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1/8/2020 11:41 AM
OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
Also, not surprised you’re not interested in history. Your generation generally feels the world was created at your birth specifically for your enjoyment. There’s a name for that in philosophy. It’s called solipsism.
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Donuts
1/8/2020 12:42 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
The draw when Unioto and John Glenn were down in the Convo was as tough as any other corner in the state. Trust me, there are years the SE Ohio draw can go toe-to-toe in the smaller schools level and if I recall John Glenn drilled SVSM in the state tournament that year as well.
Congratulations to John Glenn High School from the East District on the state title, "smacking" SVSM by 4 points.

I believe Chillicothe is the last SE Ohio team to win a state title in 30 years in the top three divisions. Maybe a couple of titles in D4?
Seeing how the SE has 72 schools, 3 in DI and 18 in DII, wow, yep shame on them for not dominating those upper 3 divisions. 200 schools roughly in each division. In DI, SE has 3 schools, 18 in DII and 28 in DIII, everything is proportional. And since you have to win a title to be successful, what have you got to say about OHIO football and basketball. In last 30 years, OHIO has won 1 regular season title and has yet to win an NCAA title. Yeah, it’s a silly comparison, just like what you are trying to pain. And sadly, for about the 10th year in a row the High School basketball tournament will be the largest event in the Convo. And in the past 10 years has had the largest crowd.
Once again jumping to whatever conclusion you are hoping to argue against.

I simply stated that the example was a team not in the SE District, then started wondering when the last team won from the district.

The SE District team mentioned, Unioto, was 26-1 in 2014-2015. Undefeated until they played their first game out of the district, then lost.

The next year, they lost to a Vinton County team that was solid, who a couple games later stepped out of the SE District to lose to future state champion John Glenn by 27. So, not exactly a glowing example of the mighty SE District. Other than Chillicothe because they are still an OCC team at heart, and the teams in the MSL because of conference affiliations, most of the SE District teams don't leave much until they have to.
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1/8/2020 1:09 PM
Andrew Ruck wrote:expand_more
Also, not surprised you’re not interested in history. Your generation generally feels the world was created at your birth specifically for your enjoyment. There’s a name for that in philosophy. It’s called solipsism.
ok boomer
Not a boomer, though I'm married to one. I, like our football coach, am a War Baby!
War? What war? Ah nevermind, I don't care.
No not THAT war! ;-)

Seriously, that's what my generation is called. We are not boomers, and take it as a slight insult to be called one.
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BillyTheCat
1/8/2020 2:59 PM
Donuts wrote:expand_more
The draw when Unioto and John Glenn were down in the Convo was as tough as any other corner in the state. Trust me, there are years the SE Ohio draw can go toe-to-toe in the smaller schools level and if I recall John Glenn drilled SVSM in the state tournament that year as well.
Congratulations to John Glenn High School from the East District on the state title, "smacking" SVSM by 4 points.

I believe Chillicothe is the last SE Ohio team to win a state title in 30 years in the top three divisions. Maybe a couple of titles in D4?
Seeing how the SE has 72 schools, 3 in DI and 18 in DII, wow, yep shame on them for not dominating those upper 3 divisions. 200 schools roughly in each division. In DI, SE has 3 schools, 18 in DII and 28 in DIII, everything is proportional. And since you have to win a title to be successful, what have you got to say about OHIO football and basketball. In last 30 years, OHIO has won 1 regular season title and has yet to win an NCAA title. Yeah, it’s a silly comparison, just like what you are trying to pain. And sadly, for about the 10th year in a row the High School basketball tournament will be the largest event in the Convo. And in the past 10 years has had the largest crowd.
Once again jumping to whatever conclusion you are hoping to argue against.

I simply stated that the example was a team not in the SE District, then started wondering when the last team won from the district.

The SE District team mentioned, Unioto, was 26-1 in 2014-2015. Undefeated until they played their first game out of the district, then lost.

The next year, they lost to a Vinton County team that was solid, who a couple games later stepped out of the SE District to lose to future state champion John Glenn by 27. So, not exactly a glowing example of the mighty SE District. Other than Chillicothe because they are still an OCC team at heart, and the teams in the MSL because of conference affiliations, most of the SE District teams don't leave much until they have to.
Curious how Chillicothe is an OCC team at heart? Haven’t been in OCC for almost 20 years.
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1/8/2020 3:16 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
The draw when Unioto and John Glenn were down in the Convo was as tough as any other corner in the state. Trust me, there are years the SE Ohio draw can go toe-to-toe in the smaller schools level and if I recall John Glenn drilled SVSM in the state tournament that year as well.
Congratulations to John Glenn High School from the East District on the state title, "smacking" SVSM by 4 points.

