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Ohio69
10/16/2013 8:57 AM
Not sure I agree with the team was flat type stuff.  4 turnovers!  End of story.
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Bcat2
10/16/2013 10:08 AM
We are who we are.  This does not mean we have to be who we used to be.
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Deciduous Forest Cat
10/16/2013 10:10 AM
JSF wrote:expand_more
Has anyone considered the possibility we aren't who we are, or that we are who we aren't?


Well, either way, it is what it is. Unless it isn't.
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Casper71
10/16/2013 10:10 AM
We are obviously NOT MAC football Champions!  Can someone tell me how many days it has been since our last MAC Championship (was that 1968) in football?  I'm beginning to think it is the "Bo Schembechler curse" after we won that one (was it because of a Kent forefeit?).  At any rate he said "Ohio can play football until hell freezes over and they will still never be MAC Champs" (or something like that).  After 45 years, I'm seriously beginning to think he was right...
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OhioCatFan
10/16/2013 10:23 AM
Casper71 wrote:expand_more
We are obviously NOT MAC football Champions!  Can someone tell me how many days it has been since our last MAC Championship (was that 1968) in football?  I'm beginning to think it is the "Bo Schembechler curse" after we won that one (was it because of a Kent forefeit?).  At any rate he said "Ohio can play football until hell freezes over and they will still never be MAC Champs" (or something like that).  After 45 years, I'm seriously beginning to think he was right...

Actually, the 1968 championship broke the curse, which was leveled in 1967.  Sorry, one must look for another excuse.  Here's a post I made on this subject a few weeks ago:

"Also, on a related note, one time Bo Schembechler said that we could play football in Athens until hell froze over and we still wouldn't deserve the MAC championship.  This was after Kent State forfeited a game they had won against us because they had used a ineligible player.  Miami beat us that year, which after the forfeit, was Ohio's only conference loss that year (1967).  As a result of the forfeit we were co-champions.  See how you can't think about Miami without thinking about cheating."

 
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Casper71
10/16/2013 2:19 PM
OCF, I guess 1967 and 1968 were too far back for me to remeber it correctly!  Thanks for the correction, obviously, I missed your post about the good old days:)

The real question remains, how many days ago was that?  And, do you think the two of us will ever relive 1967-68?
Last Edited: 10/16/2013 2:20:32 PM by Casper71
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Pataskala
10/16/2013 3:02 PM
Casper71 wrote:expand_more
OCF, I guess 1967 and 1968 were too far back for me to remeber it correctly!  Thanks for the correction, obviously, I missed your post about the good old days:)

The real question remains, how many days ago was that?  And, do you think the two of us will ever relive 1967-68?


I don't know how many days it was, but LBJ was still president (Nixon didn't take office until 1/20/69).  I'd have to check this, but I think LBJ was the last sitting president to visit our campus before Obama did last year, so maybe our drought will be coming to an end.
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PhiTau74
10/16/2013 3:53 PM
Ohio has South Carolina Gamecock syndrome. Spurier and Frank started the same year in 2005. Every year the gamecocks are in the top 2-3 in the SEC East and have a shot at the SEC championship just like Ohio in the MAC. Every year we have an unexpected loss (Gamecocks) and every year the local paper says this is the year. The biggest problem both Ohio and South Carolina have is neither has been able to get the prototypical pro style quarterback. Spurier has been unable to get the type of QB that Georgia, LSU, Vandy (Cutler), Florida and the other schools have found. USC has put a ton of players into the NFL but can't recruit a really good QB and they never get over the hump. Ohio has the same problem but Miamii, CMU, N.Ill and others reach the MAC championship usually due to a really good pro style QB. South Carolina now has a TT clone in Conner Shaw and as usual it's what ultimately will stop USC from winning it all. No disrespect to TT because he is one of the all time greats but his injuries have hurt and he doesn't have the size to succeed in the NFL. Until we get the prototypical NFL QB I'm not sure we have a chance to make it to the promised land. Sure defense is critical to go all the way but look at the last few MAC champions.
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OhioCatFan
10/16/2013 7:47 PM
Casper71 wrote:expand_more
. . .And, do you think the two of us will ever relive 1967-68?


