposure.

These things help more than your giving credit for
As popular as those schools are, they are still no where near closer to playing for a national championship (TCU excluded because they are now in the Big 12). Boise State got as high as #2 one year but they blew their chance and that might be as high as any G5 team gets again. The system is designed to exclude schools like Ohio, save for the one spot in a rotation bowl game.

Now, I agree those schools are more popular because of what they achieved. It doesn't make them any closer to being on the same scale as Power 5 schools. Unless Boise and NIU make a jump to a bigger conference, they'll be on the outside looking in just like Ohio.

That's why the Memphis argument would have been so intriguing had they gone undefeated this season. Had they went 13-0 with a win over Ole Miss, Navy, Houston and Temple (x2) they technically should have been ranked higher than Alabama since Alabama lost to Ole Miss at home. Would they have been? Probably not.
Totally agree that Boise and NIU will realistically never play for a title.

But don't you think their appearances in those BCS games has had a positive affect on their programs?

You don't think nationally they're given a little more of a pass based on what they've done in the past?

If it was Boise and they finished 13-0 this year, you don't think they would have been given serious consideration for a spot? Probably more so that out-of-nowhere Memphis.

You aren't suddenly going to just show up on the national CFB landscape...but win your league and make a few NY6 bowl games....suddenly some doors that were previously shut will potentially open.

I'm not saying being in P5 leagues doesnt make it easier.....but if you can't be...being a consistent G5 powerhouse and going to NY6 games I think would have a pretty positive affect on your program.

It did for Boise...and for NIU. They're better for it.

And I would say, as unrealistic as it really still is, they're hopes for a national title are more realistic than other G5 schools with no history of playing in BCS bowl games.

But again, you're right....G5 teams have little to no hope of playing for a title...but they still have a place on the national landscape

It's a process..and one that could take 10+ years (i.e. Boise) but they've proven you can aspire to be at least in the conversation


The most important thing is the opticals of posts that are long with lots of re-quotes. That's what bowl season is about.

OCF interests me for his opinions. I usually disagree or find them offbeat or inconsequential. But I enjoy them. (Technical note; I know that my posts are often offbeat...but of excellent conseq--Happy Holidays!)

We have a very good bowl match-up and time, being one of the very first bowls. Bowl season is too much, too long and viewership and attendance will fade as it goes (this year and, if standards to get in aren't raised, over time...'tis obvious. And one, even DFC, should have his or her Master of the Obvious M.O.)


You know why winning MACC is VIP for OHIO? Because it will mean that we have a good record (drawing fan curiosity/interest) and it will be A NATIONALLY NOTED INTERESTING STORY if we do that for the first time in, what, 47 years and counting. Many will be stunned by us with a notably good record and a MACC, especially since that hasn't happened since forever and for that other reason which I've kindly pointed out to you at least more than once.

What % of currently living OHIO were alive when last we MACC'd? What % of OHIO which was alive when we last MACC'd is still alive? PRESS WILL BE ALLOVER IT WHEN WE MACC.

Remember. The important thing is that this post be re-quoted not for its quality (what quality? that would be stupd) but for the artistic merit of being long and full of re-quote boxes.

For you last minute holiday shoppers, consider re-quoting this thread and sending it as a holiday gift. That's good coffee.

Also, everyone gets a trophy.
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L.C.
12/12/2015 2:57 PM
Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
Sure, Houston won their conference and made the NY6 for the non-P5, but I'm beginning to wonder what the value of that even is now. It will generate more money for the conference and school in general, but from a competition standpoint the game basically means nothing in the long term.

I'm almost inclined to believe that the Group of Five should start their own 4-team playoff.
It's of the same value that bowl games are to WVU or Texas A&M or Arizona....or any other team.

Playing in a NY6 Bowl game is the next best thing to making the CFB playoff. Yeah, for some school...you might not see the benefits because you're there so often (i.e. Notre Dame, Ohio State, Stanford, etc)....

But ask NIU if they benefited from their Orange Bowl...

Or if Boise State benefited from their multiple BCS bids...

Or TCU

Making these games can only help your program. You don't think there's a benefit of Ohio playing in the Fiesta Bowl rather than the Camellia Bowl?

That's like saying, what's the value of Ohio making the NCAA Sweet Sixteen when they can just play in the CBI.

Silly to not see the benefit of a NY6 bowl game...

You don't think recruits wouldn't look at Ohio differently if they made a NY6 game....

Showing that Ohio or any other G5 school can compete on that level puts them a few steps higher than their competition.....you reap more benefits and your program grows.
That's not what I'm saying at all. Of course I see the value of it when it comes to recruiting, program prestige, school notoriety, etc.

My point is more geared towards the competition aspect of this thing. It doesn't mean anything outside of the small world of Ohio. Sure some college football writers and experts will remember that one time Ohio played in a nice bowl game that didn't mean anything on a national landscape.

Until the Group of Five are actually included in the College Football Playoff, there will technically be no meaning to the postseason competitively from a certain point of view. Financial aspects and marketability are a totally different issue animal. There's tons of value in that.
Respectfully disagree.

I think this a great way to get your name on the national landscape.

You think there are more people that know who Boise, TCU & NIU are...even UCF after BCS bowl games?

I think there is great value on making it.

It's a huge feather in your cap if you're striving for national relevance or exposure.

Ohio hoops is still benefiting from Sweet 16 exposure.

These things help more than your giving credit for
As popular as those schools are, they are still no where near closer to playing for a national championship (TCU excluded because they are now in the Big 12). Boise State got as high as #2 one year but they blew their chance and that might be as high as any G5 team gets again. The system is designed to exclude schools like Ohio, save for the one spot in a rotation bowl game.

Now, I agree those schools are more popular because of what they achieved. It doesn't make them any closer to being on the same scale as Power 5 schools. Unless Boise and NIU make a jump to a bigger conference, they'll be on the outside looking in just like Ohio.

That's why the Memphis argument would have been so intriguing had they gone undefeated this season. Had they went 13-0 with a win over Ole Miss, Navy, Houston and Temple (x2) they technically should have been ranked higher than Alabama since Alabama lost to Ole Miss at home. Would they have been? Probably not.
Totally agree that Boise and NIU will realistically never play for a title.

But don't you think their appearances in those BCS games has had a positive affect on their programs?

You don't think nationally they're given a little more of a pass based on what they've done in the past?

If it was Boise and they finished 13-0 this year, you don't think they would have been given serious consideration for a spot? Probably more so that out-of-nowhere Memphis.

