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The Situation
11/23/2016 7:29 AM
Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
How anyone could watch our last two games...key games for us with so much at stake...and think we're any good is beyond me.
If a team isn't "any good" but they win the MAC Championship, will the game still count?
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Urban Bobcat
11/23/2016 8:34 AM
After the last two games maybe the pitch for the game should be.

MAC EAST CHAMPS, "join the slaughter in Detroit."

I am afraid we are going to face a WMU team that is looking to make a statement to the country or a pissed off Toledo team.

I am sincerely happy we are finally back in the MACC and hope and pray we find our A game.
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bshot44
11/23/2016 8:37 AM
GoCats105 wrote:expand_more
We're in the big game. All of you prognosticators and Nostradamus wannabes try to enjoy the victory. That's why we play the games.

+1
One more game just like this will be fine with me.

You're talking about the bowl game here right L.C.?

We'll have one more game between now and then.

Why depress everyone? Competing with Akron with its 3rd string qb who was a receiver two weeks ago and we dump that performance what we did tonight. Why do you have such low hopes/expectations for us?

So, they had a high school QB, converted to WR, and converted back, and Ohio had no healthy running backs. We'd have been using a safety converted to RB if he didn't have a broken arm. Injuries aren't an excuse, right? Or, can the foes use them, but we can't, I forget? Either way, you've got to win, and Ohio did.
Brown had 14 carries and Irons had 11. Papi had 6 touches. They don't seem very injured to me. From what I could tell, the offensive line wasn't getting any push whatsoever.
Dogs**t playcalling too. Plus inability to put together any semblance of an adequate passing game to keep them from stacking the box.

If 2009 Temple was a lot of fans favorite win, this has to be least favorite. That was one of the most frustrating, ugly football games I've ever watched.

I almost feel dirty for saying we won. But it's a win and I'll see you in Detroit. Let's just hope we can actually score a TD. Thank god Ford Field serves beer. Going to need a lot to watch another Albin masterpiece.
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bshot44
11/23/2016 8:54 AM
Bcat2 wrote:expand_more
He's the one comparing Tim Albin to Texas' OC saying Albin is better. But I'm the one that needs to get a grip.

Ok.

Got it.

Actually, no. It was Allen that started the comparison, saying that Ohio should hire the Texas OC. Bcat2 gave a legitimate observation that the Texas fans are not very happy with their OC, and that against a common opponent, Kansas, Ohio put more points on the board, and did it with presumably less talent. I can't argue with that.

Let's put the regular bickering aside for a few hours. Go Bobcats. Beat the ovetshoes.
I agree. The bickering is getting old when we rehash the same argument. But I'm going to defend myself here.

This is what bcat2 fired away with, unprovoked in a different thread.

The accomplishment yesterday was inspiring a 1 win Kansas roster which even lost to Monroe's & B44's "mediocre" Ohio to beat the state of Texas's lead program.
Bcat2 did try to compare the two, going to the degree of saying Texas would rather have Albin

Likely Texas fans would swap for Albin right now.
And then proceeded to back it up with, of all things the Texas State game where Ohio scored 3 points in the first half under Albin's leadership

B44. Hold your focus please. We are discussing the OCs here. Vs Texas State Albin's play calling scored 54, racked up 630 yards averaging 6.3 per play over 97 plays. Texas State was not on Albin
I've done my best to ignore his remarks most of the season, but when he calls me out, I'm going to respond.

Plenty of blame to go around, but I just want the facts to be clear.

In closing, yes... Go Cats! Beat the hell outta those damn kangaroos tomorrow night.

I want to drink at Ford Field next Friday
And who was it that brought up Texas State?

I did! I have no problem admitting that. Ohio's offensive showing vs TxSt, especially in the 1H was dreadful. 3 pts vs that team?

For you to say Texas would rather have Albin as an OC is absurd. Part of a long line of your blind support of this coaching staff no matter their shortcomings and deficiencies.

