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BobcatBeReal
4/2/2012 9:20 AM
MFRONE wrote:expand_more
Akron poster sums it up from the outsider's perspective.


What a phenomenal hire... for the rest of the MAC. wink.gif

Christian is going to run half of the current players and recruits out of town. Cooper is pissed, they already lost a commit, and I can't imagine the rest of the team is happy.

Not to mention the fact that he had a lot of off the court issues at Can't. Ohio has like 36 bars on campus (or something like that). Good luck keeping your JUCO buddies out of trouble Jim.

tomato.gif <--- OU AD. puke.gif <--- OU Fans/Players. macc.gif <--- Akron. screwks.gif <--- The Truth.

He's not going to run the current players out of town. Most of the players weren't happy with the Groce hiring and they weren't afraid to show it, but they didn't go anywhere. Guys aren't going to go sit out a year to play a year after this run.

Watch......DJ Coper will be the first. Believe me, Coop is not going to like Christian. Coop is currently looking at a possible 2nd round pick in the draft. If not, he can go to Europe and make 6 figures. He will not be here next year after this hire. Just wait and see.
Also, Walt can graduate and leave and play immediately. Do you think he will stay and play for someone he doesn't want to?
This situation isn't the same as when Groce was hired.
Last Edited: 4/2/2012 9:26:49 AM by BobcatBeReal
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OUVan
4/2/2012 9:23 AM
BobcatBeReal wrote:expand_more
Our AD had an opportunity to hire one of our own in Jeff Boals or Dustin Ford., two proven winners. Instead, he was determined to hire someone that was a head coach.


Sorry but these two haven't proven anything. By your logic, Dale Bandy and Bob Kappas were proven winners.  I admit that I was hoping one of the two you mentioned was hired but let's not pretend we know everything there is to know about any of those involved and their coaching abilities.  But Jim Christian has proven a lot more than either of the other two.
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momo33
4/2/2012 9:25 AM
WOW, just amazed that OU is paying 600K for a guy who couldn't hack it at the next level.

Very bad hire.

Very possible Boals decided to stay at OSU though. Matta looks very unhealthy---have to wonder if Matta coaches beyond next year.
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OUVan
4/2/2012 9:27 AM
momo33 wrote:expand_more
WOW, just amazed that OU is paying 600K for a guy who couldn't hack it at the next level.

Very bad hire.

Very possible Boals decided to stay at OSU though. Matta looks very unhealthy---have to wonder if Matta coaches beyond next year.


Boals is not going to get the OSU job if Matta retires.  He's not even the lead assistant at OSU.
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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
4/2/2012 9:34 AM
BobcatBeReal wrote:expand_more
Akron poster sums it up from the outsider's perspective.


What a phenomenal hire... for the rest of the MAC. wink.gif

Christian is going to run half of the current players and recruits out of town. Cooper is pissed, they already lost a commit, and I can't imagine the rest of the team is happy.

Not to mention the fact that he had a lot of off the court issues at Can't. Ohio has like 36 bars on campus (or something like that). Good luck keeping your JUCO buddies out of trouble Jim.

tomato.gif <--- OU AD. puke.gif <--- OU Fans/Players. macc.gif <--- Akron. screwks.gif <--- The Truth.

He's not going to run the current players out of town. Most of the players weren't happy with the Groce hiring and they weren't afraid to show it, but they didn't go anywhere. Guys aren't going to go sit out a year to play a year after this run.

Watch......DJ Coper will be the first. Believe me, Coop is not going to like Christian. Coop is currently looking at a possible 2nd round pick in the draft. If not, he can go to Europe and make 6 figures. He will not be here next year after this hire. Just wait and see.
Also, Walt can graduate and leave and play immediately. Do you think he will stay and play for someone he doesn't want to?
This situation isn't the same as when Groce was hired.


I love DJ, but if he thinks he's an NBA prospect as an undersized point guard who just shot 33% from the field, he's crazy. 

This is a good hire. Let's all stop with the sky is falling talk and remember that we have a Sweet 16 team returning intact to play for a very good coach. 