I believe Chillicothe is the last SE Ohio team to win a state title in 30 years in the top three divisions. Maybe a couple of titles in D4?
Seeing how the SE has 72 schools, 3 in DI and 18 in DII, wow, yep shame on them for not dominating those upper 3 divisions. 200 schools roughly in each division. In DI, SE has 3 schools, 18 in DII and 28 in DIII, everything is proportional. And since you have to win a title to be successful, what have you got to say about OHIO football and basketball. In last 30 years, OHIO has won 1 regular season title and has yet to win an NCAA title. Yeah, it’s a silly comparison, just like what you are trying to pain. And sadly, for about the 10th year in a row the High School basketball tournament will be the largest event in the Convo. And in the past 10 years has had the largest crowd.
Once again jumping to whatever conclusion you are hoping to argue against.

I simply stated that the example was a team not in the SE District, then started wondering when the last team won from the district.

The SE District team mentioned, Unioto, was 26-1 in 2014-2015. Undefeated until they played their first game out of the district, then lost.

The next year, they lost to a Vinton County team that was solid, who a couple games later stepped out of the SE District to lose to future state champion John Glenn by 27. So, not exactly a glowing example of the mighty SE District. Other than Chillicothe because they are still an OCC team at heart, and the teams in the MSL because of conference affiliations, most of the SE District teams don't leave much until they have to.
Curious how Chillicothe is an OCC team at heart? Haven’t been in OCC for almost 20 years.
'cause it fits his narrative. That's why!
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Donuts
1/8/2020 5:13 PM
Chillicothe isn't the city it once was, but they still consider themselves a big school and schedules that way more than others. Whether they are D1 or D2, they put teams on the schedule no other SE Ohio team does. It views itself as big, and will go out of the SE District. That is pretty clear I would think to anyone other than trolls. I could have used the COL as an example for the really old people as the big school league. Still confused?

Chillicothe out-of-league

2019-2020

Upper Arlington
St. Charles
Canal Winchester
Lockland

2018-2019

Granville
Canal Winchester
Upper Arlington

2017-2018

Reynoldsburg
Marion-Franklin
Upper Arlington
Thomas Worthington
Harvest Prep

2016-2017

Wilmington
Upper Arlington
Marion-Franklin
Pickerington Central
Westerville South

2015-2016

Africentric
Pickerington Central
Upper Arlington
Wilmington


2014-2015

Gahanna
Upper Arlington
Groveport-Madison
Wilmington


Poor Athens lost that one team on their schedule past Lancaster once Bishop Watterson became bored. Oh well, plenty of schools to feast on locally.
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Donuts
1/8/2020 6:51 PM
Tournament record for SE District teams against non-SE District teams in the last decade

14-35

SE District at the state tournament in the last decade

1-6

SEO state champions in the last century:

Chillicothe
Portsmouth
South Webster
Oak Hill
Waterloo
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BillyTheCat
1/8/2020 9:11 PM
Donuts wrote:expand_more
Tournament record for SE District teams against non-SE District teams in the last decade

14-35

SE District at the state tournament in the last decade

1-6

SEO state champions in the last century:

Chillicothe
Portsmouth
South Webster
Oak Hill
Waterloo
SE Ohio also has a grand total of 72 schools, Central District has 48 D1 schools alone. I’m shocked that SE teams even bother to field teams, poor kids don’t have a chance.
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Donuts
1/8/2020 9:26 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
Tournament record for SE District teams against non-SE District teams in the last decade

14-35

SE District at the state tournament in the last decade

1-6

SEO state champions in the last century:

Chillicothe
Portsmouth
South Webster
Oak Hill
Waterloo
SE Ohio also has a grand total of 72 schools, Central District has 48 D1 schools alone. I’m shocked that SE teams even bother to field teams, poor kids don’t have a chance.
Which changes what exactly? You can not play a team outside the SE district and make the Final Four in D3.
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Alan Swank
1/8/2020 10:18 PM
Donuts wrote:expand_more
Tournament record for SE District teams against non-SE District teams in the last decade

14-35

SE District at the state tournament in the last decade

1-6

SEO state champions in the last century:

