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OU_Country
1/19/2019 9:15 AM
Ahhh,yes, the thread that just keeps on giving entertainment. I've got the popcorn started early today!
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Gman
1/19/2019 11:12 AM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
Here is Gman referring to Hitchens not being able to pass his SAT, interesting sidenot, GMan doesn’t even know how the SAT is scored, his statement is priceless for the conversation.

But again, GMan finds it ok to be critical of others, without the use of ANY facts by the way (zero documentation to support his claims about Hitchens), yet when a poster points out published statistics from the official Ohiobobcats.com he’s all offended.

https://www.bobcatattack.com/messageboard/topic.asp?FromP...
First off BillyBoy read the post I said.... I bet and I believe and another thing, did Hitchens play for Ohio ? nice try tho to try and twist this shit around, YOU said I bashed Ohio Bobcat players, I'm still waiting on ya PROOF, I take care of my own. Hitchens is NOT my own but nice try tho. MIC DROP !!!!!
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greencat
1/19/2019 11:26 AM
Bobcat1998 wrote:expand_more
I've been saying for awhile that TK is not a point guard. Now your statistics prove my "eye test" was right. IMHO, Preston has much more potential as a PG.
Have you watched Preston handle the ball? He gets caught in the air too much and when he gets the ball at the top of the key he picks his dribble up or he dribbles away from the 3-point line to set up the offense. None of OUr guys dribble with their heads up. That's what drives me crazy about a guy like Torey James sitting on the bench. Early on when he played he didn't do horribly. Murrell hasn't done horribly. Yet you stick with TK for 39 minutes and can't find 5 minutes for James and Murrell. And on the other side, why isn't McMurray playing more? Block gives us 1 assist, zero points and zero rebounds on occasion....not acceptable. Time to get the youth movement going. To me, the only guys who have played consistently and contributed SOMETHING every night are Carter, BVP, DT and Preston.
Is Murrell the one who was a bench player at a Community College and averaged 6ppg there? Minnesota-Mankato listed him as a team member at one time but had no stats on him, possibly never played there?

Is Torey James the one that had mostly D-2 offers? Catawba, Lenoir-Rhyne, Lincoln Memorial, etc. - ??
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Good cat Good cat
1/19/2019 5:00 PM
3-13 from the field against UT? Oh boy...was there a drop in turnovers at least??
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OU_Country
1/19/2019 7:20 PM
greencat wrote:expand_more
Is Murrell the one who was a bench player at a Community College and averaged 6ppg there? Minnesota-Mankato listed him as a team member at one time but had no stats on him, possibly never played there?

Is Torey James the one that had mostly D-2 offers? Catawba, Lenoir-Rhyne, Lincoln Memorial, etc. - ??
Not sure if you've watched, but Murrell is probably deserving of more minutes. At least in the offensive end, he's probably better than Cowart, and maybe at this point maybe Block.
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BillyTheCat
1/20/2019 1:09 AM
Gman wrote:expand_more
Here is Gman referring to Hitchens not being able to pass his SAT, interesting sidenot, GMan doesn’t even know how the SAT is scored, his statement is priceless for the conversation.

But again, GMan finds it ok to be critical of others, without the use of ANY facts by the way (zero documentation to support his claims about Hitchens), yet when a poster points out published statistics from the official Ohiobobcats.com he’s all offended.

https://www.bobcatattack.com/messageboard/topic.asp?FromP...
First off BillyBoy read the post I said.... I bet and I believe and another thing, did Hitchens play for Ohio ? nice try tho to try and twist this shit around, YOU said I bashed Ohio Bobcat players, I'm still waiting on ya PROOF, I take care of my own. Hitchens is NOT my own but nice try tho. MIC DROP !!!!!
No, I said you bash players, keep trying to defend your stupid rationale, your logic is a flawed as a TK shooting form.
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Gman
1/20/2019 11:33 AM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
Here is Gman referring to Hitchens not being able to pass his SAT, interesting sidenot, GMan doesn’t even know how the SAT is scored, his statement is priceless for the conversation.