You aren't suddenly going to just show up on the national CFB landscape...but win your league and make a few NY6 bowl games....suddenly some doors that were previously shut will potentially open.

I'm not saying being in P5 leagues doesnt make it easier.....but if you can't be...being a consistent G5 powerhouse and going to NY6 games I think would have a pretty positive affect on your program.

It did for Boise...and for NIU. They're better for it.

And I would say, as unrealistic as it really still is, they're hopes for a national title are more realistic than other G5 schools with no history of playing in BCS bowl games.

But again, you're right....G5 teams have little to no hope of playing for a title...but they still have a place on the national landscape

It's a process..and one that could take 10+ years (i.e. Boise) but they've proven you can aspire to be at least in the conversation


The most important thing is the opticals of posts that are long with lots of re-quotes. That's what bowl season is about.

OCF interests me for his opinions. I usually disagree or find them offbeat or inconsequential. But I enjoy them. (Technical note; I know that my posts are often offbeat...but of excellent conseq--Happy Holidays!)

We have a very good bowl match-up and time, being one of the very first bowls. Bowl season is too much, too long and viewership and attendance will fade as it goes (this year and, if standards to get in aren't raised, over time...'tis obvious. And one, even DFC, should have his or her Master of the Obvious M.O.)


You know why winning MACC is VIP for OHIO? Because it will mean that we have a good record (drawing fan curiosity/interest) and it will be A NATIONALLY NOTED INTERESTING STORY if we do that for the first time in, what, 47 years and counting. Many will be stunned by us with a notably good record and a MACC, especially since that hasn't happened since forever and for that other reason which I've kindly pointed out to you at least more than once.

What % of currently living OHIO were alive when last we MACC'd? What % of OHIO which was alive when we last MACC'd is still alive? PRESS WILL BE ALLOVER IT WHEN WE MACC.

Remember. The important thing is that this post be re-quoted not for its quality (what quality? that would be stupd) but for the artistic merit of being long and full of re-quote boxes.

For you last minute holiday shoppers, consider re-quoting this thread and sending it as a holiday gift. That's good coffee.

Also, everyone gets a trophy.

Quote box art is essential during long twenty five day layoffs.
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Appalum1
12/12/2015 4:48 PM
App fan here.
IMO, the 4 team play-off system will soon expand to 8. When? My guess is the next 2 - 4 years. Then, 5 - 8 years after that, it will expand to 16. Then, 5 - 8 years after that, it will expand some more, perhaps to 24 (but perhaps to 20, with some play-in games).

I base this prediction on my familiarity with the I-AA/FCS world. That is pretty much EXACTLY what happened there.

Yes, there is more $$ involved in the FBS world than in FCS. But, the other factors are similar. This thread is identifying a certain boredom with the old-fashioned bowl system. I think sooner or later, this "boredom" will be reflected in reduced revenues for bowls that are not hosting some of the top teams. So, sooner or later, the powers that be will figure out they can generate more excitement with an expanded playoff system, which will mean more $$$.
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12/12/2015 6:52 PM
L.C. wrote:expand_more
Sure, Houston won their conference and made the NY6 for the non-P5, but I'm beginning to wonder what the value of that even is now. It will generate more money for the conference and school in general, but from a competition standpoint the game basically means nothing in the long term.

I'm almost inclined to believe that the Group of Five should start their own 4-team playoff.
It's of the same value that bowl games are to WVU or Texas A&M or Arizona....or any other team.

Playing in a NY6 Bowl game is the next best thing to making the CFB playoff. Yeah, for some school...you might not see the benefits because you're there so often (i.e. Notre Dame, Ohio State, Stanford, etc)....

But ask NIU if they benefited from their Orange Bowl...

Or if Boise State benefited from their multiple BCS bids...

Or TCU

Making these games can only help your program. You don't think there's a benefit of Ohio playing in the Fiesta Bowl rather than the Camellia Bowl?

That's like saying, what's the value of Ohio making the NCAA Sweet Sixteen when they can just play in the CBI.

Silly to not see the benefit of a NY6 bowl game...

You don't think recruits wouldn't look at Ohio differently if they made a NY6 game....

Showing that Ohio or any other G5 school can compete on that level puts them a few steps higher than their competition.....you reap more benefits and your program grows.
That's not what I'm saying at all. Of course I see the value of it when it comes to recruiting, program prestige, school notoriety, etc.

My point is more geared towards the competition aspect of this thing. It doesn't mean anything outside of the small world of Ohio. Sure some college football writers and experts will remember that one time Ohio played in a nice bowl game that didn't mean anything on a national landscape.

Until the Group of Five are actually included in the College Football Playoff, there will technically be no meaning to the postseason competitively from a certain point of view. Financial aspects and marketability are a totally different issue animal. There's tons of value in that.
Respectfully disagree.

I think this a great way to get your name on the national landscape.

You think there are more people that know who Boise, TCU & NIU are...even UCF after BCS bowl games?

I think there is great value on making it.

It's a huge feather in your cap if you're striving for national relevance or exposure.

Ohio hoops is still benefiting from Sweet 16 exposure.

These things help more than your giving credit for
As popular as those schools are, they are still no where near closer to playing for a national championship (TCU excluded because they are now in the Big 12). Boise State got as high as #2 one year but they blew their chance and that might be as high as any G5 team gets again. The system is designed to exclude schools like Ohio, save for the one spot in a rotation bowl game.

Now, I agree those schools are more popular because of what they achieved. It doesn't make them any closer to being on the same scale as Power 5 schools. Unless Boise and NIU make a jump to a bigger conference, they'll be on the outside looking in just like Ohio.

That's why the Memphis argument would have been so intriguing had they gone undefeated this season. Had they went 13-0 with a win over Ole Miss, Navy, Houston and Temple (x2) they technically should have been ranked higher than Alabama since Alabama lost to Ole Miss at home. Would they have been? Probably not.
Totally agree that Boise and NIU will realistically never play for a title.

But don't you think their appearances in those BCS games has had a positive affect on their programs?

You don't think nationally they're given a little more of a pass based on what they've done in the past?

If it was Boise and they finished 13-0 this year, you don't think they would have been given serious consideration for a spot? Probably more so that out-of-nowhere Memphis.

You aren't suddenly going to just show up on the national CFB landscape...but win your league and make a few NY6 bowl games....suddenly some doors that were previously shut will potentially open.

I'm not saying being in P5 leagues doesnt make it easier.....but if you can't be...being a consistent G5 powerhouse and going to NY6 games I think would have a pretty positive affect on your program.

It did for Boise...and for NIU. They're better for it.