That's been my constant hope since the family returned to Athens in the fall of 1978.  After some mediocre ball with Bryan Burke, I then suffered through Cleve and PapaL, followed by a brief period of hope under Grobe and then a return to horrible ball under Knorr.  With that history, I'll just say we are closer to those "good old days" now that we've been since '78.  GO OHIO!
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PhiTau74
10/16/2013 9:16 PM
Hate to repeat myself but there's a common theme to the MAC Championship winner

2009 LeFevour CMU 6'3" 230 drafted by Bears
2010 Dysert Miami 6'3" 230 Denver back up QB
2011 Harnish N. I'll 6'2" 220 Colts back up QB

it all starts with the QB
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The Situation
10/16/2013 9:40 PM
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colobobcat66
10/17/2013 9:05 AM
PhiTau74 wrote:expand_more
Hate to repeat myself but there's a common theme to the MAC Championship winner

2009 LeFevour CMU 6'3" 230 drafted by Bears
2010 Dysert Miami 6'3" 230 Denver back up QB
2011 Harnish N. I'll 6'2" 220 Colts back up QB

it all starts with the QB
selective memory here. Boucher was the QB in the Miami championship, Lynch last year is not pro-style QB. I don't think you need a pro-style QB to win championships, Young, Newton come to mind in recent years. The game has changed and there are plenty of teams that win without Andrew Luck at the helm.
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Casper71
10/17/2013 9:40 AM
There is obviously more than one way to skin a cat.  However, if you go back to some of the Miami glory years and Marshall it does start at QB.  Not saying one style is better than the other but Big Ben, Pennington and Leftwich come to mind.  I am becomming less and less a fan of the pistol with it's limitations in the run game (the way we run it today).  I think the pro style passer and some two back sets can be just as effective as what we are doing now.  It is just "we are who we are"!
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OhioStunter
10/17/2013 10:47 AM
PhiTau74 wrote:expand_more
Hate to repeat myself but there's a common theme to the MAC Championship winner

2009 LeFevour CMU 6'3" 230 drafted by Bears
2010 Dysert Miami 6'3" 230 Denver back up QB
2011 Harnish N. I'll 6'2" 220 Colts back up QB

it all starts with the QB


You make an outstanding point here and you prompted me to look further at this, building on what you started. So going back to the last 10 years of MAC Champions, every single championship team had NFL-caliber QBs.

2003 Big Ben Mia drafted by PIT
2004 Bruce Gradkowski Tol drafted by TB
2005 Luke Getsy Akr signed by SF
2006 LeFevour
2007 LeFevour
2008 Drew Willy Buf signed by BAL
2009 LeFevour CMU 6'3" 230 drafted by Bears
2010 Dysert Miami 6'3" 230 Denver back up QB
2011 Harnish N. I'll 6'2" 220 Colts back up QB
2012 Lynch NIU signed/drafted by ?
2013 ?
Last Edited: 10/17/2013 12:31:06 PM by OhioStunter
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Bcat2
10/17/2013 11:05 AM
Casper71 wrote:expand_more
There is obviously more than one way to skin a cat.  However, if you go back to some of the Miami glory years and Marshall it does start at QB.  Not saying one style is better than the other but Big Ben, Pennington and Leftwich come to mind.  I am becomming less and less a fan of the pistol with it's limitations in the run game (the way we run it today).  I think the pro style passer and some two back sets can be just as effective as what we are doing now.  It is just "we are who we are"!