Let's hope they open things up tomorrow vs an Akron team they should have their way with.
Right. Scoring 54, 630 yards averaging 6.3 per play over 97 plays = "dreadful."

Again, you want to hang the Texas State loss on Albin, me, not buying the crap you are selling.

Again, go ahead find a Texas fan who prefers their OT 21 points to Ohio's 37 which, would have been a win. Again, me, not buying what you are selling. Lived there. In Texas, losing to Kansas, one of those things that wipes away all the atta-boys you have built up. Just focusing on the points you are making.

We lost to Texas State.


The only other team that can say that is Incarnate Word.


Case closed.


Enough out of you.
Yes Ohio lost, however, who gets thrown under the bus? You have chosen Albin who put up a "dreadful" 54 points, 630 yards and averaged 6.3 per play over 97 plays. No wonder your football cred is what it is.
Hey buuuuuuuddddd.

Your football cred is dead on. Albin dialed up a gem against the 120th best defense in the country.

9 points! Man they should've taken their foot off the gas and saved some for Detroit.

I'm sure Texas picked up the phone to call Albin immediately. Emergency Longhorn booster meeting to get the funds in order for him.

The only thing worse than that game are your message board posts.
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GoCats105
11/23/2016 8:59 AM
Just for funsies:

The WMU fans WANT Ohio and not red hot Miami.

http://csnbbs.com/thread-799700.html
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Deciduous Forest Cat
11/23/2016 9:38 AM
Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
If I'm a recruit considering OHIO and I saw tonight's game vs. Akron,





#setfootballbackdecades
And what if you were a recruit considering Akron?? Because that's who we're competing with for recruits. And if I play on the defensive side of the ball, I'm excited.

Why depress everyone? Competing with Akron with its 3rd string qb who was a receiver two weeks ago and we dump that performance what we did tonight. Why do you have such low hopes/expectations for us?
Sorry, Monroe, Injuries don't matter. Akron has to adjust. Same team that scored 60 on Marshall. Exactly the same.
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Bcat2
11/23/2016 9:50 AM
Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:expand_more
If I'm a recruit considering OHIO and I saw tonight's game vs. Akron,





#setfootballbackdecades
And what if you were a recruit considering Akron?? Because that's who we're competing with for recruits. And if I play on the defensive side of the ball, I'm excited.

Why depress everyone? Competing with Akron with its 3rd string qb who was a receiver two weeks ago and we dump that performance what we did tonight. Why do you have such low hopes/expectations for us?
Sorry, Monroe, Injuries don't matter. Akron has to adjust. Same team that scored 60 on Marshall. Exactly the same.
No excuses. :)
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rpbobcat
11/23/2016 10:04 AM
There's been a lot of criticism on this thread about the play calling last night.

I was only able to watch the first half,so my comments are based on that.

What I saw was an offensive line not opening up holes and a QB missing open receivers.

At the start of the game it looked like the plan was to use the pass to open up the running game.But when you can't complete passes you have to rely on the run.

That limits your play calling options.
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Monroe Slavin
11/23/2016 10:07 AM
Bcat2 wrote:expand_more
If I'm a recruit considering OHIO and I saw tonight's game vs. Akron,





#setfootballbackdecades
And what if you were a recruit considering Akron?? Because that's who we're competing with for recruits. And if I play on the defensive side of the ball, I'm excited.

Why depress everyone? Competing with Akron with its 3rd string qb who was a receiver two weeks ago and we dump that performance what we did tonight. Why do you have such low hopes/expectations for us?
Sorry, Monroe, Injuries don't matter. Akron has to adjust. Same team that scored 60 on Marshall. Exactly the same.
No excuses. :)

That's exactly correct. In its most important game of the year, there was no excuse for OHIO's performance last night.
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Monroe Slavin
11/23/2016 10:07 AM
bshot44 wrote:expand_more
He's the one comparing Tim Albin to Texas' OC saying Albin is better. But I'm the one that needs to get a grip.

Ok.

Got it.

