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Topic: Joe Burrow the roundballer?
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Donuts
1/5/2020 11:54 AM
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If you weren’t so old I’d think you were trolling at this point. Then I realize you might be setting a record for oldest example ever to prove a basketball point in internet history.

I never once said anything about the mistake by the lake either. But I guess the SE Ohio comments are so much in your head you’re flustered.

I’m sorry I offended you with the SE Ohio basketball slander. Every other night it’s just a dog fight in the mighty TVC as Athens beats up on a bunch of tiny rural schools. Is there even one student taller than Burrow currently enrolled in half those schools?
I was talking with a late 60s/early 70s Gallia Academy grad at the library in Gallipolis on Friday about this very thing. She and I were both commenting on how much better the SEOAL was than the current situation where Athens and Gallia Academy both have stellar records beating up on teams often half their size in enrollment. If you ever get a chance to see the number of players who make all TVC it will make you chuckle. It's based on where you finish in the standings. In volleyball, the first place team gets 5 players on the team, second gets 4 and so on an so forth. Every team is assured of at least one player. How would you like to be the coach who has to decide which of his/her starters doesn't make first team on a league championship team?
That's pretty much what happens at the state level too, which goes along with my point. In some of these sports the Athens backups or JV team would be a better option as another team in the league. Athens High School should view it as a disappointment every time they don't win a league title in any sport. The biggest school, the kids of OU employees bump, and the best resources.

Every district at the state level has a quota like it's the MLB All-Star game. I'm sorry it offends so many people here, but more often than not, the SE Ohio kids who make 1st or 2nd team All-State are the weak links. Then you can play the game of how many guys below them are better, but play for very talented teams in loaded districts.

The SE Ohio kids who are even Marietta/Capital/Otterbein level good can dominate every night in their league at the D2 level. Just look at the list over the last few years if you want names. There's a reason teams like Fairfield Union, Circleville and a few others fought hard to move from the Central to the Southeast District. No one in the SE District is begging to be in the Central or thrown in with Cincinnati schools.

By the time it gets to the Honorable and Special Mention, it should basically just be a list of the __ high scorers from each district. That's all it really is in basketball. In other sports it's probably even less of an effort.
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Donuts
1/5/2020 12:16 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
6’11 Caleb Terry. Drops Mic and walks away.
Names one random tall guy and plays it off as the norm...

Keep pretending the average TVC team doesn't have a center taller than the Heisman Trophy winner.
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BillyTheCat
1/5/2020 9:44 PM
Donuts wrote:expand_more
6’11 Caleb Terry. Drops Mic and walks away.
Names one random tall guy and plays it off as the norm...

Keep pretending the average TVC team doesn't have a center taller than the Heisman Trophy winner.
You asked, and I quote, “Is there even one student taller than Burrow currently enrolled in half those schools?“, I simply answered your question off the top of my head impromptu. Don’t like the answer, don’t ask the question!
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BillyTheCat
1/5/2020 9:47 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
6’11 Caleb Terry. Drops Mic and walks away.
Names one random tall guy and plays it off as the norm...

Keep pretending the average TVC team doesn't have a center taller than the Heisman Trophy winner.
You asked, and I quote, “Is there even one student taller than Burrow currently enrolled in half those schools?“, I simply answered your question off the top of my head impromptu. Don’t like the answer, don’t ask the question, and the answer would be yes, Burrow’s former school has 2 on the current treM, Meigs and River Valley 2 each, really not tough a feat. I’d rather ask this way, how many MAC Basketball players in last years class from Ohio, we’re not all state?!
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Donuts
1/6/2020 12:07 AM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
6’11 Caleb Terry. Drops Mic and walks away.
Names one random tall guy and plays it off as the norm...

