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mid70sbobcat
12/29/2015 4:09 PM
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I expect the best, that is why I am not celebrating a loss to App State. Challenge yourself and overcome that defeated mind-state and don't attack me for bringing the truth to the forefront.
The truth? App St is "garbage"??? At best that is an OPINION, and 99% of people with knowledge of App St, their schedule, their performance and college football in general would disagree with you.
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allen
12/29/2015 5:37 PM
mid70sbobcat wrote:expand_more
I expect the best, that is why I am not celebrating a loss to App State. Challenge yourself and overcome that defeated mind-state and don't attack me for bringing the truth to the forefront.
The truth? App St is "garbage"??? At best that is an OPINION, and 99% of people with knowledge of App St, their schedule, their performance and college football in general would disagree with you.

App State is not garbage, they are nowhere near a benchmark either. So endorsing their AD for president and this elevating them to the a top tier team is not warranted. I will say this about them, to be ranked in the top 25 in O and D means they were coached well and did what they were supposed to against their cupcake schedule. We can take that from them, but this team is new to the FBS and for them this year was somewhat of a success for them. We, on the other hand have been FBS since inception, we are in a fertile recruiting state and have big name coaches and a decent budget, we need to set our sights a little higher.
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Alan Swank
12/29/2015 6:35 PM
allen wrote:expand_more
I expect the best, that is why I am not celebrating a loss to App State. Challenge yourself and overcome that defeated mind-state and don't attack me for bringing the truth to the forefront.
The truth? App St is "garbage"??? At best that is an OPINION, and 99% of people with knowledge of App St, their schedule, their performance and college football in general would disagree with you.

App State is not garbage, they are nowhere near a benchmark either. So endorsing their AD for president and this elevating them to the a top tier team is not warranted. I will say this about them, to be ranked in the top 25 in O and D means they were coached well and did what they were supposed to against their cupcake schedule. We can take that from them, but this team is new to the FBS and for them this year was somewhat of a success for them. We, on the other hand have been FBS since inception, we are in a fertile recruiting state and have big name coaches and a decent budget, we need to set our sights a little higher.
So are they garbage or aren't they garbage? As for posting the letter from their AD, I thought it was an outstanding example of a very well written letter thanking their fans for their fantastic support and a very transparent one in terms of how much support those fans provided (7000 tickets). Again, nothing more or nothing less and certainly not an endorsement for his candidacy for anything.
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Monroe Slavin
12/29/2015 6:44 PM
mid70sbobcat wrote:expand_more
You seem to expect the worst, and no matter what the Bobcats do, it's never enough.
I think allen & Monroe are identical twins. Same mindset. Same complaints. Same repetitive drivel for weeks (months) on end.

The statement that App St was "garbage" greatly shows his knowledge (or lack thereof) re: college football.

I need you to start thinking, to start seeing reality. Any team that gets clunged like we did by WMU, Beefs and BG and then thinks it salvages something by victories over truly weak kents and Ball and not then very good NIU--hey, we're playing for some sort of weird moral victories! We accept losses.

Don't be like LC, accepting BG as a good performance.


Because you get what you allow....So, stop allowing no MACC in 11 years and years of stunning mid-season losses.
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Alan Swank
12/29/2015 7:30 PM
Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
You seem to expect the worst, and no matter what the Bobcats do, it's never enough.
I think allen & Monroe are identical twins. Same mindset. Same complaints. Same repetitive drivel for weeks (months) on end.

The statement that App St was "garbage" greatly shows his knowledge (or lack thereof) re: college football.

I need you to start thinking, to start seeing reality. Any team that gets clunged like we did by WMU, Beefs and BG and then thinks it salvages something by victories over truly weak kents and Ball and not then very good NIU--hey, we're playing for some sort of weird moral victories! We accept losses.

Don't be like LC, accepting BG as a good performance.


