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BillyTheCat
12/30/2015 7:37 PM
bshot44 wrote:expand_more
And a beautiful campus may be great with a Volleyball recruit or Women's basketball player, but it does little in the men's sports.
Disagree. Watch the ESPN 30 for 30 on Coach McCartney at Colorado....

He recruited a ton of kids from inner city LA (Compton, South Central, etc) and everyone of them said that the campus at Boulder was a huge selling point.

I think getting a kid to Athens makes an impression

They were also mostly JUCO and troubled kids who many of which couldn't get into school anywhere else at that time. And I do not need to read Bill's book as I know both him and his son Mike who happens to be a very well respected NFL player agent.

So again, tell me why OHIO should always be the #2 choice for any kid in the state of Ohio? And why are you settling for #2? If you think a kid from Toledo should pick us over Michigan, why not pick us over OSU?
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Monroe Slavin
12/30/2015 8:37 PM
More prescient:

Too many bowls? NC State played Mississippi State today in The Belk Bowl. So, clearly yes.

I've watched 3 hours or less of non-OHIO ball (college and pro) this season. I'm watching pieces of Louisville vs. Texas A&M.

Announcers said 'ville installed the under-center for this game after going pistol all year. Ohio? Reaction to circumstances, ability to adjust?


Anyone who has said anything about Daz being NFL material has no credibility, should cease posting. Beside NFL rosters too short to have one guy exclusively as a returner (unless he's HOF quality), the Louisville punt returner got about 45 or so yards on two first half punt returns. Clearly electric in a way Daz is not.

I'm glad Daz is OHIO. But recognition of what goes in football is necessary. (I apologize for bringing this M.O. fact to many of you during the holiday season.)
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allen
12/30/2015 8:50 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
And a beautiful campus may be great with a Volleyball recruit or Women's basketball player, but it does little in the men's sports.
Disagree. Watch the ESPN 30 for 30 on Coach McCartney at Colorado....

He recruited a ton of kids from inner city LA (Compton, South Central, etc) and everyone of them said that the campus at Boulder was a huge selling point.

I think getting a kid to Athens makes an impression

They were also mostly JUCO and troubled kids who many of which couldn't get into school anywhere else at that time. And I do not need to read Bill's book as I know both him and his son Mike who happens to be a very well respected NFL player agent.

So again, tell me why OHIO should always be the #2 choice for any kid in the state of Ohio? And why are you settling for #2? If you think a kid from Toledo should pick us over Michigan, why not pick us over OSU?

Endless excuses, when will they ever end? How many former coaches will get slandered? How many former athletes will be stereotyped? All of this to protect mediocrity, I used to and still find it weird that serial killers have groupies, so I ask myself why does this surprise me?
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bobcatsquared
12/30/2015 8:51 PM
Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
More prescient:

Anyone who has said anything about Daz being NFL material has no credibility, should cease posting.
Isn't that the same person who said last year that Brendan Cope was going to be an All-MAC, game-changing wide receiver for Ohio?
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allen
12/30/2015 8:59 PM
Brendan Cope would probably be All MAC if we had a consistent QB that could get him the ball. I think Smith and Reid are All MAC caliber as well if put in the right situations.
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Monroe Slavin
12/30/2015 9:25 PM
bobcatsquared wrote:expand_more
More prescient:

Anyone who has said anything about Daz being NFL material has no credibility, should cease posting.
Isn't that the same person who said last year that Brendan Cope was going to be an All-MAC, game-changing wide receiver for Ohio?
That was not me. In fact, it was someone who holds views quite contrary to mine.


When are you going to make a positive contribution to here?
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L.C.
12/30/2015 10:14 PM
allen wrote:expand_more
They get kids to visit, they have to close the deal. It is harder for older coaches to relate to younger kids. Ohio has the money, they have to have an attractive situation. Roger Lewis knew he would get the ball at BGSU. Solich has got players into the NFL and he needs to build on that.

