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The Optimist
8/13/2018 9:37 AM
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:expand_more
In the same thread where people are lamenting that society has reached a point where lives can be ruined based on accusations alone, people are going to cite a Facebook post by a guy cited as an "Ohio State insider" where he quotes the Mother of the accused as his source?

I assume the same people who were bemoaning the fact that a single social media past can ruin innocent lives are going to hop in to defend Smith's wife here, right? And that they won't forget to cite this as yet another example of how an accusation, without any backing, can ruin an innocent person's life?

Because we don't know what happened here. And yet people seem more than willing to spread lightly sourced theories about how this is all just a jolted lover making up stories of abuse to "bring down Urban Meyer."
In my opinion, a lot of people write biased Facebook posts. For example, with this news story it seems a lot of people want to blindly defend Urban Meyer because they are fans of the Buckeyes.

In my opinion, a lot of journalists write biased articles. For example, with this news story it seems a lot of journalists want to blindly attack Urban Meyer because they want clicks to make money.
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Buckeye to Bobcat
8/13/2018 10:08 AM
All I know is it's incredible how one family's situation has spilled and been taken onto a program of that size.

That and idk which has more drama; this situation, where TOS is going next, or Keeping up with the Kardashians?
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rpbobcat
8/13/2018 10:12 AM
OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
To return this thread to its original purpose, and perhaps save it from Siberia and Russian collusion,
here's a story that has been circulating among Ohio State partisans for the last several days. It is being
sent around via an email. I received this from a forward from Steve Hayes, Woody's son. If this is true, it
puts an entirely different light on the Urban Meyer scandal.
Until I saw this post,I never knew that Zach Smith's mother was Earle Bruce's daughter.

Small world in the OSU coaching circles.
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cc-cat
8/13/2018 10:40 AM
OCF. I am curious or maybe just confused In you r first post you present Steve Hayes as forwarding the email thus providing it a level of credibility. But in your follow up post you knowledge Steve Hayes sees no credibility to the story. why didn’t you include that piece of information in original post? In essence, the story. was forwarded to me by Steve Hayes but I know that he has dismissed it as credible.
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OhioCatFan
8/13/2018 10:49 AM
cc-cat wrote:expand_more
OCF. I am curious or maybe just confused In you r first post you present Steve Hayes as forwarding the email thus providing it a level of credibility. But in your follow up post you knowledge Steve Hayes sees no credibility to the story. why didn’t you include that piece of information in original post? In essence, the story. was forwarded to me by Steve Hayes but I know that he has dismissed it as credible.
'cause when I made the original post I didn't know that Steve didn't give it much credibility. Our mutual friend told me that late last evening on the phone.
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cc-cat
8/13/2018 11:16 AM
Thanks for the clarity. the timing also tells me The email you received is a hoax sense, if Steve Hayes has any level of integrity and ethics, he would not forward an email that he felt was untrue knowing that it would taint the accuser and provide unfounded support for urban Meyer and Ohio State football. I get the impression he’s a better person than that but then I’donr know him.

again thanks for the clarity.
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OhioCatFan
8/13/2018 11:18 AM
cc-cat, my impression is that Steve initially thought it had some merit, but upon further discussion with our mutual friend, who has a journalism background, he decided that it wasn't that trustworthy a story.
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cc-cat
8/13/2018 11:49 AM
unfortunately for Mrs. Smith, and for Steve Hayes The email will continue to be forwarded by others (not you) throughout Central Ohio. Even if he publicly rejects the story as untruthful the email will live on. Just goes to show how you can’t believe what you read on the Internet or receiving in an email.

thank you again for doing your part to clear up the misinformation.
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OhioStunter
8/13/2018 6:00 PM
The recent posts here support my earlier points in this (very long, but important) thread.

What sources of information do you believe? And which are true? And what actions can you take based on the best information available?

In this case, perhaps Urban Meyer -- based on all of the he said, she said -- went with the prevailing legal authorities on this -- the police and the DA on how he decided to act (or not).

They investigated. They didn't make an arrest. They didn't file charges (with the exception of the order of protection violation when he pulled into the driveway to pick up his son which led to Smith's dismissal).

I think the real questions now are what was Urban required to report internally about this? And if he was required, did he do it? If not, then OK, he violated a university policy and should be reprimanded.