Chillicothe
Portsmouth
South Webster
Oak Hill
Waterloo
SE Ohio also has a grand total of 72 schools, Central District has 48 D1 schools alone. I’m shocked that SE teams even bother to field teams, poor kids don’t have a chance.
Which changes what exactly? You can not play a team outside the SE district and make the Final Four in D3.
Intereesting info about the SE District and its 71 boys teams in basketball.

https://ohsaaweb.blob.core.windows.net/files/DAB/SouthEas...

https://ohsaaweb.blob.core.windows.net/files/DAB/SouthEas...

https://ohsaaweb.blob.core.windows.net/files/DAB/SouthEas...
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Donuts
1/8/2020 10:46 PM
By the way, high school support largely has to do with a good mix of wins/losses, and people having a connection to the school. There’s a lot more local high school graduates in any SE district compared to OU grads. People stay local. Of course they are going to come see the family member, friend or neighbor play in the big arena once or twice before they almost all bow out. How man SE Ohio kids have played in front of 10k fans again in their life? Maybe a handful the last two decades at most.

But congrats on selling all those tickets. Business be boomin’. If only tickets sold was related in any way to any point in this thread.
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1/9/2020 2:02 AM
Donuts wrote:expand_more
By the way, high school support largely has to do with a good mix of wins/losses, and people having a connection to the school. There’s a lot more local high school graduates in any SE district compared to OU grads. People stay local. Of course they are going to come see the family member, friend or neighbor play in the big arena once or twice before they almost all bow out. How man SE Ohio kids have played in front of 10k fans again in their life? Maybe a handful the last two decades at most.

But congrats on selling all those tickets. Business be boomin’. If only tickets sold was related in any way to any point in this thread.
I agree, I look for all SE teams to withdraw from all tournaments this year in a preemptive move so not to embarrass themselves and their families for the ultimate failure of not winning a State Title. I also spoke with the sports reporter from the Daily Times this afternoon and suggested to him to do what is right and to give away any of the SE All-State awards to the big cities, because the Appalachian kids are just stealing a handout that they never earned.
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1/9/2020 5:04 AM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
By the way, high school support largely has to do with a good mix of wins/losses, and people having a connection to the school. There’s a lot more local high school graduates in any SE district compared to OU grads. People stay local. Of course they are going to come see the family member, friend or neighbor play in the big arena once or twice before they almost all bow out. How man SE Ohio kids have played in front of 10k fans again in their life? Maybe a handful the last two decades at most.

But congrats on selling all those tickets. Business be boomin’. If only tickets sold was related in any way to any point in this thread.
I agree, I look for all SE teams to withdraw from all tournaments this year in a preemptive move so not to embarrass themselves and their families for the ultimate failure of not winning a State Title. I also spoke with the sports reporter from the Daily Times this afternoon and suggested to him to do what is right and to give away any of the SE All-State awards to the big cities, because the Appalachian kids are just stealing a handout that they never earned.
Seems reasonable, since all I stated was the best players in the district have the most opportunities to stat pad. Then when questioned on it provided all the info one would need while you look at every post and hope to change the argument to distract from the point.

At least you are reasonable about all your jumping to conclusions.
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1/9/2020 10:13 AM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
By the way, high school support largely has to do with a good mix of wins/losses, and people having a connection to the school. There’s a lot more local high school graduates in any SE district compared to OU grads. People stay local. Of course they are going to come see the family member, friend or neighbor play in the big arena once or twice before they almost all bow out. How man SE Ohio kids have played in front of 10k fans again in their life? Maybe a handful the last two decades at most.

But congrats on selling all those tickets. Business be boomin’. If only tickets sold was related in any way to any point in this thread.
I agree, I look for all SE teams to withdraw from all tournaments this year in a preemptive move so not to embarrass themselves and their families for the ultimate failure of not winning a State Title. I also spoke with the sports reporter from the Daily Times this afternoon and suggested to him to do what is right and to give away any of the SE All-State awards to the big cities, because the Appalachian kids are just stealing a handout that they never earned.
+1 Though he denies it, this does seem to be the general impetus behind his posts. Us hicks better just know our place, and stay fat, dumb and happy with our moonshine, Pepsi and moon pies.
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1/9/2020 10:15 AM
Donuts wrote:expand_more
By the way, high school support largely has to do with a good mix of wins/losses, and people having a connection to the school. There’s a lot more local high school graduates in any SE district compared to OU grads. People stay local. Of course they are going to come see the family member, friend or neighbor play in the big arena once or twice before they almost all bow out. How man SE Ohio kids have played in front of 10k fans again in their life? Maybe a handful the last two decades at most.