And I would say, as unrealistic as it really still is, they're hopes for a national title are more realistic than other G5 schools with no history of playing in BCS bowl games.

But again, you're right....G5 teams have little to no hope of playing for a title...but they still have a place on the national landscape

It's a process..and one that could take 10+ years (i.e. Boise) but they've proven you can aspire to be at least in the conversation


The most important thing is the opticals of posts that are long with lots of re-quotes. That's what bowl season is about.

OCF interests me for his opinions. I usually disagree or find them offbeat or inconsequential. But I enjoy them. (Technical note; I know that my posts are often offbeat...but of excellent conseq--Happy Holidays!)

We have a very good bowl match-up and time, being one of the very first bowls. Bowl season is too much, too long and viewership and attendance will fade as it goes (this year and, if standards to get in aren't raised, over time...'tis obvious. And one, even DFC, should have his or her Master of the Obvious M.O.)


You know why winning MACC is VIP for OHIO? Because it will mean that we have a good record (drawing fan curiosity/interest) and it will be A NATIONALLY NOTED INTERESTING STORY if we do that for the first time in, what, 47 years and counting. Many will be stunned by us with a notably good record and a MACC, especially since that hasn't happened since forever and for that other reason which I've kindly pointed out to you at least more than once.

What % of currently living OHIO were alive when last we MACC'd? What % of OHIO which was alive when we last MACC'd is still alive? PRESS WILL BE ALLOVER IT WHEN WE MACC.

Remember. The important thing is that this post be re-quoted not for its quality (what quality? that would be stupd) but for the artistic merit of being long and full of re-quote boxes.

For you last minute holiday shoppers, consider re-quoting this thread and sending it as a holiday gift. That's good coffee.

Also, everyone gets a trophy.

Quote box art is essential during long twenty five day layoffs.
Idiosyncratically yours, Monroe, and a Happy Hanukkah to you, too!
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Mark Lembright '85
12/12/2015 10:31 PM
Love your enthusiasm Monroe, but maybe it's the cynic in me. I think Ohio winning its 1st MACC in over 2 generations won't even cause a ripple on the national sports scene. None at all. I don't think anyone but Ohio alumni care.
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Robert Fox
12/13/2015 7:41 AM
Mark Lembright '85 wrote:expand_more
I think Ohio winning its 1st MACC in over 2 generations won't even cause a ripple on the national sports scene. None at all. I don't think anyone but Ohio alumni care.
Mostly agree with this, except I don't think a great deal of Ohio alumni will care either. Yes, attendance will get a bump. But I predict it will be small and short-lived.
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colobobcat66
12/13/2015 3:36 PM
Robert Fox wrote:expand_more
I think Ohio winning its 1st MACC in over 2 generations won't even cause a ripple on the national sports scene. None at all. I don't think anyone but Ohio alumni care.
Mostly agree with this, except I don't think a great deal of Ohio alumni will care either. Yes, attendance will get a bump. But I predict it will be small and short-lived.
I think only Monroe would think it will national news in capital letters. No wonder he's so pumped about it.
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Monroe Slavin
12/13/2015 6:51 PM
OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
Sure, Houston won their conference and made the NY6 for the non-P5, but I'm beginning to wonder what the value of that even is now. It will generate more money for the conference and school in general, but from a competition standpoint the game basically means nothing in the long term.

I'm almost inclined to believe that the Group of Five should start their own 4-team playoff.
It's of the same value that bowl games are to WVU or Texas A&M or Arizona....or any other team.

Playing in a NY6 Bowl game is the next best thing to making the CFB playoff. Yeah, for some school...you might not see the benefits because you're there so often (i.e. Notre Dame, Ohio State, Stanford, etc)....

But ask NIU if they benefited from their Orange Bowl...

Or if Boise State benefited from their multiple BCS bids...

Or TCU

Making these games can only help your program. You don't think there's a benefit of Ohio playing in the Fiesta Bowl rather than the Camellia Bowl?

That's like saying, what's the value of Ohio making the NCAA Sweet Sixteen when they can just play in the CBI.

Silly to not see the benefit of a NY6 bowl game...

You don't think recruits wouldn't look at Ohio differently if they made a NY6 game....

Showing that Ohio or any other G5 school can compete on that level puts them a few steps higher than their competition.....you reap more benefits and your program grows.
That's not what I'm saying at all. Of course I see the value of it when it comes to recruiting, program prestige, school notoriety, etc.

My point is more geared towards the competition aspect of this thing. It doesn't mean anything outside of the small world of Ohio. Sure some college football writers and experts will remember that one time Ohio played in a nice bowl game that didn't mean anything on a national landscape.

Until the Group of Five are actually included in the College Football Playoff, there will technically be no meaning to the postseason competitively from a certain point of view. Financial aspects and marketability are a totally different issue animal. There's tons of value in that.
Respectfully disagree.

I think this a great way to get your name on the national landscape.

You think there are more people that know who Boise, TCU & NIU are...even UCF after BCS bowl games?

I think there is great value on making it.

It's a huge feather in your cap if you're striving for national relevance or exposure.

Ohio hoops is still benefiting from Sweet 16 exposure.

These things help more than your giving credit for
As popular as those schools are, they are still no where near closer to playing for a national championship (TCU excluded because they are now in the Big 12). Boise State got as high as #2 one year but they blew their chance and that might be as high as any G5 team gets again. The system is designed to exclude schools like Ohio, save for the one spot in a rotation bowl game.

Now, I agree those schools are more popular because of what they achieved. It doesn't make them any closer to being on the same scale as Power 5 schools. Unless Boise and NIU make a jump to a bigger conference, they'll be on the outside looking in just like Ohio.

That's why the Memphis argument would have been so intriguing had they gone undefeated this season. Had they went 13-0 with a win over Ole Miss, Navy, Houston and Temple (x2) they technically should have been ranked higher than Alabama since Alabama lost to Ole Miss at home. Would they have been? Probably not.
Totally agree that Boise and NIU will realistically never play for a title.

But don't you think their appearances in those BCS games has had a positive affect on their programs?

You don't think nationally they're given a little more of a pass based on what they've done in the past?

If it was Boise and they finished 13-0 this year, you don't think they would have been given serious consideration for a spot? Probably more so that out-of-nowhere Memphis.

You aren't suddenly going to just show up on the national CFB landscape...but win your league and make a few NY6 bowl games....suddenly some doors that were previously shut will potentially open.

I'm not saying being in P5 leagues doesnt make it easier.....but if you can't be...being a consistent G5 powerhouse and going to NY6 games I think would have a pretty positive affect on your program.

