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Monroe Slavin
11/25/2016 2:08 AM
CA Bobcat--You are the man. We know so because you tell us.

If you don't understand refusing to show your real name..or explaining such refusal..then no amount of reason or explanation will reach your blocked mind.
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Bcat2
11/25/2016 7:56 AM
Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
LC--You cannot revere Solich and also put up such bogus argument as 'logically in 12 years if we should win a MAC, then we should expect to be the worst in the MAC also.'

I made a quick list at the beginning of this season of what we'd not see:

QB able to drill the ball into a tight hole
QB able to survey the field consistently (instead of lock on one receiver)
Two-back sets
QB under center, espec in short yardage situation
Hurry-up offense, at least at times
Screen passes
Tight end rumble slants
State of the art flood a side blitzes
No more lightweight backs running up the middle
QB pump fakes


Most of these we've not seen.

The refusal to acknowledge the mediocrity of our coaching staff is appalling.

Give me any four game stretch since the loss to Miami in 2012 and I bet I'll be able to point out some wretched coaching.


It is simply astounding that so many here cling to reverence for Solich and staff 12 years in with a record built on wins over cupcakes.

Not a single season with less than four losses. Against the schedules we play. Not impressive.


I know we love how effective our offense is in short yardage situations. (Injuries!) Didn't we all love taking a time out on our first drive of the game against Akron at about their 30 on 4th and two because, apparently, we didn't have a play ready for this situation

You understand little about organizations if you don't know that such redounds in a lack of player confidence and hence, performance.

More simply, our guys lack winning spirit because our staff leaves them less than confident.
Monroe. Really, you, who never played or coached, have the gall to call out Ohio's players for "lack of winning spirit." Since 2006, in the MAC, only NIU has won more than Ohio. "Lack of winning spirit." Nuts!!!! Monroe this staff recruits and instills winning spirit. Russell, Johnson, Ouellette, Basham, Sprague, Sayles, Laseak, Poling, Brown B., Moore, Smith, Pruehs, Cooper, Hagan, Davis, Reid, Brown D., Mangen, Wood, Watson, Tautuiaki, Carpenter, Crutch, Wells, Carrie, Bass, Aloese, White, Windham. Monroe, shame on you. You have had winning spirit in front of you for 12 years and still do not have a @#$%^& clue.
Last Edited: 11/25/2016 8:19:41 AM by Bcat2
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bshot44
11/25/2016 9:28 AM
Bcat2 wrote:expand_more
LC--You cannot revere Solich and also put up such bogus argument as 'logically in 12 years if we should win a MAC, then we should expect to be the worst in the MAC also.'

I made a quick list at the beginning of this season of what we'd not see:

QB able to drill the ball into a tight hole
QB able to survey the field consistently (instead of lock on one receiver)
Two-back sets
QB under center, espec in short yardage situation
Hurry-up offense, at least at times
Screen passes
Tight end rumble slants
State of the art flood a side blitzes
No more lightweight backs running up the middle
QB pump fakes


Most of these we've not seen.

The refusal to acknowledge the mediocrity of our coaching staff is appalling.

Give me any four game stretch since the loss to Miami in 2012 and I bet I'll be able to point out some wretched coaching.


It is simply astounding that so many here cling to reverence for Solich and staff 12 years in with a record built on wins over cupcakes.

Not a single season with less than four losses. Against the schedules we play. Not impressive.


I know we love how effective our offense is in short yardage situations. (Injuries!) Didn't we all love taking a time out on our first drive of the game against Akron at about their 30 on 4th and two because, apparently, we didn't have a play ready for this situation

You understand little about organizations if you don't know that such redounds in a lack of player confidence and hence, performance.

More simply, our guys lack winning spirit because our staff leaves them less than confident.
Monroe. Really, you, who never played or coached, have the gall to call out Ohio's players for "lack of winning spirit." Since 2006, in the MAC, only NIU has won more than Ohio. "Lack of winning spirit." Nuts!!!! Monroe this staff recruits and instills winning spirit. Russell, Johnson, Ouellette, Basham, Sprague, Sayles, Laseak, Poling, Brown B., Moore, Smith, Pruehs, Cooper, Hagan, Davis, Reid, Brown D., Mangen, Wood, Watson, Tautuiaki, Carpenter, Crutch, Wells, Carrie, Bass, Aloese, White, Windham. Monroe, shame on you. You have had winning spirit in front of you for 12 years and still do not have a @#$%^& clue.
Yes, Monroe. Shame on you!

