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11/25/2016 1:25 PM
Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
That's what I was saying about our coaching. I wasn't pointing a finger at the players at all. (Proving, as usual, that too many of you see what you want to see, not what I write.)
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More simply, our guys lack winning spirit because our staff leaves them less than confident.
Sorry to interpret as you saying our players lack winning spirit. Not sure how I could have misread that.
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11/25/2016 1:29 PM
Uncle Wes wrote:expand_more
Nobody is defining what big in football could be. What Solich has done in Athens has respect in football circles but hasn't been enough to define our brand nationally.
We have no football brand nationally and most likely never will. Do not point to Boise. Their financial investment in football is a pipe dream for Ohio.

Like it or not, our "national" brand is currently Frank. And that is diminished each year, not be his lack of MACC, but because Nebraska is now light years ago.
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TheBobcatBandit
11/25/2016 1:57 PM
Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
Last four or so years filled with big losses and struggles against cupcakes...and UTMs...not so inspiring.


Hey, point me to all those wins over the last four years in which this staff showed its leadership. I'll give you Toledo this year. You gotta give me almost every game over the last four years.
Hmmm I can think of a few that you are just ignoring on purpose or forgot about. You mention Toledo this year in addition to that....

In 2015 we had big wins over 10-3 rival Marshall and 8-6 NIU.
In 2014 I'll admit we really didn't have any quality wins.
In 2013 we had good wins over rival 10-4 Marshall and 9-4 North Texas.
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L.C.
11/25/2016 2:39 PM
I can think of some nice wins over Marshall and Louisiana Monroe during that time, too.

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The players don't come to win? We have not had coaching stability? Our schemes are not bad?

Of course they come to win. However, if you follow recruiting, Ohio does not have the top classes in the MAC. Those, in recent years, have belonged to WMU, Toledo, BG, NIU, and Miami. Ohio wins, not because they have the best athletes, but because they use what they have well, and because the players work hard and develop.

The mystery for me continues to be why recruiting has improved so slowly. Each year it gets better, but not at as fast as I (or Casper) would like to see. Is it because it is rural? Facilities? The fact that unlike some schools like Toledo, they don't take non qualifiers? I don't claim to know the answer, and no one else on BA seems to, either. If I had to guess, my guess is that SE Ohio produces less Division I athletes than the other parts of the state, and therefore Ohio has to try to recruit kids instate out from under the noses of other schools.
Last Edited: 11/25/2016 2:48:39 PM by L.C.
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Monroe Slavin
11/25/2016 2:54 PM
Because this staff can't recruit. In part because of such as we're boring and we've had years of crashing losses and such as, in the two most important games in years, losing to a bad CMU and barely beating a bad Akron.


For how long are you going to ignore the obvious.

Else, if Solich is the very fine coach that you think he is, explain the mostly mediocre over the last four years and a record built on cupcakes.

I can do this longer than you can be willfully ignoring.
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Monroe Slavin
11/25/2016 3:09 PM
TheBobcatBandit wrote:expand_more
Last four or so years filled with big losses and struggles against cupcakes...and UTMs...not so inspiring.


Hey, point me to all those wins over the last four years in which this staff showed its leadership. I'll give you Toledo this year. You gotta give me almost every game over the last four years.
Hmmm I can think of a few that you are just ignoring on purpose or forgot about. You mention Toledo this year in addition to that....

In 2015 we had big wins over 10-3 rival Marshall and 8-6 NIU.
In 2014 I'll admit we really didn't have any quality wins.
In 2013 we had good wins over rival 10-4 Marshall and 9-4 North Texas.
2015...So, we beat an 8-6 team? How about WMU 14-49, Beefs 17-41, BG 24-62. OF course, we did beat Idaho (finished 4-8), SE Lousiana (4-7 and FBS, right?), Miami (3-9), Kent (3-9), Ball State (3-9). That's 3 crashing losses and about six cupcake wins.

I'll you looks up 2014, 2013 and 2012 and see so much more of the same.

If you want to go around thinking the world is flat, have at it!
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allen
11/25/2016 4:17 PM
L.C. wrote:expand_more
I can think of some nice wins over Marshall and Louisiana Monroe during that time, too.

The players don't come to win? We have not had coaching stability? Our schemes are not bad?

Of course they come to win. However, if you follow recruiting, Ohio does not have the top classes in the MAC. Those, in recent years, have belonged to WMU, Toledo, BG, NIU, and Miami. Ohio wins, not because they have the best athletes, but because they use what they have well, and because the players work hard and develop.

