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Bobcat1996
2/23/2018 8:29 PM
I really think that the MAC office needs to be contacted about the November schedules. The MAC may blow you off, but if fans of this league can constantly touch base with them reminding the MAC office that they are losing their fan base, then maybe something good will happen? Of course maybe, this is wishful thinking?
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Deciduous Forest Cat
2/23/2018 9:28 PM
Do you all remember MAC football in the 80s and 90s? Were the crowds better? Worse? Was the conference advancing at breakneck speed due to always playing on Saturday? Were the teams making money hand over fist just with gate receipts at $5-7 a pop? Do you remember the old saying about a tree in the woods?

I'm really not trying to poo on the arguments of frustrated fans about the inconvenience of a Tuesday game. I get it and I hate it when I simply can't make a game. But completely ignoring the other side of the coin doesn't hold water here.

For Ohio, I see a legitimate shot at a 7-0 or 8-0 start here and a season with real buzz. If we can take Virginia and Cinci on the road, we could have some of our largest crowds ever for both parents weekend and homecoming. Keep playing well (yes, the inexplicable clunker or two will probably happen) and that buzz is going to make a great story and attention will get us better crowds even for late season Maction.
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89Cat
2/23/2018 11:57 PM
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. . . More importantly, you're eating your seed corn. Students aren't interested in cold-ass weekday night games any more than the rest of us. Even a good team faces a swath of empty seats on a Wednesday. It kills the atmosphere and it kills any chance the programs have of making football games seem like a fun activity for undergrads. You're subsequently left with fewer undergrads becoming alumni supporters. The faustian bargain is paying off now, but it is truly unsustainable in terms of getting butts in the seats.
Eating your seed corn is an excellent analogy of what the MAC is doing. It's very well put and not at all obtuse.;-) Further, your correct abut it being a Faustian bargain. And, to add another level of analogy here, the MAC is building a Potemkin village. It looks good on the outside to the casual viewer, but there's increasingly nothing there when you look beneath the façade. And, with this year's schedule it's clear that this façade is crumbling more and more each year. I'm increasingly of the opinion that our best option might, indeed, be to spearhead a brand new conference made up of the best of the MAC and the eastern most schools in the C-USA. I mentioned in another thread that a split up of C-USA has been discussed as recently as six months ago. Maybe it's a dead issue now, but it seems to me somethings got to give, as the MAC as currently constructed is not sustainable.

I Love this post simply because half of the analogies used, I learned at the great Ohio University. Anyway this schedule sucks, I am not asking for no weeknight games, just 4 home Saturday games. I do make it to the weeknight games. It just doesn't make sense to pay for my premium tickets for 3 home Saturdays since you can sit anywhere you want at the weeknight games. I can't justify paying more just to support the program. If you can that's great.
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D.A.
2/24/2018 11:20 AM
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No bueno if you are a season ticket holder and don't have to travel overnight to attend home games, muy bueno if you are a season ticket holder and have to travel to see every game. Roadies to Charlottesville, Cincy, Kzoo (for the beer!) and NIU because my employer's home office is close to Dekalb, and the ability to extend a trip to Atown for Hcoming and Balls Tate. Close with a trip home to Lancaster for THXGV and a rematch with Krackron on Black Friday, and I'll likely see more regular season games in person than I ever have. But that's just me.
Yawn to your privilege.

Interesting take, one could also interpret my post as: Isn't it nice that our program has reached an elevated point that we have some fans that are willing to travel from a place as far away as Boston to several different venues to see OHIO football for more than half of its schedule. But hey, you know what they say about opinions.
I would hardly call a program that hasn't won a league title in 50 years at an "elevated point." Yes, there have been more wins that losses the last 12 or 13 years and the atmosphere in and around a Saturday home game in Peden is lots of fun but this schedule virtually eliminates the term "travels well" for MAC fans for almost half of the season. So, since you have the ear of the AD, do the rest of us a favor and tell him that this schedule sucks.