Keep pretending the average TVC team doesn't have a center taller than the Heisman Trophy winner.
You asked, and I quote, “Is there even one student taller than Burrow currently enrolled in half those schools?“, I simply answered your question off the top of my head impromptu. Don’t like the answer, don’t ask the question!
For someone who loves answering 25% of a question, I guess odds are I will never hear what you were arguing about in the first place. All you did was grasp on to a few outliers like the SE District, by and large, is not a joke.
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BillyTheCat
1/6/2020 6:22 AM
Donuts wrote:expand_more
6’11 Caleb Terry. Drops Mic and walks away.
Names one random tall guy and plays it off as the norm...

Keep pretending the average TVC team doesn't have a center taller than the Heisman Trophy winner.
You asked, and I quote, “Is there even one student taller than Burrow currently enrolled in half those schools?“, I simply answered your question off the top of my head impromptu. Don’t like the answer, don’t ask the question!
For someone who loves answering 25% of a question, I guess odds are I will never hear what you were arguing about in the first place. All you did was grasp on to a few outliers like the SE District, by and large, is not a joke.
I just take acceptation to your assumption that Burrow could not have been anything if he played anywhere else. The basis of your original argument was that the level of play was so weak that he couldn’t develop and he paddedstats against weak schools. However you ignore what he did against the best competition he faced. That’s ok, it’s your opinion, many on here said he’d never play big time in football either
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OhioCatFan
1/6/2020 10:06 AM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
If you weren’t so old I’d think you were trolling at this point. Then I realize you might be setting a record for oldest example ever to prove a basketball point in internet history.

I never once said anything about the mistake by the lake either. But I guess the SE Ohio comments are so much in your head you’re flustered.

I’m sorry I offended you with the SE Ohio basketball slander. Every other night it’s just a dog fight in the mighty TVC as Athens beats up on a bunch of tiny rural schools. Is there even one student taller than Burrow currently enrolled in half those schools?
6’11 Caleb Terry. Drops Mic and walks away.
+1

And for the record, donuthole, I was opposed at the time and still am to Athens’ move to the TVC. It was a callus move by the school and helped lead to demise of the much stronger SEOAL, in which AHS was struggling in football. Also, not surprised you’re not interested in history. Your generation generally feels the world was created at your birth specifically for your enjoyment. There’s a name for that in philosophy. It’s called solipsism.
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Donuts
1/6/2020 10:19 AM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
6’11 Caleb Terry. Drops Mic and walks away.
Names one random tall guy and plays it off as the norm...

Keep pretending the average TVC team doesn't have a center taller than the Heisman Trophy winner.
You asked, and I quote, “Is there even one student taller than Burrow currently enrolled in half those schools?“, I simply answered your question off the top of my head impromptu. Don’t like the answer, don’t ask the question!
For someone who loves answering 25% of a question, I guess odds are I will never hear what you were arguing about in the first place. All you did was grasp on to a few outliers like the SE District, by and large, is not a joke.
I just take acceptation to your assumption that Burrow could not have been anything if he played anywhere else. The basis of your original argument was that the level of play was so weak that he couldn’t develop and he paddedstats against weak schools. However you ignore what he did against the best competition he faced. That’s ok, it’s your opinion, many on here said he’d never play big time in football either
So, changing up what I said to fit your narrative. For like the fifth time, I said he was a D1 caliber basketball player. That is a pretty far cry from "could not have been anything." The original comparison was to Jason Carter, a junior first-teamer who now starts in the Big East, and Jordan Dartis, a guy who could end his career with the most 3-pointers in MAC history and killed it in a significantly tougher D1 high school conference. Oh, and Ibi Watson, a more talented player than Burrow who was a grade behind that ended up playing Big Ten/A-10 basketball. That's a pretty huge leap to go from Burrow not being better than them, to he's not anything.

I rated him as low D1, which also means a mid-major if he wanted to spend a year or two as a low minute role player. Given that you said he would not play basketball at LSU or Ohio State, there doesn't seem to be too much of a gap on assessment.

