Are you complaining about someone else complaining about the conscious manipulation and misrepresentation of data?

Do you think this frustration is unjustified?

Or at least can you just accept the fact already that my measurements show that the Earth is flat?

What I find intriguing is that Monroe and some others want Solich gone because we haven't reach the "next level". Hate to burst their bubbles but there is no guarantee we will ever get to the next level. Hiring a new guy we could regress (i.e. Knorr after Grobe). Next, this is the MAC and there is no guarantee any team will get to the next level and remain there.

If Frank were putting up losing records the past few years then I would be hoping for a change. But he's not ....

Thinking about writing a Life of Brian sequel. It's about football fans this time.

And it's become rather apparent from the pm's which I'm sent which contain 'inside' info that the SFB crowd is in some way tied to Athletics, has interests that many are not disclosing.


That interest is such that there's a core...and it's evident who they are..who want Solich here no matter what, will defend the record no matter what.

That is not objective.

(I know--a lightning bolt along the lines of 'the next coach may be worse.')


Others may disagree, but to me it's pretty weak to post here without disclosing bias or potential bias.


If such bias exists and you aren't going to disclose it, have the character to just not post.

I guess it's reached a point where I have to ask a very basic question of you Monroe? Can you READ??

I CLEARLY stated if Frank had regressed to having losing seasons he should be replaced. Can't be more more explicit than that.

And actually the only one bringing "garbage" is you Monroe. I'm convinced you will never admit to ever being wrong about anything. You continued attempt to grab at biased subsets of data merely reinforce you don't know the first thing about Stats and analyzing data. But keep beating that dead horse; keep focused on those 12 games and that 27 point differential. I know Schaus, McDavis and Frank are having sleepless nights these past few years. Excat21 stated that under Frank, the team moves on to the NEXT game after the prior game is in the books, win or lose. I stated something similar to you last week. Why is it that YOU obsess over the past? Further, why do YOU obsess over no MACC? That single facet does NOT define success or failure of a football program. I guess you'd be happier if Frank won one MACC and went 2-12 every other year. That seems to be the direction you're heading in.

This is a very sensible post

Damn, I go to the mountains for a long weekend and someone lets the yippers and yakkers out of their kennel. Now why would someone do that? At least Excat21 has joined the board and provides personal experience, insight and game intelligence to the conversation. Something so often lacking in the yipping and yakking.

We should be even better than NIU, because Ohio as a state has much better high school football. We also have a coach that coached in a National Championship game, we have to win in the living room.

Casper71--Thanks. I get the piling on now. It's the SFB absolutely in any way refusing to believe that the current staff is less than perfect. Now that I understand that many of the SFB are not impartial, are in some way tied to Athletics, I understand their fury.

Because the SFB aren't explict about their bias. Only in the last day or so did I realize that their pm's to me fairly often give 'inside' info which appears to come from their attachment to the department.

We'll see if any of them deny that.


For the SFB, being really angry at me is a lot easier than being reasonably objective.

I was so wrong. You are right Monroe. How could I have overlooked the bias of the SFB? I've seen the light now. I want Frank Solich terminated immediately, so as the new head coach can get on the recruiting trail immediately.

(clicks refresh on the Ohio Bobcats football wikipedia page)
(still no new MAC Championships)

In Urban Slang it's called being "monroed"

You are correct to not take it personally, it is just how he tries to argue and win a point.

The title of the thread is "fact" - so hear are some other facts. 90%+ of the poster on this board would either strongly agree or completely agree with the following statements:

The hiring of Frank was a great, even incredible hire. He took us from the dirt and made Ohio a relevant, recognized program.

The glaring missing piece is a MACC - close a few years ago - would be interesting what angst would exist if that team had held the halftime lead. This missing piece is more prized by some - but certainly prized by all.

Frank's teams have represented the University well both on and off the field.

The progress on the field made over the initial 7-8 years has stalled the last 3 years - off the field has not stalled.

Recruits not panning out, injuries, players not progressing, coaches not "coaching em up" - there are any number of reasons for the stall. But no one can argue that we have not stalled.

Stars from recruiting services mean little at this level - just provide fodder for arguing. Fit is as important.

The last two years of recruits appear to have hatched a solid group of players. The current recruits also look solid.

Frank is not going anywhere. He is under contract. Letting him go costs too much, anyone suggesting he step aside is to dismiss his competitiveness.

The team showed solid growth last year (just as the B-ball team is this year). Still got whacked a few times (youngsters tend to have that happen to them), but they closed the ranks and finished strong. That type of response does wonders when building a young team.

Next year's team appears to be positioned well for success, and yes, a legitimate shot at the Conference crown - despite not having a QB we all buy into...yet. Rest of the pieces can carry the team (just like the damn Broncos).

No one on this board will ever abandon the Cats. We are too emotionally invested.

Worst case scenario - we will always beat Miami - I know, that gets easier every year.

Who are you talking to?