But again, GMan finds it ok to be critical of others, without the use of ANY facts by the way (zero documentation to support his claims about Hitchens), yet when a poster points out published statistics from the official Ohiobobcats.com he’s all offended.

https://www.bobcatattack.com/messageboard/topic.asp?FromP...
First off BillyBoy read the post I said.... I bet and I believe and another thing, did Hitchens play for Ohio ? nice try tho to try and twist this shit around, YOU said I bashed Ohio Bobcat players, I'm still waiting on ya PROOF, I take care of my own. Hitchens is NOT my own but nice try tho. MIC DROP !!!!!
No, I said you bash players, keep trying to defend your stupid rationale, your logic is a flawed as a TK shooting form.
Nice try BillyBoy, ,NO... YOU said I BASHED Bobcat players in the past, I'm still waiting on the PROOF while your still back peddling. MIC DROP !!
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Gman
1/20/2019 11:39 AM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
Moral of this story, there are literally dozens of examples of Gman and his old user name bashing, trashing or disparaging Bobcat players, high school recruits, etc., but that's ok, because he's allowed, just do not be critical of anyone he actually likes.
I'm waiting BillyBoy !!!
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Gman
1/20/2019 11:43 AM
Gman wrote:expand_more
Moral of this story, there are literally dozens of examples of Gman and his old user name bashing, trashing or disparaging Bobcat players, high school recruits, etc., but that's ok, because he's allowed, just do not be critical of anyone he actually likes.
I'm waiting BillyBoy !!!
Oh BillyBoy where are you ? I'm still waiting on the PROOF along with these other BobcatAttackers.

Let me help ya out BillyBoy, My old user name was BobcatGman ya see I'm not worried to give that up... you know why ? because you will find NOTHING !!!
Last Edited: 1/20/2019 11:46:39 AM by Gman
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Gman
1/20/2019 12:18 PM
While BillyBoy is trying to paint me the Bobcat Villain, I'm gonna end this non-sense and share a little story with you all.

Over the years I have been like a guide to our Ohio Basketball & Football players, They are stuck here during summer for workouts, in their free time or days off, not much to do around campus, I hook them up with place's to go fishing, some come to my shooting range with their own guns, clay pigeons to shoot, which I could tell a funny story about DJ Cooper & Walt Offutt. Some players are even hunters and hunted on their days off. I have made many many friend with our Ohio Bobcat student athletes over the years and if I'm a basher then why do they keep coming back ? Because BillyBoy is making all this shit up about me bashing Ohio Bobcat players, Have a great day BillyBoy !!! MIC DROP !!!
Last Edited: 1/20/2019 1:50:21 PM by Gman
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GraffZ06
1/20/2019 2:50 PM
Can we banish this garbage to Siberia already so we can get on with discussing the futility of Ohio Bobcats basketball?
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greencat
1/20/2019 3:04 PM
OU_Country wrote:expand_more
Is Murrell the one who was a bench player at a Community College and averaged 6ppg there? Minnesota-Mankato listed him as a team member at one time but had no stats on him, possibly never played there?

Is Torey James the one that had mostly D-2 offers? Catawba, Lenoir-Rhyne, Lincoln Memorial, etc. - ??
Not sure if you've watched, but Murrell is probably deserving of more minutes. At least in the offensive end, he's probably better than Cowart, and maybe at this point maybe Block.
Yes, I watched some of that game on CBS-sn the other day. I also knew when he hit that ONE 3 pointer, somebody on here would compare him to Larry Bird or Dirk Nowitzki. And while he did impressively shoot that one from just the Toledo side of Cedar Point, he was 1-4 in that game from three and puts him now at 3-15 on the year from three. {20%}

Could be worse. McMurray is 1 of 9 and James is 1 for 11.
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shabamon
1/20/2019 3:35 PM
Gman wrote:expand_more
While BillyBoy is trying to paint me the Bobcat Villain, I'm gonna end this non-sense and share a little story with you all.

