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Posted: 8/17/2016 5:29 PM
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An AP story regarding Peden repairs just appeared on Beacon Journal website in Akron. $202k just to remove the concrete trim! They apparently found that the walls behind the molding are "unstable," requiring potentially significant repairs. Hmmm.
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Posted: 8/17/2016 10:14 PM
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I'm guessing this may spark conversation on the need for a Peden facelift. I do think it makes sense to expand Tower Seating to the full length of that section of the stadium.
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Gallia Cat wrote:expand_more
I'm guessing this may spark conversation on the need for a Peden facelift. I do think it makes sense to expand Tower Seating to the full length of that section of the stadium.
Construction on Peden is going to run from March 2017 to right before football season as part of a "long term repair" design. That 202,000 spent included some initial stabilization work. Could some cosmetic enhancements roll into this repair project, that's possible.

http://www.athensnews.com/news/campus/ou-acts-to-halt-sta...
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Posted: 8/18/2016 7:50 AM
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Except they probably weigh 700-1,000 pounds.
Your post got me curious.

Engineers live for this kind of stuff.

Assuming the red bricks on the tower are 4"x 6" the concrete panel was roughly 9'x 6'.

The section that hung down below the notch was about 3'long.

I figure the part in the notch was 8" thick.The part that hung down was about 6" thick.

Based on those demensions,the panel weighed about 5000 lbs.

Knew those classes in concrete design would come in handy for something.
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Posted: 8/18/2016 8:25 AM
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LOL! Yeah, I was estimating slightly different numbers. Figured the panel was 2.5' x 6' and about 6" thick. Also figured it might be some kind of mortar mix instead of ordinary concrete. Just guessing though. I'm sure I'm wrong.
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Posted: 8/18/2016 8:42 AM
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LOL! Yeah, I was estimating slightly different numbers. Figured the panel was 2.5' x 6' and about 6" thick. Also figured it might be some kind of mortar mix instead of ordinary concrete. Just guessing though. I'm sure I'm wrong.
Looking at the picture of the piece that hit the ground its hard to tell what type of concrete was used.
The manufacturers of precast panels use all different kinds of concrete mixes.

I based my calculation on standard (150 lbs. per cubic foot) concrete.

Again,its hard to tell from looking at pictures,but it does look like the concrete was more of what we call a "sand mix".

It also looks like water may have gotten into the panel causing the concrete to deteriorate.Again,its hard to tell from a photograph.

If O.U. wants to fly me out,I'd be happy to look at the panels in person.
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Posted: 8/18/2016 8:54 AM
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I varied from about 100 lbs/foot up to 150 lbs/foot based on the possibility of it being a "sand mix." The big difference between our numbers is the estimated size of the panel. I also used the brick as a baseline. It's just hard to say with the photo that was posted.
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Posted: 8/18/2016 9:17 AM
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[QUOTE=Gallia Cat] I'm guessing this may spark conversation on the need for a Peden facelift. I do think it makes sense to expand Tower Seating to the full length of that section of the stadium.
Construction on Peden is going to run from March 2017 to right before football season as part of a "long term repair" design. That 202,000 spent included some initial stabilization work. Could some cosmetic enhancements roll into this repair project, that's possible.

http://www.athensnews.com/news/campus/ou-acts-to-halt-sta... [/QUOTE

Re the 202K. I wonder if Ohio got competitive quotes. Why ask? Because not long ago I happened to learn what a painting contractor said it would cost to paint the facade, trim and columns on Konneker Alumni Center: 50K.

I just wonder what level of professional toughness Ohio employs when seeking bids.
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Posted: 8/18/2016 9:33 AM
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Mike Johnson wrote:expand_more
[QUOTE=Gallia Cat] I'm guessing this may spark conversation on the need for a Peden facelift. I do think it makes sense to expand Tower Seating to the full length of that section of the stadium.
Construction on Peden is going to run from March 2017 to right before football season as part of a "long term repair" design. That 202,000 spent included some initial stabilization work. Could some cosmetic enhancements roll into this repair project, that's possible.

http://www.athensnews.com/news/campus/ou-acts-to-halt-sta... [/QUOTE

Re the 202K. I wonder if Ohio got competitive quotes. Why ask? Because not long ago I happened to learn what a painting contractor said it would cost to paint the facade, trim and columns on Konneker Alumni Center: 50K.

I just wonder what level of professional toughness Ohio employs when seeking bids.
I believe University Facilities Maintenance has first right of refusal to complete any repair work, and only in the event they reject the project is the work sent for competitive bid.
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Posted: 8/18/2016 11:45 AM
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The part in question is NOT concrete guys, it's stone. Solid stone slabs that were inlaid when the stadium was built in the 1920's.

And $202,000.00 for the project (only seen that number on this thread) is not much of a rehab work.
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Posted: 8/18/2016 12:35 PM
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rpbobcat wrote:expand_more
Except they probably weigh 700-1,000 pounds.
Your post got me curious.

Engineers live for this kind of stuff.

Assuming the red bricks on the tower are 4"x 6" the concrete panel was roughly 9'x 6'.

The section that hung down below the notch was about 3'long.

I figure the part in the notch was 8" thick.The part that hung down was about 6" thick.

Based on those demensions,the panel weighed about 5000 lbs.

Knew those classes in concrete design would come in handy for something.
Bobcatattack-not your run-of-the-mill messageboard! Great stuff.
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Posted: 8/18/2016 1:50 PM
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rpbobcat wrote:expand_more
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I based my calculation on standard (150 lbs. per cubic foot) concrete.