But for Urban/OSU to be blasted publicly for not taking action on Smith because of something that may/may not have happened on personal time that was not substantiated by police is a real issue for me.
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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
8/13/2018 8:55 PM
OhioStunter wrote:expand_more
The recent posts here support my earlier points in this (very long, but important) thread.

What sources of information do you believe? And which are true? And what actions can you take based on the best information available?

In this case, perhaps Urban Meyer -- based on all of the he said, she said -- went with the prevailing legal authorities on this -- the police and the DA on how he decided to act (or not).

They investigated. They didn't make an arrest. They didn't file charges (with the exception of the order of protection violation when he pulled into the driveway to pick up his son which led to Smith's dismissal).

I think the real questions now are what was Urban required to report internally about this? And if he was required, did he do it? If not, then OK, he violated a university policy and should be reprimanded.

But for Urban/OSU to be blasted publicly for not taking action on Smith because of something that may/may not have happened on personal time that was not substantiated by police is a real issue for me.
For what it's worth, I don't think saying that these accusations were "not substantiated by police" has yet been proven. Smith was, after all, arrested in 2009.

Police felt, at the time, that they had enough evidence to justify an arrest. Courtney Smith opted not to press charges after speaking to two of Meyer's advisors. Charges being dropped and the police finding that accusations were not substantiated are two very different things.

Domestic violence charges are often dropped at the behest of the victim. That doesn't mean domestic violence didn't occur.

Just something worth keeping in mind.
Last Edited: 8/13/2018 8:56:21 PM by Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
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OhioStunter
8/14/2018 1:03 AM
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:expand_more
The recent posts here support my earlier points in this (very long, but important) thread.

What sources of information do you believe? And which are true? And what actions can you take based on the best information available?

In this case, perhaps Urban Meyer -- based on all of the he said, she said -- went with the prevailing legal authorities on this -- the police and the DA on how he decided to act (or not).

They investigated. They didn't make an arrest. They didn't file charges (with the exception of the order of protection violation when he pulled into the driveway to pick up his son which led to Smith's dismissal).

I think the real questions now are what was Urban required to report internally about this? And if he was required, did he do it? If not, then OK, he violated a university policy and should be reprimanded.

But for Urban/OSU to be blasted publicly for not taking action on Smith because of something that may/may not have happened on personal time that was not substantiated by police is a real issue for me.
For what it's worth, I don't think saying that these accusations were "not substantiated by police" has yet been proven. Smith was, after all, arrested in 2009.

Police felt, at the time, that they had enough evidence to justify an arrest. Courtney Smith opted not to press charges after speaking to two of Meyer's advisors. Charges being dropped and the police finding that accusations were not substantiated are two very different things.

Domestic violence charges are often dropped at the behest of the victim. That doesn't mean domestic violence didn't occur.

Just something worth keeping in mind.


The arrest of Smith in 2009 should have been enough for Urban/Florida to fire Smith.
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Broomball @ Midnight!
8/15/2018 8:28 PM
Nursing faculty... not sure at what title/level, but it wouldn't matter.
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Ted Thompson
8/17/2018 9:06 PM
The Zach Smith story just got a lot stranger. Please no comments on the details in this forum.
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Maddog13
8/17/2018 9:47 PM
Ted Thompson wrote:expand_more
The Zach Smith story just got a lot stranger. Please no comments on the details in this forum.
Yes, indeed, it has gotten stranger as was the case with the Aaron Hernadez story. Common denominator: Urban Meyer.
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OhioStunter
8/18/2018 11:46 AM
Note: Don't let the ex-wife have access to personal accounts when you break up.
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boydhallbobcat
8/18/2018 12:17 PM
Maddog13 wrote:expand_more
The Zach Smith story just got a lot stranger. Please no comments on the details in this forum.
Yes, indeed, it has gotten stranger as was the case with the Aaron Hernadez story. Common denominator: Urban Meyer.
That's a joke, right?

