Yes, there are lots of things to be happy about. Now, Casper71, try starting a thread about any one of them and see how long it takes for it to be hijacked. Poor Monroe, riiight. Give it a try.

That's a flat out lie, Monroe. Doesn't square with your behavior over the past year or so. You are singularly focused on that one goal. And that's what is most disturbing.

RP,
You played soccer at OU? I'm curious when that program ended. I saw an aerial photo of Peden not too long ago from 1968 and there was a full soccer field right next to it, where the indoor facility is now. That caught my attention, and is certainly a better spot than where it is now.

Much discussion (too much) has been applied to the three losses this past year by 27+ points. In looking at our schedule, I found it interesting that we sandwiched those losses with wins of 27+ points. We also added in another win of 17+. Very up and down/hot and cold. Something that you often find with young teams. Made me want to take a look at the blow out/blown out results of the conference.

I used 17 as the blow out/blown out point. Arbitrary (as is 27), but I based it on a general perspective that a 3 score win is dominant and after reaching a 3 score deficit, offenses often change their approach in order to try to stay in the game. That said, I acknowledge 17 is arbitrary. So looking at conference games only:

Ohio 6 games total - 3 wins, 3 losses. Interesting points, 1 loss was to BG which had 6 wins by 17 or more, 1 loss was to WMU that had 4 such wins. The Buffulo loss was the real egg. Same distinction can be made for the wins (BSU loss 4 by 17+, Kent 4, Miami 3).

Ohio 6 games total - 3 wins, 3 losses
Others:
Akron 4 games total - 3 wins, 1 loss
BGSU 6 games total - 6 wins, 0 losses (did lose to Toledo by 16)
Kent 4 games total - 0 wins, 4 losses
Buffs 3 games total - 1 win , 2 losses
Miami 3 games total - 0 wins, 3 losses
UMASS 2 games total - 0 wins, 2 losses
BSU 4 games total - 0 wins, 4 losses
WMU 4 games total - 4 wins, 0 losses
CMU 1 game total - 1 wins, 0 losses
EMU 4 games total - 0 wins, 4 losses
NIU 4 games total - 3 wins, 1 loss
Tol 3 games total - 3 wins, 0 losses

Conclude what you wish. My thinking is we got smoked by two really good teams. Teams that smoked many of their opponents. We also were able to get on top of teams. Something that NIU and Toledo also did (though they generally did not get smoked). The Buffalo game is the WTF game.

Interesting that no other team had the extremes we did. I'll defer to excat and others that played the game for us, but high peaks and low lows are often realized by young teams. A year under their belts - will be interesting and fun to see how next year unfolds.

To end this ridiculous conversation, COACH SOLICH AND STAFF WILL NOT BE FIRED FROM OHIO UNIVERSITY PERIOD. COACH SOLICH will retire from OHIO when he desires to do so. AD Schaus if around, will then hire the next FB Coach and Monroe can either get on the bandwagon or just disappear.

Robert we don't all have the ambition of a travel dog bag visionary. It's to be expected that a man of this pedigree needs more from this world than us simpletons are willing to accept.

Folks like you and me trying to make the best of a frustrating situation have cost the university dearly (countless MACCs have been flushed down the drain because members of this message board like you and me just don't understand the complicated ways of the world).

bshot is just using a different measure than I am. He's looking at the total uppperclassmen on the roster, while I was primarily looking at the starters.

Not accepting literal reality and moving forward is mediocre.

The stats and the broad overreaching conclusions they allegedly support is a fugazi.

The losses and the hall of fame coach under contract who does not value your opinion and will not be terminated is reality.

I'm disappointed about the blowouts since 2012. After purchasing season tickets in 2013 I did not purchase season tickets in 2014 or 2015. I could've scrapped together the $100 both seasons if the product on the field wasn't one-part uninspiring opponent, one-part uninspiring play.

It is what it is.

But these manipulated crack of s#!% stats ("facts.") allegedly supporting these overreaching conclusions ("facts.") are more pathetic than any performance I've seen on the field in all my time as an Ohio sports fan.

Why come no one's started a thread about the distinctly positive facts? (distinct; not run of the mill, not to be expected)

Fox, Robert--I've repeatedly said that Solich appears to be a fine man who runs a clean program. My criteria, unlike the SFB, is not to employ Solich and staff. It's winning a MAC. If Solich can do that, so be it. But I've lost faith as the facts have accumulated. I criticize by name because, surprisingly, Solich is the head coach. He knows that with the job and the big pay comes the analysis of the performance.

This has only to do with Solich in that I criticize the coaching and he's the coach. It is in no way a vendetta against Solich in and of himself.

It's critical to react to changed info. The SFB, blinded by allegiance, do not. No one's ever refuted my claim to having once been the biggest Solich honk on this board, with my opinion only changing about a dozen games after the loss to Miami after the 2012 7-0 start...and continuing with the new data of so many crashing losses and no MAC title.

Meeting minimal standards. such as running a clean program, is not performance enough. With the job responsib and high pay comes the obligation to win, not to 12 crashing (avg 27 points) double digit losses in years 9-11 of tenure.

If running a clean program and the like were enough, Knorr probably shouldn't have been fired.

Answer the question: When it comes time to hire he next coach, will you be happy if he or she lost 12 double digit games by avg of 27 in his last three years as head coach?

Don't be blinded by allegiance. Analyze reasonably objectively.


Party on.

I like Situation. He speaks a language that's somewhat similar to English!




RFox: The thought that after no MAC title for almost 50 years, we'll immediately demand more (top 25 or whatever) is absurd...and doesn't excuse Fact.

That is so much gar-bage.

I started this thread to point out a fact. Something that no one can dispute. The import of the fact can be disputed, but not the fact itself.

I started it because the 12 double digits by avg 27 was something I found in the course of a pm discussion with another poster--and it kinda shocked me that we've been getting shellacked so badly so often.

So, I did post it to bring facts to the attention of those who think that we don't have a problem.

But I did not post in reaction to anyone else's post or thread.

And Facts are not "blind speculation."




Plus, aren't we all having the fun here?!

Good call!