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GoCats105
10/14/2013 12:12 PM
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When I looked at our schedule in August, Louisville was the only game I thought was a guaranteed loss.  The schedule set up favorably, especially avoiding NIU, Toledo and Ball St this year.  The MAC East is pretty weak and we got Marshall and North Texas at home. 

Personally, I am disappointed that we watched a loss at home playing unispired, sloppy football with predictible play calling and tactical coaching errors at critical points in the game (timeout management, fielding the punt at the end, etc.).  If this was an isolated incident, it would be easier to swallow.  But, we have several seasons in a row where there are one or two head-scratching losses.  Miami last year (as well as the last 3 games of the season), Ball State and NIU in the MAC Championship game (with a 20-0 lead) the year before and losses to Kent 3 out of the last 4 years should not happen with any regularity.   

I remember the days of 1 or 2 wins in a season, but getting 8 wins in a season where they play 13 or 14 games is really not much more than mediocre.  We have 8 games against MAC teams and 1 against an FCS team each year.  8 wins/year playing in the SEC is impressive.  8 wins playing the likes of Miami, UMass, Akron, Buffalo and Eastern Michigan is not.


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Ohio69
10/14/2013 12:14 PM
colobobcat66 wrote:expand_more
Another thing, when Marshall has 4 turnovers to lose to us, it's because we play so much more disciplined , we are so much better coached, we have smarter players, etc. When we do it, it's just an historic event. Comical.


The dropped punt was historic.  Can you think of other times we dropped a punt in the waning moments to lose a game?  Historic. 

The three other turnovers -- I'm with you.  Just can't do it.  But the dropped punt is one for the ages.  Can't lump 'em all together.

The Bobcats have won 10, 9, 8, and 9 games the last 4 years.  That's damn good.

Just sayin.....
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BillyTheCat
10/14/2013 12:26 PM
Ohio69 wrote:expand_more
Another thing, when Marshall has 4 turnovers to lose to us, it's because we play so much more disciplined , we are so much better coached, we have smarter players, etc. When we do it, it's just an historic event. Comical.


The dropped punt was historic.  Can you think of other times we dropped a punt in the waning moments to lose a game?  Historic. 

The three other turnovers -- I'm with you.  Just can't do it.  But the dropped punt is one for the ages.  Can't lump 'em all together.

The Bobcats have won 10, 9, 8, and 9 games the last 4 years.  That's damn good.

Just sayin.....


Chris Garrett at Toledo....Next question!
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colobobcat66
10/14/2013 12:36 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
Another thing, when Marshall has 4 turnovers to lose to us, it's because we play so much more disciplined , we are so much better coached, we have smarter players, etc. When we do it, it's just an historic event. Comical.


The dropped punt was historic. Can you think of other times we dropped a punt in the waning moments to lose a game? Historic.

The three other turnovers -- I'm with you. Just can't do it. But the dropped punt is one for the ages. Can't lump 'em all together.

The Bobcats have won 10, 9, 8, and 9 games the last 4 years. That's damn good.

Just sayin.....


Chris Garrett at Toledo....Next question!
I thought it was Garrett at Temple, but whatever, there are other cases of bad penalties, etc.
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BillyTheCat
10/14/2013 12:39 PM
Garrett did that more than once, but the Toledo drop was at the end of the game with an OHIO lead.  But to your point, yes there have been others.
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D.A.
10/14/2013 12:43 PM
Ohio69 wrote:expand_more
Another thing, when Marshall has 4 turnovers to lose to us, it's because we play so much more disciplined , we are so much better coached, we have smarter players, etc. When we do it, it's just an historic event. Comical.


The dropped punt was historic.  Can you think of other times we dropped a punt in the waning moments to lose a game?  Historic. 

The three other turnovers -- I'm with you.  Just can't do it.  But the dropped punt is one for the ages.  Can't lump 'em all together.

The Bobcats have won 10, 9, 8, and 9 games the last 4 years.  That's damn good.

Just sayin.....

Ohio State '08

 
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OhioCatFan
10/14/2013 3:48 PM
Yes, I was thinking after the game that this reminded me of that Toledo game.  And, now that it's mentioned, we probably lost that O$U game on a punt fumble/muff also, though there was a little more time left in that one than the Toledo or CMU games when disaster struck.  There is a pattern here.  Maybe it's just blind luck.  Don't know.  But, these are games that try fans' souls.    
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Jeff McKinney
10/14/2013 4:21 PM
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 . . .  By the way, I've never seen the team run out onto the field with less energy.  I turned to my wife and said, "This could be one of those games."  Sadly, it was. 

I noticed that, too.  At the time, being the optimist that I am, I said to myself, "That's a good sign.  They have a business-as-usual attitude.  You don't have to get hyped for every game.  They are going to go out there in workman like fashion and pile up TDs and coast to an Akron-like victory."  In retrospect, however, your interpretation was on target and mine was somewhere in la-la-land.