Actually, no. It was Allen that started the comparison, saying that Ohio should hire the Texas OC. Bcat2 gave a legitimate observation that the Texas fans are not very happy with their OC, and that against a common opponent, Kansas, Ohio put more points on the board, and did it with presumably less talent. I can't argue with that.

Let's put the regular bickering aside for a few hours. Go Bobcats. Beat the ovetshoes.
I agree. The bickering is getting old when we rehash the same argument. But I'm going to defend myself here.

This is what bcat2 fired away with, unprovoked in a different thread.

The accomplishment yesterday was inspiring a 1 win Kansas roster which even lost to Monroe's & B44's "mediocre" Ohio to beat the state of Texas's lead program.
Bcat2 did try to compare the two, going to the degree of saying Texas would rather have Albin

Likely Texas fans would swap for Albin right now.
And then proceeded to back it up with, of all things the Texas State game where Ohio scored 3 points in the first half under Albin's leadership

B44. Hold your focus please. We are discussing the OCs here. Vs Texas State Albin's play calling scored 54, racked up 630 yards averaging 6.3 per play over 97 plays. Texas State was not on Albin
I've done my best to ignore his remarks most of the season, but when he calls me out, I'm going to respond.

Plenty of blame to go around, but I just want the facts to be clear.

In closing, yes... Go Cats! Beat the hell outta those damn kangaroos tomorrow night.

I want to drink at Ford Field next Friday
And who was it that brought up Texas State?

I did! I have no problem admitting that. Ohio's offensive showing vs TxSt, especially in the 1H was dreadful. 3 pts vs that team?

For you to say Texas would rather have Albin as an OC is absurd. Part of a long line of your blind support of this coaching staff no matter their shortcomings and deficiencies.

Let's hope they open things up tomorrow vs an Akron team they should have their way with.
Right. Scoring 54, 630 yards averaging 6.3 per play over 97 plays = "dreadful."

Again, you want to hang the Texas State loss on Albin, me, not buying the crap you are selling.

Again, go ahead find a Texas fan who prefers their OT 21 points to Ohio's 37 which, would have been a win. Again, me, not buying what you are selling. Lived there. In Texas, losing to Kansas, one of those things that wipes away all the atta-boys you have built up. Just focusing on the points you are making.

We lost to Texas State.


The only other team that can say that is Incarnate Word.


Case closed.


Enough out of you.
Yes Ohio lost, however, who gets thrown under the bus? You have chosen Albin who put up a "dreadful" 54 points, 630 yards and averaged 6.3 per play over 97 plays. No wonder your football cred is what it is.
Hey buuuuuuuddddd.

Your football cred is dead on. Albin dialed up a gem against the 120th best defense in the country.

9 points! Man they should've taken their foot off the gas and saved some for Detroit.

I'm sure Texas picked up the phone to call Albin immediately. Emergency Longhorn booster meeting to get the funds in order for him.

The only thing worse than that game are your message board posts.

Keep on it.
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11/23/2016 10:10 AM

 