Well I don't really spend my time telling people in other fields how to do their job, but I am fairly certain the athletic department already knows this schedule is not ideal to making the local fan base happy without my letting them know, and that likely applies to MBB scheduling as well.
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D.A.
2/24/2018 11:45 AM
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No bueno if you are a season ticket holder and don't have to travel overnight to attend home games, muy bueno if you are a season ticket holder and have to travel to see every game. Roadies to Charlottesville, Cincy, Kzoo (for the beer!) and NIU because my employer's home office is close to Dekalb, and the ability to extend a trip to Atown for Hcoming and Balls Tate. Close with a trip home to Lancaster for THXGV and a rematch with Krackron on Black Friday, and I'll likely see more regular season games in person than I ever have. But that's just me.
How is this "muy bueno" for season ticket holders who have to travel to see every game?
Thanks for asking, I'd be happy to share my point of view on the 2018 schedule. First and foremost, I'll let you know that I typically attend four to six games a year in person, and by choice, OHIO football is a very important part of my leisure time. I have learned to love the program not only because of the people in the program that I have gotten to know who I find to be high quality individuals (Russ and Rob/Matt Morton/Lou/Pete Lalich/ICA staff), but also because of the friends I have met and tailgate with, many of whom are regulars on this board (Pete/Ted/McBin and Kat/DFC/Chuck Williams/Bob Wolfinger/ and the Lancaster crew/ytown/etc). I really enjoy the camaraderie that attending games has brought to my free time and am extremely thankful for it, and all that came from engaging in OHIO football since 2005.

Additionally, my post was speaking from the "I", I wasn't trying to say any other remote season ticket holders should view the schedule from my perspective, and I tend to be a glass half full kind of guy, so here is my take on the games I highlighted:

UVA- A no brainer for me to travel to. Great college town, beautiful region of the country, excellent tailgate scene and a state named institution like us that OHIO should aspire to academically, and a game that is very winnable.

UC- Also a no brainer for me because I have friends in the area, it's a short flight, some great craft beer in the area (usually a big draw for me in traveling to games), and another opportunity to do the Bourbon Trail. A game versus a state school in an step up G5 conference that is a very winnable, so what's not to like about traveling for that.

NIU- Easy, cheap flight from BOS to ORD/MDW makes this a very appealing in and out for a day trip for me, lots of friends/coworkers in the area, great craft brew scene and I went to the last NIU game in DeKalb and enjoyed the campus pregame scene despite temps in the teens. The ability to go back in fall weather, not winter, and a matchup with a perennial west power should make for a great game.

Homecoming/Balls- Games four business days apart means only four vacation days taken, excellent time of the year, and all in Athens. No brainer.

Western- One of the last MAC stadiums I haven't been in for a game, and a matchup with a perennial west power should make for a great game. Once again, excellent craft scene for beer and cider from GR to Kzoo, and they ususally draw very well (relative to other MAC teams) for midweek games. Easy in and out to DTW, I can't wait!

Crackron- Rematch against the team that took us out of the title chase last year (should I say we took ourselves out due to all the turnovers), my company gives its employees Black Friday off for vacation, get to see family for the holiday and see a game. No brainer.

So that's just me, but I am looking forward to it.
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Pataskala
2/24/2018 6:34 PM
In about six to eight years (maybe less) most entertainment -- especially sports -- will have moved to the internet. Satellite and cable will likely be dead. ESPN will be a platform, not a channel. The money will dry up. Midweek MACtion will no longer be needed for exposure nor financially attractive. Saturday games will return. Until then, money talks.

As for coverage, if the schools provide the production team -- as has been done for b-ball -- the coverage on ESPN is much better. Unfortunately, that won't happen on ESPN's main channels.
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2/26/2018 11:09 AM
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No bueno if you are a season ticket holder and don't have to travel overnight to attend home games, muy bueno if you are a season ticket holder and have to travel to see every game. Roadies to Charlottesville, Cincy, Kzoo (for the beer!) and NIU because my employer's home office is close to Dekalb, and the ability to extend a trip to Atown for Hcoming and Balls Tate. Close with a trip home to Lancaster for THXGV and a rematch with Krackron on Black Friday, and I'll likely see more regular season games in person than I ever have. But that's just me.
How is this "muy bueno" for season ticket holders who have to travel to see every game?
Thanks for asking, I'd be happy to share my point of view on the 2018 schedule. First and foremost, I'll let you know that I typically attend four to six games a year in person, and by choice, OHIO football is a very important part of my leisure time. I have learned to love the program not only because of the people in the program that I have gotten to know who I find to be high quality individuals (Russ and Rob/Matt Morton/Lou/Pete Lalich/ICA staff), but also because of the friends I have met and tailgate with, many of whom are regulars on this board (Pete/Ted/McBin and Kat/DFC/Chuck Williams/Bob Wolfinger/ and the Lancaster crew/ytown/etc). I really enjoy the camaraderie that attending games has brought to my free time and am extremely thankful for it, and all that came from engaging in OHIO football since 2005.

Additionally, my post was speaking from the "I", I wasn't trying to say any other remote season ticket holders should view the schedule from my perspective, and I tend to be a glass half full kind of guy, so here is my take on the games I highlighted:

UVA- A no brainer for me to travel to. Great college town, beautiful region of the country, excellent tailgate scene and a state named institution like us that OHIO should aspire to academically, and a game that is very winnable.

