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BillyTheCat
12/31/2015 7:27 PM
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And a beautiful campus may be great with a Volleyball recruit or Women's basketball player, but it does little in the men's sports.
Disagree. Watch the ESPN 30 for 30 on Coach McCartney at Colorado....

He recruited a ton of kids from inner city LA (Compton, South Central, etc) and everyone of them said that the campus at Boulder was a huge selling point.

I think getting a kid to Athens makes an impression

They were also mostly JUCO and troubled kids who many of which couldn't get into school anywhere else at that time. And I do not need to read Bill's book as I know both him and his son Mike who happens to be a very well respected NFL player agent.

So again, tell me why OHIO should always be the #2 choice for any kid in the state of Ohio? And why are you settling for #2? If you think a kid from Toledo should pick us over Michigan, why not pick us over OSU?

Endless excuses, when will they ever end? How many former coaches will get slandered? How many former athletes will be stereotyped? All of this to protect mediocrity, I used to and still find it weird that serial killers have groupies, so I ask myself why does this surprise me?

Seriously, you want to use Bill and the players he brought to Colorado? The guy had 51 NCAA violations under his watch and the program got slammed!! Maybe that is the reason that period was the highlight of CU football?

I've not slandered anyone, those are just simple facts! But you refuse to answer question after question, because you cannot bring a factually supported angle to your tirades.

So again, I will ask you to support your comment that OHIO should be a lock as the #2 choice for every kid in Ohio, and why NOT #1.
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allen
12/31/2015 7:31 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
And a beautiful campus may be great with a Volleyball recruit or Women's basketball player, but it does little in the men's sports.
Disagree. Watch the ESPN 30 for 30 on Coach McCartney at Colorado....

He recruited a ton of kids from inner city LA (Compton, South Central, etc) and everyone of them said that the campus at Boulder was a huge selling point.

I think getting a kid to Athens makes an impression

They were also mostly JUCO and troubled kids who many of which couldn't get into school anywhere else at that time. And I do not need to read Bill's book as I know both him and his son Mike who happens to be a very well respected NFL player agent.

So again, tell me why OHIO should always be the #2 choice for any kid in the state of Ohio? And why are you settling for #2? If you think a kid from Toledo should pick us over Michigan, why not pick us over OSU?

Endless excuses, when will they ever end? How many former coaches will get slandered? How many former athletes will be stereotyped? All of this to protect mediocrity, I used to and still find it weird that serial killers have groupies, so I ask myself why does this surprise me?

Seriously, you want to use Bill and the players he brought to Colorado? The guy had 51 NCAA violations under his watch and the program got slammed!! Maybe that is the reason that period was the highlight of CU football?

I've not slandered anyone, those are just simple facts! But you refuse to answer question after question, because you cannot bring a factually supported angle to your tirades.

So again, I will ask you to support your comment that OHIO should be a lock as the #2 choice for every kid in Ohio, and why NOT #1.

You are making this stuff up as you go along. He was a great leader. http://blogs.denverpost.com/colleges/2015/09/09/bill-mcca... /
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allen
12/31/2015 7:33 PM
McCartney won a number of national coaching awards in 1989 including the Eddie Robinson Coach of the Year award, the Walter Camp Coach of the Year Award and the Paul "Bear" Bryant Award. Three times, in 1985, 1989, and 1990, he was named the Big Eight Coach of the Year. McCartney was inducted into the Orange Bowl Hall of Fame in 1996 and the Colorado Sports Hall of Fame in 1999.
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BillyTheCat
12/31/2015 7:34 PM
You are delusional and in denial! Just because the man was strong in his Christian Faith, does NOT absolve him from his 51 NCAA violations.

And again, you fail to answer the question to support your comment, instead you get inflammatory. Bottom line Frank will be here next year unless it's by his choice, same with the staff, and I'll still support them, and sit back and laugh at your drivel!
Last Edited: 12/31/2015 7:41:38 PM by BillyTheCat
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allen
12/31/2015 7:43 PM
you don't make it to the Hall of Fame being sanctioned 51 times, maybe there were some minor violations, but he was a great coach, period, end of story. I think you took some drugs while washing FS' cars. Stay on the right path.
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BillyTheCat
12/31/2015 7:47 PM
Are you incapable of looking anything up? 51 violations and 2 years probation under his watch, that's a fact! And where did I question his ability to coach? I simply stated he got players Ohio could not get, and he broke quite a few rules in the process. And you still refuse to answer the question.
Last Edited: 12/31/2015 7:48:09 PM by BillyTheCat
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allen
12/31/2015 7:57 PM
Those drugs I tell you, stay away from them. I answered your question 20 times about the second option in the state. No probation under McCartney https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_McCartney
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BillyTheCat
12/31/2015 8:04 PM
The probation was handed down after McCartney. You are either not very good at research or just selective with it. Nice try though.