Of the 100+ offers they send out each year, how many of those kids actually visit? My guess would be 30 or so. I'd also guess that of the 30 that visit, they end up getting verbals from perhaps 20 of them.
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OhioBobcat
12/30/2015 10:16 PM
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Like I said, we should be the second school of choice behind Ohio State. Toledo and BG have multiple MAC championships and we have a much better campus and much more to offer.
Second choice?? Why?? Because Ohio has a nicer looking campus? Further, I think Cincinnati would have something to say about that in terms of football. Frankly, Ohio's campus isn't going to hold water trying to compete head to head with more proven programs like UT and BG, or CMU and NIU for that matter. Those programs hold the hardware that Ohio struggles to achieve. UT and BG have won way more MAC Championships than Ohio has, Not just recently either, in the history of the league, and both have also appeared in and won more bowls than OU. A 17 or 18 year old kid that aspires to play college football is more likely going to lean towards a program with a proven track record over one with prettier buildings that hopes to do the same. If that were the case, Miami would be a title contender every year. But they're not. Far from it.
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OhioBobcat
12/30/2015 10:27 PM
bshot44 wrote:expand_more
And a beautiful campus may be great with a Volleyball recruit or Women's basketball player, but it does little in the men's sports.
Disagree. Watch the ESPN 30 for 30 on Coach McCartney at Colorado....

He recruited a ton of kids from inner city LA (Compton, South Central, etc) and everyone of them said that the campus at Boulder was a huge selling point.

I think getting a kid to Athens makes an impression
Boulder is beautiful, extremely beautiful actually. I've been there several times. It has a lot more to offer than Athens does and I like it way, way better. It's not even close. I find Athens charming, but let's not fool ourselves, there are some who can't stand Athens or Ohio based on its location. It can be very isolating and remote to some. Maybe not to you, but to others it can be. We may not think of it that way, but the fact of the matter is, some do.
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bshot44
12/30/2015 10:38 PM
OhioBobcat wrote:expand_more
And a beautiful campus may be great with a Volleyball recruit or Women's basketball player, but it does little in the men's sports.
Disagree. Watch the ESPN 30 for 30 on Coach McCartney at Colorado....

He recruited a ton of kids from inner city LA (Compton, South Central, etc) and everyone of them said that the campus at Boulder was a huge selling point.

I think getting a kid to Athens makes an impression
Boulder is beautiful, extremely beautiful actually. I've been there several times. It has a lot more to offer than Athens does and I like it way, way better. It's not even close. I find Athens charming, but let's not fool ourselves, there are some who can't stand Athens or Ohio based on its location. It can be very isolating and remote to some. Maybe not to you, but to others it can be. We may not think of it that way, but the fact of the matter is, some do.
That may be true. But have you been to Kent, Akron, Dekalb, Mt. Pleasant, Ypsilanti, Bowling Green? Athens has a helluva lot more to offer than those places. Our campus is the best, if not one of the best in the MAC
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bshot44
12/30/2015 10:42 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
And a beautiful campus may be great with a Volleyball recruit or Women's basketball player, but it does little in the men's sports.
Disagree. Watch the ESPN 30 for 30 on Coach McCartney at Colorado....

He recruited a ton of kids from inner city LA (Compton, South Central, etc) and everyone of them said that the campus at Boulder was a huge selling point.

I think getting a kid to Athens makes an impression

They were also mostly JUCO and troubled kids who many of which couldn't get into school anywhere else at that time. And I do not need to read Bill's book as I know both him and his son Mike who happens to be a very well respected NFL player agent.

So again, tell me why OHIO should always be the #2 choice for any kid in the state of Ohio? And why are you settling for #2? If you think a kid from Toledo should pick us over Michigan, why not pick us over OSU?
I wasn't saying Ohio was #2. Argue that with the person who made that comment.

