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BuddyLee
4/2/2012 12:06 AM
Gary Waters seemed to have a similar career path going from Kent St, to Rutgers, and then coming back to CSU.  (I just saw this is being discussed in another thread also)
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Mike Coleman
4/2/2012 12:10 AM
JSF wrote:expand_more
Mike, where did you get those stats? Ohio scored 70.2 and allowed 62.5 per game for a margin of +7.7.


From Ohiobobcats.com. Must've been looking at last year.

I went from HTML Fail to Total Fail.  Please disregard all but your original point that KSU's teams could play some great defense.
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KC Bobcat
4/2/2012 12:12 AM
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Kind of some interesting circumstances surrounding his 3rd season at TCU (2011).

Sounds like Christian had that team turning the corner only to have it unravel due to some disciplinary issues with key players. 

On the other hand, patience may be something that Christian deserves when you take into account how empty the cupboard was after Neil Dougherty's program-destroying reign finally ended. After it looked like the Frogs might finally be turning a corner this year (remember them beating tournament-bound USC with ease on November 29?), Christian kicked two of the most talented players (Sammy Yeager and Andre Clark) off the team and indefinitely suspended his best player (Tuffy Moss)- essentially killing any shot at the postseason.
 
I know that we, as fans, all want W's. But doesn't it say something about Jim Christian's character that- in a season where he really needed to turn things around- he didn't compromise his sense of right and wrong just for the sake of his employment?.... article link


If nothing else, something to keep in mind when evaluating the trajectory of that program and what kind of job Christian was doing. For those that want to throw out the "look at his record" arguments....would be a little irresponsible to not keep that in mind. 


Much better research than my quick look at his TCU bio page.  I'm starting to feel a little better about this.  Maybe I'll get some sleep.
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BuddyLee
4/2/2012 12:25 AM
Will be interesting to see how the players react to this hire.  I'm sure there will be some resistance to anybody new, but he's got a great mac track record and plenty of experience.  It's not like we're starting over with some complete unknown head coach so hopefully they are open to change and don't pre-judge before they learn what he's all about.
Last Edited: 4/2/2012 12:26:09 AM by BuddyLee
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TheRealMikeDrake
4/2/2012 12:25 AM
It's now April 2nd, guess this is real.

Some thoughts after I've chewed on this awhile:

Pros
*I always thought JC teams played a tough, physical defense.  I like that.
*I remember a guard heavy reliance, which works well in our league.
*He's coming back to familiar territory, at least nudges me to think it's a possible long term fit if things work out.
*Has a track record.  At least we don't have to worry about that.
*A quick google, but I don't see any TCU APR issues for basketball.  Although a baseball hit was found, and scared me for a second.

Cons
*Does he have a ceiling?  If so, are we ok with that?
*Does he warrant the salary increase (if the amount reported was accurate)?
*Was never a fan of the 'guy at the end of the bench with a chain' look.

Still lots of TBD's.  Staff, player buy-in, recruiting style, lessons learned, etc.

I think this board is in shock.  I fully expected numerous posts about "he did this at KSU, so think how successful he'll be here".  Someone sell me some koolaid.  I hate the mature bobcatattack.
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Suga Fries
4/2/2012 12:39 AM
team meeting at 9 according to Stevie on twitter
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Mr. Mo Jo Risin
4/2/2012 12:43 AM
Well, may as well keep the excitement high, pack the Convo and give Christian a reasonable shot. This is a critical time for the future of Ohio Basketball and pessimism and negativity will not help in the least.
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RSBobcat
4/2/2012 12:46 AM
Suga Fries wrote:expand_more
team meeting at 9 according to Stevie on twitter


Will be interesting to see the tenor of the post meeting tweets.......................
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left lane, hammer down
4/2/2012 12:56 AM
RSBobcat wrote:expand_more
team meeting at 9 according to Stevie on twitter


Will be interesting to see the tenor of the post meeting tweets.......................



Meeting with who??  Doubt 'flighttracker' will help us on this one. Ft. Worth is at the end of the range in the edu turbo-prop. Usually one fuel stop.
Commercial flight to KCMH and a rental car I suspect.
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Mike Coleman
4/2/2012 12:56 AM
The best part....Akron still hates us and we still hate them.
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Lash
4/2/2012 1:14 AM
KC Bobcat wrote:expand_more


"Also, Christian had to get out of TCU. There was no way that the program is ready to compete in the Big XII. This is a good move by him as his career would have probably been in ruins after a year facing Texas and Missouri."

Maybe someone should tell the writer that TCU will be replacing Missouri in the Big 12 next year, not facing them.