UC- Also a no brainer for me because I have friends in the area, it's a short flight, some great craft beer in the area (usually a big draw for me in traveling to games), and another opportunity to do the Bourbon Trail. A game versus a state school in an step up G5 conference that is a very winnable, so what's not to like about traveling for that.

NIU- Easy, cheap flight from BOS to ORD/MDW makes this a very appealing in and out for a day trip for me, lots of friends/coworkers in the area, great craft brew scene and I went to the last NIU game in DeKalb and enjoyed the campus pregame scene despite temps in the teens. The ability to go back in fall weather, not winter, and a matchup with a perennial west power should make for a great game.

Homecoming/Balls- Games four business days apart means only four vacation days taken, excellent time of the year, and all in Athens. No brainer.

Western- One of the last MAC stadiums I haven't been in for a game, and a matchup with a perennial west power should make for a great game. Once again, excellent craft scene for beer and cider from GR to Kzoo, and they ususally draw very well (relative to other MAC teams) for midweek games. Easy in and out to DTW, I can't wait!

Crackron- Rematch against the team that took us out of the title chase last year (should I say we took ourselves out due to all the turnovers), my company gives its employees Black Friday off for vacation, get to see family for the holiday and see a game. No brainer.

So that's just me, but I am looking forward to it.
Sorry ... I misunderstood what you were implying when you said the schedule was "muy bueno if you are a season ticket holder and have to travel to see every game" because I am a season ticket holder who does have to travel for every game....even if it is from Columbus.

I agree ... the UVA game and UC games are solid fan-friendly road games this year.

And the MAC road schedule is pretty standard.

It's the home schedule that is truly awful.

Home game vs. FCS Howard on Labor Day Saturday.

Saturday home game vs. horrible UMass on 9/29

Then homecoming Saturday vs. BG on 10/20.

And that's it for Saturdays in Athens! It S-U-C-K-S!!! I'm sorry.

As much as I love traveling to road games .... and I have to Kansas, Tennessee, Maryland, Morgantown, Kentucky, Illinois, Minnesota, etc .... and all around the MAC ... I truly love fall Saturdays in Athens tailgating ... wandering Court St ... and taking in a football game.

And those opportunities are becoming fewer and fewer by the year in this damn league. It sucks. I'm sorry. You won't change my mind.

I know about millions of dollars in TV exposure and the ESPN contracts ... but at what point does selling out your core fanbase and students outweigh any of that???

Do you think a recruit thinks it's cool to visit Athens and Ohio U for a home game on a Wednesday and see a Peden Stadium with 6000 people in it? Can a HS recruit from outside a 2hr radius even visit for a game during a weeknight?!?!?!

Yes, you can walk into a living room and tell a recruit he'll most likely play on national TV half of the season. Great! But you'll be doing it in front of more than half-empty stadiums.

If anything, it's the total opposite in MAC basketball where you can tell recruits you can play your entire conference season on the internet ... and maybe get on TV 2 or 3 times a year once MAC play starts.

I have been on record (ad nauseam) how much I hate this deal they struck with ESPN. I understand the money is paramount ... but the logistics the league prostituted itself out for are starting to wear thin on the respective school core fanbases.

I've reached out to the MAC and voiced my displeasure and concern. (Psssst. They don't care! It's all about that almighty ESPN dollar ... they'll bend over any way ESPN wants them to for that paycheck ... and I think in the long run it will not benefit the league as much as people think.)
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Alan Swank
2/26/2018 11:35 AM
bshot44 wrote:expand_more
No bueno if you are a season ticket holder and don't have to travel overnight to attend home games, muy bueno if you are a season ticket holder and have to travel to see every game. Roadies to Charlottesville, Cincy, Kzoo (for the beer!) and NIU because my employer's home office is close to Dekalb, and the ability to extend a trip to Atown for Hcoming and Balls Tate. Close with a trip home to Lancaster for THXGV and a rematch with Krackron on Black Friday, and I'll likely see more regular season games in person than I ever have. But that's just me.
How is this "muy bueno" for season ticket holders who have to travel to see every game?
Thanks for asking, I'd be happy to share my point of view on the 2018 schedule. First and foremost, I'll let you know that I typically attend four to six games a year in person, and by choice, OHIO football is a very important part of my leisure time. I have learned to love the program not only because of the people in the program that I have gotten to know who I find to be high quality individuals (Russ and Rob/Matt Morton/Lou/Pete Lalich/ICA staff), but also because of the friends I have met and tailgate with, many of whom are regulars on this board (Pete/Ted/McBin and Kat/DFC/Chuck Williams/Bob Wolfinger/ and the Lancaster crew/ytown/etc). I really enjoy the camaraderie that attending games has brought to my free time and am extremely thankful for it, and all that came from engaging in OHIO football since 2005.

