I will. It suits me just fine. But thanks for your blessing

Why last four seasons? Would it not be better, more focused to look at the product on the field the last season? If you want to extend backwards what makes four the place to stop? You should go back to 2009, 2006. If you believe in historical data, more is better, right? Really the most focused, best historical data with any connection to 2016 is 2015, nothing earlier. Unless you have cherry picked this period. We all do it. I like 2014 vs 2015, it helps me feel encouraged. You pick the last four years to feed your desired outcome.

Why the last four seasons? Well, because it seems pretty damn relevant.

Did we get blown out in three games in 2015? Yes. Have we been blown out in multiple games the previous three seasons? Yes.

Would that be a disturbing trend? I would think so.

You can ignore those facts. Or you can acknowledge them and discard them and continue to ask others to do the same. Whatever.

If we were hammered in 3 games this year and it hadn't happened similarly the last 3 years, it's a lot easier to chalk it up to a fluke.

But I don't keep my head in the sand. Any level headed person can see this has become a trend with this program the last four years. Whatever the reason for it is...it's happened.

I know it does. You are a blindly optimistic person about this program and that is fine.

But it's laughable the way you counter anyone with hard facts about the struggles, no matter how big or small they are. You never are able to let anyone question things....because "we're not true fans"...."deny them their success"

You really think my desired outcome is for Ohio to be a middle of the pack MAC team? Seriously? Why would I waste me time coming on this message board if I didn't care about Ohio football or enjoyed watching them struggle?

It's not my desired outcome to be 2-10 vs good MAC teams the last 4 years. It's not my desired outcome to get beat by 30+ multiple times in MAC games the last four years.

But sorry pal, those are the facts. Deny them, ignore them, excuse them...do whatever you like.

But they happened. And until they stop, it's going to be a concern.

You don't see NIU, Toledo, BG getting smoked multiple times in a MAC season the last four straight years? That's where this program needs to get. If not, then just tell me we are an above average program and I'll enjoy it for what it is. Until Jim Schaus and Frank Solich announce they are no longer interested in competing for MACC or with the best in this league, I'll continue to hold them to a championship standard.

Any wheelbarrow of positive about last season must be buried by a dump truck of negative going back four years. 2015 was a big turn around for the program. They took the stat sheet from Ohio > OPP in only rushing to Ohio > OPP in Scoring, Points Per Game, First Downs, Rushing Yards, Passing Yards,Total Offense, Time of Possession, First Half Scoring. Rushing TDs, Passing TDs.
It is becoming very clear that it is you desire to shoot down, blow up, bury any attempt to present the positive. Go ahead blast away.

Because yours is superior.

ALL HAIL THE SITUATION! THE ALL-KNOWING!

Look man, you choose to view the program any way you want. I'll do the same. I don't sit in my mom's basement so I can "address the overparametization of the opponents."

And yes, I'm well aware of the title of this thread...but the conversation strayed from that specific point. But go ahead and use that to ignore the stats.

I've watched every game this team has played the last 6+ years. We're not nearly as good in 2015 as we were in 2011. And we sure as hell aren't in the same league week in and week out with Toledo or NIU (insert Bcat2 "Scoreboard" comment here) or BG.

So keep on keeping on.

If you think we're still a top tier MAC program, good for you. I respectfully disagree. I'll stick with my mediocre methodology.

My opinion on standard scientific means and methods of data preparation and interpretation is superior to yours. My education, training, work experience, and independent pursuits support that conclusion.

I don't think we're a top tier MAC program at this exact moment in time.

But I also know what you've presented does not support that opinion. What you've presented wouldn't be taken seriously by anyone who takes data interpretation seriously.

This isn't an e-posturing exercise. Your ordering of the teams by total wins against the "Top 8" 2009-2015 is fundamentally incorrect.

I'm not arguing about your opinion.

But maybe we're both arguing about things we learned in school.

I'm arguing about the application of the scientific method.

And you're arguing about the application of your kindergarten teacher's rule that "all opinions are equal".

No, time to quit arguing with everyone about everything. This off-season is going to last an eternity if we have to re-work the same arguments every day for the next 8 months.

I decided awhile back that unless someone has some serious math issues, or gives wrong information, I'm going to stay out of discussing the past, and even if I correct the math or data, I'm going to stay out of interpreting it. I've tried to stick to that in this thread.

If someone wants to talk about the future, great, but the past, I think we've covered it.

Guys, please, for all of our sake give this personal battle a rest. You both have a definite point of view and you use ONLY facts/numbers that make support your opinion. Here is something OBJECTIVE you can both chew on for a while. And, first Sagrin could give a crap about OHIO and how good or bad it is and what way it is going. Also, it is the SAME methodology so at least it is CONSISTENT. So, here goes:

2015-94
2014-135
2013-122
2012-75
2011-68
2010-104

There you have it. Our highest ranking was 68 in 2011 while the lowest is 135 in 2014 (I could not find any older Rankings for Sagrin). From 2011 thru 2014 we were in a free fall from 68-75-122-135. Fortunately, this year we reversed that trend.

Let's hope we continue the upward trend because 94 is sure not where I want to be forever and I doubt it is where FS&Co want to end their run! I'd like to see us at 65 or better every year!

+1

It also shows that 2015 was about what I expected before the season in another respect. Before the season I predicted that 2015 would be about the same as the 2009-2010 teams. The 2009-2010 teams by that measure were 88 and 104, an average of 96, while the 2015 team was 94. Now, if my 2016 forecast is as accurate, I said it will be Solich's best team, which means it needs to end up <68.

Will that be good enough to win a MACC? It has a good shot, but you need some luck, along the way, too. Note that Toledo finished 36, while BG is 53, and NIU is only 84, yet NIU was the one in the title game.

Albert Einstein's definition of common sense: "Common sense is nothing more than a deposit of prejudices laid down in the mind before you reach eighteen."