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Topic: 6'8"/225 F Kenny Kaminski (Medina HS/Michigan St.) - Ohio Transfer
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Posted: 11/6/2014 10:14 AM
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Am I the only one who thinks the wait on an announced decision on this is bordering on absurd? We're two days from the start of "real" basketball with exhibitions starting, and there isn't any decision.

I'm curious what the thoughts are on those who know about other, perhaps similar transfers, and what happened to them. One that came to my mind is Dez Wells from X to Maryland a couple years ago, in a situation that doesn't seem terribly different from this one in that he was more or less dismissed from the team.


Great little piece I looked up in my frustration last year from ESPN. Kinda says it all regarding "the Division I Legislative Council’s Subcommittee for Legislative Relief (no joke, that's what it's actually called)"


http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id...
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Posted: 11/6/2014 11:13 AM
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the Division I Legislative Council’s Subcommittee for Legislative Relief

That name screams bureaucracy.

This decision wait reminds me of the NFL's long wait on Josh Gordon. Ridiculous.
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Posted: 11/6/2014 11:19 AM
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One that came to my mind is Dez Wells from X to Maryland a couple years ago, in a situation that doesn't seem terribly different from this one in that he was more or less dismissed from the team.
Wells is the poster child for waiving the transfer rule though. He was kicked off the team under false pretenses. Not sure I would compare his dismissal with Kaminski's (although we still don't know the exact reason he was booted).
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Posted: 11/6/2014 12:40 PM
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One that came to my mind is Dez Wells from X to Maryland a couple years ago, in a situation that doesn't seem terribly different from this one in that he was more or less dismissed from the team.
Wells is the poster child for waiving the transfer rule though. He was kicked off the team under false pretenses. Not sure I would compare his dismissal with Kaminski's (although we still don't know the exact reason he was booted).
I don't pretend to know the complete story in either case. I just know that the process is really quite absurd in terms of the time it has taken.
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Posted: 11/6/2014 7:56 PM
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what's frustrating about this scenario is that KK doesn't have the option of taking a red shirt. He either plays this year or he loses a year of eligibility. IMO the NCAA needs to have a darn good reason to force a kid to lose a year when he's not been charged with any wrong doing. The burden of proof should be on the NCAA to justify why they would force a student athlete to lose a year when it not necessary.
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Posted: 11/6/2014 9:23 PM
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what's frustrating about this scenario is that KK doesn't have the option of taking a red shirt. He either plays this year or he loses a year of eligibility. IMO the NCAA needs to have a darn good reason to force a kid to lose a year when he's not been charged with any wrong doing. The burden of proof should be on the NCAA to justify why they would force a student athlete to lose a year when it not necessary.
well He missed his first year at MSU because he was injured so couldn't he ask for a medical redshirt and get a 6th year? Im not sure if that's how it works or not but if he has to sit out this season i would hope they would do that for him
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Posted: 11/6/2014 9:27 PM
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what's frustrating about this scenario is that KK doesn't have the option of taking a red shirt. He either plays this year or he loses a year of eligibility. IMO the NCAA needs to have a darn good reason to force a kid to lose a year when he's not been charged with any wrong doing. The burden of proof should be on the NCAA to justify why they would force a student athlete to lose a year when it not necessary.
well He missed his first year at MSU because he was injured so couldn't he ask for a medical redshirt and get a 6th year? Im not sure if that's how it works or not but if he has to sit out this season i would hope they would do that for him
I think there's a good chance that if he has to sit out this year, that he could get a medical redshirt because of his freshman year to get a sixth year of eligibility, but again, he'd have to go through another application process.
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Posted: 11/21/2014 11:22 PM
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OK, I'm officially giving up any hope that K will play this year. That probably means the letter was mailed by the NCAA this morning. But, I'm going to stop hoping for a resolution since we are dealing with the NCAA, and they don't know what they are doing so to expect rationality is to be irrational. I no longer care to be irrational on this topic. ;-)
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Posted: 11/22/2014 11:32 PM
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OK, I'm officially giving up any hope that K will play this year. That probably means the letter was mailed by the NCAA this morning. But, I'm going to stop hoping for a resolution since we are dealing with the NCAA, and they don't know what they are doing so to expect rationality is to be irrational. I no longer care to be irrational on this topic. ;-)
Maybe the NCAA has already decided that Kaminski will be eligible but does not want to make that decision final yet as that would make him eligible immediately.

What I am saying is that, maybe, the NCAA views this as a situation where Kaminski should "serve" a 1/4 year or 1/2 year "suspension" but knows that if they announce he gets a waiver that would make him eligible immediately. So they are just "waiting" to keep him out until their arbitrary suspension is finished...