Because you get what you allow....So, stop allowing no MACC in 11 years and years of stunning mid-season losses.
Monroe, with all due respect, we get it. But even for a fiscally conservative sometimes/usually Democrat like me, I may need to tape a quarter to my tone arm so your posts quit repeating themselves. Let's agree to a pact to find a new song to play. The Dark Side of the Moon has set.
Last Edited: 12/29/2015 7:47:30 PM by Alan Swank
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allen
12/29/2015 8:14 PM
Sorry for again ruining your weird moral victory, I am just trying to bring you back to reality.
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Mark Lembright '85
12/29/2015 8:48 PM
Allen, let me turn the tables on you and ask you, why do you think Ohio is so special? Seems to me, fans of App. State could say the same about Ohio, that it's a minor-at-best football school and that they should beat us like a redheaded stepsister. Ohio has no history of being a major player on the big time college football scene; its stadium is minute, old and very outdated (and quite frankly should be torn down), the IPF is barebones compared to most other programs, and for most of its history it has stunk at football. Given that, why should Ohio be considered so superior over App. State, because I just don't see it. I've said it before and I'll say it again, Ohio is smalltime when it comes to major college football (not there's anything wrong with that).
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allen
12/29/2015 8:55 PM
Mark Lembright '85 wrote:expand_more
Allen, let me turn the tables on you and ask you, why do you think Ohio is so special? Seems to me, fans of App. State could say the same about Ohio, that it's a minor-at-best football school and that they should beat us like a redheaded stepsister. Ohio has no history of being a major player on the big time college football scene; its stadium is minute, old and very outdated (and quite frankly should be torn down), the IPF is barebones compared to most other programs, and for most of its history it has stunk at football. Given that, why should Ohio be considered so superior over App. State, because I just don't see it. I've said it before and I'll say it again, Ohio is smalltime when it comes to major college football (not there's anything wrong with that).
Ohio has great academics, a great campus and great people. Football wise, Ohio is one of the most fertile states. We should be the second school of choice in Ohio for anybody wanting to play football. I also like the fact that we have a coach that played at a high level and coached in a National Championship game. I love Ohio, I am a bobcat thru and thru.
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Mark Lembright '85
12/29/2015 9:02 PM
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Allen, let me turn the tables on you and ask you, why do you think Ohio is so special? Seems to me, fans of App. State could say the same about Ohio, that it's a minor-at-best football school and that they should beat us like a redheaded stepsister. Ohio has no history of being a major player on the big time college football scene; its stadium is minute, old and very outdated (and quite frankly should be torn down), the IPF is barebones compared to most other programs, and for most of its history it has stunk at football. Given that, why should Ohio be considered so superior over App. State, because I just don't see it. I've said it before and I'll say it again, Ohio is smalltime when it comes to major college football (not there's anything wrong with that).
Ohio has great academics, a great campus and great people. Football wise, Ohio is one of the most fertile states. We should be the second school of choice in Ohio for anybody wanting to play football. I also like the fact that we have a coach that played at a high level and coached in a National Championship game. I love Ohio, I am a bobcat thru and thru.
I'm not talking about Ohio University as an institution, as we all know it's the greatest university on Earth (and there are currently 3 generations of Lembrights as alumni, so obviously we love the school). I'm talking about Ohio as a football program, and unfortunately nothing you've said demonstrates that Ohio University in and of itself is a football program vastly superior to Appalachian State, because it ain't.

Now basketball on the other hand is a much much different story.
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allen
12/29/2015 9:19 PM
Mark Lembright '85 wrote:expand_more
Allen, let me turn the tables on you and ask you, why do you think Ohio is so special? Seems to me, fans of App. State could say the same about Ohio, that it's a minor-at-best football school and that they should beat us like a redheaded stepsister. Ohio has no history of being a major player on the big time college football scene; its stadium is minute, old and very outdated (and quite frankly should be torn down), the IPF is barebones compared to most other programs, and for most of its history it has stunk at football. Given that, why should Ohio be considered so superior over App. State, because I just don't see it. I've said it before and I'll say it again, Ohio is smalltime when it comes to major college football (not there's anything wrong with that).
Ohio has great academics, a great campus and great people. Football wise, Ohio is one of the most fertile states. We should be the second school of choice in Ohio for anybody wanting to play football. I also like the fact that we have a coach that played at a high level and coached in a National Championship game. I love Ohio, I am a bobcat thru and thru.
I'm not talking about Ohio University as an institution, as we all know it's the greatest university on Earth (and there are currently 3 generations of Lembrights as alumni, so obviously we love the school). I'm talking about Ohio as a football program, and unfortunately nothing you've said demonstrates that Ohio University in and of itself is a football program vastly superior to Appalachian State, because it ain't.

Now basketball on the other hand is a much much different story.