Funny, how you forget this black eye.


http://www.si.com/vault/1989/02/27/119469/what-price-glor...
Last Edited: 12/31/2015 8:05:32 PM by BillyTheCat
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allen
12/31/2015 8:08 PM
you need to cross reference your material, the article made reference to a nose tackle in the 70's that he could not have possibly recruited, he himself arriving in 1982.
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BillyTheCat
12/31/2015 8:12 PM
You cherry pick one person, classic. You ignore the rapist, the man who beat 3 different women and the list goes on. I understand, that's what you want in Athens, that's fine. Bottom line, he got kids to Boulder that OHIO could never get. Get over it, move on.
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allen
12/31/2015 8:18 PM
Last Edited: 12/31/2015 8:20:54 PM by allen
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allen
12/31/2015 8:20 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
You cherry pick one person, classic. You ignore the rapist, the man who beat 3 different women and the list goes on. I understand, that's what you want in Athens, that's fine. Bottom line, he got kids to Boulder that OHIO could never get. Get over it, move on.
They picked 15 kids out of thousands, they are guilty, you are guilty and so am I.
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L.C.
12/31/2015 8:37 PM
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Athens is not the problem. The problem is continuing to recruit primarily two star and unrated guys with few other offers. Aim a bit higher and see what happens.

I do agree, but the risk is what happened in QB recruiting this year. They aimed higher, and pretty much only offered 3-star and up players. The result - they didn't end up with any 2-star or unrated guys, but they also didn't end up with any 3-star guys, either, so, so far at least, they have no QB in this recruiting class.
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allen
12/31/2015 8:47 PM
L.C. wrote:expand_more
Athens is not the problem. The problem is continuing to recruit primarily two star and unrated guys with few other offers. Aim a bit higher and see what happens.

I do agree, but the risk is what happened in QB recruiting this year. They aimed higher, and pretty much only offered 3-star and up players. The result - they didn't end up with any 2-star or unrated guys, but they also didn't end up with any 3-star guys, either, so, so far at least, they have no QB in this recruiting class.
Is a QB essential to them for this class? I see offers but sometimes an offer is just an offer. Are they really looking for a QB in this class? We have a very attractive situation for an incoming QB in my opinion.
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OhioCatFan
12/31/2015 9:49 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
The probation was handed down after McCartney. You are either not very good at research or just selective with it. Nice try though.


Funny, how you forget this black eye.


http://www.si.com/vault/1989/02/27/119469/what-price-glor...
allen, BTC is correct here. There were serious problems under McCartney's watch at Colorado. I personally think that McCartney was trying his level best and that he is a basically honest man. I think in some ways he was a little naive at one point in his career and he kind of lost control. For the record, I was an early member of his Promise Keepers movement and attended the big March on Washington that he put together and that is to date still the largest gathering on the Mall, according to DC Police estimates. I only say this because it shows that while I'm prone to like the guy, I'm objective enough to see his human faults and acknowledge his weaknesses.
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allen
12/31/2015 11:11 PM
We have had 15 players get in trouble over a 12 year period. Neuheisel was the one who got the sanctions. I agree that McCartney had players that got in trouble, the sanctions however I cannot find. http://www.onlineuniversities.com/blog/2010/04/top-10-coa... /
http://www.seattlepi.com/news/article/NCAA-slaps-Neuheise...
Last Edited: 12/31/2015 11:12:31 PM by allen
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allen
12/31/2015 11:13 PM
OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
The probation was handed down after McCartney. You are either not very good at research or just selective with it. Nice try though.


Funny, how you forget this black eye.


http://www.si.com/vault/1989/02/27/119469/what-price-glor...
allen, BTC is correct here. There were serious problems under McCartney's watch at Colorado. I personally think that McCartney was trying his level best and that he is a basically honest man. I think in some ways he was a little naive at one point in his career and he kind of lost control. For the record, I was an early member of his Promise Keepers movement and attended the big March on Washington that he put together and that is to date still the largest gathering on the Mall, according to DC Police estimates. I only say this because it shows that while I'm prone to like the guy, I'm objective enough to see his human faults and acknowledge his weaknesses.

I hear you OhioCatFan
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Casper71
1/1/2016 3:49 PM
LC, then I say try harder. All you need is one three star guy at QB every three or four years and you can be set.
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allen
1/1/2016 3:55 PM
Casper71 wrote:expand_more
LC, then I say try harder. All you need is one three star guy at QB every three or four years and you can be set.

+1
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OhioBobcat
1/1/2016 10:15 PM
Mike Johnson wrote:expand_more
And a beautiful campus may be great with a Volleyball recruit or Women's basketball player, but it does little in the men's sports.
Disagree. Watch the ESPN 30 for 30 on Coach McCartney at Colorado....

He recruited a ton of kids from inner city LA (Compton, South Central, etc) and everyone of them said that the campus at Boulder was a huge selling point.