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OakStreet
4/2/2012 9:35 AM
71 BOBCAT wrote:expand_more

I have a few points to make: SOME HAVE BEEN MADE BY OTHERS BUT MY DISSAPOINTMENT RAGES ON.

1) This guy has a loosing record @ TCU, were his days numbered there? He probably only had 1 year left on his contract. He obvously displayed poor recruiting ability after 4 years and a loosing record. 
2) We are paying him more than Solich? Are you kidding me?

On the surface and from what we already know about this guy this is not going to sit well with the fans, alumni, and could be detrimental with the team.
What was our AD thinking?
If this is factual I for 1 will be writting a letter the the AD letting him know my dissapointment.
BAD HIRE




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TCU's record of 18-15 this season and 7-7 in conference play is the school's best since 2000-01 when a Billy Tubbs' team went 20-11 and 9-7. He is a two-time MAC Coach of the Year and is only 47.  
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BobcatBeReal
4/2/2012 9:36 AM
OUVan wrote:expand_more
Our AD had an opportunity to hire one of our own in Jeff Boals or Dustin Ford., two proven winners. Instead, he was determined to hire someone that was a head coach.


Sorry but these two haven't proven anything. By your logic, Dale Bandy and Bob Kappas were proven winners.  I admit that I was hoping one of the two you mentioned was hired but let's not pretend we know everything there is to know about any of those involved and their coaching abilities.  But Jim Christian has proven a lot more than either of the other two.


I would suggest to look at both of these guys careers. Take Ford, when he came to Ohio as player, people thought it was only because of his brother. It turned out that he fought and started for four years as a Bobcat. He graduated, started as a high school coach and turned a losing high school program into a winner. He went to WCU and started as the 3rd assistant coach, eventually working his way up to Associate Head Coach. Then he came to Ohio were again, he was the 3rd assistant coach. If you paid attention at all, you would know that he was John's number one guy this year.
HE HAS NEVER TAKEN A STEP BACK. The same could be said for Boals.
Why is Christian taking a step back? Please answer that question. And please don't even try to compare the MAC with the Big 12.
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BobcatBeReal
4/2/2012 9:46 AM
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:expand_more
Akron poster sums it up from the outsider's perspective.


What a phenomenal hire... for the rest of the MAC. wink.gif

Christian is going to run half of the current players and recruits out of town. Cooper is pissed, they already lost a commit, and I can't imagine the rest of the team is happy.

Not to mention the fact that he had a lot of off the court issues at Can't. Ohio has like 36 bars on campus (or something like that). Good luck keeping your JUCO buddies out of trouble Jim.

tomato.gif <--- OU AD. puke.gif <--- OU Fans/Players. macc.gif <--- Akron. screwks.gif <--- The Truth.

He's not going to run the current players out of town. Most of the players weren't happy with the Groce hiring and they weren't afraid to show it, but they didn't go anywhere. Guys aren't going to go sit out a year to play a year after this run.

Watch......DJ Coper will be the first. Believe me, Coop is not going to like Christian. Coop is currently looking at a possible 2nd round pick in the draft. If not, he can go to Europe and make 6 figures. He will not be here next year after this hire. Just wait and see.
Also, Walt can graduate and leave and play immediately. Do you think he will stay and play for someone he doesn't want to?
This situation isn't the same as when Groce was hired.


I love DJ, but if he thinks he's an NBA prospect as an undersized point guard who just shot 33% from the field, he's crazy. 

This is a good hire. Let's all stop with the sky is falling talk and remember that we have a Sweet 16 team returning intact to play for a very good coach. 


That is not DJ over estimating his value, that is the NBA scouting reports on him. READ THE REPORTS. This is not me saying he is a second round pick, IT IS THE NBA EXPERTS. Look at the draft. It is very weak for point guards this year. Understand the business.
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bn9
4/2/2012 9:47 AM
BobcatBeReal wrote:expand_more
Our AD had an opportunity to hire one of our own in Jeff Boals or Dustin Ford., two proven winners. Instead, he was determined to hire someone that was a head coach.