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Pataskala
11/23/2016 10:55 AM
Ted Thompson wrote:expand_more
Congratulations to the Athletics Dept for coming up with an 11-minute recap video of a game where the only scoring was four FGs.
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Robert Fox
11/23/2016 11:07 AM
C Money wrote:expand_more
Just home from the game. Thoughts:
1. That was the worst game I have ever watched where I am still happy with the outcome.
2. I think both 4th down attempts were the right calls. In hindsight, kicking the FG was the better choice, but it's Senior Night and you're playing for the division title. I like playing with an attitude. I didn't even hate the playcalls, either.
3. I don't understand why we can't get a better push from the O line.
4. How tall is Brad Ellis really? The roster lists him at 5-10, but if he's 5-10, I'm 6-4 (I'm not). That's not criticism of him, he made a couple clutch plays late. But it was obvious that Kron was targeting him due to the height advantage their receivers had, we were not giving him a lot of help over the top, and he was playing waaaay off as a result. That last Kron drive I kept having visions of him getting beat on a jump ball or burned on a dig/post with a missed tackle and no safety help. It almost happened, but it didn't, and that's good.
5. Muck Fiami.
6. Any chance our secondary gets healthy in 10 days?
7. I think we're probably the 5th best team in the conference, but that doesn't matter. Win one more game in Detroit, and we're champs.
8. I'm rooting for WMU Friday. I think we caught Toledo sleeping when we played them the first time, and I don't think it will happen again. WMU, on the other hand, might start believing their own press too much. NY6 bid a fairytale ending for the greatest MAC team ever? Pssssh....Let's ruin the fairytale.
9. Go Bobcats.
Spot on! I want to emphasize number 3. That's probably my biggest disappointment all season. I anticipated much better OL performance this year. Just didn't own the LOS especially when it really mattered (going for it on 4th).
I'll add that if Maxwell connects on a couple of his long balls, this game isn't even close. I think it was early in the second half when he badly missed Papi White for a sure TD. The ball was maybe 8 feet over Papi's head. Just a total whiff on that one. If we hit one or two of those scores, the whole game changes, and I think it could have been something like a route. Don't understand why Windham was not brought in to spell Maxwell.
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bshot44
11/23/2016 11:22 AM
Pataskala wrote:expand_more
Congratulations to the Athletics Dept for coming up with an 11-minute recap video of a game where the only scoring was four FGs.
That truly is the biggest accomplishment of the night. Wow!
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Diamond Cat
11/23/2016 11:41 AM
Robert Fox wrote:expand_more
Just home from the game. Thoughts:
1. That was the worst game I have ever watched where I am still happy with the outcome.
2. I think both 4th down attempts were the right calls. In hindsight, kicking the FG was the better choice, but it's Senior Night and you're playing for the division title. I like playing with an attitude. I didn't even hate the playcalls, either.
3. I don't understand why we can't get a better push from the O line.
4. How tall is Brad Ellis really? The roster lists him at 5-10, but if he's 5-10, I'm 6-4 (I'm not). That's not criticism of him, he made a couple clutch plays late. But it was obvious that Kron was targeting him due to the height advantage their receivers had, we were not giving him a lot of help over the top, and he was playing waaaay off as a result. That last Kron drive I kept having visions of him getting beat on a jump ball or burned on a dig/post with a missed tackle and no safety help. It almost happened, but it didn't, and that's good.
5. Muck Fiami.
6. Any chance our secondary gets healthy in 10 days?
7. I think we're probably the 5th best team in the conference, but that doesn't matter. Win one more game in Detroit, and we're champs.
8. I'm rooting for WMU Friday. I think we caught Toledo sleeping when we played them the first time, and I don't think it will happen again. WMU, on the other hand, might start believing their own press too much. NY6 bid a fairytale ending for the greatest MAC team ever? Pssssh....Let's ruin the fairytale.
9. Go Bobcats.
Spot on! I want to emphasize number 3. That's probably my biggest disappointment all season. I anticipated much better OL performance this year. Just didn't own the LOS especially when it really mattered (going for it on 4th).
I'll add that if Maxwell connects on a couple of his long balls, this game isn't even close. I think it was early in the second half when he badly missed Papi White for a sure TD. The ball was maybe 8 feet over Papi's head. Just a total whiff on that one. If we hit one or two of those scores, the whole game changes, and I think it could have been something like a route. Don't understand why Windham was not brought in to spell Maxwell.
I agree on OL. They need to find something in the next 10 days or either Team will roll us out of Ford Field. Maxwell also overthrew a wide open Ball down a deep sideline route. He couldn't have caught that if he had Gary Trent vertical leap skills.
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cc-cat
11/23/2016 12:07 PM
"Just win baby" -- Al Davis

No it wasn't pretty, but it counts. As far as posters complaining, "we faced a WR turned QB and we played like that!!" - the Defense held the WR/QB to 3 points - they did what they were supposed to do - so job well done. As far as the offense - it was not horrible - except inside the red zone and 4th down (yea, pretty important exceptions). I liked the decision to go for it on 4th down - both times - the play call and execution - not so much. The team will need to finish in our next two games in order to compete/win.