 


I noticed the same thing, and had SBH's concern. The team entered the field both lackluster and piecemeal. A set of players came out, then a trickle, then a few more, etc. The band seemed out-of-sync because they did their usual fanfare, and the crowd anticipated this grand entrance. Instead, we got this leaky-faucet dribble.

Now maybe that had nothing to do with anything, but I'd like to hear what was going on inside the locker room moments before.

My friend Steve Ragan sitting next to me pointed that out to me.   I didn't think any more about it, but was it perhaps something of an indicator of things to come?  Maybe, maybe not.  

 
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Ohio69
10/14/2013 4:24 PM
Wow that was quick.  3 dropped punts in 6 years posted in less than 40 minutes.

I'm on board now.  Frank and company gots to go!  Woo hoo!  Chachow!  Chachow!

So, who can come up with the list of guys who are gonna take us to 13, 13, 13, and 13 wins the next 4 years?
Last Edited: 10/14/2013 4:26:28 PM by Ohio69
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BillyTheCat
10/14/2013 5:35 PM
Someone should not have challenged us to find another example. But Monroe would be my guess, he'd get that fullback in the game and take snaps under center. Not sure why we haven't tried this.
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Ohio69
10/14/2013 6:40 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
Someone should not have challenged us to find another example. But Monroe would be my guess, he'd get that fullback in the game and take snaps under center. Not sure why we haven't tried this.


Or at least some throws to TE....  Me, I'm hoping we keep rowing.  Row, row, row.....
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Doc Bobcat
10/14/2013 8:52 PM
I'll tell you who we should be.....a pi$$ed off team with a chip on their shoulder...and that's not chippewas either.  It's obvious from the get go that we took them lightly....we weren't fired up....we need someone to fire this team the hell up...whether it's a Samoan war chant or just Senior leadership...hopefully we have something.

Eastern and Fiami should be locks......Buffalo  and BG should be like the old Temple games...fired up driven  Ohio teams.  If Frank is correct and we are improving then let's show it.  BG got some pay back comin and u never should take the Beefaloes lightly.

I know who I am ....not necessarily an old fart green koolaid drinker but a firm athletic supporter of Frank and the team....did I just call myself an athletic supporter?
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Monroe Slavin
10/14/2013 8:59 PM
I gather that we should beat the EMUs somewhat handily.

I'm a bit worried about the redhawk.  They only fell to CMU 21-9.  I know that comparative scores don't work but I don't think that they're as bad as they might appear...and a W over us puts a glow on their season.
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Monroe Slavin
10/14/2013 9:05 PM
You guys can go and poke fun at good old M. Slavin but let's hear your response to these three things:

--the game thread for CMU had no chatter...just stuff about our all-time record and games against such as Marietta..because we were almost 100% all so confident that this was a W...

--tell me that Beau up the middle on our first drive 2nd half on 3rd and 3 was anything but a call calculated to lose yards...

---go to the thread about helpful hints of how to better our offense and tell me that any of those suggestions are either bad or obscure..


One way or another, we prepared to lose that game on Saturday vs. CMU from moment one and save for a few moments when we had the lead (and that didn't last long), we had it lost.


Try this:  take away our two best plays and CMU's two best and let CMU hit those two relatively easy field goals and what do you get...us pasted by 10-14.
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lovebobcat
10/14/2013 11:45 PM
Have we plateaued? That's an interesting question, and this is an interesting point in the program's history. We have certainly seemed to establish a pattern of winning seasons, but until we can start winning the conference a time or two, there's no way to establish the higher profile that can have us dreaming of being ranked regularly or threatening to be in a BCS bowl.

(Yes, I know we were ranked last year, but that lasted only one game. And we still haven't finished a season with fewer than three losses.)

I still have pretty high hopes for this team, but the running game is lacking, and neither line looks like league-champion material. Injuries dog us again. And having zero margin for error and the two toughest division games on the road means we're likely to soon be in wait-til-next-year mode. I actually think this team will be fortunate to get a bowl bid (I predict an 8-4 finish), which would be a shame to snap the streak we have of going to bowls.

All that said, since we are a MAC team, there's something of a glass ceiling anyway. No one in this league -- not even NIU -- is going to be a national player year-in and year-out. So I am darn proud of what Frank and his staff have done for this university. It's fun to be relevant.

I'm on board for wherever this journey takes us. I hope Frank coaches here another 100 years.
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OhioStunter
10/14/2013 11:57 PM
lovebobcat wrote:expand_more
Have we plateaued? That's an interesting question, and this is an interesting point in the program's history. We have certainly seemed to establish a pattern of winning seasons, but until we can start winning the conference a time or two, there's no way to establish the higher profile that can have us dreaming of being ranked regularly or threatening to be in a BCS bowl.

(Yes, I know we were ranked last year, but that lasted only one game. And we still haven't finished a season with fewer than three losses.)