It did for Boise...and for NIU. They're better for it.

And I would say, as unrealistic as it really still is, they're hopes for a national title are more realistic than other G5 schools with no history of playing in BCS bowl games.

But again, you're right....G5 teams have little to no hope of playing for a title...but they still have a place on the national landscape

It's a process..and one that could take 10+ years (i.e. Boise) but they've proven you can aspire to be at least in the conversation


The most important thing is the opticals of posts that are long with lots of re-quotes. That's what bowl season is about.

OCF interests me for his opinions. I usually disagree or find them offbeat or inconsequential. But I enjoy them. (Technical note; I know that my posts are often offbeat...but of excellent conseq--Happy Holidays!)

We have a very good bowl match-up and time, being one of the very first bowls. Bowl season is too much, too long and viewership and attendance will fade as it goes (this year and, if standards to get in aren't raised, over time...'tis obvious. And one, even DFC, should have his or her Master of the Obvious M.O.)


You know why winning MACC is VIP for OHIO? Because it will mean that we have a good record (drawing fan curiosity/interest) and it will be A NATIONALLY NOTED INTERESTING STORY if we do that for the first time in, what, 47 years and counting. Many will be stunned by us with a notably good record and a MACC, especially since that hasn't happened since forever and for that other reason which I've kindly pointed out to you at least more than once.

What % of currently living OHIO were alive when last we MACC'd? What % of OHIO which was alive when we last MACC'd is still alive? PRESS WILL BE ALLOVER IT WHEN WE MACC.

Remember. The important thing is that this post be re-quoted not for its quality (what quality? that would be stupd) but for the artistic merit of being long and full of re-quote boxes.

For you last minute holiday shoppers, consider re-quoting this thread and sending it as a holiday gift. That's good coffee.

Also, everyone gets a trophy.

Quote box art is essential during long twenty five day layoffs.
Idiosyncratically yours, Monroe, and a Happy Hanukkah to you, too!
OCF--

Merry Christmas to you!

And may people stay off of your lawn!

Is your family wishing people a Hillary New Year?!

Why would anyone watch any bowl that does not feature OHIO UNIVERSITY?

Maybe next year we'll go to the Start Maleek Irons Great Gift Event Pier 1 Imports Bowl!
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OhioCatFan
12/13/2015 9:43 PM
Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
Sure, Houston won their conference and made the NY6 for the non-P5, but I'm beginning to wonder what the value of that even is now. It will generate more money for the conference and school in general, but from a competition standpoint the game basically means nothing in the long term.

I'm almost inclined to believe that the Group of Five should start their own 4-team playoff.
It's of the same value that bowl games are to WVU or Texas A&M or Arizona....or any other team.

Playing in a NY6 Bowl game is the next best thing to making the CFB playoff. Yeah, for some school...you might not see the benefits because you're there so often (i.e. Notre Dame, Ohio State, Stanford, etc)....

But ask NIU if they benefited from their Orange Bowl...

Or if Boise State benefited from their multiple BCS bids...

Or TCU

Making these games can only help your program. You don't think there's a benefit of Ohio playing in the Fiesta Bowl rather than the Camellia Bowl?

That's like saying, what's the value of Ohio making the NCAA Sweet Sixteen when they can just play in the CBI.

Silly to not see the benefit of a NY6 bowl game...

You don't think recruits wouldn't look at Ohio differently if they made a NY6 game....

Showing that Ohio or any other G5 school can compete on that level puts them a few steps higher than their competition.....you reap more benefits and your program grows.
That's not what I'm saying at all. Of course I see the value of it when it comes to recruiting, program prestige, school notoriety, etc.

My point is more geared towards the competition aspect of this thing. It doesn't mean anything outside of the small world of Ohio. Sure some college football writers and experts will remember that one time Ohio played in a nice bowl game that didn't mean anything on a national landscape.

Until the Group of Five are actually included in the College Football Playoff, there will technically be no meaning to the postseason competitively from a certain point of view. Financial aspects and marketability are a totally different issue animal. There's tons of value in that.
Respectfully disagree.

I think this a great way to get your name on the national landscape.

You think there are more people that know who Boise, TCU & NIU are...even UCF after BCS bowl games?

I think there is great value on making it.

It's a huge feather in your cap if you're striving for national relevance or exposure.

Ohio hoops is still benefiting from Sweet 16 exposure.

These things help more than your giving credit for
As popular as those schools are, they are still no where near closer to playing for a national championship (TCU excluded because they are now in the Big 12). Boise State got as high as #2 one year but they blew their chance and that might be as high as any G5 team gets again. The system is designed to exclude schools like Ohio, save for the one spot in a rotation bowl game.

Now, I agree those schools are more popular because of what they achieved. It doesn't make them any closer to being on the same scale as Power 5 schools. Unless Boise and NIU make a jump to a bigger conference, they'll be on the outside looking in just like Ohio.

That's why the Memphis argument would have been so intriguing had they gone undefeated this season. Had they went 13-0 with a win over Ole Miss, Navy, Houston and Temple (x2) they technically should have been ranked higher than Alabama since Alabama lost to Ole Miss at home. Would they have been? Probably not.
Totally agree that Boise and NIU will realistically never play for a title.

But don't you think their appearances in those BCS games has had a positive affect on their programs?

You don't think nationally they're given a little more of a pass based on what they've done in the past?

If it was Boise and they finished 13-0 this year, you don't think they would have been given serious consideration for a spot? Probably more so that out-of-nowhere Memphis.

You aren't suddenly going to just show up on the national CFB landscape...but win your league and make a few NY6 bowl games....suddenly some doors that were previously shut will potentially open.

I'm not saying being in P5 leagues doesnt make it easier.....but if you can't be...being a consistent G5 powerhouse and going to NY6 games I think would have a pretty positive affect on your program.

It did for Boise...and for NIU. They're better for it.

And I would say, as unrealistic as it really still is, they're hopes for a national title are more realistic than other G5 schools with no history of playing in BCS bowl games.

But again, you're right....G5 teams have little to no hope of playing for a title...but they still have a place on the national landscape

It's a process..and one that could take 10+ years (i.e. Boise) but they've proven you can aspire to be at least in the conversation


The most important thing is the opticals of posts that are long with lots of re-quotes. That's what bowl season is about.

OCF interests me for his opinions. I usually disagree or find them offbeat or inconsequential. But I enjoy them. (Technical note; I know that my posts are often offbeat...but of excellent conseq--Happy Holidays!)