Over the years I have been like a guide to our Ohio Basketball & Football players, They are stuck here during summer for workouts, in their free time or days off, not much to do around campus, I hook them up with place's to go fishing, some come to my shooting range with their own guns, clay pigeons to shoot, which I could tell a funny story about DJ Cooper & Walt Offutt. Some players are even hunters and hunted on their days off. I have made many many friend with our Ohio Bobcat student athletes over the years and if I'm a basher then why do they keep coming back ? Because BillyBoy is making all this shit up about me bashing Ohio Bobcat players, Have a great day BillyBoy !!! MIC DROP !!!
That's all well and good, but how is that relevant to the conversation?
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BillyTheCat
1/20/2019 6:59 PM
shabamon wrote:expand_more
While BillyBoy is trying to paint me the Bobcat Villain, I'm gonna end this non-sense and share a little story with you all.

Over the years I have been like a guide to our Ohio Basketball & Football players, They are stuck here during summer for workouts, in their free time or days off, not much to do around campus, I hook them up with place's to go fishing, some come to my shooting range with their own guns, clay pigeons to shoot, which I could tell a funny story about DJ Cooper & Walt Offutt. Some players are even hunters and hunted on their days off. I have made many many friend with our Ohio Bobcat student athletes over the years and if I'm a basher then why do they keep coming back ? Because BillyBoy is making all this shit up about me bashing Ohio Bobcat players, Have a great day BillyBoy !!! MIC DROP !!!
That's all well and good, but how is that relevant to the conversation?
Exactly! Next, he will tell us how he’s saved $20 on his car insurance by calling Geico.
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Buckeye to Bobcat
1/20/2019 7:23 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
While BillyBoy is trying to paint me the Bobcat Villain, I'm gonna end this non-sense and share a little story with you all.

Over the years I have been like a guide to our Ohio Basketball & Football players, They are stuck here during summer for workouts, in their free time or days off, not much to do around campus, I hook them up with place's to go fishing, some come to my shooting range with their own guns, clay pigeons to shoot, which I could tell a funny story about DJ Cooper & Walt Offutt. Some players are even hunters and hunted on their days off. I have made many many friend with our Ohio Bobcat student athletes over the years and if I'm a basher then why do they keep coming back ? Because BillyBoy is making all this shit up about me bashing Ohio Bobcat players, Have a great day BillyBoy !!! MIC DROP !!!
That's all well and good, but how is that relevant to the conversation?
Exactly! Next, he will tell us how he’s saved $20 on his car insurance by calling Geico.
I use Flo from Progressive
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Gman
1/20/2019 7:30 PM
shabamon wrote:expand_more
While BillyBoy is trying to paint me the Bobcat Villain, I'm gonna end this non-sense and share a little story with you all.

Over the years I have been like a guide to our Ohio Basketball & Football players, They are stuck here during summer for workouts, in their free time or days off, not much to do around campus, I hook them up with place's to go fishing, some come to my shooting range with their own guns, clay pigeons to shoot, which I could tell a funny story about DJ Cooper & Walt Offutt. Some players are even hunters and hunted on their days off. I have made many many friend with our Ohio Bobcat student athletes over the years and if I'm a basher then why do they keep coming back ? Because BillyBoy is making all this shit up about me bashing Ohio Bobcat players, Have a great day BillyBoy !!! MIC DROP !!!
That's all well and good, but how is that relevant to the conversation?
Just defending myself there ShabbyBoy. someone gonna post lies I'm gonna defend myself.
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Gman
1/20/2019 7:39 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
While BillyBoy is trying to paint me the Bobcat Villain, I'm gonna end this non-sense and share a little story with you all.

Over the years I have been like a guide to our Ohio Basketball & Football players, They are stuck here during summer for workouts, in their free time or days off, not much to do around campus, I hook them up with place's to go fishing, some come to my shooting range with their own guns, clay pigeons to shoot, which I could tell a funny story about DJ Cooper & Walt Offutt. Some players are even hunters and hunted on their days off. I have made many many friend with our Ohio Bobcat student athletes over the years and if I'm a basher then why do they keep coming back ? Because BillyBoy is making all this shit up about me bashing Ohio Bobcat players, Have a great day BillyBoy !!! MIC DROP !!!
That's all well and good, but how is that relevant to the conversation?
Exactly! Next, he will tell us how he’s saved $20 on his car insurance by calling Geico.