Probably grasping at straws, but I never promised to be reasonable. I do believe what I am saying is somewhat rational in this twisted NCAA world we are living in.
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Posted: 11/23/2014 12:49 AM
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The Optimist wrote:expand_more
OK, I'm officially giving up any hope that K will play this year. That probably means the letter was mailed by the NCAA this morning. But, I'm going to stop hoping for a resolution since we are dealing with the NCAA, and they don't know what they are doing so to expect rationality is to be irrational. I no longer care to be irrational on this topic. ;-)
Maybe the NCAA has already decided that Kaminski will be eligible but does not want to make that decision final yet as that would make him eligible immediately.

What I am saying is that, maybe, the NCAA views this as a situation where Kaminski should "serve" a 1/4 year or 1/2 year "suspension" but knows that if they announce he gets a waiver that would make him eligible immediately. So they are just "waiting" to keep him out until their arbitrary suspension is finished...

Probably grasping at straws, but I never promised to be reasonable. I do believe what I am saying is somewhat rational in this twisted NCAA world we are living in.
I think you are being rational in this assessment of the irrationality of the NCAA, and therefore your conclusion might indeed be on target, but of course the concept of the a priori synthetic, which your conclusions are, has still never been proven possible in anything more than a theoretical context.
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Posted: 11/29/2014 11:04 PM
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Not gonna happen for this year per Schaus
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Posted: 12/1/2014 12:08 AM
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Not gonna happen for this year per Schaus
Direct from the horse's mouth -- first hand? If so, that clinches it. I don't understand why, though.
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Posted: 12/1/2014 10:50 AM
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This basketball year or this calendar year?

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Posted: 12/2/2014 12:30 AM
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This basketball year. He said he did not know where any real expectation that a waiver would be granted came from. I thought about saying he should check out BA more often! :)
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Posted: 12/2/2014 8:32 AM
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Not gonna happen for this year per Schaus
IF he can get a medical redshirt for his Freshman year, I think this could be a blessing in disguise. Seeing the system Saul runs and seeing the big men taking threes like they do, I'd rather see Kenny have an extra year at the end with his three point shooting ability and after three years under this system. That all depends on getting the redshirt.
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Posted: 12/2/2014 10:29 AM
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Arkley was the first to mention a waiver from what I saw. I wonder what the chances are Kaminski could get a medical red shirt for that year.
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Posted: 12/2/2014 2:24 PM
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Not gonna happen for this year per Schaus
IF he can get a medical redshirt for his Freshman year, I think this could be a blessing in disguise. Seeing the system Saul runs and seeing the big men taking threes like they do, I'd rather see Kenny have an extra year at the end with his three point shooting ability and after three years under this system. That all depends on getting the redshirt.
Agreed! This sets up the team to be very deep, and really good over 2015-2016 and the two seasons that follow.
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Hey, a fact that indicates I am correct: Schaus (Top Athletic Administrator) apparently does not read BobcatAttack.com

And here some of us thought this public forum was followed by everyone related to OHIO Athletics and Administration!
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Asked about that also - he said he would only have 2 yrs eligibility.
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Posted: 12/2/2014 11:40 PM
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We'll find out on April 9, 2015 that he can play during the 2014-15 season.


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Asked about that also - he said he would only have 2 yrs eligibility.
This would show that either the NCAA is truly inconsistent and off their rocker, or there is something to this story that we don't know.
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Posted: 12/3/2014 4:29 PM
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Hey, a fact that indicates I am correct: Schaus (Top Athletic Administrator) apparently does not read BobcatAttack.com

And here some of us thought this public forum was followed by everyone related to OHIO Athletics and Administration!
Lol.

Find me the transcript where anyone said that. This site recorded it all. Have at it.

No disrespect to RS, but as the "facts" pertain to your argument, you're working with hearsay.

Moreover, a single vague plea of ingorance on an issue is no where near sufficient evidence to substantiate your claim Casper that the cumulative effects of negative contributions on this message board are always negligible.
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Posted: 12/3/2014 7:28 PM
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No disrespect to RS, but as the "facts" pertain to your argument, you're working with hearsay.
Yeah - we should just ignore anything anyone says that Schaus said........

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Maybe the NCAA is as confused as ESPN when ti comes to which team he will be playing for...

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/62...
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Posted: 12/4/2014 10:01 AM
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No disrespect to RS, but as the "facts" pertain to your argument, you're working with hearsay.
Yeah - we should just ignore anything anyone says that Schaus said........

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I believe what you said RS. I don't believe what you said supports the broader conclusion Casper was trying to make. That's why I said "no disrespect".
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