What it really seems to boils down to is me commenting on SE Ohio basketball in general. I get it, you live in the heart of it. Every good basketball player from the last several decades in SE Ohio has more opportunities to pad stats than other regions. That's just a fact. I'd argue for the last decade, Athens High School might just be the top school in Ohio to pad stats if you are a good athlete with that terrible small school conference.
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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
1/6/2020 10:24 AM
OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
If you weren’t so old I’d think you were trolling at this point. Then I realize you might be setting a record for oldest example ever to prove a basketball point in internet history.

I never once said anything about the mistake by the lake either. But I guess the SE Ohio comments are so much in your head you’re flustered.

I’m sorry I offended you with the SE Ohio basketball slander. Every other night it’s just a dog fight in the mighty TVC as Athens beats up on a bunch of tiny rural schools. Is there even one student taller than Burrow currently enrolled in half those schools?
6’11 Caleb Terry. Drops Mic and walks away.
+1

And for the record, donuthole, I was opposed at the time and still am to Athens’ move to the TVC. It was a callus move by the school and helped lead to demise of the much stronger SEOAL, in which AHS was struggling in football. Also, not surprised you’re not interested in history. Your generation generally feels the world was created at your birth specifically for your enjoyment. There’s a name for that in philosophy. It’s called solipsism.
This is a conversation about the quality of SE Ohio basketball when Joe Burrow played; questioning the value of referencing that the 1934/35 State Champs were from Waterloo isn't a "lack of interest in history" or solipsism.

But by all means, let's make this a conversation about generational differences. Seems like a really productive direction to take this conversation.
Last Edited: 1/6/2020 10:25:42 AM by Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
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OhioCatFan
1/6/2020 10:40 AM
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:expand_more
If you weren’t so old I’d think you were trolling at this point. Then I realize you might be setting a record for oldest example ever to prove a basketball point in internet history.

I never once said anything about the mistake by the lake either. But I guess the SE Ohio comments are so much in your head you’re flustered.

I’m sorry I offended you with the SE Ohio basketball slander. Every other night it’s just a dog fight in the mighty TVC as Athens beats up on a bunch of tiny rural schools. Is there even one student taller than Burrow currently enrolled in half those schools?
6’11 Caleb Terry. Drops Mic and walks away.
+1

And for the record, donuthole, I was opposed at the time and still am to Athens’ move to the TVC. It was a callus move by the school and helped lead to demise of the much stronger SEOAL, in which AHS was struggling in football. Also, not surprised you’re not interested in history. Your generation generally feels the world was created at your birth specifically for your enjoyment. There’s a name for that in philosophy. It’s called solipsism.
This is a conversation about the quality of SE Ohio basketball when Joe Burrow played; questioning the value of referencing that the 1934/35 State Champs were from Waterloo isn't a "lack of interest in history" or solipsism.

But by all means, let's make this a conversation about generational differences. Seems like a really productive direction to take this conversation.
Just carrying on in the theme that donuthole started. And, if you didn't catch the drift of his remarks, they were a dissing of SEO in general. Not hard to spot that kind elitism. Reminds me of a certain former sports editor of the Messenger who once wrote a column saying that SEO athletics lagged behind the rest of the state because this was was last part of the state to be settled by Europeans. Talk about historical ignorance.
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Donuts
1/6/2020 10:40 AM
OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
If you weren’t so old I’d think you were trolling at this point. Then I realize you might be setting a record for oldest example ever to prove a basketball point in internet history.

I never once said anything about the mistake by the lake either. But I guess the SE Ohio comments are so much in your head you’re flustered.