We have a very good bowl match-up and time, being one of the very first bowls. Bowl season is too much, too long and viewership and attendance will fade as it goes (this year and, if standards to get in aren't raised, over time...'tis obvious. And one, even DFC, should have his or her Master of the Obvious M.O.)


You know why winning MACC is VIP for OHIO? Because it will mean that we have a good record (drawing fan curiosity/interest) and it will be A NATIONALLY NOTED INTERESTING STORY if we do that for the first time in, what, 47 years and counting. Many will be stunned by us with a notably good record and a MACC, especially since that hasn't happened since forever and for that other reason which I've kindly pointed out to you at least more than once.

What % of currently living OHIO were alive when last we MACC'd? What % of OHIO which was alive when we last MACC'd is still alive? PRESS WILL BE ALLOVER IT WHEN WE MACC.

Remember. The important thing is that this post be re-quoted not for its quality (what quality? that would be stupd) but for the artistic merit of being long and full of re-quote boxes.

For you last minute holiday shoppers, consider re-quoting this thread and sending it as a holiday gift. That's good coffee.

Also, everyone gets a trophy.

Quote box art is essential during long twenty five day layoffs.
Idiosyncratically yours, Monroe, and a Happy Hanukkah to you, too!
OCF--

Merry Christmas to you!

And may people stay off of your lawn!

Is your family wishing people a Hillary New Year?!

Why would anyone watch any bowl that does not feature OHIO UNIVERSITY?

Maybe next year we'll go to the Start Maleek Irons Great Gift Event Pier 1 Imports Bowl!
Thanks, Monroe.

May your new year be full of surprises. ;-)
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OhioCatFan
12/13/2015 9:45 PM
OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
Sure, Houston won their conference and made the NY6 for the non-P5, but I'm beginning to wonder what the value of that even is now. It will generate more money for the conference and school in general, but from a competition standpoint the game basically means nothing in the long term.

I'm almost inclined to believe that the Group of Five should start their own 4-team playoff.
It's of the same value that bowl games are to WVU or Texas A&M or Arizona....or any other team.

Playing in a NY6 Bowl game is the next best thing to making the CFB playoff. Yeah, for some school...you might not see the benefits because you're there so often (i.e. Notre Dame, Ohio State, Stanford, etc)....

But ask NIU if they benefited from their Orange Bowl...

Or if Boise State benefited from their multiple BCS bids...

Or TCU

Making these games can only help your program. You don't think there's a benefit of Ohio playing in the Fiesta Bowl rather than the Camellia Bowl?

That's like saying, what's the value of Ohio making the NCAA Sweet Sixteen when they can just play in the CBI.

Silly to not see the benefit of a NY6 bowl game...

You don't think recruits wouldn't look at Ohio differently if they made a NY6 game....

Showing that Ohio or any other G5 school can compete on that level puts them a few steps higher than their competition.....you reap more benefits and your program grows.
That's not what I'm saying at all. Of course I see the value of it when it comes to recruiting, program prestige, school notoriety, etc.

My point is more geared towards the competition aspect of this thing. It doesn't mean anything outside of the small world of Ohio. Sure some college football writers and experts will remember that one time Ohio played in a nice bowl game that didn't mean anything on a national landscape.

Until the Group of Five are actually included in the College Football Playoff, there will technically be no meaning to the postseason competitively from a certain point of view. Financial aspects and marketability are a totally different issue animal. There's tons of value in that.
Respectfully disagree.

I think this a great way to get your name on the national landscape.

You think there are more people that know who Boise, TCU & NIU are...even UCF after BCS bowl games?

I think there is great value on making it.

It's a huge feather in your cap if you're striving for national relevance or exposure.

Ohio hoops is still benefiting from Sweet 16 exposure.

These things help more than your giving credit for
As popular as those schools are, they are still no where near closer to playing for a national championship (TCU excluded because they are now in the Big 12). Boise State got as high as #2 one year but they blew their chance and that might be as high as any G5 team gets again. The system is designed to exclude schools like Ohio, save for the one spot in a rotation bowl game.

Now, I agree those schools are more popular because of what they achieved. It doesn't make them any closer to being on the same scale as Power 5 schools. Unless Boise and NIU make a jump to a bigger conference, they'll be on the outside looking in just like Ohio.

That's why the Memphis argument would have been so intriguing had they gone undefeated this season. Had they went 13-0 with a win over Ole Miss, Navy, Houston and Temple (x2) they technically should have been ranked higher than Alabama since Alabama lost to Ole Miss at home. Would they have been? Probably not.
Totally agree that Boise and NIU will realistically never play for a title.

But don't you think their appearances in those BCS games has had a positive affect on their programs?

You don't think nationally they're given a little more of a pass based on what they've done in the past?

If it was Boise and they finished 13-0 this year, you don't think they would have been given serious consideration for a spot? Probably more so that out-of-nowhere Memphis.

You aren't suddenly going to just show up on the national CFB landscape...but win your league and make a few NY6 bowl games....suddenly some doors that were previously shut will potentially open.

I'm not saying being in P5 leagues doesnt make it easier.....but if you can't be...being a consistent G5 powerhouse and going to NY6 games I think would have a pretty positive affect on your program.

It did for Boise...and for NIU. They're better for it.

And I would say, as unrealistic as it really still is, they're hopes for a national title are more realistic than other G5 schools with no history of playing in BCS bowl games.

But again, you're right....G5 teams have little to no hope of playing for a title...but they still have a place on the national landscape

It's a process..and one that could take 10+ years (i.e. Boise) but they've proven you can aspire to be at least in the conversation


The most important thing is the opticals of posts that are long with lots of re-quotes. That's what bowl season is about.

OCF interests me for his opinions. I usually disagree or find them offbeat or inconsequential. But I enjoy them. (Technical note; I know that my posts are often offbeat...but of excellent conseq--Happy Holidays!)

We have a very good bowl match-up and time, being one of the very first bowls. Bowl season is too much, too long and viewership and attendance will fade as it goes (this year and, if standards to get in aren't raised, over time...'tis obvious. And one, even DFC, should have his or her Master of the Obvious M.O.)


You know why winning MACC is VIP for OHIO? Because it will mean that we have a good record (drawing fan curiosity/interest) and it will be A NATIONALLY NOTED INTERESTING STORY if we do that for the first time in, what, 47 years and counting. Many will be stunned by us with a notably good record and a MACC, especially since that hasn't happened since forever and for that other reason which I've kindly pointed out to you at least more than once.

What % of currently living OHIO were alive when last we MACC'd? What % of OHIO which was alive when we last MACC'd is still alive? PRESS WILL BE ALLOVER IT WHEN WE MACC.