Additionally, my post was speaking from the "I", I wasn't trying to say any other remote season ticket holders should view the schedule from my perspective, and I tend to be a glass half full kind of guy, so here is my take on the games I highlighted:

UVA- A no brainer for me to travel to. Great college town, beautiful region of the country, excellent tailgate scene and a state named institution like us that OHIO should aspire to academically, and a game that is very winnable.

UC- Also a no brainer for me because I have friends in the area, it's a short flight, some great craft beer in the area (usually a big draw for me in traveling to games), and another opportunity to do the Bourbon Trail. A game versus a state school in an step up G5 conference that is a very winnable, so what's not to like about traveling for that.

NIU- Easy, cheap flight from BOS to ORD/MDW makes this a very appealing in and out for a day trip for me, lots of friends/coworkers in the area, great craft brew scene and I went to the last NIU game in DeKalb and enjoyed the campus pregame scene despite temps in the teens. The ability to go back in fall weather, not winter, and a matchup with a perennial west power should make for a great game.

Homecoming/Balls- Games four business days apart means only four vacation days taken, excellent time of the year, and all in Athens. No brainer.

Western- One of the last MAC stadiums I haven't been in for a game, and a matchup with a perennial west power should make for a great game. Once again, excellent craft scene for beer and cider from GR to Kzoo, and they ususally draw very well (relative to other MAC teams) for midweek games. Easy in and out to DTW, I can't wait!

Crackron- Rematch against the team that took us out of the title chase last year (should I say we took ourselves out due to all the turnovers), my company gives its employees Black Friday off for vacation, get to see family for the holiday and see a game. No brainer.

So that's just me, but I am looking forward to it.
Sorry ... I misunderstood what you were implying when you said the schedule was "muy bueno if you are a season ticket holder and have to travel to see every game" because I am a season ticket holder who does have to travel for every game....even if it is from Columbus.

I agree ... the UVA game and UC games are solid fan-friendly road games this year.

And the MAC road schedule is pretty standard.

It's the home schedule that is truly awful.

Home game vs. FCS Howard on Labor Day Saturday.

Saturday home game vs. horrible UMass on 9/29

Then homecoming Saturday vs. BG on 10/20.

And that's it for Saturdays in Athens! It S-U-C-K-S!!! I'm sorry.

As much as I love traveling to road games .... and I have to Kansas, Tennessee, Maryland, Morgantown, Kentucky, Illinois, Minnesota, etc .... and all around the MAC ... I truly love fall Saturdays in Athens tailgating ... wandering Court St ... and taking in a football game.

And those opportunities are becoming fewer and fewer by the year in this damn league. It sucks. I'm sorry. You won't change my mind.

I know about millions of dollars in TV exposure and the ESPN contracts ... but at what point does selling out your core fanbase and students outweigh any of that???

Do you think a recruit thinks it's cool to visit Athens and Ohio U for a home game on a Wednesday and see a Peden Stadium with 6000 people in it? Can a HS recruit from outside a 2hr radius even visit for a game during a weeknight?!?!?!

Yes, you can walk into a living room and tell a recruit he'll most likely play on national TV half of the season. Great! But you'll be doing it in front of more than half-empty stadiums.

If anything, it's the total opposite in MAC basketball where you can tell recruits you can play your entire conference season on the internet ... and maybe get on TV 2 or 3 times a year once MAC play starts.

I have been on record (ad nauseam) how much I hate this deal they struck with ESPN. I understand the money is paramount ... but the logistics the league prostituted itself out for are starting to wear thin on the respective school core fanbases.

I've reached out to the MAC and voiced my displeasure and concern. (Psssst. They don't care! It's all about that almighty ESPN dollar ... they'll bend over any way ESPN wants them to for that paycheck ... and I think in the long run it will not benefit the league as much as people think.)
Can someone explain to me how the value of media exposure benefits the university when the average age of a person watching college football on TV is 52 years of age?

https://www.statista.com/statistics/754824/tv-audience-sp... /
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bshot44
2/26/2018 11:42 AM
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Can someone explain to me how the value of media exposure benefits the university when the average age of a person watching college football on TV is 52 years of age?

https://www.statista.com/statistics/754824/tv-audience-sp... /
The irony in that was not lost on me either. If you're trying to "recruit" students ... showing them an empty stadium and saying "come enjoy the college experience of attending your school's game ... on a Wednesday night ... with 12 of your other classmates" probably doesn't help much.