Beginning of the season five goals: go undefeated (no one expected that), beat Miami, win the East, Win the MACC, win the bowl game. Numbers 2 and 3 accomplished, 4 and 5 in reach, but we will need to play our best in ten days. Even that may not be enough. Western is a cut above everyone in the MAC (including Toledo). Fortunately, our offensive strength (run...up the middle) appears to be their weakness. One of the primary elements of our defensive game plan will be to run the ball on offense and keep them off the field. Our Defensive backfield may be our downfall. We'll see.

Good to see our running backs back on the field last night. There is a misconception that you just put the offense out there and let it run. But an offense is more like an engine - needs to cycle through a few times (and no, I do not mean a couple of quarters...it can take games) to get in sync. The injuries have retarded the growth, hopefully a week plus of practice gets them in gear.

As far as Windham, damn what a difference a few weeks makes. Last month, posters are calling him out for his play, and talking about as only a freshman he has such room to grow.

http://www.bobcatattack.com/messageboard/topic.asp?FromPa...

Now he sounds like a dumpster fire who isn't really a freshman anymore. No wonder Tregg Setty took an off-handed shot at BA posters when he joined the basketball board.

So congrats to the team (or at least, we can ALL agree congrats to the players). Goals 2 and 3 down - now go get 4 and 5.

Most here have no idea the work and sacrifice you put in year round. Many of you will not be home for Thanksgiving. Some are already scheduling off-season surgeries - so thank you.

Good luck n Detroit.
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Ted Thompson
11/23/2016 12:10 PM
Diamond Cat wrote:expand_more
Just home from the game. Thoughts:
1. That was the worst game I have ever watched where I am still happy with the outcome.
2. I think both 4th down attempts were the right calls. In hindsight, kicking the FG was the better choice, but it's Senior Night and you're playing for the division title. I like playing with an attitude. I didn't even hate the playcalls, either.
3. I don't understand why we can't get a better push from the O line.
4. How tall is Brad Ellis really? The roster lists him at 5-10, but if he's 5-10, I'm 6-4 (I'm not). That's not criticism of him, he made a couple clutch plays late. But it was obvious that Kron was targeting him due to the height advantage their receivers had, we were not giving him a lot of help over the top, and he was playing waaaay off as a result. That last Kron drive I kept having visions of him getting beat on a jump ball or burned on a dig/post with a missed tackle and no safety help. It almost happened, but it didn't, and that's good.
5. Muck Fiami.
6. Any chance our secondary gets healthy in 10 days?
7. I think we're probably the 5th best team in the conference, but that doesn't matter. Win one more game in Detroit, and we're champs.
8. I'm rooting for WMU Friday. I think we caught Toledo sleeping when we played them the first time, and I don't think it will happen again. WMU, on the other hand, might start believing their own press too much. NY6 bid a fairytale ending for the greatest MAC team ever? Pssssh....Let's ruin the fairytale.
9. Go Bobcats.
Spot on! I want to emphasize number 3. That's probably my biggest disappointment all season. I anticipated much better OL performance this year. Just didn't own the LOS especially when it really mattered (going for it on 4th).
I'll add that if Maxwell connects on a couple of his long balls, this game isn't even close. I think it was early in the second half when he badly missed Papi White for a sure TD. The ball was maybe 8 feet over Papi's head. Just a total whiff on that one. If we hit one or two of those scores, the whole game changes, and I think it could have been something like a route. Don't understand why Windham was not brought in to spell Maxwell.
I agree on OL. They need to find something in the next 10 days or either Team will roll us out of Ford Field. Maxwell also overthrew a wide open Ball down a deep sideline route. He couldn't have caught that if he had Gary Trent vertical leap skills.
On that play, I'm not so sure that Ball wasn't supposed to keep running instead of stopping the route. But there were a couple of touchdowns left on the field due to misfires. Hit a couple of those and maybe the run defense loosens up. The only way this offense can be effective is with big plays (see Toledo). Otherwise, they don't have the line play, play-calling or ball-handling to put together sustained drives.
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L.C.
11/23/2016 12:31 PM
Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
That's exactly correct. In its most important game of the year, there was no excuse for OHIO's performance last night.