**insert long list of player names here**

We've been the flagship program of the MAC for 12 years.

Winning spirit! Those seniors have four blue participation ribbons from bcat2 that mean more than any MACC ever would.

Aw shucks.

He's played and coached obviously. Just the pure knowledge of his posts show the vast knowledge he's willing to share with us common folk. I feel so fortunate.

STFU dude. Go get your pompoms ready for Detroit. Pack up your orange slices.

Nuts!!!

I feel the winning spirit instilled reading his amazing posts!

Gimmie a trophy! I've earned it
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cc-cat
11/25/2016 9:46 AM
Monroe - bshot44. Sounds like a fair concern. So please identify the players you feel lack the "spirit to win" - the drive and commitment to win. I have no issue calling out the coaches and their aptitude and lack of success. But I have not seen this team/the players quit on themselves or each other. So I'm interested to see who you feel lacks the "spirit to win." I'm interested who specifically you feel is out there to get a "participation" ribbon.
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bshot44
11/25/2016 9:46 AM
Bcat2 wrote:expand_more
And no... The MAC is NOT an above average mid major league. It consistently one of the lowest ranked FBS leagues in the country

In fact MAC East is worst FBS league in country this year

http://sagarin.com/sports/cfsend.htm
Average Sagarin rating of Big 10, minus OSU and MI: 73
Average MAC rating minus Buffao: 61

Big 10 teams rated witin 7 pts/1 TD of OHIO: Rutgers, Purdue, Illinois and Maryland.

Big 10 teams ranked WORSE than Western Michigan: all of the above, plus Iowa, Nebraska, Northwestern, Minnesota, Michigan State and Indiana. This seems valid, given that Western 2-0 against these teams this year.
B44, you are in over your head here.
You're insane. You really are trying to sell me the MAC is better than the B1G or at least comparable.

And of course, why would bcat2 not be buying it and trying to re-sell it.

You're taking O$U & UM out to lower their numbers and taking UB out of MAC. WTF?!?! Yeah... That seems right.

Take WMU & UT out of MAC and run the numbers.

Freaking 5-6 Maryland is rated higher than any team in MAC minus WMU & UT.

The MAC is wildly mediocre if not arguably the worst FBS league.

The top two teams (which Ohio isn't part of) is the only thing that mildly keeps it afloat.

Having the 2nd most wins in this league the last 12 years with no MACC is absurd.

Great. We feast on the garbage to inflate our winning percentage, but don't actually win the big games that matter most.

It's become increasingly apparent that views of Ohio football are like the presidential election. Two camps on two totally different sides. Both want the best for the common good (USA or Ohio football) but just have wildly different opinions on how to get there. We'll never agree and never understand the others views. We can go back and forth for years.

Let's win in Detroit Friday so we can argue whether Tim Albin should take over for Bill Belichick and lead Pats to Super Bowl
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doubledribble
11/25/2016 9:49 AM
Bcat2...a large +1

Just remember that you are trying to reason with a couple of "haters" who continue to show their true colors with their redundant posts. Go Bobcats! Your fans are pulling for you in these next two games !
Last Edited: 11/25/2016 9:50:18 AM by doubledribble
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bshot44
11/25/2016 9:51 AM
cc-cat wrote:expand_more
Monroe - bshot44. Sounds like a fair concern. So please identify the players you feel lack the "spirit to win" - the drive and commitment to win. I have no issue calling out the coaches and their aptitude and lack of success. But I have not seen this team/the players quit on themselves or each other. So I'm interested to see who you feel lacks the "spirit to win." I'm interested who specifically you feel is out there to get a "participation" ribbon.
I'm not saying anyone on this year's team lacks that