I give back to my school when I feel engaged with my school. Making it difficult for me to come back to Athens and take part in what I enjoy most (Bobcat football and hoops) doesn't make me want to give back ... it actually distances me from Ohio University and makes me feel less connected.
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Pataskala
2/26/2018 12:41 PM
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Can someone explain to me how the value of media exposure benefits the university when the average age of a person watching college football on TV is 52 years of age?

https://www.statista.com/statistics/754824/tv-audience-sp... /

The focus of media exposure aimed at college-age kids should be shifting away from TV/cable/satellite and toward mobile and internet-based services. Stats from a year ago show significant increases in 18-49-year-olds watching sports on mobile devices, especially college football. http://adage.com/article/media/drinks-ho/307325 / Granted, some of this was due to a change in audience measurement. But the fact remains, the younger crowd is watching on their mobile devices. They might even be doing what I do for our ESPN3 games -- pick it up on my tablet and chromecast it to my TV. Advertisers seem to be taking note of where the younger viewers are. There are lots of youth-oriented car, electronics, etc ads on the webcasts but no testosterone-enhancement ads like you see on the regular channels.
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L.C.
2/26/2018 1:26 PM
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Can someone explain to me how the value of media exposure benefits the university when the average age of a person watching college football on TV is 52 years of age?

https://www.statista.com/statistics/754824/tv-audience-sp... /
The irony in that was not lost on me either. If you're trying to "recruit" students ... showing them an empty stadium and saying "come enjoy the college experience of attending your school's game ... on a Wednesday night ... with 12 of your other classmates" probably doesn't help much...

There seems to be a congruence of events that will substantially alter the current situation over the next decade or so. Some of them:
1. Decline of youth participation in football
2. Concern over concussions
3. Lawsuits by players who want to be deemed as employees (the NCAA argues that they are not employees, but instead, they are like slaves or prisoners https://abovethelaw.com/2018/02/ncaa-doubles-down-on-comp... /
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4. Aging fan base
5. Resistance by the general students to supporting sports with fees
6. Tighter budgets for Universities
7. Declining revenue from telecasts
8. Declining attendance

As attendance and TV revenues fall, sports will become larger drains on athletic departments, and as resistance to fees and rising tuition grows, Universities will have to make some tough decisions.
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Alan Swank
2/26/2018 2:06 PM
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Can someone explain to me how the value of media exposure benefits the university when the average age of a person watching college football on TV is 52 years of age?

https://www.statista.com/statistics/754824/tv-audience-sp... /
The irony in that was not lost on me either. If you're trying to "recruit" students ... showing them an empty stadium and saying "come enjoy the college experience of attending your school's game ... on a Wednesday night ... with 12 of your other classmates" probably doesn't help much.

I give back to my school when I feel engaged with my school. Making it difficult for me to come back to Athens and take part in what I enjoy most (Bobcat football and hoops) doesn't make me want to give back ... it actually distances me from Ohio University and makes me feel less connected.
So is this "media exposure thing" one of those statements that so many industry and university people have stated so many times that it's now become "true?" Kind of like the "front porch" moniker?
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2/26/2018 2:40 PM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
Can someone explain to me how the value of media exposure benefits the university when the average age of a person watching college football on TV is 52 years of age?

https://www.statista.com/statistics/754824/tv-audience-sp... /
The irony in that was not lost on me either. If you're trying to "recruit" students ... showing them an empty stadium and saying "come enjoy the college experience of attending your school's game ... on a Wednesday night ... with 12 of your other classmates" probably doesn't help much.

I give back to my school when I feel engaged with my school. Making it difficult for me to come back to Athens and take part in what I enjoy most (Bobcat football and hoops) doesn't make me want to give back ... it actually distances me from Ohio University and makes me feel less connected.
So is this "media exposure thing" one of those statements that so many industry and university people have stated so many times that it's now become "true?" Kind of like the "front porch" moniker?
I'm pretty sure it was included in the official athletic dept media release to "remind" folks of why they ONLY HAVE THREE SATURDAY HOME GAMES .... because most normal people will look at that schedule and will notice the absurdity. Somewhat of a justification for fisting most of their paying in-person customers.
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Buckeye to Bobcat
2/26/2018 7:22 PM
L.C. wrote:expand_more
Can someone explain to me how the value of media exposure benefits the university when the average age of a person watching college football on TV is 52 years of age?

https://www.statista.com/statistics/754824/tv-audience-sp... /
The irony in that was not lost on me either. If you're trying to "recruit" students ... showing them an empty stadium and saying "come enjoy the college experience of attending your school's game ... on a Wednesday night ... with 12 of your other classmates" probably doesn't help much...