I’m sorry I offended you with the SE Ohio basketball slander. Every other night it’s just a dog fight in the mighty TVC as Athens beats up on a bunch of tiny rural schools. Is there even one student taller than Burrow currently enrolled in half those schools?
6’11 Caleb Terry. Drops Mic and walks away.
+1

And for the record, donuthole, I was opposed at the time and still am to Athens’ move to the TVC. It was a callus move by the school and helped lead to demise of the much stronger SEOAL, in which AHS was struggling in football. Also, not surprised you’re not interested in history. Your generation generally feels the world was created at your birth specifically for your enjoyment. There’s a name for that in philosophy. It’s called solipsism.
You want to break down the general health of that area 90 years ago to how it is now? Or would it be better to compare how basketball is played now, and how it was played more than a decade before the NBA came to be? It is a completely different world in every aspect.

Who do you have as the top baseball talent from the area? I say Denton Young once his team applied to OHSAA to be placed in the SE District. They wanted to dodge Eddie Delahanty and dem boys from the Cleveland region until later in the state tournament.

I'm still mad the Spartans were stolen by Detroit.
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1/6/2020 10:47 AM
OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
If you weren’t so old I’d think you were trolling at this point. Then I realize you might be setting a record for oldest example ever to prove a basketball point in internet history.

I never once said anything about the mistake by the lake either. But I guess the SE Ohio comments are so much in your head you’re flustered.

I’m sorry I offended you with the SE Ohio basketball slander. Every other night it’s just a dog fight in the mighty TVC as Athens beats up on a bunch of tiny rural schools. Is there even one student taller than Burrow currently enrolled in half those schools?
6’11 Caleb Terry. Drops Mic and walks away.
+1

And for the record, donuthole, I was opposed at the time and still am to Athens’ move to the TVC. It was a callus move by the school and helped lead to demise of the much stronger SEOAL, in which AHS was struggling in football. Also, not surprised you’re not interested in history. Your generation generally feels the world was created at your birth specifically for your enjoyment. There’s a name for that in philosophy. It’s called solipsism.
This is a conversation about the quality of SE Ohio basketball when Joe Burrow played; questioning the value of referencing that the 1934/35 State Champs were from Waterloo isn't a "lack of interest in history" or solipsism.

But by all means, let's make this a conversation about generational differences. Seems like a really productive direction to take this conversation.
Just carrying on in the theme that donuthole started. And, if you didn't catch the drift of his remarks, they were a dissing of SEO in general. Not hard to spot that kind elitism. Reminds me of a certain former sports editor of the Messenger who once wrote a column saying that SEO athletics lagged behind the rest of the state because this was was last part of the state to be settled by Europeans. Talk about historical ignorance.
Dude, I'm from the SE Ohio region. Had to go compete against big city school kids to ever get any respect. The SE District is collectively not good. This is not even an opinion. Just look at results, where District Player of the Years go to college, etc. Now everyone come run to post the few outliers over the last several decades to try and prove something.
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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
1/6/2020 10:49 AM
OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
Just carrying on in the theme that donuthole started. And, if you didn't catch the drift of his remarks, they were a dissing of SEO in general. Not hard to spot that kind elitism.
I didn't catch that. Can you quote what he said that led you to believe that?
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1/6/2020 10:54 AM
Donuts wrote:expand_more
I'm still mad the Spartans were stolen by Detroit.
Me too!

Somewhere I have an old tape I did for a WOUB series, "Great Moments in Sports," about their loss to Chicago in the NFL championship game in 1932. That was produced under tutelage of Joe Tait.