The hatred for OSU baffles me. They aren't rivals. I know they wanted the Ohio name years back, but I just feel like hating them makes Ohio U fans seem like little siblings. We waste too much time hating Ohio State. I know that's an unpopular opinion. I love my Bobcats and will always root for them, but Ohio State is what it is. They don't spend time worrying about us, so I won't worry about them.
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giacomo
8/18/2018 5:26 PM
Who?
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Sam bobcat
8/18/2018 5:59 PM
boydhallbobcat wrote:expand_more
The Zach Smith story just got a lot stranger. Please no comments on the details in this forum.
Yes, indeed, it has gotten stranger as was the case with the Aaron Hernadez story. Common denominator: Urban Meyer.
That's a joke, right?

The hatred for OSU baffles me. They aren't rivals. I know they wanted the Ohio name years back, but I just feel like hating them makes Ohio U fans seem like little siblings. We waste too much time hating Ohio State. I know that's an unpopular opinion. I love my Bobcats and will always root for them, but Ohio State is what it is. They don't spend time worrying about us, so I won't worry about them.
Except to spend time defending them.
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Maddog13
8/18/2018 6:21 PM
boydhallbobcat wrote:expand_more
The Zach Smith story just got a lot stranger. Please no comments on the details in this forum.
Yes, indeed, it has gotten stranger as was the case with the Aaron Hernadez story. Common denominator: Urban Meyer.
That's a joke, right?

The hatred for OSU baffles me. They aren't rivals. I know they wanted the Ohio name years back, but I just feel like hating them makes Ohio U fans seem like little siblings. We waste too much time hating Ohio State. I know that's an unpopular opinion. I love my Bobcats and will always root for them, but Ohio State is what it is. They don't spend time worrying about us, so I won't worry about them.
Why isn't Ohio State a rival? There is Oregon/Oregon State, Florida/Florida State, Oklahoma/Oklahoma State, and Michigan/Michigan State, but very rarely Ohio/Ohio State. The opposite of love is not hate, but indifference. Ohio State's obsession with winning at all costs deserves every criticism it can get, especially from their more fun loving "siblings" down south.
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boydhallbobcat
8/18/2018 11:31 PM
Bc we aren't National Title contenders. That's why we aren't rivals. The same reason Texas and Texas State aren't rivals. I would LOVE for Ohio to be on the same level as Ohio State football from a talent standpoint, but it's just not in the cards.
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Maddog13
8/19/2018 11:02 AM
boydhallbobcat wrote:expand_more
Bc we aren't National Title contenders. That's why we aren't rivals. The same reason Texas and Texas State aren't rivals. I would LOVE for Ohio to be on the same level as Ohio State football from a talent standpoint, but it's just not in the cards.
If my memory serves me correctly, we played three quarters of competitive football the last time that we played the Buckeyes at the Shoe, and that team was not as strong as the ones that we have put on the field of late.
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Deciduous Forest Cat
8/19/2018 1:14 PM
Maddog13 wrote:expand_more
Bc we aren't National Title contenders. That's why we aren't rivals. The same reason Texas and Texas State aren't rivals. I would LOVE for Ohio to be on the same level as Ohio State football from a talent standpoint, but it's just not in the cards.
If my memory serves me correctly, we played three quarters of competitive football the last time that we played the Buckeyes at the Shoe, and that team was not as strong as the ones that we have put on the field of late.
that was two appearances ago, actually. we got our doors blown off the last time.
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Pataskala
8/19/2018 4:03 PM
boydhallbobcat wrote:expand_more
The hatred for OSU baffles me. They aren't rivals. I know they wanted the Ohio name years back, but I just feel like hating them makes Ohio U fans seem like little siblings. We waste too much time hating Ohio State. I know that's an unpopular opinion. I love my Bobcats and will always root for them, but Ohio State is what it is. They don't spend time worrying about us, so I won't worry about them.
My disdain for O$U centers around three things. First, their sports program has always been more about raising money and on-field results than academics. They don't care if the kids actually get an education; how they perform on the field is all that matters. (I can see Herm Edwards instilling the same attitude at ASU.) Second, a large portion of their fan base isn't happy with winning -- they only care about winning big. You can't just beat the opponent, you have to destroy them. That's a piss poor attitude. Third, their attitude that just because we're bigger, we're better. So many of them are so frigging condescending toward all the other schools in the state, it's sickening.
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boydhallbobcat
8/19/2018 4:03 PM
I believe that was also a pretty down year for tOSU also.
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