There seems to be a congruence of events that will substantially alter the current situation over the next decade or so. Some of them:
1. Decline of youth participation in football
2. Concern over concussions
3. Lawsuits by players who want to be deemed as employees (the NCAA argues that they are not employees, but instead, they are like slaves or prisoners https://abovethelaw.com/2018/02/ncaa-doubles-down-on-comp... /
)
4. Aging fan base
5. Resistance by the general students to supporting sports with fees
6. Tighter budgets for Universities
7. Declining revenue from telecasts
8. Declining attendance

As attendance and TV revenues fall, sports will become larger drains on athletic departments, and as resistance to fees and rising tuition grows, Universities will have to make some tough decisions.
I feel like this post can be summed up simply by saying "the cost to play has gone up, therefore we must jack up prices to match said statement. I've gotten to the point where I am railing against college and pro teams raising prices. Not only that, calling season ticket packages memberships......I'm sorry, but to me that's a word that would not fly over well in Athens or the midwest. Developing a Country Club vibe around sports teams......that's a problem.
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L.C.
2/26/2018 8:58 PM
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I feel like this post can be summed up simply by saying "the cost to play has gone up, therefore we must jack up prices...

I don't think the problem is as simple as rising costs, and I think the problem goes beyond just football. Some of the items on my list pertain only to football, but other apply to other sports as well. I'll divide my list into several categories:
I. Declining participation
a. Parents not allowing children to play football
b. Young people less interested in playing sports, and more interested in playing video games

II. Increasing costs
a. Lawsuits by players who want to be deemed as employees
b. Escalation of facilities wars
c. Continuing increases in coaching salaries

III. Decrease in fanbase/promotional value
a. Concern over concussions
b. Aging fan base

IV. Declining Revenue
a. Resistance by the general students to supporting sports with fees
b. Tighter budgets for Universities
c. Declining revenue from telecasts
d. Declining attendance

The whole premise of Universities being involved in sports used to be the promotional value, and that is decreasing. Thus, you have the worst of all worlds, rising costs, falling revenues, and decreasing value.
Last Edited: 2/26/2018 8:59:02 PM by L.C.
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ShoreCat
2/27/2018 11:30 AM
so I'll just chime in and also say that I hate this schedule too. Living in Cleveland, weeknight games are a no-go unless I take the following day off. And after years of attending Homecoming, I now actually prefer to avoid this due to the crowds. Waiting in long lines to get into anything annoys the hell out of me. Now get off my lawn!!

I'm wondering how the university will market the non-weekend games. If you have any hope of getting a decent crowd, you have to think locally. I hope there are promotions for local school districts. I'd also love to see some sort of way to allow season ticket holders to donate their tickets (if desired) to some type of local group. Hell, I'd buy two tickets to donate to a worthy cause. And I believe we've already beat the issue of getting students to games to death on another thread.

I do think this offense is going to generate some excitement for even the casual fan which should modestly help attendance.
Last Edited: 2/27/2018 11:31:40 AM by ShoreCat
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FanInTheStands
2/27/2018 1:13 PM
I'm not a fan of this schedule either. Not only do I detest the fact we only have 3 home Saturday games but our midweek games in November are almost assuredly guaranteeing loses and injuries to players. On Nov. 1st we have a Thursday night away game at Western Michigan. The following week we have a Wednesday night away game at Miami. Aside from only 6 days in between game days
I can only imagine we'll lose at least 1 if not 2 or 3 days of practice due to travel and player recovery time. If the past few years are any indication we'll be dealing with some significant injuries by this point in the season and now we're going to compound that with an even shorter week of preparation time AND back-to-back away games. I won't be surprised if any hopes for a season ending title chase are all but gone prior to the final two home games against the Bulls and Zips.

I haven't even mentioned the possibility of rain or inclement weather on one of those Saturday games or (gasp!) a weeknight game. Remember last year's season opener and the rain? The tailgating atmosphere was nowhere to be found. The rains that were scheduled to be out of the area hung around until the second half when the game was already decided. The weather combined with a terrible opponent and it was no wonder the stands were empty and the gameday atmosphere was pathetic.

I'm guessing band day will have to be either the opening game of the year or on the same weekend as Parents Weekend. Again, not an ideal situation for either option.

I agree with others who have posted on here that several of the away games are attractive and relatively accessible and winnable. It's a shame that we can get more excited about our away schedule than we can our home games.
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OhioStunter
2/27/2018 6:07 PM
While this schedule is not ideal, it's not dramatically different from 10 years ago when we only had 4 Saturday home games. NIU only has 3 Saturday home games this year and Western only has 2.

I guess if you have a 100K+ seat stadium like Ohio State, you can host 7 Saturday home games...
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Alan Swank
2/28/2018 10:00 AM
OhioStunter wrote:expand_more
While this schedule is not ideal, it's not dramatically different from 10 years ago when we only had 4 Saturday home games. NIU only has 3 Saturday home games this year and Western only has 2.