Sorry but these two haven't proven anything. By your logic, Dale Bandy and Bob Kappas were proven winners.  I admit that I was hoping one of the two you mentioned was hired but let's not pretend we know everything there is to know about any of those involved and their coaching abilities.  But Jim Christian has proven a lot more than either of the other two.


Why is Christian taking a step back? Please answer that question. And please don't even try to compare the MAC with the Big 12.


First of all, he never coached in the Big 12.  TCU is going to get waxed when they make the jump.  This is a MUCH better job than TCU for the next few years.  He is smart enough to know that he would not have survived the transition to the Big 12.  This is not a step back.

I am still numb and undecided on the hire.  But, lets get the facts straight.  Shaus evidently didn't want to hire a first time head coach to lead this program.  I can't blame him.
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momo33
4/2/2012 9:47 AM
Agree Boals won't get OSU HC job, but who thing is so strange that he might have decided to stay at OSU and see what shakes out when Matta is gone.

Did OU even conduct proper Equal Opportunity Hiring Practices ! LOL Don't you have to interview 3 people for a public position?????
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Mike Coleman
4/2/2012 9:49 AM
BobcatBeReal wrote:expand_more
Our AD had an opportunity to hire one of our own in Jeff Boals or Dustin Ford., two proven winners. Instead, he was determined to hire someone that was a head coach.


Sorry but these two haven't proven anything. By your logic, Dale Bandy and Bob Kappas were proven winners.  I admit that I was hoping one of the two you mentioned was hired but let's not pretend we know everything there is to know about any of those involved and their coaching abilities.  But Jim Christian has proven a lot more than either of the other two.


I would suggest to look at both of these guys careers. Take Ford, when he came to Ohio as player, people thought it was only because of his brother. It turned out that he fought and started for four years as a Bobcat. He graduated, started as a high school coach and turned a losing high school program into a winner. He went to WCU and started as the 3rd assistant coach, eventually working his way up to Associate Head Coach. Then he came to Ohio were again, he was the 3rd assistant coach. If you paid attention at all, you would know that he was John's number one guy this year.
HE HAS NEVER TAKEN A STEP BACK. The same could be said for Boals.
Why is Christian taking a step back? Please answer that question. And please don't even try to compare the MAC with the Big 12.


Is Butler a step back from TCU? Conference affiliations don't matter all that much. TCU hasn't been to the NCAA tournament since Tubbs was there. They haven't won a NCAA tournament game in 25 years. Ohio is a better program than TCU.

If Christian can be accused of anything, other than a reliance sometimes of JC players, it's that he took a stupid job a few years ago. Kent, FWIW, has not been back to the NCAA tournament since he left.

All that said, I thought Boals or Ford would be the guy.
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Andrew Ruck
4/2/2012 9:50 AM
bn9 wrote:expand_more
Shaus evidently didn't want to hire a first time head coach to lead this program.  I can't blame him.


But he did hire a first time head coach for this program 4 years ago and it worked beautifully...I can see an argument that our program was at the point then that it needed an up and comer, and it is at the point now that it needs a proven winner...But I don't buy into Schaus just refusing to hire a first timer.
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mattouiu1
4/2/2012 9:55 AM
BobcatBeReal wrote:expand_more
Akron poster sums it up from the outsider's perspective.


What a phenomenal hire... for the rest of the MAC. wink.gif

Christian is going to run half of the current players and recruits out of town. Cooper is pissed, they already lost a commit, and I can't imagine the rest of the team is happy.

Not to mention the fact that he had a lot of off the court issues at Can't. Ohio has like 36 bars on campus (or something like that). Good luck keeping your JUCO buddies out of trouble Jim.

tomato.gif <--- OU AD. puke.gif <--- OU Fans/Players. macc.gif <--- Akron. screwks.gif <--- The Truth.

He's not going to run the current players out of town. Most of the players weren't happy with the Groce hiring and they weren't afraid to show it, but they didn't go anywhere. Guys aren't going to go sit out a year to play a year after this run.

Watch......DJ Coper will be the first. Believe me, Coop is not going to like Christian. Coop is currently looking at a possible 2nd round pick in the draft. If not, he can go to Europe and make 6 figures. He will not be here next year after this hire. Just wait and see.
Also, Walt can graduate and leave and play immediately. Do you think he will stay and play for someone he doesn't want to?
This situation isn't the same as when Groce was hired.