I was contradicting your comment about how the campus doesn't matter to men's sports recruits

And they weren't JUCOs at CU...or kids that couldn't get in anywhere else. They were kids who were being recruited by Nebraska, Oklahoma and USC to name a few
Last Edited: 12/30/2015 10:44:31 PM by bshot44
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OhioBobcat
12/30/2015 10:52 PM
bshot44 wrote:expand_more
And a beautiful campus may be great with a Volleyball recruit or Women's basketball player, but it does little in the men's sports.
Disagree. Watch the ESPN 30 for 30 on Coach McCartney at Colorado....

He recruited a ton of kids from inner city LA (Compton, South Central, etc) and everyone of them said that the campus at Boulder was a huge selling point.

I think getting a kid to Athens makes an impression
Boulder is beautiful, extremely beautiful actually. I've been there several times. It has a lot more to offer than Athens does and I like it way, way better. It's not even close. I find Athens charming, but let's not fool ourselves, there are some who can't stand Athens or Ohio based on its location. It can be very isolating and remote to some. Maybe not to you, but to others it can be. We may not think of it that way, but the fact of the matter is, some do.
That may be true. But have you been to Kent, Akron, Dekalb, Mt. Pleasant, Ypsilanti, Bowling Green? Athens has a helluva lot more to offer than those places. Our campus is the best, if not one of the best in the MAC
Yes, I have been to each and every MAC campus and town/city on more than one occasion. And I do feel Athens is better and I agree with you that it's the best in the MAC. But it's all relative to what people want, like and look for. We may love it. Others may not. I have heard people call Athens a "shithole." I disagree with that but not everyone thinks it's some amazing place to be or live in for 4 years.
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bobcatsquared
12/30/2015 11:00 PM
Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
More prescient:

Anyone who has said anything about Daz being NFL material has no credibility, should cease posting.
Isn't that the same person who said last year that Brendan Cope was going to be an All-MAC, game-changing wide receiver for Ohio?
That was not me. In fact, it was someone who holds views quite contrary to mine.


When are you going to make a positive contribution to here?
I'm well aware it was your buddy OCF. Does that mean my contribution is a positive one?

It's amazing, Monroe, the quantity and variety of posters you go at it with on here.
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allen
12/30/2015 11:07 PM
OhioBobcat wrote:expand_more
And a beautiful campus may be great with a Volleyball recruit or Women's basketball player, but it does little in the men's sports.
Disagree. Watch the ESPN 30 for 30 on Coach McCartney at Colorado....

He recruited a ton of kids from inner city LA (Compton, South Central, etc) and everyone of them said that the campus at Boulder was a huge selling point.

I think getting a kid to Athens makes an impression
Boulder is beautiful, extremely beautiful actually. I've been there several times. It has a lot more to offer than Athens does and I like it way, way better. It's not even close. I find Athens charming, but let's not fool ourselves, there are some who can't stand Athens or Ohio based on its location. It can be very isolating and remote to some. Maybe not to you, but to others it can be. We may not think of it that way, but the fact of the matter is, some do.
That may be true. But have you been to Kent, Akron, Dekalb, Mt. Pleasant, Ypsilanti, Bowling Green? Athens has a helluva lot more to offer than those places. Our campus is the best, if not one of the best in the MAC
Yes, I have been to each and every MAC campus and town/city on more than one occasion. And I do feel Athens is better and I agree with you that it's the best in the MAC. But it's all relative to what people want, like and look for. We may love it. Others may not. I have heard people call Athens a "shithole." I disagree with that but not everyone thinks it's some amazing place to be or live in for 4 years.
A top 10 party school, with great academics and gorgeous females. Athens is one of a kind. The athletes are pretty much treated like royalty and the kids in the community look up to them.
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OhioBobcat
12/30/2015 11:16 PM
allen wrote:expand_more
And a beautiful campus may be great with a Volleyball recruit or Women's basketball player, but it does little in the men's sports.
Disagree. Watch the ESPN 30 for 30 on Coach McCartney at Colorado....