Someone did or they just checked the board - it now reads "Texas and Kansas"
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Brian Smith (No, not that one)
4/2/2012 1:22 AM
Mr. Mo Jo Risin wrote:expand_more
Well, may as well keep the excitement high, pack the Convo and give Christian a reasonable shot. This is a critical time for the future of Ohio Basketball and pessimism and negativity will not help in the least.


Oh, we'll circle the wagons. I've just got to sort out the fact that a guy I once photoshopped holding a a tray of wine and cheese on the sidelines will be Ohio's coach.
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Lash
4/2/2012 1:34 AM
My initial shock of hearing the news has worn off after reading the last seven pages of responses by OHIO fans.

And the more I think about the possible hire - I like it.

JC is a proven winner in the MAC and runs a guard-oriented system (or at least, that is what I read). He also is proven as a coach and has more experience than the other candidates we have mentioned numerous times on this board.

I think it can easily be overlooked, but when JG came here - he wasn't a very good coach. It was hard not to like his recruits, but his actual coaching was slightly below mediocre (we would talk about it all the time, I was under a different name back then).

It wasn't until this past season (you can argue, he was starting to turn the corner at the end of 2010-2011 season) when it was evident that JG had developed into a solid coach to go along with his recruiting talents. (Would also like to add, I know his team beat GTOWN, but we all know that team just got hot and made a run - I think we all just enjoyed the ride on that one)

Anyways, with a JG-like up-and-comer, we could have ended up with a coach trying to figure out his own system and how to manage a basketball program for the first time. I don't, personally, have a problem with that when it comes to eventually producing Sweet 16-like results.

However, the OHIO program is returning what could be one of the best rosters ever in school history. I would hate to sit around and hope that our up-and-comer figures it all out by the MAC tournament.

Obviously, Boals could have come in here and been better prepared than JG was or maybe the players would be  ready to make a run no matter who was the coach. We might never know.

All I can say, this could be a very solid hire. (as long as no one transfers)

Oh, last thing, about the postseason. Are we serious? Let's not get cocky. It is not easy to win in the NCAA Tournament. Especially when you get a bad seed because you are in the MAC.
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JSF
4/2/2012 1:39 AM
I can second guess Christian's postseason record or I can take confidence in the players' ability to deliver him some wins come March. Not sure where I am yet.
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Doc Bobcat
4/2/2012 7:18 AM
OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
Maybe Christian's wife teaches classics and Western Religions, so it's a twofer! 


Hopefully he is Mr. Right.....we're motoring:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKVa0nv7Auo

Last Edited: 4/2/2012 7:26:13 AM by Doc Bobcat
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TheBikeman
4/2/2012 7:26 AM
Seems like he might stay awhile in Athens, worked under Sendek. Knows the territory The next hot assistant that could have been hired would leave just like JG did.   600K  is what the job should pay to get a sitting head coach.

TCU basketball in the BIG 12 will continue to lag, they would love to hire Jamie Dixon @ Pitt who's an alum but that aint happening. He did quite well at KSU, looks like a prudent move
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tdcz756
4/2/2012 8:37 AM
Akron poster sums it up from the outsider's perspective.


What a phenomenal hire... for the rest of the MAC. wink.gif

Christian is going to run half of the current players and recruits out of town. Cooper is pissed, they already lost a commit, and I can't imagine the rest of the team is happy.

Not to mention the fact that he had a lot of off the court issues at Can't. Ohio has like 36 bars on campus (or something like that). Good luck keeping your JUCO buddies out of trouble Jim.

tomato.gif <--- OU AD. puke.gif <--- OU Fans/Players. macc.gif <--- Akron. screwks.gif <--- The Truth.
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oldkatz
4/2/2012 8:43 AM
Still befuddled by this hire and the "proven winner in the MAC" as the most positive comment so far.  After a night of reading comments and opinions, it seems that the tone has moved to acceptance but not excitement. 

$600K for acceptance may not satisfy this board.

But remember, we don't get a vote in this process; we only get to answer questions in the non-binding poll.
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Doc Bobcat
4/2/2012 8:54 AM
tdcz756 wrote:expand_more
Akron poster sums it up from the outsider's perspective.


What a phenomenal hire... for the rest of the MAC. wink.gif

Christian is going to run half of the current players and recruits out of town. Cooper is pissed, they already lost a commit, and I can't imagine the rest of the team is happy.

Not to mention the fact that he had a lot of off the court issues at Can't. Ohio has like 36 bars on campus (or something like that). Good luck keeping your JUCO buddies out of trouble Jim.

tomato.gif <--- OU AD. puke.gif <--- OU Fans/Players. macc.gif <--- Akron. screwks.gif <--- The Truth.