But congrats on selling all those tickets. Business be boomin’. If only tickets sold was related in any way to any point in this thread.
I agree, I look for all SE teams to withdraw from all tournaments this year in a preemptive move so not to embarrass themselves and their families for the ultimate failure of not winning a State Title. I also spoke with the sports reporter from the Daily Times this afternoon and suggested to him to do what is right and to give away any of the SE All-State awards to the big cities, because the Appalachian kids are just stealing a handout that they never earned.
Seems reasonable, since all I stated was the best players in the district have the most opportunities to stat pad. Then when questioned on it provided all the info one would need while you look at every post and hope to change the argument to distract from the point.

At least you are reasonable about all your jumping to conclusions.
Nope, not jumping to conclusions, I agree 110%, the best players in the SE District (save the rare athlete) are not worth of recognition because they are far inferior to the kids in non-Appalachian parts of the state. You have me thoroughly convinced. Convinced enough that I have sent an e-mail to Wiseman, Boggs, Leist my comments that they really should pass on having All-State nominations from such a poorly deserving region.
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1/9/2020 11:21 AM
OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
+1 Though he denies it, this does seem to be the general impetus behind his posts. Us hicks better just know our place, and stay fat, dumb and happy with our moonshine, Pepsi and moon pies.
Said nothing you are rambling about, but sorry that it seems as though you've been bullied for your SE Ohio-ness in your past. I'd suggest talking to a therapist.
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1/9/2020 11:53 AM
Donuts wrote:expand_more
+1 Though he denies it, this does seem to be the general impetus behind his posts. Us hicks better just know our place, and stay fat, dumb and happy with our moonshine, Pepsi and moon pies.
Said nothing you are rambling about, but sorry that it seems as though you've been bullied for your SE Ohio-ness in your past. I'd suggest talking to a therapist.
I am just agreeing with you, you've made me see the light, Burrow was not worthy of All-Ohio because he padded stats against inferior competition.
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1/9/2020 12:05 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
Nope, not jumping to conclusions, I agree 110%, the best players in the SE District (save the rare athlete) are not worth of recognition because they are far inferior to the kids in non-Appalachian parts of the state. You have me thoroughly convinced. Convinced enough that I have sent an e-mail to Wiseman, Boggs, Leist my comments that they really should pass on having All-State nominations from such a poorly deserving region.
Last year,

SE District had roughly 10% of the teams in the state in D2. However, they occupied 17% of the spots on All-State.

SE District had roughly 15% of the teams in the state in D3. However, they occupied right around 20% of the spots on All-State.

The few years I bothered checking had very similar breakdowns. It's almost like there's a quota...
Last Edited: 1/9/2020 12:06:30 PM by Donuts
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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
1/9/2020 12:34 PM
OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
By the way, high school support largely has to do with a good mix of wins/losses, and people having a connection to the school. There’s a lot more local high school graduates in any SE district compared to OU grads. People stay local. Of course they are going to come see the family member, friend or neighbor play in the big arena once or twice before they almost all bow out. How man SE Ohio kids have played in front of 10k fans again in their life? Maybe a handful the last two decades at most.

But congrats on selling all those tickets. Business be boomin’. If only tickets sold was related in any way to any point in this thread.
I agree, I look for all SE teams to withdraw from all tournaments this year in a preemptive move so not to embarrass themselves and their families for the ultimate failure of not winning a State Title. I also spoke with the sports reporter from the Daily Times this afternoon and suggested to him to do what is right and to give away any of the SE All-State awards to the big cities, because the Appalachian kids are just stealing a handout that they never earned.
+1 Though he denies it, this does seem to be the general impetus behind his posts. Us hicks better just know our place, and stay fat, dumb and happy with our moonshine, Pepsi and moon pies.
I don't see that anywhere in his posts or tone. What gives you that idea?
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1/9/2020 2:00 PM
Donuts wrote:expand_more
Nope, not jumping to conclusions, I agree 110%, the best players in the SE District (save the rare athlete) are not worth of recognition because they are far inferior to the kids in non-Appalachian parts of the state. You have me thoroughly convinced. Convinced enough that I have sent an e-mail to Wiseman, Boggs, Leist my comments that they really should pass on having All-State nominations from such a poorly deserving region.
Last year,

SE District had roughly 10% of the teams in the state in D2. However, they occupied 17% of the spots on All-State.

SE District had roughly 15% of the teams in the state in D3. However, they occupied right around 20% of the spots on All-State.