That would be your opinion which you had no intention on being moved off of your stance. God bless you and the Cats
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BillyTheCat
12/29/2015 9:33 PM
Allen, give some factual basis to support an opinion that you tout as a fact. Ohio is a great football state, however there are 7 DI schools in Ohio playing football, and after OSU, every school in the Big10 and ND get the 1a/1b players, leaving the other 6 Ohio schools falling all over ourselves for the same kids.
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Mark Lembright '85
12/29/2015 9:59 PM
allen wrote:expand_more
Allen, let me turn the tables on you and ask you, why do you think Ohio is so special? Seems to me, fans of App. State could say the same about Ohio, that it's a minor-at-best football school and that they should beat us like a redheaded stepsister. Ohio has no history of being a major player on the big time college football scene; its stadium is minute, old and very outdated (and quite frankly should be torn down), the IPF is barebones compared to most other programs, and for most of its history it has stunk at football. Given that, why should Ohio be considered so superior over App. State, because I just don't see it. I've said it before and I'll say it again, Ohio is smalltime when it comes to major college football (not there's anything wrong with that).
Ohio has great academics, a great campus and great people. Football wise, Ohio is one of the most fertile states. We should be the second school of choice in Ohio for anybody wanting to play football. I also like the fact that we have a coach that played at a high level and coached in a National Championship game. I love Ohio, I am a bobcat thru and thru.
I'm not talking about Ohio University as an institution, as we all know it's the greatest university on Earth (and there are currently 3 generations of Lembrights as alumni, so obviously we love the school). I'm talking about Ohio as a football program, and unfortunately nothing you've said demonstrates that Ohio University in and of itself is a football program vastly superior to Appalachian State, because it ain't.

Now basketball on the other hand is a much much different story.

That would be your opinion which you had no intention on being moved off of your stance. God bless you and the Cats
Isn't this messageboard nothing but opinion? :)

And thank you for the blessing. I note you too have no intention of being moved off your stance. ;). And that's OK-as for me, I truly enjoy and love Ohio football whose marching band KICKS ASS! But there are many programs just as good or better.
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allen
12/29/2015 10:02 PM
I am getting hit with the mediocre right and left hooks, but I will not fall.
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BillyTheCat
12/29/2015 10:24 PM
allen wrote:expand_more
I am getting hit with the mediocre right and left hooks, but I will not fall.


You are too stupid to fall
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allen
12/29/2015 11:03 PM
I have too much drive, I am not a loser. I won't let them put me in a mediocrity box. The y want me to pitch in for some participation trophies for college athletes.
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L.C.
12/29/2015 11:05 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
Allen, give some factual basis to support an opinion that you tout as a fact. Ohio is a great football state, however there are 7 DI schools in Ohio playing football, and after OSU, every school in the Big10 and ND get the 1a/1b players, leaving the other 6 Ohio schools falling all over ourselves for the same kids.

Which, in my opinion, is why NIU has been the dominant school in the MAC in recent years. There are more recruits from Ohio, but more schools recruiting Ohio, while NIU doesn't have a lot of G5 competition in lesser recruiting states like Iowa, Minnesota, Illinois, and Wisconsin.

Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
...Don't be like LC, accepting BG as a good performance.
...

Monroe, I didn't say BG was overall a good performance, however I did see some good things against BG. The offensive line re-asserted itself in the BG game, which set the tone for the rest of the season. If the Offensive line had played that well against Buffalo, Ohio would have beaten Buffalo.