Remember. The important thing is that this post be re-quoted not for its quality (what quality? that would be stupd) but for the artistic merit of being long and full of re-quote boxes.

For you last minute holiday shoppers, consider re-quoting this thread and sending it as a holiday gift. That's good coffee.

Also, everyone gets a trophy.

Quote box art is essential during long twenty five day layoffs.
Idiosyncratically yours, Monroe, and a Happy Hanukkah to you, too!
OCF--

Merry Christmas to you!

And may people stay off of your lawn!

Is your family wishing people a Hillary New Year?!

Why would anyone watch any bowl that does not feature OHIO UNIVERSITY?

Maybe next year we'll go to the Start Maleek Irons Great Gift Event Pier 1 Imports Bowl!
Thanks, Monroe.

May your new year be full of surprises. ;-)
Suprise #1 -- OHIO wins a MACC and goes to the Access Bowl

Suprise #2 -- Might just occur on election day in November.
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Bcat2
12/14/2015 7:41 AM
OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
Sure, Houston won their conference and made the NY6 for the non-P5, but I'm beginning to wonder what the value of that even is now. It will generate more money for the conference and school in general, but from a competition standpoint the game basically means nothing in the long term.

I'm almost inclined to believe that the Group of Five should start their own 4-team playoff.
It's of the same value that bowl games are to WVU or Texas A&M or Arizona....or any other team.

Playing in a NY6 Bowl game is the next best thing to making the CFB playoff. Yeah, for some school...you might not see the benefits because you're there so often (i.e. Notre Dame, Ohio State, Stanford, etc)....

But ask NIU if they benefited from their Orange Bowl...

Or if Boise State benefited from their multiple BCS bids...

Or TCU

Making these games can only help your program. You don't think there's a benefit of Ohio playing in the Fiesta Bowl rather than the Camellia Bowl?

That's like saying, what's the value of Ohio making the NCAA Sweet Sixteen when they can just play in the CBI.

Silly to not see the benefit of a NY6 bowl game...

You don't think recruits wouldn't look at Ohio differently if they made a NY6 game....

Showing that Ohio or any other G5 school can compete on that level puts them a few steps higher than their competition.....you reap more benefits and your program grows.
That's not what I'm saying at all. Of course I see the value of it when it comes to recruiting, program prestige, school notoriety, etc.

My point is more geared towards the competition aspect of this thing. It doesn't mean anything outside of the small world of Ohio. Sure some college football writers and experts will remember that one time Ohio played in a nice bowl game that didn't mean anything on a national landscape.

Until the Group of Five are actually included in the College Football Playoff, there will technically be no meaning to the postseason competitively from a certain point of view. Financial aspects and marketability are a totally different issue animal. There's tons of value in that.
Respectfully disagree.

I think this a great way to get your name on the national landscape.

You think there are more people that know who Boise, TCU & NIU are...even UCF after BCS bowl games?

I think there is great value on making it.

It's a huge feather in your cap if you're striving for national relevance or exposure.

Ohio hoops is still benefiting from Sweet 16 exposure.

These things help more than your giving credit for
As popular as those schools are, they are still no where near closer to playing for a national championship (TCU excluded because they are now in the Big 12). Boise State got as high as #2 one year but they blew their chance and that might be as high as any G5 team gets again. The system is designed to exclude schools like Ohio, save for the one spot in a rotation bowl game.

Now, I agree those schools are more popular because of what they achieved. It doesn't make them any closer to being on the same scale as Power 5 schools. Unless Boise and NIU make a jump to a bigger conference, they'll be on the outside looking in just like Ohio.

That's why the Memphis argument would have been so intriguing had they gone undefeated this season. Had they went 13-0 with a win over Ole Miss, Navy, Houston and Temple (x2) they technically should have been ranked higher than Alabama since Alabama lost to Ole Miss at home. Would they have been? Probably not.
Totally agree that Boise and NIU will realistically never play for a title.

But don't you think their appearances in those BCS games has had a positive affect on their programs?

You don't think nationally they're given a little more of a pass based on what they've done in the past?

If it was Boise and they finished 13-0 this year, you don't think they would have been given serious consideration for a spot? Probably more so that out-of-nowhere Memphis.

You aren't suddenly going to just show up on the national CFB landscape...but win your league and make a few NY6 bowl games....suddenly some doors that were previously shut will potentially open.

I'm not saying being in P5 leagues doesnt make it easier.....but if you can't be...being a consistent G5 powerhouse and going to NY6 games I think would have a pretty positive affect on your program.

It did for Boise...and for NIU. They're better for it.

And I would say, as unrealistic as it really still is, they're hopes for a national title are more realistic than other G5 schools with no history of playing in BCS bowl games.

But again, you're right....G5 teams have little to no hope of playing for a title...but they still have a place on the national landscape

It's a process..and one that could take 10+ years (i.e. Boise) but they've proven you can aspire to be at least in the conversation


The most important thing is the opticals of posts that are long with lots of re-quotes. That's what bowl season is about.

OCF interests me for his opinions. I usually disagree or find them offbeat or inconsequential. But I enjoy them. (Technical note; I know that my posts are often offbeat...but of excellent conseq--Happy Holidays!)

We have a very good bowl match-up and time, being one of the very first bowls. Bowl season is too much, too long and viewership and attendance will fade as it goes (this year and, if standards to get in aren't raised, over time...'tis obvious. And one, even DFC, should have his or her Master of the Obvious M.O.)


You know why winning MACC is VIP for OHIO? Because it will mean that we have a good record (drawing fan curiosity/interest) and it will be A NATIONALLY NOTED INTERESTING STORY if we do that for the first time in, what, 47 years and counting. Many will be stunned by us with a notably good record and a MACC, especially since that hasn't happened since forever and for that other reason which I've kindly pointed out to you at least more than once.

What % of currently living OHIO were alive when last we MACC'd? What % of OHIO which was alive when we last MACC'd is still alive? PRESS WILL BE ALLOVER IT WHEN WE MACC.

Remember. The important thing is that this post be re-quoted not for its quality (what quality? that would be stupd) but for the artistic merit of being long and full of re-quote boxes.

For you last minute holiday shoppers, consider re-quoting this thread and sending it as a holiday gift. That's good coffee.

Also, everyone gets a trophy.

Quote box art is essential during long twenty five day layoffs.
Idiosyncratically yours, Monroe, and a Happy Hanukkah to you, too!
OCF--

Merry Christmas to you!

And may people stay off of your lawn!

Is your family wishing people a Hillary New Year?!