I love DJ, but if he thinks he's an NBA prospect as an undersized point guard who just shot 33% from the field, he's crazy. 

This is a good hire. Let's all stop with the sky is falling talk and remember that we have a Sweet 16 team returning intact to play for a very good coach. 


That is not DJ over estimating his value, that is the NBA scouting reports on him. READ THE REPORTS. This is not me saying he is a second round pick, IT IS THE NBA EXPERTS. Look at the draft. It is very weak for point guards this year. Understand the business.


Anyone who understands the business already knows DJ is not NBA material. Europe maybe, but he doesn't have the size to make a squad in the NBA. Experts may think he can get drafted because of a weak draft at PG, but that doesn't translate to success in the NBA. NO guaranteed monies the 2nd round so any move by DJ to leave would equate to a future overseas.
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Pataskala
4/2/2012 9:55 AM
BobcatBeReal wrote:expand_more
Why is Christian taking a step back? Please answer that question. And please don't even try to compare the MAC with the Big 12.


I wonder if he is about to be shown the door at TCU.  Although they were 18-12, 9-7 in the MWC this season, his overall numbers -- 56-73, 18-44 -- are atrocious.  Not the kind of record that instills confidence in a coach whose school is moving up to the big time.   If we had a coach who had these kinds of numbers, he'd be on the bus, or under it.  Doesn't make sense as a hire at all. With the talent we have on board right now (even if DJ leaves), Schaus can do better.
Last Edited: 4/2/2012 9:56:35 AM by Pataskala
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OUVan
4/2/2012 9:56 AM
BobcatBeReal wrote:expand_more
I would suggest to look at both of these guys careers. Take Ford, when he came to Ohio as player, people thought it was only because of his brother. It turned out that he fought and started for four years as a Bobcat. He graduated, started as a high school coach and turned a losing high school program into a winner. He went to WCU and started as the 3rd assistant coach, eventually working his way up to Associate Head Coach. Then he came to Ohio were again, he was the 3rd assistant coach. If you paid attention at all, you would know that he was John's number one guy this year.
HE HAS NEVER TAKEN A STEP BACK. The same could be said for Boals.
Why is Christian taking a step back? Please answer that question. And please don't even try to compare the MAC with the Big 12.


I have followed both their careers closely.  I like how you LOUDLY claim that Dustin has never taken a step back but then note that he went from Associate Head Coach at WCU to 3rd assistant here.  I'm sure you have some rationalization that that is not a step back.

And I don't know why Christian is taking a step back but there could be any number of legitimate reasons.  TCU has put all their eggs in the football basket. Basketball is waaaay down the totem pole. That's not the case here.  And it could be that the current AD at TCU did not hire Christian.   Maybe he just hates Texas.  I don't know, and neither do you.  But the fact of the matter is that he has been successful in this league and he was successful in a similar situation that he is stepping into here.

Again, I am a big fan of both Jeff Boals and Dustin Ford and if I had my druthers I would have hired either one.  But I am not operating with anything close to full information.  I don't know their real strengths and weaknesses and neither do you.  I'm going to trust that Jim Schaus does.
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OhioCatFan
4/2/2012 9:57 AM
So this thing has legs?  I was hoping to wake up this morning and find that this was some kind April Fools joke.  Though, I'm warming up to it a little, I still have this nagging feeling that this guy can't win post-season games against anything like decedent competition.  The NCAA tourney floor is littered with the corpses of coaches who always had big regular seasons and than tanked in the first or second round of the tournament.  I hope that's now what we are in for.

Nightmare scenario:  We hire JC and Oxford Tech hires Boals, and they start to own us again.  

Color me worried and frustrated, but willing to be convinced that my gut reaction is wrong.
Last Edited: 4/2/2012 9:59:38 AM by OhioCatFan
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Jerry86
4/2/2012 10:01 AM
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I just don't understand why our AD even went after this guy, when you have the likes of Jeff Boals and Dustin Ford right under your nose. Also, why did the AD even talk tot he players and ask them what they wanted, then, from the looks of it, go completely against what they wanted?

