Yip Yip Yip, Yak Yak Yak ! That noise you hear when you read this thread is the continued beating of a dead horse long after most have tired of the agenda you continue to try to promote! Move on !

bshot, your version is better stated.

Standard convention requires this information be presented within the context of (at a minimum) the other MAC teams.

IMO, even with relativity established, the specific conditional limitations of the presented information is too subjective for an astute reader.

All this being said,

I still want Monroe to answer my question.

I suspect he is incapable of answering what I would hope many consider to be a reasonable question.

What qualifies as intellectually justified hate?

I ask this question because I suspect that all criticism of Monroe's premise or technical approach is "blind hate". I hope he can answer. But most likely he'll merely approach the question like an asymptote and never satisfy the condition.

2015

14-49
17-41
24-62

The converse of the double digit losses is that during the last 3 years, in games decided by less than a touchdown, Ohio is 8-3. How would you feel if Ohio had no double digit losses, but was 3-8 in close games?

Neither piece of data is very useful, in my opinion. 2013-14 was a rebuilding period, so data from that time doesn't tell you a lot. The only thing I really get from it is that, because they were rebuilding, Ohio was at times overmatched, but when the game was winnable, they still got it done more often than not. A more useful time period will be 2015-2017, but of course many of those games have yet to be played. I'm very much looking forward to the next couple years.

Getting back to the big losses, though, I attribute them to a large degree to the Cover-4 defense. When it works, it is awesome to watch. When it breaks down, it can be ugly. The Cover-2 was a bend-but-don't break defense, so it didn't end up in big losses very often. I'm very ambivalent about whether that was a good move or not. Over the longer term, defensive recruiting has improved significantly since the switch, so it may well have been a good decision for the long term, even if there is some short term pain.

I realize now from some of the pm's I've received and from the posts on this board that there's a group that wants Solich as coach no matter what.

It would take a disaster for them to want him gone.

Wait--in his 9th thru his 11 years here he had that: 12 double digit loss by an average of 27 points. 27 points. 12 games, on average.

Then you get people who say that those are not very indicative. What?

Rebuilding in his 9th year?....rebuilding from what--it was never built... or the total genius of 'if these didn't happen'....Uh, they did.

Solich Football Bunch (SFB) won't even admit that these 12 games indicate something of a problem.

Impressive.



So, maybe these 12 were a good thing?

Is it disappointing that Ohio has yet to win a MACC under Coach Solich? Yes

But...Does a long tenure automatically mean that a staff then transcends the normal cyclical nature of wins-losses? I would argue, "no". Even with a 12 year tenure, you're still going to have cycles of performance at the mid major level. I realize it was a different era, but didn't Coach Hess experience up and down cycles?

NIU is one of the very few mid majors that has escaped the up and down cycles and has contended vritually every year. I tip my cap to them, but it's not the norm.

Having said that, I hope this program at Ohio is committed to winning a MACC ASAP. I can understand the lack of patience w this.

Situation--good to know that your, alleged, book won't have any inherent bias. How'd that rightside-impaneled grand jury down in TX work out for you? Y'know, the one that was going to indict the bad guys but instead indicted people who made the video about the bad guys.

L.C. Haven't you at least once in prior years predicted that a team would be Solich's best--but that didn't prove to be so. So, now your willing to give him 2015-17--three more years--despite the large pitfalls of the last three years? Hey, if 2015-17 don't work out, there's always 2018-20. If one of your employees absolutely tanked about 33% of his work, would you keep him on because, hey, he'll be better over the next three years? We were so close to victory in SEAsia if those lousy liberals hadn't ruined it for us.


I have a sense of humor. I'm enjoying this.

Thank you for making it so easy for me.

Jeff....I agree. NIU along with Boise have somehow been immune to rebuilding as mid-majors (although, Boise is closer to major status than NIU)

Marshall had a long stretch of dominance with no re-building when they were in the MAC...but since they've changes leagues, that hasn't been the story.

Boise's success was tied to Chris Petersen's long run there...was there for 8 years and only won less than 10 games once (final year won 8). Did a great job maintaining what Dan Hawkins started.

NIU has been impressive that they've been able to maintain with 3 different coaches (Kill, Doeren, Carey).

I guess I just look at NIU and say "Why the hell can't Ohio do that?" Doesn't seem so far fetched to think they can? Frustrating that they don't.

The truth is, the coaching has been average over the last three years. The coaches have not amassed an impressive resume over the last three years. The coaching has been better in the Solich era than what we have had in the past. We have been to bowls and we have won the MAC East, but now we are in a tail spin. The people who personally like the coaches defend them to no end. They brag about being 2-12 against winning MAC, teams, they say both wins came last year and others like Monroe say the bar is way too low. I say if we don't win the MAC or see significant progress this year, we should make a change, we should not allow our program to crater. I thank Solich for turning the program around, if he cannot take us to the next level, we need to look elsewhere. If it were not for the late recruiting push, we would have had one of the MAC's worst recruiting classes, as it stands, we ended up in the middle of the pack, and teams that made coaching changes out recruited us on paper. Giving credit where credit is due, we have been able to coach up players, we have also allowed players to continually play at mediocre levels like Tettleton. We need to improve, the coaches have not been great. Go Cats

Monroe I have no idea what you're referring to in Texas. If you're referencing it as some sort of knock on conservatives I can tell you that disproving the follower doesn't disprove the principle. That'd be like saying the scientific method is broken because some schmuck in Los Angeles can't properly assemble a useful comparison of stats.

As for bias. Well, by this age you should know bias cant be eliminated. It's impossible. However bias can be reduced through transparent methodology and clearly stated criteria.

When we understand how someone came to a conclusion we can judge them on the merits of their methodology and criteria alone. Their personal bias becomes less relevant.

So when I have an opinion that the word "fair" in the context of the tax code means everyone should be taxed the same rate I'm not stating it's right or wrong. But because how I stated my opinion, it's easy for most people to see where specifically we could disagree.

But when you have an opinion that "fair" in the context of the tax code means the hungriest people at the party should get more slices of pizza it opens a never ending loop of more questions. You then have to define "hungriest" in the context of the tax code, on so on. And at no point can anyone tell you where specifically they disagree.

People are telling you where specifically they disagree with your methodology. Youre failing to satisfy basic standard conventions for the presentation of data. My criticism of you is valid even if I've wanted Frank Solich fired for years.

And anyway, are you going to answer the question or just start glitching? I gave you a very clearly defined opportunity to prove me wrong by answering a simple and fair question. This isn't reverse psychology.

I love your "We." "We need to improve." Moving on, "we are in a tailspin." We should not allow our program to crater." Your team in a "tailspin" went from 6-6 to 8-5, beat the West Division Champs NIU, beat 10-3 Marshall and managed to improve "significantly" in nearly every offensive statistical category recorded by the MAC. Your gibberish about recruiting, "if not for," "would have been." attempts to discount very good recruiting that did happen. "Out recruited us on paper." You are unhappy, so what else is new. However, 2015 happened, it was "significantly better" than 2014. Ohio is trending upward. That is "Fact."

Thank you, above you acknowledge that Ohio during a rebuilding cycle falls way down to "middle of the pack." I can accept that. The lows continue to be higher and currently Ohio is trending upward to what to what "we" can hope will be a new higher high. So the floor of your tail spin was a middle of the pack 6-6 which is now more than a year in the past, get over yourself. God bless