He recruited a ton of kids from inner city LA (Compton, South Central, etc) and everyone of them said that the campus at Boulder was a huge selling point.

I think getting a kid to Athens makes an impression
Boulder is beautiful, extremely beautiful actually. I've been there several times. It has a lot more to offer than Athens does and I like it way, way better. It's not even close. I find Athens charming, but let's not fool ourselves, there are some who can't stand Athens or Ohio based on its location. It can be very isolating and remote to some. Maybe not to you, but to others it can be. We may not think of it that way, but the fact of the matter is, some do.
That may be true. But have you been to Kent, Akron, Dekalb, Mt. Pleasant, Ypsilanti, Bowling Green? Athens has a helluva lot more to offer than those places. Our campus is the best, if not one of the best in the MAC
Yes, I have been to each and every MAC campus and town/city on more than one occasion. And I do feel Athens is better and I agree with you that it's the best in the MAC. But it's all relative to what people want, like and look for. We may love it. Others may not. I have heard people call Athens a "shithole." I disagree with that but not everyone thinks it's some amazing place to be or live in for 4 years.
A top 10 party school, with great academics and gorgeous females. Athens is one of a kind. The athletes are pretty much treated like royalty and the kids in the community look up to them.
If you think Athens is one of a kind because it features a good social scene, academics, girls and athletes are treated well, then you haven't been to many other places. I love Athens but man, some of you obviously live very sheltered lives and need to experience much more in life. It's Athens, Ohio for crying out loud.
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allen
12/30/2015 11:20 PM
OhioBobcat wrote:expand_more
And a beautiful campus may be great with a Volleyball recruit or Women's basketball player, but it does little in the men's sports.
Disagree. Watch the ESPN 30 for 30 on Coach McCartney at Colorado....

He recruited a ton of kids from inner city LA (Compton, South Central, etc) and everyone of them said that the campus at Boulder was a huge selling point.

I think getting a kid to Athens makes an impression
Boulder is beautiful, extremely beautiful actually. I've been there several times. It has a lot more to offer than Athens does and I like it way, way better. It's not even close. I find Athens charming, but let's not fool ourselves, there are some who can't stand Athens or Ohio based on its location. It can be very isolating and remote to some. Maybe not to you, but to others it can be. We may not think of it that way, but the fact of the matter is, some do.
That may be true. But have you been to Kent, Akron, Dekalb, Mt. Pleasant, Ypsilanti, Bowling Green? Athens has a helluva lot more to offer than those places. Our campus is the best, if not one of the best in the MAC
Yes, I have been to each and every MAC campus and town/city on more than one occasion. And I do feel Athens is better and I agree with you that it's the best in the MAC. But it's all relative to what people want, like and look for. We may love it. Others may not. I have heard people call Athens a "shithole." I disagree with that but not everyone thinks it's some amazing place to be or live in for 4 years.
A top 10 party school, with great academics and gorgeous females. Athens is one of a kind. The athletes are pretty much treated like royalty and the kids in the community look up to them.
If you think Athens is one of a kind because it features a good social scene, academics, girls and athletes are treated well, then you haven't been to many other places. I love Athens but man, some of you obviously live very sheltered lives and need to experience much more in life. It's Athens, Ohio for crying out loud.

How was it voted the number party school multiple times. By the way, I went to multiple schools. Athens is a great place.
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bshot44
12/30/2015 11:23 PM
OhioBobcat wrote:expand_more
And a beautiful campus may be great with a Volleyball recruit or Women's basketball player, but it does little in the men's sports.
Disagree. Watch the ESPN 30 for 30 on Coach McCartney at Colorado....

He recruited a ton of kids from inner city LA (Compton, South Central, etc) and everyone of them said that the campus at Boulder was a huge selling point.