The few years I bothered checking had very similar breakdowns. It's almost like there's a quota...
LOL, maybe you should speak with an AP writer and let them explain to you the process. Just like teams to the Regional Tournament it’s all proportional based on representation.
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Donuts
1/9/2020 2:11 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
Nope, not jumping to conclusions, I agree 110%, the best players in the SE District (save the rare athlete) are not worth of recognition because they are far inferior to the kids in non-Appalachian parts of the state. You have me thoroughly convinced. Convinced enough that I have sent an e-mail to Wiseman, Boggs, Leist my comments that they really should pass on having All-State nominations from such a poorly deserving region.
Last year,

SE District had roughly 10% of the teams in the state in D2. However, they occupied 17% of the spots on All-State.

SE District had roughly 15% of the teams in the state in D3. However, they occupied right around 20% of the spots on All-State.

The few years I bothered checking had very similar breakdowns. It's almost like there's a quota...

LOL, maybe you should speak with an AP writer and let them explain to you the process. Just like teams to the Regional Tournament it’s all proportional based on representation.
LOL, they don’t need to explain anything to me. I’m proving with numbers what I’ve said all along. I know why the numbers are what they are. It illustrates my point perfectly. I can only imagine how many superior players don’t make All-State because a SE Ohio team that went .500 needs a rep.
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1/9/2020 3:08 PM
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:expand_more
By the way, high school support largely has to do with a good mix of wins/losses, and people having a connection to the school. There’s a lot more local high school graduates in any SE district compared to OU grads. People stay local. Of course they are going to come see the family member, friend or neighbor play in the big arena once or twice before they almost all bow out. How man SE Ohio kids have played in front of 10k fans again in their life? Maybe a handful the last two decades at most.

But congrats on selling all those tickets. Business be boomin’. If only tickets sold was related in any way to any point in this thread.
I agree, I look for all SE teams to withdraw from all tournaments this year in a preemptive move so not to embarrass themselves and their families for the ultimate failure of not winning a State Title. I also spoke with the sports reporter from the Daily Times this afternoon and suggested to him to do what is right and to give away any of the SE All-State awards to the big cities, because the Appalachian kids are just stealing a handout that they never earned.
+1 Though he denies it, this does seem to be the general impetus behind his posts. Us hicks better just know our place, and stay fat, dumb and happy with our moonshine, Pepsi and moon pies.
I don't see that anywhere in his posts or tone. What gives you that idea?
It seems if you read this thread that both BTC and I both picked up the same vib. If you don't, it may just mean your not sensitive to the same things that we are. It's clear to me that he's cherry picking stats to prove that SEO kids are inferior. I find his attitude very elitist and snobbish, if not downright bigotry.
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Donuts
1/9/2020 4:06 PM
I can’t believe I cherry picked these stats:

SE District loses 72% of the time when playing non-SE district schools in the last decade.

SE District is slightly over represented on all-state accolades when looking at strictly percentages, despite said collective record.

Athens has just over 600 students. The next closest is Vinton County at 470 and Meigs, which is right below 400. Nelsonville-York has 260.

Please share with all of us stats that prove the SE District is good at basketball.
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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
1/9/2020 4:16 PM
OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
It seems if you read this thread that both BTC and I both picked up the same vib. If you don't, it may just mean your not sensitive to the same things that we are. It's clear to me that he's cherry picking stats to prove that SEO kids are inferior. I find his attitude very elitist and snobbish, if not downright bigotry.
Yeah, I know you're both sensitive to this. I've asked twice for examples of what made you feel that way. What, specifically, did he say? You don't think it's possible for somebody to feel that basketball in SE Ohio's not on par with basketball in some other areas of the state without it being 'elitist and snobbish'?

He's been pretty measured -- I'm really not sure I understand the sensitivity here.
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Alan Swank
1/9/2020 6:00 PM
Donuts wrote:expand_more
I can’t believe I cherry picked these stats:

SE District loses 72% of the time when playing non-SE district schools in the last decade.

SE District is slightly over represented on all-state accolades when looking at strictly percentages, despite said collective record.

Athens has just over 600 students. The next closest is Vinton County at 470 and Meigs, which is right below 400. Nelsonville-York has 260.

Please share with all of us stats that prove the SE District is good at basketball.
If these are the numbers that you are quoting, they are based on enrollment during ADM (average daily membership - students in attendance) during the October enrollment count. Additionally, these numbers represent only those students in grades 9 - 11, not the entire student body. But back to the conversation about school size and competitive balance, Athens is way bigger than all of the schools in the TVC.

https://ohsaa.org/school-resources/school-enrollment
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