Why would anyone watch any bowl that does not feature OHIO UNIVERSITY?

Maybe next year we'll go to the Start Maleek Irons Great Gift Event Pier 1 Imports Bowl!
Thanks, Monroe.

May your new year be full of surprises. ;-)
Suprise #1 -- OHIO wins a MACC and goes to the Access Bowl

Suprise #2 -- Might just occur on election day in November.
Did not see me getting in this, but, you got me. +1
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Bobcatbob
12/15/2015 8:50 AM
Thanks, guys, for producing this fantastic optical effect with all the quoting and re-quoting. I'm going to check back later after the mushrooms kick in. Is there a way to alternate the background color in each new post?
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oldkatz
12/15/2015 9:10 AM
Bcat2 wrote:expand_more
Sure, Houston won their conference and made the NY6 for the non-P5, but I'm beginning to wonder what the value of that even is now. It will generate more money for the conference and school in general, but from a competition standpoint the game basically means nothing in the long term.

I'm almost inclined to believe that the Group of Five should start their own 4-team playoff.
It's of the same value that bowl games are to WVU or Texas A&M or Arizona....or any other team.

Playing in a NY6 Bowl game is the next best thing to making the CFB playoff. Yeah, for some school...you might not see the benefits because you're there so often (i.e. Notre Dame, Ohio State, Stanford, etc)....

But ask NIU if they benefited from their Orange Bowl...

Or if Boise State benefited from their multiple BCS bids...

Or TCU

Making these games can only help your program. You don't think there's a benefit of Ohio playing in the Fiesta Bowl rather than the Camellia Bowl?

That's like saying, what's the value of Ohio making the NCAA Sweet Sixteen when they can just play in the CBI.

Silly to not see the benefit of a NY6 bowl game...

You don't think recruits wouldn't look at Ohio differently if they made a NY6 game....

Showing that Ohio or any other G5 school can compete on that level puts them a few steps higher than their competition.....you reap more benefits and your program grows.
That's not what I'm saying at all. Of course I see the value of it when it comes to recruiting, program prestige, school notoriety, etc.

My point is more geared towards the competition aspect of this thing. It doesn't mean anything outside of the small world of Ohio. Sure some college football writers and experts will remember that one time Ohio played in a nice bowl game that didn't mean anything on a national landscape.

Until the Group of Five are actually included in the College Football Playoff, there will technically be no meaning to the postseason competitively from a certain point of view. Financial aspects and marketability are a totally different issue animal. There's tons of value in that.
Respectfully disagree.

I think this a great way to get your name on the national landscape.

You think there are more people that know who Boise, TCU & NIU are...even UCF after BCS bowl games?

I think there is great value on making it.

It's a huge feather in your cap if you're striving for national relevance or exposure.

Ohio hoops is still benefiting from Sweet 16 exposure.

These things help more than your giving credit for
As popular as those schools are, they are still no where near closer to playing for a national championship (TCU excluded because they are now in the Big 12). Boise State got as high as #2 one year but they blew their chance and that might be as high as any G5 team gets again. The system is designed to exclude schools like Ohio, save for the one spot in a rotation bowl game.

Now, I agree those schools are more popular because of what they achieved. It doesn't make them any closer to being on the same scale as Power 5 schools. Unless Boise and NIU make a jump to a bigger conference, they'll be on the outside looking in just like Ohio.

That's why the Memphis argument would have been so intriguing had they gone undefeated this season. Had they went 13-0 with a win over Ole Miss, Navy, Houston and Temple (x2) they technically should have been ranked higher than Alabama since Alabama lost to Ole Miss at home. Would they have been? Probably not.
Totally agree that Boise and NIU will realistically never play for a title.

But don't you think their appearances in those BCS games has had a positive affect on their programs?

You don't think nationally they're given a little more of a pass based on what they've done in the past?

If it was Boise and they finished 13-0 this year, you don't think they would have been given serious consideration for a spot? Probably more so that out-of-nowhere Memphis.

You aren't suddenly going to just show up on the national CFB landscape...but win your league and make a few NY6 bowl games....suddenly some doors that were previously shut will potentially open.

I'm not saying being in P5 leagues doesnt make it easier.....but if you can't be...being a consistent G5 powerhouse and going to NY6 games I think would have a pretty positive affect on your program.

It did for Boise...and for NIU. They're better for it.

And I would say, as unrealistic as it really still is, they're hopes for a national title are more realistic than other G5 schools with no history of playing in BCS bowl games.

But again, you're right....G5 teams have little to no hope of playing for a title...but they still have a place on the national landscape

It's a process..and one that could take 10+ years (i.e. Boise) but they've proven you can aspire to be at least in the conversation


The most important thing is the opticals of posts that are long with lots of re-quotes. That's what bowl season is about.

OCF interests me for his opinions. I usually disagree or find them offbeat or inconsequential. But I enjoy them. (Technical note; I know that my posts are often offbeat...but of excellent conseq--Happy Holidays!)

We have a very good bowl match-up and time, being one of the very first bowls. Bowl season is too much, too long and viewership and attendance will fade as it goes (this year and, if standards to get in aren't raised, over time...'tis obvious. And one, even DFC, should have his or her Master of the Obvious M.O.)


You know why winning MACC is VIP for OHIO? Because it will mean that we have a good record (drawing fan curiosity/interest) and it will be A NATIONALLY NOTED INTERESTING STORY if we do that for the first time in, what, 47 years and counting. Many will be stunned by us with a notably good record and a MACC, especially since that hasn't happened since forever and for that other reason which I've kindly pointed out to you at least more than once.

What % of currently living OHIO were alive when last we MACC'd? What % of OHIO which was alive when we last MACC'd is still alive? PRESS WILL BE ALLOVER IT WHEN WE MACC.

Remember. The important thing is that this post be re-quoted not for its quality (what quality? that would be stupd) but for the artistic merit of being long and full of re-quote boxes.

For you last minute holiday shoppers, consider re-quoting this thread and sending it as a holiday gift. That's good coffee.

Also, everyone gets a trophy.

Quote box art is essential during long twenty five day layoffs.
Idiosyncratically yours, Monroe, and a Happy Hanukkah to you, too!
OCF--

Merry Christmas to you!

And may people stay off of your lawn!

Is your family wishing people a Hillary New Year?!

Why would anyone watch any bowl that does not feature OHIO UNIVERSITY?

Maybe next year we'll go to the Start Maleek Irons Great Gift Event Pier 1 Imports Bowl!
Thanks, Monroe.