I still have pretty high hopes for this team, but the running game is lacking, and neither line looks like league-champion material. Injuries dog us again. And having zero margin for error and the two toughest division games on the road means we're likely to soon be in wait-til-next-year mode. I actually think this team will be fortunate to get a bowl bid (I predict an 8-4 finish), which would be a shame to snap the streak we have of going to bowls.

All that said, since we are a MAC team, there's something of a glass ceiling anyway. No one in this league -- not even NIU -- is going to be a national player year-in and year-out. So I am darn proud of what Frank and his staff have done for this university. It's fun to be relevant.

I'm on board for wherever this journey takes us. I hope Frank coaches here another 100 years.


nicely done.
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JSF
10/15/2013 12:18 AM
Has anyone considered the possibility we aren't who we are, or that we are who we aren't?
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GoCats105
10/15/2013 7:58 AM
JSF wrote:expand_more
Has anyone considered the possibility we aren't who we are, or that we are who we aren't?


Careful with that kind of thinking. It could make someone's head explode.
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catfan28
10/15/2013 8:17 AM
Robert Fox wrote:expand_more
I noticed the same thing, and had SBH's concern. The team entered the field both lackluster and piecemeal. A set of players came out, then a trickle, then a few more, etc. The band seemed out-of-sync because they did their usual fanfare, and the crowd anticipated this grand entrance. Instead, we got this leaky-faucet dribble.

Now maybe that had nothing to do with anything, but I'd like to hear what was going on inside the locker room moments before.


Most teams, the entrance is a big deal...guys RUN out onto the field and the crowd gets pumped. The whole team is on the field within 15-20 seconds. Ours is always like 2 minutes of guys trickling out...but I agree, it was even worse on Saturday. What gives? Do guys forget there's a game and come out late? It just looks like they don't care sometimes.
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Bcat2
10/15/2013 8:20 AM
Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
You guys can go and poke fun at good old M. Slavin but let's hear your response to these three things:

--the game thread for CMU had no chatter...just stuff about our all-time record and games against such as Marietta..because we were almost 100% all so confident that this was a W...

--tell me that Beau up the middle on our first drive 2nd half on 3rd and 3 was anything but a call calculated to lose yards...

---go to the thread about helpful hints of how to better our offense and tell me that any of those suggestions are either bad or obscure..


One way or another, we prepared to lose that game on Saturday vs. CMU from moment one and save for a few moments when we had the lead (and that didn't last long), we had it lost.


Try this:  take away our two best plays and CMU's two best and let CMU hit those two relatively easy field goals and what do you get...us pasted by 10-14.


Monroe you know how the "if you" game works. Take the two best away, then you have to also take away the two off the bottom too. Now you want to give them do overs on missed FGs so you have to give TT do overs on the two ints also.  That should make it .......  pretty damned silly
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D.A.
10/15/2013 10:48 AM
JSF wrote:expand_more
Has anyone considered the possibility we aren't who we are, or that we are who we aren't?
Depends on the person you ask, as the team/staff/fans/pundits all have different perceptions on "who we are".

From my perspective, the CMU loss is no less or more frustrating than last year's "efforts" against Belmont, Akron x3 or Denver.

The only difference is you only have 12 times to prove who you are during the FB season, amplifying the importance of each and every game.

Both Hoops and FB seem to deliver these types of inexplicable performances, and for me the importance is not taking them so serious that you are prepared to leap off the Richland Avenue bridge.

 
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Ohio69
10/15/2013 4:16 PM
JSF wrote:expand_more
Has anyone considered the possibility we aren't who we are, or that we are who we aren't?


Isn't that what this web site is all about?
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Pete Chouteau
10/15/2013 8:31 PM
I know I guy that did ok for himself being who he was...

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Monroe Slavin
10/16/2013 1:43 AM
If last Saturday was a home game, a homecoming game, and a chance for us to even our overall record at .500, you'd have thunk (really--you would have) that the team would have come out with a little more verve and not so much flat.



 
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MonroeClassmate
10/16/2013 7:51 AM
Are we what we are on defense? 

Very disappointing that the D could not pick up the team at the end.  Hats off to CMU for just smash mouthing the D for 6 and the win. 

Performances on homecoming like this and Ball State a few ago and you've perpetuated the watch the 110 at half and head for Court.


Can someone tell me when a defense is backed down to within the 15 why the db's ever let a man get inside position on them?  I'd rather get beaten by the fade than an automatic slant where most college qb's can put it on the numbers.  Get someone up on the receivers and knock em on their arse at the line and hope your rush gets to the qb. 

Another observation--it is what it is.  At the MAC level of corners, when you have one on one coverage on the outside the automatic play should be a straight down the field strike.  Rarely does the cb have ANY idea where the ball is, rarely turns around to play the ball and a marginally thrown ball winds up a reception or penalty 95% of the time.
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