I think getting a kid to Athens makes an impression
Boulder is beautiful, extremely beautiful actually. I've been there several times. It has a lot more to offer than Athens does and I like it way, way better. It's not even close. I find Athens charming, but let's not fool ourselves, there are some who can't stand Athens or Ohio based on its location. It can be very isolating and remote to some. Maybe not to you, but to others it can be. We may not think of it that way, but the fact of the matter is, some do.
That may be true. But have you been to Kent, Akron, Dekalb, Mt. Pleasant, Ypsilanti, Bowling Green? Athens has a helluva lot more to offer than those places. Our campus is the best, if not one of the best in the MAC
From coast to coast I've walked at least 100 campuses. To me, Ohio ranks among the 5 prettiest. But then I'm fond of history, hills, trees, rivers, Georgian architecture - a "package" that, of course, does not appeal to all.
I too have been to well over 100 universities, many of them through work which affords me plenty of time to spend on campus. I am also fond of the same things you pointed out, but no way IMO is Ohio in the top 5 prettiest. I would however say it's in the top third of what I have seen though, which would still rank it pretty high. I don't know how anyone could ever think Ohio is ugly, though I'm sure some do. But to each his own.
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giacomo
1/2/2016 11:55 AM
I always wonder about our fascination for predictions. In my opinion the season unfolds as it should and provides plenty of drama for those who are interested. Outside of the gambling angle, I don't understand it. It's at the point that if you win but were not predicted to win, it's not as satisfying.
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Alan Swank
1/2/2016 12:59 PM
OhioBobcat wrote:expand_more
And a beautiful campus may be great with a Volleyball recruit or Women's basketball player, but it does little in the men's sports.
Disagree. Watch the ESPN 30 for 30 on Coach McCartney at Colorado....

He recruited a ton of kids from inner city LA (Compton, South Central, etc) and everyone of them said that the campus at Boulder was a huge selling point.

I think getting a kid to Athens makes an impression
Boulder is beautiful, extremely beautiful actually. I've been there several times. It has a lot more to offer than Athens does and I like it way, way better. It's not even close. I find Athens charming, but let's not fool ourselves, there are some who can't stand Athens or Ohio based on its location. It can be very isolating and remote to some. Maybe not to you, but to others it can be. We may not think of it that way, but the fact of the matter is, some do.
That may be true. But have you been to Kent, Akron, Dekalb, Mt. Pleasant, Ypsilanti, Bowling Green? Athens has a helluva lot more to offer than those places. Our campus is the best, if not one of the best in the MAC
From coast to coast I've walked at least 100 campuses. To me, Ohio ranks among the 5 prettiest. But then I'm fond of history, hills, trees, rivers, Georgian architecture - a "package" that, of course, does not appeal to all.
I too have been to well over 100 universities, many of them through work which affords me plenty of time to spend on campus. I am also fond of the same things you pointed out, but no way IMO is Ohio in the top 5 prettiest. I would however say it's in the top third of what I have seen though, which would still rank it pretty high. I don't know how anyone could ever think Ohio is ugly, though I'm sure some do. But to each his own.
I'll jump in on this one too being a regular visitor on many campuses. It all depends what you consider prettiest. If you're talking landscaped - High Point University is hands down number one east of the Mississippi. Amherst is pretty darn nice too from a traditional campus look like we have at OU. And of course there's UVA. Here's a link to one list:

http://www.bestcollegereviews.org/features/most-beautiful... /
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Mike Johnson
1/2/2016 3:48 PM
I think even the most opinionated BAers will agree that assessing beauty is one of life's more subjective exercises.

In reviewing the link Alan provided, I was pleased and not surprised to see Ohio and Stanford among the 100 ranking. Certainly UVA and Wm & Mary make my top 5 prettiest. So does Idaho. Idaho? I like the way some of its brick buildings are perched high on hill sides, affording lovely vistas. Ready for a surprise? Harvard doesn't crack my top 5. Yes, Harvard Yard shouts history and I love all the red brick and trees. But some ill-advised Harvard exec okay'd paving the Yard's crisscrossing walkways with black top. UGH!
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BillyTheCat
1/2/2016 4:51 PM
My original post, which seems to have started this, so I'll bring it back around. A pretty campus is less to do with recruiting in football and basketball.
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OhioBobcat
1/2/2016 10:17 PM
Mike Johnson wrote:expand_more
I think even the most opinionated BAers will agree that assessing beauty is one of life's more subjective exercises.

In reviewing the link Alan provided, I was pleased and not surprised to see Ohio and Stanford among the 100 ranking. Certainly UVA and Wm & Mary make my top 5 prettiest. So does Idaho. Idaho? I like the way some of its brick buildings are perched high on hill sides, affording lovely vistas. Ready for a surprise? Harvard doesn't crack my top 5. Yes, Harvard Yard shouts history and I love all the red brick and trees. But some ill-advised Harvard exec okay'd paving the Yard's crisscrossing walkways with black top. UGH!
I agree about UVa, for sure in my Top-10, maybe even Top-5. But that list posted above lost a lot of credibility for two reasons. One, no way is Cincinnati more beautiful than Ohio. Sorry, there's just no arguing about that one either. And two, no way is Houston in the Top-100.
Last Edited: 1/2/2016 10:18:18 PM by OhioBobcat
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