BillyBoy you we're the one that opened the can of worms, by saying I bashed Bobcat players numerous times on this message board, I just want this board to know what a LIAR you are. you shouldn't write checks ya ass can't cash BillyBoy !!! MIC DROP !!!


Now you all have a great time talking about TK and go Bobcats !!!!
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longtiimelurker
1/20/2019 8:31 PM
Missing something here Gman, doesn't MIC DROP mean you walk away with nothing left to say? Quit dropping the mic because you have always had tons to say.
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GraffZ06
1/20/2019 8:56 PM
I hear a lot of

blah blah blah - I'm a better fan than you
blah blah blah - My job is better than your job
blah blah blah - I support the University better than you
blah blah blah - The players KNOW ME!!

Which all boils down to

blah blah blah - I'm a better person than you

Cool cool cool...good stuff. Good basketball discussion. Lots of rational arguments. Lots of honest debate. Cool cool cool.
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Gman
1/20/2019 8:57 PM
longtiimelurker wrote:expand_more
Missing something here Gman, doesn't MIC DROP mean you walk away with nothing left to say? Quit dropping the mic because you have always had tons to say.

This subject is closed longtimelurker and yes you know me well
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GoCats105
1/20/2019 10:58 PM
greencat wrote:expand_more
I've been saying for awhile that TK is not a point guard. Now your statistics prove my "eye test" was right. IMHO, Preston has much more potential as a PG.
Have you watched Preston handle the ball? He gets caught in the air too much and when he gets the ball at the top of the key he picks his dribble up or he dribbles away from the 3-point line to set up the offense. None of OUr guys dribble with their heads up. That's what drives me crazy about a guy like Torey James sitting on the bench. Early on when he played he didn't do horribly. Murrell hasn't done horribly. Yet you stick with TK for 39 minutes and can't find 5 minutes for James and Murrell. And on the other side, why isn't McMurray playing more? Block gives us 1 assist, zero points and zero rebounds on occasion....not acceptable. Time to get the youth movement going. To me, the only guys who have played consistently and contributed SOMETHING every night are Carter, BVP, DT and Preston.
Is Murrell the one who was a bench player at a Community College and averaged 6ppg there? Minnesota-Mankato listed him as a team member at one time but had no stats on him, possibly never played there?

Is Torey James the one that had mostly D-2 offers? Catawba, Lenoir-Rhyne, Lincoln Memorial, etc. - ??
Murrell redshirted at Minnesota St Mankato and grew from 6'0" to 6'5" at some point after high school. Played PG/SG in high school and had to adjust to new positions and body. If I were a betting man, I think that was probably his rationale for moving over to IHCC. He did get quite good minutes over there and then, in classic Saul recruit fashion, got injured.
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OU_Country
1/21/2019 1:29 PM
greencat wrote:expand_more
Is Murrell the one who was a bench player at a Community College and averaged 6ppg there? Minnesota-Mankato listed him as a team member at one time but had no stats on him, possibly never played there?

Is Torey James the one that had mostly D-2 offers? Catawba, Lenoir-Rhyne, Lincoln Memorial, etc. - ??
Not sure if you've watched, but Murrell is probably deserving of more minutes. At least in the offensive end, he's probably better than Cowart, and maybe at this point maybe Block.
Yes, I watched some of that game on CBS-sn the other day. I also knew when he hit that ONE 3 pointer, somebody on here would compare him to Larry Bird or Dirk Nowitzki. And while he did impressively shoot that one from just the Toledo side of Cedar Point, he was 1-4 in that game from three and puts him now at 3-15 on the year from three. {20%}

Could be worse. McMurray is 1 of 9 and James is 1 for 11.
In no way, shape, or form am I comparing him to Larry Legend or anyone remotely that good. I'm just saying when he was on the floor, he made some shots and attacked the rim better than Cowart did in that game. I'm just saying that he probably deserves a few more minutes, and is probably a better offensive player than a few others on this team. Given that scoring is currently the largest problem, maybe he deserves more PT?
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Andrew Ruck
2/11/2019 9:50 AM
Well several weeks have past and it is hard to imagine but things have actually got even worse.