I guess if you have a 100K+ seat stadium like Ohio State, you can host 7 Saturday home games...
Nobody is comparing this to games in the "TV era." Go back to 2000 and all of our home games were on Saturday. That's what many are comparing this pathetic schedule to.
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OU_Country
2/28/2018 11:28 AM
OhioStunter wrote:expand_more
While this schedule is not ideal, it's not dramatically different from 10 years ago when we only had 4 Saturday home games. NIU only has 3 Saturday home games this year and Western only has 2.

I guess if you have a 100K+ seat stadium like Ohio State, you can host 7 Saturday home games...
I took my buddy from BG to the game last night, and we talked about this on the way. BG has the same issue. My buddy usually makes it to a game every year, but with just 3 Saturday's to choose from and fall family plans, he may not make it to a game this year.
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bobcatsquared
2/28/2018 12:05 PM
Not sure if anyone has brought up the local merchants' viewpoint. They can't be fans of this schedule.
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Alan Swank
2/28/2018 12:10 PM
bobcatsquared wrote:expand_more
Not sure if anyone has brought up the local merchants' viewpoint. They can't be fans of this schedule.
And to tag onto that, I wonder when we'll have that seat filling band day. Parents Weekend would be tough as would Homecoming. That leaves the Saturday of Labor Day weekend or, drum roll please, a school night.
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colobobcat66
2/28/2018 12:34 PM
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No bueno if you are a season ticket holder and don't have to travel overnight to attend home games, muy bueno if you are a season ticket holder and have to travel to see every game. Roadies to Charlottesville, Cincy, Kzoo (for the beer!) and NIU because my employer's home office is close to Dekalb, and the ability to extend a trip to Atown for Hcoming and Balls Tate. Close with a trip home to Lancaster for THXGV and a rematch with Krackron on Black Friday, and I'll likely see more regular season games in person than I ever have. But that's just me.
How is this "muy bueno" for season ticket holders who have to travel to see every game?
Thanks for asking, I'd be happy to share my point of view on the 2018 schedule. First and foremost, I'll let you know that I typically attend four to six games a year in person, and by choice, OHIO football is a very important part of my leisure time. I have learned to love the program not only because of the people in the program that I have gotten to know who I find to be high quality individuals (Russ and Rob/Matt Morton/Lou/Pete Lalich/ICA staff), but also because of the friends I have met and tailgate with, many of whom are regulars on this board (Pete/Ted/McBin and Kat/DFC/Chuck Williams/Bob Wolfinger/ and the Lancaster crew/ytown/etc). I really enjoy the camaraderie that attending games has brought to my free time and am extremely thankful for it, and all that came from engaging in OHIO football since 2005.

Additionally, my post was speaking from the "I", I wasn't trying to say any other remote season ticket holders should view the schedule from my perspective, and I tend to be a glass half full kind of guy, so here is my take on the games I highlighted:

UVA- A no brainer for me to travel to. Great college town, beautiful region of the country, excellent tailgate scene and a state named institution like us that OHIO should aspire to academically, and a game that is very winnable.

UC- Also a no brainer for me because I have friends in the area, it's a short flight, some great craft beer in the area (usually a big draw for me in traveling to games), and another opportunity to do the Bourbon Trail. A game versus a state school in an step up G5 conference that is a very winnable, so what's not to like about traveling for that.

NIU- Easy, cheap flight from BOS to ORD/MDW makes this a very appealing in and out for a day trip for me, lots of friends/coworkers in the area, great craft brew scene and I went to the last NIU game in DeKalb and enjoyed the campus pregame scene despite temps in the teens. The ability to go back in fall weather, not winter, and a matchup with a perennial west power should make for a great game.

Homecoming/Balls- Games four business days apart means only four vacation days taken, excellent time of the year, and all in Athens. No brainer.

Western- One of the last MAC stadiums I haven't been in for a game, and a matchup with a perennial west power should make for a great game. Once again, excellent craft scene for beer and cider from GR to Kzoo, and they ususally draw very well (relative to other MAC teams) for midweek games. Easy in and out to DTW, I can't wait!

Crackron- Rematch against the team that took us out of the title chase last year (should I say we took ourselves out due to all the turnovers), my company gives its employees Black Friday off for vacation, get to see family for the holiday and see a game. No brainer.

So that's just me, but I am looking forward to it.
Sorry ... I misunderstood what you were implying when you said the schedule was "muy bueno if you are a season ticket holder and have to travel to see every game" because I am a season ticket holder who does have to travel for every game....even if it is from Columbus.

I agree ... the UVA game and UC games are solid fan-friendly road games this year.

And the MAC road schedule is pretty standard.