The mystery for me continues to be why recruiting has improved so slowly. Each year it gets better, but not at as fast as I (or Casper) would like to see. Is it because it is rural? Facilities? The fact that unlike some schools like Toledo, they don't take non qualifiers? I don't claim to know the answer, and no one else on BA seems to, either. If I had to guess, my guess is that SE Ohio produces less Division I athletes than the other parts of the state, and therefore Ohio has to try to recruit kids instate out from under the noses of other schools.
it's the scheme and them telling players they will have to redshirt.Lewis loved Ohio, but he knew we were a run, run pass team, so he chose bgsu. QB's see the same thing. The coaches have not been winning in the living room. For thee or four straight years they brought in a bunch of two stars and three or four nonqualifiers, all thenonqualifiers were the highest rated recruits. They should have the best corner class in the MAC. If I were a recruit and saw my competition and saw someone like Hagan who will garner some freshmen all-american votes. I would sign. We should have a great wide receiver class, our wide receivers outside of Papi could not create great separation. I would have the QB's call WR's. The tight end position should be up for grabs, go and get a good JUCo that can run and let him know he will get some balls, our current tight ends are not that fast and have had drops. Sell the program, sell playing time. Stop making excuses. If a JUCO corner has offers from Ohio and Purdue, ask why be depth there when you can start here. We lost all those corners last year, one going to the NFL and recruited only one that could play right away and he was marginal (London Miller). This year they got Drew Keszei because they told him there was one senior graduating and he could compete for the position against Moloney. You have to sell playing time. Our Wide Receiver coach has coached multiple first round picks, we should be getting WR's all day.
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TheBobcatBandit
11/25/2016 5:05 PM
Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
Last four or so years filled with big losses and struggles against cupcakes...and UTMs...not so inspiring.


Hey, point me to all those wins over the last four years in which this staff showed its leadership. I'll give you Toledo this year. You gotta give me almost every game over the last four years.
Hmmm I can think of a few that you are just ignoring on purpose or forgot about. You mention Toledo this year in addition to that....

In 2015 we had big wins over 10-3 rival Marshall and 8-6 NIU.
In 2014 I'll admit we really didn't have any quality wins.
In 2013 we had good wins over rival 10-4 Marshall and 9-4 North Texas.
2015...So, we beat an 8-6 team? How about WMU 14-49, Beefs 17-41, BG 24-62. OF course, we did beat Idaho (finished 4-8), SE Lousiana (4-7 and FBS, right?), Miami (3-9), Kent (3-9), Ball State (3-9). That's 3 crashing losses and about six cupcake wins.

I'll you looks up 2014, 2013 and 2012 and see so much more of the same.

If you want to go around thinking the world is flat, have at it!
Way to completely ignore my point. The fact is you tried to act like the only good win we had was against Toledo the past 4 years and that's simply not true. Even taking out NIU that's still 3 wins you're ignoring. I'm not saying we have been perfect but don't make a b.s point about how our only good win is against Toledo to support your argument. I think if we go back further you will find more good wins. Penn State, Temple, and our bowl wins come to mind just off the top of my head. Yeah our other wins are against sub par teams but we're in the MAC... Our schedule is going to have a lot of cupcakes on it and for the most part we have won those cup cake games.
Last Edited: 11/25/2016 5:06:25 PM by TheBobcatBandit
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TWT
11/25/2016 5:18 PM
cc-cat wrote:expand_more
Nobody is defining what big in football could be. What Solich has done in Athens has respect in football circles but hasn't been enough to define our brand nationally.
We have no football brand nationally and most likely never will. Do not point to Boise. Their financial investment in football is a pipe dream for Ohio.
Boise's financial investment is the gold standard. They were drawing about the same as Ohio with the same revenue streams that we have before they started rolling off 10+ win seasons. Albertson's has a 12.5 million, 15 year sponsorship for the naming rights of Bronco Stadium, something Schaus has shopped for. Donations at Boise are flowing about 10 million per year. They've had a very good team for 15 years and at their peak challenged for a national championship. All of this would be entirely possible at Ohio if we had a very good team which starts with a productive offense. Frank has a winning record in his 12 years at Ohio and he's done it with an offense that's averaged in the bottom 3rd of FBS in those 12 years. It's an average coaching staff at best.
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11/25/2016 5:25 PM
allen wrote:expand_more
I can think of some nice wins over Marshall and Louisiana Monroe during that time, too.

The players don't come to win? We have not had coaching stability? Our schemes are not bad?

Of course they come to win. However, if you follow recruiting, Ohio does not have the top classes in the MAC. Those, in recent years, have belonged to WMU, Toledo, BG, NIU, and Miami. Ohio wins, not because they have the best athletes, but because they use what they have well, and because the players work hard and develop.