But it was pretty obvious the previous years that was an issue. You don't lose by 28+ multiple weeks in a row in this league. Even the worst MAC teams don't do that

The participation ribbon is a direct shot at bcat2 and his "everyone played great every second of every game and tried so hard and why would you ever disagree" mentality

This program, like all others, has its issues. His inability to acknowledge ANY of them is absurd.
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bshot44
11/25/2016 9:54 AM
doubledribble wrote:expand_more
Bcat2...a large +1

Just remember that you are trying to reason with a couple of "haters" who continue to show their true colors with their redundant posts. Go Bobcats! Your fans are pulling for you in these next two games !
Yes. As a donor and season ticket holder, I'm a hater. Yes, my true colors are showing. I've wasted all these years faking my support when reality is I want Ohio to fail miserably

Gimmie a break.

The only thing I hate is people out of touch with reality on here.

You're obviously one of those.

Go sit with bcat2 at the game, wave your pompoms, hold your "I LOVE ALBIN & EVERYONE" signs and enjoy your orangeslices

Talk about redundant posts
Last Edited: 11/25/2016 10:26:08 AM by bshot44
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cc-cat
11/25/2016 9:57 AM
Uncle Wes wrote:expand_more
And while we all consider it a beautiful campus, the rural location of Athens hurts us in recruiting.
I don't see much evidence in the rural location hurting us. We're attracting students statewide at a better clip than schools in populated areas. We don't win enough football games to offset the fact that its a smaller program. Boise is remote but they won a ton of football games. They have a great offense every year.
And Virginia Tech and Clemson are both rural so there is that. But then Boise is the largest city in Idaho.

Seriously though I do not have facts to back my statement - just my opinion. I think if a kid is from urban Ohio or northern Ohio the proximity to other colleges and urban campuses make for a competitive advantage against Ohio. Exception being Columbus that is closer (as close) to here.

I do find it interesting that on the basketball side Saul has found most of his recruits in two areas: the Columbus area and rural Midwest towns.
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bshot44
11/25/2016 9:57 AM
The rural argument doesn't hold water. We have the talent to win the MAC... have so many years. Why can't coaches coach them up and win a league title? Maybe Friday that changes, but I'm not holding my breath. Seen these ineffective game plans in big games fall flat too many times to believe otherwise
Last Edited: 11/25/2016 10:01:28 AM by bshot44
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cc-cat
11/25/2016 10:02 AM
bshot44 wrote:expand_more
[QUOTE=cc-cat]

I'm not saying anyone on this year's team lacks that

But it was pretty obvious the previous years that was an issue. You don't lose by 28+ multiple weeks in a row in this league. Even the worst MAC teams don't do that
Fair enough. Agree in TT year especially. But not this team. Regardless of what happens in Detroit.
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cc-cat
11/25/2016 10:09 AM
bshot44 wrote:expand_more
The rural argument doesn't hold water. We have the talent to win the MAC... have so many years. Why can't coaches coach them up and win a league title? Maybe Friday that changes, but I'm not holding my breath. Seen these ineffective game plans in big games fall flat too many times to believe otherwise
I'd like to hear from someone on the inside. I know that when a recruit is lost we (and every other team in the country) analyze why. I'm confident our location and rural campus is consistently identified as a reason by recruits. I know it is identified by college seniors as a reason not to attend Ohio. So it would be foolish not to see it as a factor in recruiting.

This does not mean we can not win recruits and does not mean we should not have a winning program. But location absolutely does matter.
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11/25/2016 10:12 AM
cc-cat wrote:expand_more
[QUOTE=cc-cat]

I'm not saying anyone on this year's team lacks that

But it was pretty obvious the previous years that was an issue. You don't lose by 28+ multiple weeks in a row in this league. Even the worst MAC teams don't do that
Fair enough. Agree in TT year especially. But not this team. Regardless of what happens in Detroit.
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bshot44
11/25/2016 10:16 AM
cc-cat wrote:expand_more
The rural argument doesn't hold water. We have the talent to win the MAC... have so many years. Why can't coaches coach them up and win a league title? Maybe Friday that changes, but I'm not holding my breath. Seen these ineffective game plans in big games fall flat too many times to believe otherwise
I'd like to hear from someone on the inside. I know that when a recruit is lost we (and every other team in the country) analyze why. I'm confident our location and rural campus is consistently identified as a reason by recruits. I know it is identified by college seniors as a reason not to attend Ohio. So it would be foolish not to see it as a factor in recruiting.