It's the home schedule that is truly awful.

Home game vs. FCS Howard on Labor Day Saturday.

Saturday home game vs. horrible UMass on 9/29

Then homecoming Saturday vs. BG on 10/20.

And that's it for Saturdays in Athens! It S-U-C-K-S!!! I'm sorry.

As much as I love traveling to road games .... and I have to Kansas, Tennessee, Maryland, Morgantown, Kentucky, Illinois, Minnesota, etc .... and all around the MAC ... I truly love fall Saturdays in Athens tailgating ... wandering Court St ... and taking in a football game.

And those opportunities are becoming fewer and fewer by the year in this damn league. It sucks. I'm sorry. You won't change my mind.

I know about millions of dollars in TV exposure and the ESPN contracts ... but at what point does selling out your core fanbase and students outweigh any of that???

Do you think a recruit thinks it's cool to visit Athens and Ohio U for a home game on a Wednesday and see a Peden Stadium with 6000 people in it? Can a HS recruit from outside a 2hr radius even visit for a game during a weeknight?!?!?!

Yes, you can walk into a living room and tell a recruit he'll most likely play on national TV half of the season. Great! But you'll be doing it in front of more than half-empty stadiums.

If anything, it's the total opposite in MAC basketball where you can tell recruits you can play your entire conference season on the internet ... and maybe get on TV 2 or 3 times a year once MAC play starts.

I have been on record (ad nauseam) how much I hate this deal they struck with ESPN. I understand the money is paramount ... but the logistics the league prostituted itself out for are starting to wear thin on the respective school core fanbases.

I've reached out to the MAC and voiced my displeasure and concern. (Psssst. They don't care! It's all about that almighty ESPN dollar ... they'll bend over any way ESPN wants them to for that paycheck ... and I think in the long run it will not benefit the league as much as people think.)
Can someone explain to me how the value of media exposure benefits the university when the average age of a person watching college football on TV is 52 years of age?

https://www.statista.com/statistics/754824/tv-audience-sp... /

Those are the people with the money to give to the university.
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OhioStunter
3/1/2018 1:42 PM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
While this schedule is not ideal, it's not dramatically different from 10 years ago when we only had 4 Saturday home games. NIU only has 3 Saturday home games this year and Western only has 2.

I guess if you have a 100K+ seat stadium like Ohio State, you can host 7 Saturday home games...
Nobody is comparing this to games in the "TV era." Go back to 2000 and all of our home games were on Saturday. That's what many are comparing this pathetic schedule to.
Even looking at 2000 attendance figures, it was about 800 fans more per game in 2000 with 5 Saturday home games* vs. last year with only 4 Saturday home games (and 2 weeknight games).

(*that included a Marshall game at the end of the year).

Attendance-number-wise, attendance between 2000 with no weeknight home games and last year with two weeknight home games is not that dramatically different. (caveat: I know that reported attendance numbers do not equal real attendance, but it's the only official figure we have to go on)

It will be interesting to see how 2018 attendance pans out because of this schedule. I certainly think it will impact attendance, but we'll need to see by just how much.
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bshot44
3/1/2018 1:54 PM
OhioStunter wrote:expand_more
While this schedule is not ideal, it's not dramatically different from 10 years ago when we only had 4 Saturday home games. NIU only has 3 Saturday home games this year and Western only has 2.

I guess if you have a 100K+ seat stadium like Ohio State, you can host 7 Saturday home games...
In 2008 you only had 5 home games ... and 4 were on Saturday. And that is because they chose to play 3 road games in out-of-conference. It was a much different era for Ohio football ... when they were willing to go play Ohio St, Northwestern and Wyoming on the road.

They are NOT willing to schedule like that anymore.

In 2018, they have 6 home games ... and only three on Saturday.

50% compared to 80% in 2008.

Not even a comparison.

2008: 5 home games, 4 Saturday ... three total midweek
2009: 6 home games, 5 Saturday ... two total midweek
2010: 6 home games, 5 Saturday ... three total midweek
2011: 6 home games, 4 Saturday ... four total midweek
2012: 6 home games, 4 Saturday ... four total midweek
2013: 7 home games, 5 Saturday ... four total midweek
2014: 6 home games, 4 Saturday ... three total midweek
2015: 6 home games, 4 Saturday ... four total midweek
2016: 6 home games, 4 Saturday ... four total midweek
2017: 6 home games, 4 Saturday ... four total midweek
2018: 6 home games, 3 Saturday ... four total midweek

Things started going downhill in 2011 with the four midweek games.

But in 2013 ... they somehow found a way to have 7 home games ... 5 at home ... and still play four midweek games!

2018 is the opposite end of that spectrum.

This. Schedule. Sucks. Period.
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