May your new year be full of surprises. ;-)
Suprise #1 -- OHIO wins a MACC and goes to the Access Bowl

Suprise #2 -- Might just occur on election day in November.
Did not see me getting in this, but, you got me. +1

Boxes inside boxes inside boxes. Oh wow. I knew that those c-ration ham and limas were out of date but not tripping.
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Sure, Houston won their conference and made the NY6 for the non-P5, but I'm beginning to wonder what the value of that even is now. It will generate more money for the conference and school in general, but from a competition standpoint the game basically means nothing in the long term.

I'm almost inclined to believe that the Group of Five should start their own 4-team playoff.
It's of the same value that bowl games are to WVU or Texas A&M or Arizona....or any other team.

Playing in a NY6 Bowl game is the next best thing to making the CFB playoff. Yeah, for some school...you might not see the benefits because you're there so often (i.e. Notre Dame, Ohio State, Stanford, etc)....

But ask NIU if they benefited from their Orange Bowl...

Or if Boise State benefited from their multiple BCS bids...

Or TCU

Making these games can only help your program. You don't think there's a benefit of Ohio playing in the Fiesta Bowl rather than the Camellia Bowl?

That's like saying, what's the value of Ohio making the NCAA Sweet Sixteen when they can just play in the CBI.

Silly to not see the benefit of a NY6 bowl game...

You don't think recruits wouldn't look at Ohio differently if they made a NY6 game....

Showing that Ohio or any other G5 school can compete on that level puts them a few steps higher than their competition.....you reap more benefits and your program grows.
That's not what I'm saying at all. Of course I see the value of it when it comes to recruiting, program prestige, school notoriety, etc.

My point is more geared towards the competition aspect of this thing. It doesn't mean anything outside of the small world of Ohio. Sure some college football writers and experts will remember that one time Ohio played in a nice bowl game that didn't mean anything on a national landscape.

Until the Group of Five are actually included in the College Football Playoff, there will technically be no meaning to the postseason competitively from a certain point of view. Financial aspects and marketability are a totally different issue animal. There's tons of value in that.
Respectfully disagree.

I think this a great way to get your name on the national landscape.

You think there are more people that know who Boise, TCU & NIU are...even UCF after BCS bowl games?

I think there is great value on making it.

It's a huge feather in your cap if you're striving for national relevance or exposure.

Ohio hoops is still benefiting from Sweet 16 exposure.

These things help more than your giving credit for
As popular as those schools are, they are still no where near closer to playing for a national championship (TCU excluded because they are now in the Big 12). Boise State got as high as #2 one year but they blew their chance and that might be as high as any G5 team gets again. The system is designed to exclude schools like Ohio, save for the one spot in a rotation bowl game.

Now, I agree those schools are more popular because of what they achieved. It doesn't make them any closer to being on the same scale as Power 5 schools. Unless Boise and NIU make a jump to a bigger conference, they'll be on the outside looking in just like Ohio.

That's why the Memphis argument would have been so intriguing had they gone undefeated this season. Had they went 13-0 with a win over Ole Miss, Navy, Houston and Temple (x2) they technically should have been ranked higher than Alabama since Alabama lost to Ole Miss at home. Would they have been? Probably not.
Totally agree that Boise and NIU will realistically never play for a title.

But don't you think their appearances in those BCS games has had a positive affect on their programs?

You don't think nationally they're given a little more of a pass based on what they've done in the past?

If it was Boise and they finished 13-0 this year, you don't think they would have been given serious consideration for a spot? Probably more so that out-of-nowhere Memphis.

You aren't suddenly going to just show up on the national CFB landscape...but win your league and make a few NY6 bowl games....suddenly some doors that were previously shut will potentially open.

I'm not saying being in P5 leagues doesnt make it easier.....but if you can't be...being a consistent G5 powerhouse and going to NY6 games I think would have a pretty positive affect on your program.

It did for Boise...and for NIU. They're better for it.

And I would say, as unrealistic as it really still is, they're hopes for a national title are more realistic than other G5 schools with no history of playing in BCS bowl games.

But again, you're right....G5 teams have little to no hope of playing for a title...but they still have a place on the national landscape

It's a process..and one that could take 10+ years (i.e. Boise) but they've proven you can aspire to be at least in the conversation


The most important thing is the opticals of posts that are long with lots of re-quotes. That's what bowl season is about.

OCF interests me for his opinions. I usually disagree or find them offbeat or inconsequential. But I enjoy them. (Technical note; I know that my posts are often offbeat...but of excellent conseq--Happy Holidays!)

We have a very good bowl match-up and time, being one of the very first bowls. Bowl season is too much, too long and viewership and attendance will fade as it goes (this year and, if standards to get in aren't raised, over time...'tis obvious. And one, even DFC, should have his or her Master of the Obvious M.O.)


You know why winning MACC is VIP for OHIO? Because it will mean that we have a good record (drawing fan curiosity/interest) and it will be A NATIONALLY NOTED INTERESTING STORY if we do that for the first time in, what, 47 years and counting. Many will be stunned by us with a notably good record and a MACC, especially since that hasn't happened since forever and for that other reason which I've kindly pointed out to you at least more than once.

What % of currently living OHIO were alive when last we MACC'd? What % of OHIO which was alive when we last MACC'd is still alive? PRESS WILL BE ALLOVER IT WHEN WE MACC.

Remember. The important thing is that this post be re-quoted not for its quality (what quality? that would be stupd) but for the artistic merit of being long and full of re-quote boxes.

For you last minute holiday shoppers, consider re-quoting this thread and sending it as a holiday gift. That's good coffee.

Also, everyone gets a trophy.

Quote box art is essential during long twenty five day layoffs.
Idiosyncratically yours, Monroe, and a Happy Hanukkah to you, too!
OCF--

Merry Christmas to you!

And may people stay off of your lawn!

Is your family wishing people a Hillary New Year?!

Why would anyone watch any bowl that does not feature OHIO UNIVERSITY?

Maybe next year we'll go to the Start Maleek Irons Great Gift Event Pier 1 Imports Bowl!
Thanks, Monroe.

May your new year be full of surprises. ;-)
Suprise #1 -- OHIO wins a MACC and goes to the Access Bowl

Suprise #2 -- Might just occur on election day in November.
Did not see me getting in this, but, you got me. +1

Boxes inside boxes inside boxes. Oh wow. I knew that those c-ration ham and limas were out of date but not tripping.
Hey there grunt, in the Navy aboard ship we once had hamburgers that had been packed in 1945 during WWII. They actually tasted very good. So, the Navy knows how to preserve stuff better than the Army, but what's new? ;-)
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