This does not mean we can not win recruits and does not mean we should not have a winning program. But location absolutely does matter.
I think location definitely matters, but just as much as it does "recruiting" non student athletes.

Bring in people who want to be here.

There are good players who would love to play in Athens. We have a lot of them. Puzzling how that hasn't led to a championship, isn't it?
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Recovering Journalist
11/25/2016 10:22 AM
I don't buy the rural argument. Mount Pleasant is at least as remote as Athens, and DeKalb is surrounded by cornfields. Many of our MAC peers "suffer" with rural locations, but have championships.

Ohio University is one of the only state schools in Ohio that's growing. Some of our in-state rivals have serious institutional problems due to enrollment. Students in general are choosing Ohio over most of its peers.

Athletes choose schools first and foremost based on the staff that will coach them. Facilities are a significant factor after that. Other stuff plays a factor, and for some kids a significant factor, but generally not nearly as much as those two.
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allen
11/25/2016 10:25 AM
L.C. wrote:expand_more
We spend the most money, we have had the same coaching staff for 12 years. Why shouldn't we be? We are in one of the best states for recruiting. Academically, Toledo is a joke. We lose because of our schemes, our conservative play-calling and mediocre thinking. The players come here to win and they deserve the best chance, they don't come to be be bowl eligible.

I thought Ohio's spending about average in the MAC.

I agree that Toledo is a joke academically, however, the fact that they take take partial qualifiers (i.e. non-qualifiers), while Ohio sends them to Juco gives them a significant advantage. Consider Roberts, who verballed to Ohio, didn't qualify, and then went to Toledo where he didn't need to qualify.

I disagree with the rest, though. I'd say that Ohio wins without the best athletes because of conservative play calling.
The players don't come to win? We have not had coaching stability? Our schemes are not bad?
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allen
11/25/2016 10:26 AM
Uncle Wes wrote:expand_more
And while we all consider it a beautiful campus, the rural location of Athens hurts us in recruiting.
I don't see much evidence in the rural location hurting us. We're attracting students statewide at a better clip than schools in populated areas. We don't win enough football games to offset the fact that its a smaller program. Boise is remote but they won a ton of football games. They have a great offense every year.
Thank you, nuff said
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cc-cat
11/25/2016 10:35 AM
No one is using location as an excuse. But it is a challenge. Yes recruit those that want to be here. Obviously. And target those that you have the best chance of attracting. I work with a college on application recruitment. We know our historical yield by high school AND by neighborhood that attends each high school.

Again. I think Saul has his foundational footprint in mind. We will continue to see a strong push in Columbus and rural Midwest. Not excluding others. But you fish where they are most likely to bite.
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TWT
11/25/2016 11:56 AM
cc-cat wrote:expand_more
And while we all consider it a beautiful campus, the rural location of Athens hurts us in recruiting.
I don't see much evidence in the rural location hurting us. We're attracting students statewide at a better clip than schools in populated areas. We don't win enough football games to offset the fact that its a smaller program. Boise is remote but they won a ton of football games. They have a great offense every year.
And Virginia Tech and Clemson are both rural so there is that. But then Boise is the largest city in Idaho.
Virginia Tech is a unique case of a smaller program that was able to make itself into a big boy program. Isolation helped them build a good fanbase to be able to afford Beamer and play a major schedule. They didn't have Ohio State or Notre Dame an hour away from campus historical juggernaut. With Beamer out of there the top players of the state are choosing to play elsewhere and attendance is dipping. If you are a recruit in California Boise might as well be a trip to the moon but players are doing it because of the tradition. If Ohio State didn't exist and the state was a traditional flyover in college football circles as Virginia is then Ohio would have developed into a bigger football school. Still there is so much football talent in state that going 10-2 every year can attract a higher percentage of it.
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11/25/2016 12:23 PM
Recovering Journalist wrote:expand_more
Athletes choose schools first and foremost based on the staff that will coach them. Facilities are a significant factor after that. Other stuff plays a factor, and for some kids a significant factor, but generally not nearly as much as those two.
Any school can say it has good academics and a nice campus but in Ohio's case it is an above and beyond factor especially versus the G5 peers. Maxwell is majoring in electrical engineering, something not on the menu at most G5 schools. Sports administration the journalism school are the best in the country. That Ohio is a major state school and not a regional college helps. That is what the MAC thought when it was adding UMass that academics would be positive factor in performance. That doesn't work too well if the in-state talent is poor. Virginia Tech was able to attract talented kids from the Tidewater area to Blacksburg, 4-5 hours away because it was a major in-state school.
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Monroe Slavin
11/25/2016 12:37 PM
First, any excuse for no MACC--if you're willing to accept that for years and years, even as you revere the coaching staff.