This guy has a terrible record at TCU and showed no recruiting ability. Why, if we want to take this program up a notch, do we think he can do any better here?

This just doesn't sit well with me at ALL. It seems our program went from euphoric highs last week, to depressing lows this week.



And exactly how many games have Boals or Dustin won as a Head Coach?  Recall the days or Dale Bandy or Billy Hahn, assistant coaches here elevated to Head Coach and things not working out?

Say what you want but Christian's numbers blow away any coach we've had. 73% MAC wins. Groce had 53%.

Rather than giving Christian a chance many of you have already written him off.  Classy!

He was hired for a reason. He was offered $600K (if that's what it is) for a reason as well. I seriously doubt any of the negative posters had any insight into the hiring process. Rather than attack the guy I'll wait for the presser and then wait and see how he actually does next year. And if a player of two wants to leave that's their preogative. Everyone can be replaced.
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Jerry86
4/2/2012 10:08 AM
Pataskala wrote:expand_more
Why is Christian taking a step back? Please answer that question. And please don't even try to compare the MAC with the Big 12.


I wonder if he is about to be shown the door at TCU.  Although they were 18-12, 9-7 in the MWC this season, his overall numbers -- 56-73, 18-44 -- are atrocious.  Not the kind of record that instills confidence in a coach whose school is moving up to the big time.   If we had a coach who had these kinds of numbers, he'd be on the bus, or under it.  Doesn't make sense as a hire at all. With the talent we have on board right now (even if DJ leaves), Schaus can do better.


Why not compare apples to apples. In the MAC -- and that is the conference we compete in Christian has won 73% of his games. Is that bad?

Love all you guys second guessing Schaus. And oh yeah, let's not even give Christian a chance to show what he can do.
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Mark Lembright '85
4/2/2012 10:08 AM
OUVan wrote:expand_more
Our AD had an opportunity to hire one of our own in Jeff Boals or Dustin Ford., two proven winners. Instead, he was determined to hire someone that was a head coach.


Sorry but these two haven't proven anything. By your logic, Dale Bandy and Bob Kappas were proven winners. I admit that I was hoping one of the two you mentioned was hired but let's not pretend we know everything there is to know about any of those involved and their coaching abilities. But Jim Christian has proven a lot more than either of the other two.
Could not agree more as to Boals and Ford. I'm sure they're winners as people, but as head coaches they've won as many games as I have, zero. I don't know why; I'm just not on the Boals bandwagon.

Not sure how I feel about this new hire; I love Christian's regular season record and hate his post-season record. I do worry that there is a ceiling with Christian but my perception may be wrong; I think he had limited resources to work with at Kent State and shouldn't have as much of a problem with that here, at least as demonstrated by the salary Christian will be paid. I like this hire IF Christian can have his team play its best basketball in March and not December. We'll see, I guess.
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Jerry86
4/2/2012 10:10 AM
OUVan wrote:expand_more
I would suggest to look at both of these guys careers. Take Ford, when he came to Ohio as player, people thought it was only because of his brother. It turned out that he fought and started for four years as a Bobcat. He graduated, started as a high school coach and turned a losing high school program into a winner. He went to WCU and started as the 3rd assistant coach, eventually working his way up to Associate Head Coach. Then he came to Ohio were again, he was the 3rd assistant coach. If you paid attention at all, you would know that he was John's number one guy this year.
HE HAS NEVER TAKEN A STEP BACK. The same could be said for Boals.
Why is Christian taking a step back? Please answer that question. And please don't even try to compare the MAC with the Big 12.


I have followed both their careers closely.  I like how you LOUDLY claim that Dustin has never taken a step back but then note that he went from Associate Head Coach at WCU to 3rd assistant here.  I'm sure you have some rationalization that that is not a step back.

And I don't know why Christian is taking a step back but there could be any number of legitimate reasons.  TCU has put all their eggs in the football basket. Basketball is waaaay down the totem pole. That's not the case here.  And it could be that the current AD at TCU did not hire Christian.   Maybe he just hates Texas.  I don't know, and neither do you.  But the fact of the matter is that he has been successful in this league and he was successful in a similar situation that he is stepping into here.