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No one is celebrating a loss to App State. What many are acknowledging is that we lost to a good team - nothing less and nothing more. For what's it worth, Sagrin has App State at 60 and us at 94.
Exactly right, Alan. I said it before the game, and I said it after the game. App State was a good team. At the very least they were comparable to a top MAC team. They did beat Georgia Southern, who crushed both BG and WMU.
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allen
12/29/2015 11:09 PM
They also lost to Georgia State, they beat one team and they are comparable to a top MAC team. Toledo will finish the year ranked.
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Deciduous Forest Cat
12/30/2015 10:34 AM
Mark Lembright '85 wrote:expand_more
Allen, let me turn the tables on you and ask you, why do you think Ohio is so special? Seems to me, fans of App. State could say the same about Ohio, that it's a minor-at-best football school and that they should beat us like a redheaded stepsister. Ohio has no history of being a major player on the big time college football scene; its stadium is minute, old and very outdated (and quite frankly should be torn down), the IPF is barebones compared to most other programs, and for most of its history it has stunk at football. Given that, why should Ohio be considered so superior over App. State, because I just don't see it. I've said it before and I'll say it again, Ohio is smalltime when it comes to major college football (not there's anything wrong with that).
Ohio has great academics, a great campus and great people. Football wise, Ohio is one of the most fertile states. We should be the second school of choice in Ohio for anybody wanting to play football. I also like the fact that we have a coach that played at a high level and coached in a National Championship game. I love Ohio, I am a bobcat thru and thru.
I'm not talking about Ohio University as an institution, as we all know it's the greatest university on Earth (and there are currently 3 generations of Lembrights as alumni, so obviously we love the school). I'm talking about Ohio as a football program, and unfortunately nothing you've said demonstrates that Ohio University in and of itself is a football program vastly superior to Appalachian State, because it ain't.

Now basketball on the other hand is a much much different story.
Our fertile recruiting ground is completely negated by the fact that we share a state with 7 other D1 schools, not to mention about 12 other d1 schools within 90 minutes of our border.

Edit: I see Billy the Cat already touched on this.
Last Edited: 12/30/2015 10:36:09 AM by Deciduous Forest Cat
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allen
12/30/2015 11:08 AM
Like I said, we should be the second school of choice behind Ohio State. Toledo and BG have multiple MAC championships and we have a much better campus and much more to offer. Just not ready to be excited about being the middle of the pack. Why suit up if you don't believe you can win?
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BillyTheCat
12/30/2015 1:11 PM
allen wrote:expand_more
Like I said, we should be the second school of choice behind Ohio State. Toledo and BG have multiple MAC championships and we have a much better campus and much more to offer. Just not ready to be excited about being the middle of the pack. Why suit up if you don't believe you can win?
On what basis do you feel we should automatically be #2? Michigan, Penn State, Notre Dame, UC, Louisville, WVU, and even IU all would probably not agree with you on this. And a beautiful campus may be great with a Volleyball recruit or Women's basketball player, but it does little in the men's sports.
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bshot44
12/30/2015 1:17 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
And a beautiful campus may be great with a Volleyball recruit or Women's basketball player, but it does little in the men's sports.
Disagree. Watch the ESPN 30 for 30 on Coach McCartney at Colorado....

He recruited a ton of kids from inner city LA (Compton, South Central, etc) and everyone of them said that the campus at Boulder was a huge selling point.

I think getting a kid to Athens makes an impression
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Alan Swank
12/30/2015 3:18 PM
bshot44 wrote:expand_more
And a beautiful campus may be great with a Volleyball recruit or Women's basketball player, but it does little in the men's sports.
Disagree. Watch the ESPN 30 for 30 on Coach McCartney at Colorado....

He recruited a ton of kids from inner city LA (Compton, South Central, etc) and everyone of them said that the campus at Boulder was a huge selling point.

I think getting a kid to Athens makes an impression
I can't think of too many campuses that wouldn't be a selling point if you're coming out of Compton.
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allen
12/30/2015 3:26 PM
Coach McCartney was a transformational leader, the kids loved him. I am from Cleveland and loved Athens, most people do. It is a college town, the athletes had a ball. It is a great place to come and play football. Athens does not hurt our recruiting efforts, players from the 90's still come back to Athens and hang out. I remember, I was RA in Boyd and Gary Trent came back. The Athens excuse is not valid, not at all. You don't see the Travis Carrie's or Crutch's transferring out of Ohio.
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L.C.
12/30/2015 6:14 PM
The question I have always wondered is why Ohio has had such a hard time getting potential recruits to visit. If Athens hurts, it hurts in the sense that it is out of the way, and the kids don't visit, not that they don't like what they find if they do visit.

Alternatively, maybe it's a budgetary issue, where Ohio doesn't have the money to pay for everyone to visit. If that's the case, Athens may hurt in the sense that a visit to Athens is more expensive because it's so far from an airport.
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allen
12/30/2015 6:39 PM
They get kids to visit, they have to close the deal. It is harder for older coaches to relate to younger kids. Ohio has the money, they have to have an attractive situation. Roger Lewis knew he would get the ball at BGSU. Solich has got players into the NFL and he needs to build on that.
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