I think getting a kid to Athens makes an impression
Boulder is beautiful, extremely beautiful actually. I've been there several times. It has a lot more to offer than Athens does and I like it way, way better. It's not even close. I find Athens charming, but let's not fool ourselves, there are some who can't stand Athens or Ohio based on its location. It can be very isolating and remote to some. Maybe not to you, but to others it can be. We may not think of it that way, but the fact of the matter is, some do.
That may be true. But have you been to Kent, Akron, Dekalb, Mt. Pleasant, Ypsilanti, Bowling Green? Athens has a helluva lot more to offer than those places. Our campus is the best, if not one of the best in the MAC
Yes, I have been to each and every MAC campus and town/city on more than one occasion. And I do feel Athens is better and I agree with you that it's the best in the MAC. But it's all relative to what people want, like and look for. We may love it. Others may not. I have heard people call Athens a "shithole." I disagree with that but not everyone thinks it's some amazing place to be or live in for 4 years.
I totally agree with all that. Everyone has their preferences. The point of my original post was that the campus matters in the decision process to recruits in men's sports...good or bad. And I think Athens' campus (not necessarily the town) probably helps more than it hurts
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OhioCatFan
12/30/2015 11:38 PM
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. . . . It's Athens, Ohio for crying out loud.
What? Somebody thought it was Athens, W.Va., Athens, Tenn., Athens, Ala., or Athens, Ga.? ;-)
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allen
12/30/2015 11:46 PM
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. . . . It's Athens, Ohio for crying out loud.
What? Somebody thought it was Athens, W.Va., Athens, Tenn., Athens, Ala., or Athens, Ga.? ;-)
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TWT
12/31/2015 1:21 AM
OhioBobcat wrote:expand_more
And a beautiful campus may be great with a Volleyball recruit or Women's basketball player, but it does little in the men's sports.
Disagree. Watch the ESPN 30 for 30 on Coach McCartney at Colorado....

He recruited a ton of kids from inner city LA (Compton, South Central, etc) and everyone of them said that the campus at Boulder was a huge selling point.

I think getting a kid to Athens makes an impression
Boulder is beautiful, extremely beautiful actually. I've been there several times. It has a lot more to offer than Athens does and I like it way, way better. It's not even close. I find Athens charming, but let's not fool ourselves, there are some who can't stand Athens or Ohio based on its location. It can be very isolating and remote to some. Maybe not to you, but to others it can be. We may not think of it that way, but the fact of the matter is, some do.
I had a college roommate tell me one time that Athens was about as large of a city that he would like to live in. You've got to remember in the state of Ohio there is generally little to do. To have a Ruby Tuesday and Applebee's is big doings for a community in Ohio. Findlay is a well to do town of 60,000 and its dining options are comparable. Athens night life and outdoor recreation is superior. Findlay is better in the hotels department with a Hilton Garden Inn because its on I-75 and a new 5 star going up downtown. Both towns have a new Texas Roadhouse and a few locally owned restaurants downtown. Both are considered exceptional communities for their regions. My point is Athens compares favorably to other locals in Ohio on consumer options. The caliber of entertainment and cultural activities in Athens are only found in the biggest cities in the state. To be a student in Athens is comparable to living in a hip neighborhood in Cleveland.
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TWT
12/31/2015 2:24 AM
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Like I said, we should be the second school of choice behind Ohio State. Toledo and BG have multiple MAC championships and we have a much better campus and much more to offer.
Second choice?? Why?? Because Ohio has a nicer looking campus? Further, I think Cincinnati would have something to say about that in terms of football. Frankly, Ohio's campus isn't going to hold water trying to compete head to head with more proven programs like UT and BG, or CMU and NIU for that matter. Those programs hold the hardware that Ohio struggles to achieve. UT and BG have won way more MAC Championships than Ohio has, Not just recently either, in the history of the league, and both have also appeared in and won more bowls than OU. A 17 or 18 year old kid that aspires to play college football is more likely going to lean towards a program with a proven track record over one with prettier buildings that hopes to do the same. If that were the case, Miami would be a title contender every year. But they're not. Far from it.
Ohio has an edge in recruiting football players 1 hour from Columbus and 2 from Cincinnati the hotbeds of the state. Ohio has the best climate in the MAC and is the closest MAC school to the Georgia and Florida pipelines. The challenge is more getting local recruits to stay instate over a Kentucky or Pittsburgh with bigger stadiums. Boise State has 37,000 seats and that's close enough when recruiting against Oregon State or Utah. If Peden was 32,000 and draped in ribbon boards and well lit like Baylor I think it would seem more like the real deal. UT and BG have better stadiums than OU from a structural angle.
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TWT
12/31/2015 2:45 AM
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So again, tell me why OHIO should always be the #2 choice for any kid in the state of Ohio? And why are you settling for #2? If you think a kid from Toledo should pick us over Michigan, why not pick us over OSU?
For the same reason a kid would pick Baylor over Texas. RG3 played there. The OHIO program doesn't have a boundary but its a moot discussion until it produces MAC Championships. A realistic goal is to have what BG and NIU have with every year MAC title game appearances and championships every couple of years. Beyond that is access bowls and playoff spots by landing the next RG3. What Ohio has at the moment under Solich is barely cutting it for retaining its staff. Schaus scheduling and the tough Ohio footballer playing D are most of the edge cutting it, variables Frank is lucky to have.
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Mike Johnson
12/31/2015 9:14 AM
OhioBobcat wrote:expand_more
And a beautiful campus may be great with a Volleyball recruit or Women's basketball player, but it does little in the men's sports.
Disagree. Watch the ESPN 30 for 30 on Coach McCartney at Colorado....