Later, while working on my master's at the Big Farm in Cowtown, I met Dutch Clark at a Touchdown Club banquet. No, I'm not old enough to have ever seen him play. ;-)
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bobcatsquared
1/6/2020 10:54 AM
So, OCF is calling someone he disagrees with donuthole. Very mature and intelligent. Kinda reminds me of someone else calling others he disagrees with Pocahontas or Sleepy Joe or Low IQ or . . .
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1/6/2020 10:55 AM
bobcatsquared wrote:expand_more
So, OCF is calling someone he disagrees with donuthole. Very mature and intelligent. Kinda reminds me of someone else calling others he disagrees with Pocahontas or Sleepy Joe or Low IQ or . . .
You seem to lack a sense of humor.
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longtiimelurker
1/7/2020 7:36 AM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
I just take acceptation
Wait. You are a teacher that takes "acceptation"? Is that consistent with the quality of the Southeast district we are saying is on par with the rest of the state?
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BillyTheCat
1/7/2020 10:07 AM
longtiimelurker wrote:expand_more
I just take acceptation
Wait. You are a teacher that takes "acceptation"? Is that consistent with the quality of the Southeast district we are saying is on par with the rest of the state?
If I was a teacher I would take acceptation to this, however, this would not apply to me. Now, I am glad to see the grammer nazi's have come back to the board after a long absence.
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Buckeye to Bobcat
1/7/2020 12:01 PM
The draw when Unioto and John Glenn were down in the Convo was as tough as any other corner in the state. Trust me, there are years the SE Ohio draw can go toe-to-toe in the smaller schools level and if I recall John Glenn drilled SVSM in the state tournament that year as well.
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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
1/7/2020 12:07 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
I just take acceptation
Wait. You are a teacher that takes "acceptation"? Is that consistent with the quality of the Southeast district we are saying is on par with the rest of the state?
If I was a teacher I would take acceptation to this, however, this would not apply to me. Now, I am glad to see the grammer nazi's have come back to the board after a long absence.
Nazis.
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Donuts
1/7/2020 12:56 PM
Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:expand_more
The draw when Unioto and John Glenn were down in the Convo was as tough as any other corner in the state. Trust me, there are years the SE Ohio draw can go toe-to-toe in the smaller schools level and if I recall John Glenn drilled SVSM in the state tournament that year as well.
Congratulations to John Glenn High School from the East District on the state title, "smacking" SVSM by 4 points.

I believe Chillicothe is the last SE Ohio team to win a state title in 30 years in the top three divisions. Maybe a couple of titles in D4?
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1/7/2020 5:07 PM
OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
Also, not surprised you’re not interested in history. Your generation generally feels the world was created at your birth specifically for your enjoyment. There’s a name for that in philosophy. It’s called solipsism.
ok boomer
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1/7/2020 11:03 PM
JSF wrote:expand_more
Also, not surprised you’re not interested in history. Your generation generally feels the world was created at your birth specifically for your enjoyment. There’s a name for that in philosophy. It’s called solipsism.
ok boomer
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BillyTheCat
1/8/2020 12:37 AM
Donuts wrote:expand_more
The draw when Unioto and John Glenn were down in the Convo was as tough as any other corner in the state. Trust me, there are years the SE Ohio draw can go toe-to-toe in the smaller schools level and if I recall John Glenn drilled SVSM in the state tournament that year as well.
Congratulations to John Glenn High School from the East District on the state title, "smacking" SVSM by 4 points.

I believe Chillicothe is the last SE Ohio team to win a state title in 30 years in the top three divisions. Maybe a couple of titles in D4?
Seeing how the SE has 72 schools, 3 in DI and 18 in DII, wow, yep shame on them for not dominating those upper 3 divisions. 200 schools roughly in each division. In DI, SE has 3 schools, 18 in DII and 28 in DIII, everything is proportional. And since you have to win a title to be successful, what have you got to say about OHIO football and basketball. In last 30 years, OHIO has won 1 regular season title and has yet to win an NCAA title. Yeah, it’s a silly comparison, just like what you are trying to pain. And sadly, for about the 10th year in a row the High School basketball tournament will be the largest event in the Convo. And in the past 10 years has had the largest crowd.
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1/8/2020 11:00 AM
OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
Also, not surprised you’re not interested in history. Your generation generally feels the world was created at your birth specifically for your enjoyment. There’s a name for that in philosophy. It’s called solipsism.
ok boomer
Not a boomer, though I'm married to one. I, like our football coach, am a War Baby!
War? What war? Ah nevermind, I don't care.
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