In contrast, some of us view more objectively. So, I was wholeheartedly (probably more than anyone on this board) on this staff's side...until about a year after the 7-0 start, then loss to Miami, when it became evident that Mediocre had taken up permanent residence.



Colin Cowherd, who's a pretty smart guy and a very good entertainer (even if most of you will deny despite his obvious success in achieving in national platforms on radio and video) did a segment earlier this week about the effect of coaching on teams. Basically, some teams are inspired by their coaching staffs such that they have a spiritual, psychological, strategic advantage. Some players, in contrast, don't have that faith in their staff and so, not much confidence on the field.

That's what I was saying about our coaching. I wasn't pointing a finger at the players at all. (Proving, as usual, that too many of you see what you want to see, not what I write.)
Last Edited: 11/25/2016 12:39:07 PM by Monroe Slavin
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Monroe Slavin
11/25/2016 12:44 PM
Staff at any business knows whether the boss/management inspires or dis-spirits.

Amazing win at Peden over Pitt on national TV. INCREDIBLY inspiring.

Last four or so years filled with big losses and struggles against cupcakes...and UTMs...not so inspiring.


Hey, point me to all those wins over the last four years in which this staff showed its leadership. I'll give you Toledo this year. You gotta give me almost every game over the last four years.

Players know.


Here's one for you: The Bowling Green debacle at Peden about four years ago. Most remember it as the 'punting problems' game.

Our offense basically got to the line of scrimmage and then TT and almost everyone else on so many plays looked toward the sidelines, for long seconds before the snap. You could see the uncertainty, confusion, disagreement.

I sat adjacent to moderator TT at that game. We spoke for a few moments at half time. He agreed it looked so bad.

Unspiring = uninspired.
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Monroe Slavin
11/25/2016 12:47 PM
CA Bobcat wrote:expand_more
Try actually attending an OHIO football game in person sometime and giving to the program you expect to be consistent world beaters. It takes money to make shit happen. Pounding your keyboard on autopilot doesn't cut it.
You can say a lot of things about Monroe, but if you think he doesn't financially support this program more than almost anyone on this board, you're woefully uninformed.
Because you have a running tally going? If so, then you know that OHIO is overachieving on the field/court relative to donor support. For such a beloved university, many don't show it in the way of $$$.

The lack of donations is regrettable. I've posted that over the years.

Overachieving--that's preposterous.


But you certainly are correct that opinions here should only be valued based on one's contributions.


Good thought with contributions is a good thought. Good thought without contributions is not a good thought.
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allen
11/25/2016 12:49 PM
We are in a football state where a lot of players come from a rural areas in Ohio. We have a history and former head coaches in the Cleveland and Columbus area. We have had all types of people come here, Blair Brown came from LA. Let's end the rural excuse. Let's not have excuses for being mediocre. So as a man thinketh so is he (Proverbs 4)
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TWT
11/25/2016 12:51 PM
We swept the in-state Ohio schools for the first time since 1968 and won the division title for the first time since 2011. Since the end of 2014 we've been in a mild upward trend. No double digit losses this year. I don't understand the point of crying about a blowout loss from 4 years ago as its not too relevant to where the program is at the moment.
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