Again,its hard to tell from looking at pictures,but it does look like the concrete was more of what we call a "sand mix".
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Per BTC it was a stone slab, so it might be 170 lbs/ft^3
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Posted: 8/19/2016 7:12 AM
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I'm just hoping this a wake up call to the university that it's time to make some impactful long term improvements to Peden. Its time to stop with the super glue, duct tape and band aids! It's been a good soldier for the university and it's time. Not to mention Peden is at the front door of the campus and is usually a part of someone's first impression of Ohio University. It's not tucked away in some back corner where no one sees it except on game day. If I were a betting man I am thinking there are behind the scene discussions going on about this very subject. The biggest challenge is it will require a significant fund raising effort and with 2 recent campaigns just completed you have to worry about the most loyal donors being a little tapped out. Someone new may have to step up and if they don't does OU follow the lead of some other state schools and foot the bill and simply roll the project in with the other current construction projects taking place? My guess is the faculty senate would lose what marbles they have left.
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Posted: 8/19/2016 7:20 AM
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L.C. wrote:expand_more
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I based my calculation on standard (150 lbs. per cubic foot) concrete.

Again,its hard to tell from looking at pictures,but it does look like the concrete was more of what we call a "sand mix".
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Per BTC it was a stone slab, so it might be 170 lbs/ft^3
http://www.athensmessenger.com/news/stone-molding-falls-o...

"No one was hurt when the 8-inch-thick piece — measuring about 2 ½ feet by 4 feet"
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I based my calculation on standard (150 lbs. per cubic foot) concrete.

Again,its hard to tell from looking at pictures,but it does look like the concrete was more of what we call a "sand mix".
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Per BTC it was a stone slab, so it might be 170 lbs/ft^3
http://www.athensmessenger.com/news/stone-molding-falls-o...

"No one was hurt when the 8-inch-thick piece — measuring about 2 ½ feet by 4 feet"
The 2 1/2' x 4' reference seems to be the size of the piece that fell.
If you look at the pictures that were posted on page 2 of this thread,it looks like the stone fractured with the section below the "notch" falling off.
That would make sense,given the fact the remainder of the stone was supported in the notch.

If you look at the pictures on page 2 of the thread,there seems to be a crack at the same location on the stone slab that was still up.
Last Edited: 8/19/2016 8:04:01 AM by rpbobcat
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I'm just hoping this a wake up call to the university that it's time to make some impactful long term improvements to Peden. Its time to stop with the super glue, duct tape and band aids! It's been a good soldier for the university and it's time. Not to mention Peden is at the front door of the campus and is usually a part of someone's first impression of Ohio University. It's not tucked away in some back corner where no one sees it except on game day. If I were a betting man I am thinking there are behind the scene discussions going on about this very subject. The biggest challenge is it will require a significant fund raising effort and with 2 recent campaigns just completed you have to worry about the most loyal donors being a little tapped out. Someone new may have to step up and if they don't does OU follow the lead of some other state schools and foot the bill and simply roll the project in with the other current construction projects taking place? My guess is the faculty senate would lose what marbles they have left.
Universities are issuing bonds at whatever price it takes to bring the stadium into the 21st century. To tear down and rebuild the home section could be done with OU foundation money. Build it taller with openings in the middle of the stands so it doesn't obstruct the view in the first few rows like it does now. Take out the tower club and use the space for concessions up top. The tower itself imposes a height restriction. Could fit 10 more rows of seats in there.
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Posted: 8/21/2016 12:34 PM
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If we build it, they will come.

Tear down the student section and replace it with a state of the art covered outdoor concert venue. A removable stage to go about where the team bench goes.

Perfect size to hold all the students and guests that come for a game with fantastic sight lines and for the music fans that would enjoy the perfect setting to see their favorites. (Athens, a music destination town) Ample parking, a picnic area, a hill for those not wanting to pay the price of a concert seat. First class food facilities and of course sufficient potty space for all the genders=Revenue to help pay for it and give the most important attendants other than the players the best seats in the house on game day.
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That is a creative idea to pitch a new student section as an outdoor music venue. The stadium would look a lot better if the sideline seats were taller. Go taller on the student side and curve it for the concert site lines and blend in with the corner sections. Ribbon boards on the corner sections to get the crowd fired up on third downs. The athletic department needs to put out a master plan to take the stadium to the next level.
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Posted: 8/21/2016 3:57 PM
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Paid for how ??
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This is the perfect time to make a commitment to go to 45k and support the basketball program and make a run at the Big 12
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Paid for how ??
With pet travel bag royalties?
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Paid for how ??
With pet travel bag royalties?
As well as all profits from Holiday Tote Bigg Bagg Collection?
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Lots of good ideas here, but why would the school want to pay for all of these things?

I love the Bobcats, but the money needed for things like this is very hard to come by. Look at how OU has struggled to pay for other large projects. Most of the large projects are more or less funded by one big donation. This would need to be funded by 100's of those type of people.

OU you should do the cheapest solution that will provide the needed safety.
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Paid for how ??

Was there any chance you asked that same question of either of your Senators or US Rep before the Affordable Care Act was passed?

Revenue Bonds; interest rates are low--lock in the rates. Investors know that the longer Solich goes without winning the MACC the closer he gets to winning the MACC!

Project must be conceived first; then get creative on paying for it.
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