The mystery for me continues to be why recruiting has improved so slowly. Each year it gets better, but not at as fast as I (or Casper) would like to see. Is it because it is rural? Facilities? The fact that unlike some schools like Toledo, they don't take non qualifiers? I don't claim to know the answer, and no one else on BA seems to, either. If I had to guess, my guess is that SE Ohio produces less Division I athletes than the other parts of the state, and therefore Ohio has to try to recruit kids instate out from under the noses of other schools.
it's the scheme and them telling players they will have to redshirt.Lewis loved Ohio, but he knew we were a run, run pass team, so he chose bgsu. QB's see the same thing. The coaches have not been winning in the living room. For thee or four straight years they brought in a bunch of two stars and three or four nonqualifiers, all thenonqualifiers were the highest rated recruits. They should have the best corner class in the MAC. If I were a recruit and saw my competition and saw someone like Hagan who will garner some freshmen all-american votes. I would sign. We should have a great wide receiver class, our wide receivers outside of Papi could not create great separation. I would have the QB's call WR's. The tight end position should be up for grabs, go and get a good JUCo that can run and let him know he will get some balls, our current tight ends are not that fast and have had drops. Sell the program, sell playing time. Stop making excuses. If a JUCO corner has offers from Ohio and Purdue, ask why be depth there when you can start here. We lost all those corners last year, one going to the NFL and recruited only one that could play right away and he was marginal (London Miller). This year they got Drew Keszei because they told him there was one senior graduating and he could compete for the position against Moloney. You have to sell playing time. Our Wide Receiver coach has coached multiple first round picks, we should be getting WR's all day.
Offensive numbers have been poor consistently for 12 seasons. Defense is usually good but that is more reflective of the strong in-state talent than coaching. Some of the worst all time Ohio teams had a decent defense. The answer is to bring in a coach that excels in offense and wins a lot of games. Then recruiting will take care of itself.
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Monroe Slavin
11/25/2016 11:42 PM
TheBobcatBandit wrote:expand_more
Last four or so years filled with big losses and struggles against cupcakes...and UTMs...not so inspiring.


Hey, point me to all those wins over the last four years in which this staff showed its leadership. I'll give you Toledo this year. You gotta give me almost every game over the last four years.
Hmmm I can think of a few that you are just ignoring on purpose or forgot about. You mention Toledo this year in addition to that....

In 2015 we had big wins over 10-3 rival Marshall and 8-6 NIU.
In 2014 I'll admit we really didn't have any quality wins.
In 2013 we had good wins over rival 10-4 Marshall and 9-4 North Texas.
2015...So, we beat an 8-6 team? How about WMU 14-49, Beefs 17-41, BG 24-62. OF course, we did beat Idaho (finished 4-8), SE Lousiana (4-7 and FBS, right?), Miami (3-9), Kent (3-9), Ball State (3-9). That's 3 crashing losses and about six cupcake wins.

I'll you looks up 2014, 2013 and 2012 and see so much more of the same.

If you want to go around thinking the world is flat, have at it!
Way to completely ignore my point. The fact is you tried to act like the only good win we had was against Toledo the past 4 years and that's simply not true. Even taking out NIU that's still 3 wins you're ignoring. I'm not saying we have been perfect but don't make a b.s point about how our only good win is against Toledo to support your argument. I think if we go back further you will find more good wins. Penn State, Temple, and our bowl wins come to mind just off the top of my head. Yeah our other wins are against sub par teams but we're in the MAC... Our schedule is going to have a lot of cupcakes on it and for the most part we have won those cup cake games.

What

mostly many years ago

and not many signature wins

but a lot of significant spankings


ever.
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Jeff McKinney
11/26/2016 12:32 AM
Uncle Wes wrote:expand_more
Nobody is defining what big in football could be. What Solich has done in Athens has respect in football circles but hasn't been enough to define our brand nationally.
We have no football brand nationally and most likely never will. Do not point to Boise. Their financial investment in football is a pipe dream for Ohio.
Boise's financial investment is the gold standard. They were drawing about the same as Ohio with the same revenue streams that we have before they started rolling off 10+ win seasons. Albertson's has a 12.5 million, 15 year sponsorship for the naming rights of Bronco Stadium, something Schaus has shopped for. Donations at Boise are flowing about 10 million per year. They've had a very good team for 15 years and at their peak challenged for a national championship. All of this would be entirely possible at Ohio if we had a very good team which starts with a productive offense. Frank has a winning record in his 12 years at Ohio and he's done it with an offense that's averaged in the bottom 3rd of FBS in those 12 years. It's an average coaching staff at best.
Uncle Wes, I hate to break the news to you, but what's happened at Boise is NOT "entirely possible" at Ohio. The financial base simply isn't there, partly due to a lack of significant corporate presence.
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CA Bobcat
11/26/2016 2:30 PM
Jeff McKinney wrote:expand_more
Nobody is defining what big in football could be. What Solich has done in Athens has respect in football circles but hasn't been enough to define our brand nationally.
We have no football brand nationally and most likely never will. Do not point to Boise. Their financial investment in football is a pipe dream for Ohio.
Boise's financial investment is the gold standard. They were drawing about the same as Ohio with the same revenue streams that we have before they started rolling off 10+ win seasons. Albertson's has a 12.5 million, 15 year sponsorship for the naming rights of Bronco Stadium, something Schaus has shopped for. Donations at Boise are flowing about 10 million per year. They've had a very good team for 15 years and at their peak challenged for a national championship. All of this would be entirely possible at Ohio if we had a very good team which starts with a productive offense. Frank has a winning record in his 12 years at Ohio and he's done it with an offense that's averaged in the bottom 3rd of FBS in those 12 years. It's an average coaching staff at best.
Uncle Wes, I hate to break the news to you, but what's happened at Boise is NOT "entirely possible" at Ohio. The financial base simply isn't there, partly due to a lack of significant corporate presence.
It's a lack of donor presence. Corporate presence will find its way once you have large scale winning.
Last Edited: 11/26/2016 2:31:48 PM by CA Bobcat
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