This is the scariest part of the entire hire.....the running current p;ayers and recruits out....not the 36 bars....although it's more like 35.
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71 BOBCAT
4/2/2012 8:57 AM

I have a few points to make: SOME HAVE BEEN MADE BY OTHERS BUT MY DISSAPOINTMENT RAGES ON.

1) This guy has a loosing record @ TCU, were his days numbered there? He probably only had 1 year left on his contract. He obvously displayed poor recruiting ability after 4 years and a loosing record. 
2) We are paying him more than Solich? Are you kidding me?

On the surface and from what we already know about this guy this is not going to sit well with the fans, alumni, and could be detrimental with the team.
What was our AD thinking?
If this is factual I for 1 will be writting a letter the the AD letting him know my dissapointment.
BAD HIRE




GO BOBCATS

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athena
4/2/2012 9:03 AM
Wasn't online over the weekend so this is all news to me this morning and I'm stunned.

Mr. Christian?

Trying to refrain from making Mutiny on the Bounty jokes...
Last Edited: 4/2/2012 9:04:15 AM by athena
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MFRONE
4/2/2012 9:10 AM
tdcz756 wrote:expand_more
Akron poster sums it up from the outsider's perspective.


What a phenomenal hire... for the rest of the MAC. wink.gif

Christian is going to run half of the current players and recruits out of town. Cooper is pissed, they already lost a commit, and I can't imagine the rest of the team is happy.

Not to mention the fact that he had a lot of off the court issues at Can't. Ohio has like 36 bars on campus (or something like that). Good luck keeping your JUCO buddies out of trouble Jim.

tomato.gif <--- OU AD. puke.gif <--- OU Fans/Players. macc.gif <--- Akron. screwks.gif <--- The Truth.

He's not going to run the current players out of town. Most of the players weren't happy with the Groce hiring and they weren't afraid to show it, but they didn't go anywhere. Guys aren't going to go sit out a year to play a year after this run.
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BobcatBeReal
4/2/2012 9:15 AM
This is a sad day for Ohio Basketball.
Our AD had an opportunity to hire one of our own in Jeff Boals or Dustin Ford., two proven winners. Instead, he was determined to hire someone that was a head coach.
Then he hires Jim Christian. A guy that was probably a year or two away from getting fired at TCU. A guy that had already interviewed for every other vacant position available.
Does any one wonder why a coach would leave a school going into the Big 12 to come to the MAC. The answer is obvious, he could see the ax falling.
Yes, he will run the present players off. Look for DJ to be the first to leave. Others will follow.
Then he will build our program with jucos just like he did at Kent.
Within a year he will start interviewing for other jobs.
We had a chance to hit a home run here and struck out.
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OakStreet
4/2/2012 9:16 AM
This seems like a very strong hire to me. When has OU ever hired a basketball coach with these kind of credentials coming into the job? The top winning percentage in MAC history! And also a guy who took a terrible program at TCU and had it on the way to becoming a winner if not for the upcoming transition into one of the strongest major conferences in the country. It has been amazing watching Ohio pull off these upsets in the NCAA tournament the past two trips, but I'll gladly take a coach who can get us to the tournament on a regular basis and be thankful once there to score an occasional upset.

Of course, players would initially rather have had a coach they already know or know about, but that's certainly no way to make a hiring decision (we could make a long list of examples of when a school has hired an alum or an existing assistant coach and it hasn't worked out). Ohio hasn't in the past had the ability to hire a coach who is a proven winner at this level and that's worth a lot. Being a head coach is quite a different job than being an assistant coach and when you hire a first-time head coach, you are always take a gamble. If you hire a coach that doesn't work out as a top-level head coach, that can set a program back quite a few years as recruiting is disrupted and you end up having to fire, hire and start over again.

I do hope that Christian is able to keep most of the existing players because if he does and can get off to a fast start next season, that will definitely help in winning a bunch of games in Athens over the upcoming years. But I think he'll win in any case. He'll recruit well in the MAC, as he has done before, and put together a run of 20+ win seasons.    
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Chuck_IV
4/2/2012 9:20 AM

I just don't understand why our AD even went after this guy, when you have the likes of Jeff Boals and Dustin Ford right under your nose. Also, why did the AD even talk tot he players and ask them what they wanted, then, from the looks of it, go completely against what they wanted?

This guy has a terrible record at TCU and showed no recruiting ability. Why, if we want to take this program up a notch, do we think he can do any better here?

This just doesn't sit well with me at ALL. It seems our program went from euphoric highs last week, to depressing lows this week.

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