Again, I am a big fan of both Jeff Boals and Dustin Ford and if I had my druthers I would have hired either one.  But I am not operating with anything close to full information.  I don't know their real strengths and weaknesses and neither do you.  I'm going to trust that Jim Schaus does.


Along your lines of thinking and the football reference --- is it possible than maybe we plan to put more emphasis on basketball going forward and thus why we may pay him $600K? The guy knows how to win clearly.
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Mike Coleman
4/2/2012 10:11 AM
For the board, if Groce goes to Illinois and gets canned down the line, would you take him back?
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Mark Lembright '85
4/2/2012 10:17 AM
Heck yes!! He knew how to get the team to win when it really mattered, and that's not easy to do.

I think it's a moot point; I think Groce will do well at Illinois, then Ohio State when he succeeds Matta.
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Pataskala
4/2/2012 10:31 AM
Jerry86 wrote:expand_more
Why is Christian taking a step back? Please answer that question. And please don't even try to compare the MAC with the Big 12.


I wonder if he is about to be shown the door at TCU.  Although they were 18-12, 9-7 in the MWC this season, his overall numbers -- 56-73, 18-44 -- are atrocious.  Not the kind of record that instills confidence in a coach whose school is moving up to the big time.   If we had a coach who had these kinds of numbers, he'd be on the bus, or under it.  Doesn't make sense as a hire at all. With the talent we have on board right now (even if DJ leaves), Schaus can do better.


Why not compare apples to apples. In the MAC -- and that is the conference we compete in Christian has won 73% of his games. Is that bad?

Love all you guys second guessing Schaus. And oh yeah, let's not even give Christian a chance to show what he can do.


Don't blame us for being skeptical.  If CBS is right, this is rather rushed.  What he did in the MAC was 8 years ago, and he apparently doesn't recruit well at the higher level.  Plus, he apparently stopped recruiting in the midwest.  This year's roster at TCU has two kids from the Bahamas, one from Croatia, one from the Virgin Islands, one from Mali, on from Puerto Rico, one from NY and nine from west of the Mississippi. He's big on offense (TCU was 72nd in the country) but lousy on defense (286th).  And as we found this year, offense makes the highlight reel but defense wins games.

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71 BOBCAT
4/2/2012 10:33 AM
$600K really, with the atheltic department still attempting to balance their budget. Pay him more than Solich?
This guy wants to leave a school that will be in the Big 12, i.e. BCS conference school for a Mid Major? Better recruits available in a BCS school than his former MWC.
$600K really! This guy didn't win a NCAA Tournamnet Game. We are now past having consistant 20 win seasons. We are expecting Sweet 16 appearances and 25 game winning seasons and many RPI 50 schools on our schedule.
$600K really? Do we really think this guy will make these expectations a reality?
If this hire is true we should all go on the record and write to the AD to voice our concerns with this hire.
$600K really, and the athletic department is calling every other month for more money...I don't think so.
$600K really?




GO BOBCATS
Last Edited: 4/2/2012 10:34:42 AM by 71 BOBCAT
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OUBob
4/2/2012 10:33 AM
Just found this thread, read all 8 pages at once. I am very shocked by this hire, as it was completely unexpected. After reading the entire thread, I an happy with this hire. Here is why.

1.) Ohio is a step up from TCU.
2.) He (nearly)*  turned around a dismal TCU team.
3.) *His super crappy year, he BOOTED the THREE BEST PLAYERS from the team. Thats a commitment.
4.) KILLED the MAC. Absolutely owned it.
5.) Great coaching pedigree.
6.) Recruites well. Alot of nice #'s associated with his TCU recruits. Maybe one of his '13 "considering" players     will now consider Ohio. 
7.) Jim Schauss thinks he is the man for the job.

Who says the players hate this? Has anyone talked face to face with the players? Have the players talked face to face with Christian? 
Last Edited: 4/2/2012 10:34:55 AM by OUBob
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