Casper, may I buy you a beer? I believe one day Ohio fans will look up and there be it. You know TT might be eye to eye with Drew Brees.  And, Oh, who we are does not have to be who we were!
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GoCats105
10/17/2013 12:34 PM
Casper71 wrote:expand_more
There is obviously more than one way to skin a cat.  However, if you go back to some of the Miami glory years and Marshall it does start at QB.  Not saying one style is better than the other but Big Ben, Pennington and Leftwich come to mind.  I am becomming less and less a fan of the pistol with it's limitations in the run game (the way we run it today).  I think the pro style passer and some two back sets can be just as effective as what we are doing now.  It is just "we are who we are"!


I'm not sure changing the system is the issue. Remember what our offense was like before we started implementing the pistol? Now, I wouldn't mind seeing some pro formations, but abandoning the pistol completely isn't the way to go.
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GoCats105
10/17/2013 12:37 PM
OhioStunter wrote:expand_more
Hate to repeat myself but there's a common theme to the MAC Championship winner

2009 LeFevour CMU 6'3" 230 drafted by Bears
2010 Dysert Miami 6'3" 230 Denver back up QB
2011 Harnish N. I'll 6'2" 220 Colts back up QB

it all starts with the QB


You make an outstanding point here and you prompted me to look further at this, building on what you started. So going back to the last 10 years of MAC Champions, every single championship team had NFL-caliber QBs.

2003 Big Ben Mia drafted by PIT
2004 Bruce Gradkowski Tol drafted by TB
2005 Luke Getsy Akr signed by SF
2006 LeFevour
2007 LeFevour
2008 Drew Willy Buf signed by BAL
2009 LeFevour CMU 6'3" 230 drafted by Bears
2010 Dysert Miami 6'3" 230 Denver back up QB
2011 Harnish N. I'll 6'2" 220 Colts back up QB
2012 Lynch NIU signed/drafted by ?
2013 ?


If I remember correctly, Gradkowski and maybe Willy were the only two that didn't operate primarily out of some sort of spread offense?
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Casper71
10/17/2013 12:40 PM
Does that make Ball State and their pro style QB the MAC champs this year?  Or, will NIU win it and then have their guy get drafted? 

I really believe that the talent level is so close in the MAC that if you can get one of those "exceptional" QBs you can win a championship.  The jury is still out on TT, he is very good but the question is: is he good enough to get us a Championship?  We'll see...
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The Optimist
10/17/2013 6:26 PM
Food for thought:
We got this far without an IPF and a 4-lane highway connecting to our closest major city. Moving forward, we have those tools to work with.


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Loses are not fun. That one really hurt. I haven't been this upset after a loss since we choked away that 20-0 lead in the MACC. (edit: Actually, F!@%! last year wasn't fun either.. I just wasn't at that game..)
However... All is not lost. Frank has taken us to levels I could not dream of a couple years ago. It isn't always a straight shot up. 2 steps forward, one step back. We can still win the MAC.

Each good team builds a better program.
Last Edited: 10/17/2013 6:30:07 PM by The Optimist
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OhioStunter
10/17/2013 6:41 PM
I'm still not over that Miami loss. It's not that we lost to them (as bad as that sounds), it's how we lost and what it did to the attitude of the team.
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catfan28
10/17/2013 10:54 PM
I highly doubt Jordan Lynch will be an NFL quarterback. He may get drafted or signed...but definitely don't think he'll be under center.
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OhioStunter
10/17/2013 11:37 PM
catfan28 wrote:expand_more
I highly doubt Jordan Lynch will be an NFL quarterback. He may get drafted or signed...but definitely don't think he'll be under center.


What position do you think an NFL team would draft/sign him for?
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JSF
10/17/2013 11:46 PM
I'm still waiting to find out if we are who we are, or if we aren't who we were, or if we'll be who we'll be.
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OhioCatFan
10/18/2013 12:35 AM
JSF wrote:expand_more
I'm still waiting to find out if we are who we are, or if we aren't who we were, or if we'll be who we'll be.


All of the above. 
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Bobcatbob
10/18/2013 1:59 PM
JSF wrote:expand_more
I'm still waiting to find out if we are who we are, or if we aren't who we were, or if we'll be who we'll be.


 Que sera sera.
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