Wilberforce - 2 A, 4 TO
Campbell - 5 A, 2 TO
S Florida - 0 A, 8 TO
Loyola M - 3 A, 6 TO
Austin P - 4 A, 4 TO
Iona - 5 A, 3 TO
Marshall - 5 A, 7 TO
Xavier - 4 A, 6 TO
Radford - 3 A, 7 TO
Detroit - 3 A, 8 TO
Purdue - 0 A, 3 TO
FIU - 2 A, 6 TO
NIU - 0 A, 7 TO
BG - 2 A, 2 TO
Ball St - 0 A, 6 TO
Kent St - 2 A, 4 TO
Toledo - 1 A, 2 TO
WMU - 2 A, 3 TO
Ball St - 1 A, 3 TO
NIU - 2 A, 4 TO
Akron - 3 A, 5 TO
Miami - 2 A, 6 TO

TOTAL - 51 A, 106 TO, 0.48 A/TO
MAC TOTALS - 15 A, 42 TO, 0.33 A/TO
Games w/ more assists than TO - 2 (still)

15 total assists in 10 conference games from our healthy FT starting Point Guard.

There are 2 players ahead of TK in turnovers, they also lead the country in assists, Ja Morant of Murray St (233) and Josh Sharkey of Samford (201). While ranking #3 in the country in turnovers, I can't tell you where TK ranks in assists because no lists exist that long.

I still maintain that if someone was able to dig into the data, TK is on his way to the worst A/TO ratio in the history of the NCAA for a guard with a minimum of about 800 minutes. It doesn't seem possible to amass those numbers and still get the minutes. To that point, this achievement is sort of a dual achievement between TK and Saul.
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FearLeon
2/11/2019 10:28 AM
Andrew Ruck wrote:expand_more
Well several weeks have past and it is hard to imagine but things have actually got even worse.

Wilberforce - 2 A, 4 TO
Campbell - 5 A, 2 TO
S Florida - 0 A, 8 TO
Loyola M - 3 A, 6 TO
Austin P - 4 A, 4 TO
Iona - 5 A, 3 TO
Marshall - 5 A, 7 TO
Xavier - 4 A, 6 TO
Radford - 3 A, 7 TO
Detroit - 3 A, 8 TO
Purdue - 0 A, 3 TO
FIU - 2 A, 6 TO
NIU - 0 A, 7 TO
BG - 2 A, 2 TO
Ball St - 0 A, 6 TO
Kent St - 2 A, 4 TO
Toledo - 1 A, 2 TO
WMU - 2 A, 3 TO
Ball St - 1 A, 3 TO
NIU - 2 A, 4 TO
Akron - 3 A, 5 TO
Miami - 2 A, 6 TO

TOTAL - 51 A, 106 TO, 0.48 A/TO
MAC TOTALS - 15 A, 42 TO, 0.33 A/TO
Games w/ more assists than TO - 2 (still)

15 total assists in 10 conference games from our healthy FT starting Point Guard.

There are 2 players ahead of TK in turnovers, they also lead the country in assists, Ja Morant of Murray St (233) and Josh Sharkey of Samford (201). While ranking #3 in the country in turnovers, I can't tell you where TK ranks in assists because no lists exist that long.

I still maintain that if someone was able to dig into the data, TK is on his way to the worst A/TO ratio in the history of the NCAA for a guard with a minimum of about 800 minutes. It doesn't seem possible to amass those numbers and still get the minutes. To that point, this achievement is sort of a dual achievement between TK and Saul.
With coaching change looming, it will not surprise me if he takes off after this year. Hard to believe the numbers are trending even worse.
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Deciduous Forest Cat
2/11/2019 2:58 PM
TK was aggressive Saturday and actually played one of his best games in a while. He was about the only one putting ball in basket. Again, if we shoot 25% as a team, how many assists can you really rack up? I'm not justifying such an upside-down ratio, but to blame TK for all of these issues is really missing the big picture. Basketball is still a team game.
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