He recruited a ton of kids from inner city LA (Compton, South Central, etc) and everyone of them said that the campus at Boulder was a huge selling point.

I think getting a kid to Athens makes an impression
Boulder is beautiful, extremely beautiful actually. I've been there several times. It has a lot more to offer than Athens does and I like it way, way better. It's not even close. I find Athens charming, but let's not fool ourselves, there are some who can't stand Athens or Ohio based on its location. It can be very isolating and remote to some. Maybe not to you, but to others it can be. We may not think of it that way, but the fact of the matter is, some do.
If I am recalling correctly, in the U.S. there are some 4,000 degree-granting colleges and universities - far, far more than any other nation. One reason for that large number, I believe, is the wide range of thinking among students and parents about what is desired in a collegiate setting.
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Mike Johnson
12/31/2015 9:16 AM
bshot44 wrote:expand_more
And a beautiful campus may be great with a Volleyball recruit or Women's basketball player, but it does little in the men's sports.
Disagree. Watch the ESPN 30 for 30 on Coach McCartney at Colorado....

He recruited a ton of kids from inner city LA (Compton, South Central, etc) and everyone of them said that the campus at Boulder was a huge selling point.

I think getting a kid to Athens makes an impression
Boulder is beautiful, extremely beautiful actually. I've been there several times. It has a lot more to offer than Athens does and I like it way, way better. It's not even close. I find Athens charming, but let's not fool ourselves, there are some who can't stand Athens or Ohio based on its location. It can be very isolating and remote to some. Maybe not to you, but to others it can be. We may not think of it that way, but the fact of the matter is, some do.
That may be true. But have you been to Kent, Akron, Dekalb, Mt. Pleasant, Ypsilanti, Bowling Green? Athens has a helluva lot more to offer than those places. Our campus is the best, if not one of the best in the MAC
From coast to coast I've walked at least 100 campuses. To me, Ohio ranks among the 5 prettiest. But then I'm fond of history, hills, trees, rivers, Georgian architecture - a "package" that, of course, does not appeal to all.
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Casper71
12/31/2015 7:22 PM
Athens is not the problem. The problem is continuing to recruit primarily two star and unrated guys with few other offers. Aim a bit higher and see what happens.
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