Look at the bright side, Monroe. If Ohio had won by 20 you'd have had to be quiet, but this way you get ten more days of unimpeded complaining.

I love defense, myself, so you'll not see me complaining about last night. The defense has continued to improve,and has come a long way since their dismal performance against Texas State. Sure, Ohio will be a huge underdog against WMU, but when you have a solid defense, you never know.

Go Bobcats!
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Bobcat110
11/23/2016 12:57 PM
GoCats105 wrote:expand_more
Just for funsies:

The WMU fans WANT Ohio and not red hot Miami.

http://csnbbs.com/thread-799700.html
Weird stuff. I thought they were trying to impress the world to get a New Years Bowl Bid. They should be pretty confident they can beat either Miami or Ohio, so why not want to play the team that is the best in their mind?

I'm hoping we get WMU, cause they appear to me to be best team. We'll rightly be underdogs, but I think our Defense can help us hang around and hopefully have a shot at an upset late in the game. We haven't been blown out this season and the pressure will be all on WMU. If we lose, I hope WMU gets a New Years Bowl...it'd be great payday for the league.
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TheBobcatBandit
11/23/2016 1:13 PM
L.C. wrote:expand_more
That's exactly correct. In its most important game of the year, there was no excuse for OHIO's performance last night.

Look at the bright side, Monroe. If Ohio had won by 20 you'd have had to be quiet, but this way you get ten more days of unimpeded complaining.

I love defense, myself, so you'll not see me complaining about last night. The defense has continued to improve,and has come a long way since their dismal performance against Texas State. Sure, Ohio will be a huge underdog against WMU, but when you have a solid defense, you never know.

Go Bobcats!
+1

Our defense is going to keep it interesting and give us a shot no matter who we play.
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Robert Fox
11/23/2016 1:46 PM
Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
Maybe we'll surprise and get the MAC title this year. If so, I'll have a ton of words to eat.

If not, again as usual, there is no reason to have any faith other that we'll continue to mediocre muddle through with failure against the one big goal of the program.
Interesting dichotomy here. One game left. A win means Monroe has to "eat his words." A loss means, presumably, that Monroe is vindicated, that we do indeed suck, and that this coaching staff is every bit as bad as Monroe has been preaching.

All of that can be determined by this one game.

That seems reasonable.
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Monroe Slavin
11/23/2016 4:16 PM
CC--Gotta think that whoever we play in the MAC will know that 1) we run our qb a lot and 2) that we like to run the ball up the middle...and be prepared for that. (Contrast OHIO coaches who probably wouldn't figure it out or react.)

LC--If you think that we've shown over the last two games, the two most important games of the year, that we're a particularly good team, well, no. Same for this whole year.


Robert Fox--I'm allowing for one game to more-or-less redeem about 4.5 years of really impressively mediocre. The way you phrase it seems to make it seem as if the last 4.5 years are rather even and one game will redeem. They are not 'even'; they've been quite bad.
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11/23/2016 4:16 PM

 

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Robert Fox
11/23/2016 4:24 PM
Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
Robert Fox--I'm allowing for one game to more-or-less redeem about 4.5 years of really impressively mediocre. The way you phrase it seems to make it seem as if the last 4.5 years are rather even and one game will redeem. They are not 'even'; they've been quite bad.
Can't you see the irony here? You're putting it all on the outcome of one game! Just the fact they made it to this game should provide some hesitation on your part, should it not?
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L.C.
11/23/2016 5:11 PM
And yet Ohio has been bowl eligible all of those "quite bad" years. I wonder what percentage of G5 teams have been bowl eligible all four years? Taking a wild guess, I'll say 15%. If we accept for the moment that Ohio has been "quite bad", how do you describe the 85% who have been worse? Has Boise State been "acceptable"? Anyone else?
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