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RSBobcat
2/26/2022 12:06 AM
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I don’t think any of those three guys would’ve helped against Freeman and Ally
Ezuma is a truck with bad brakes, tires, and steering wheel vs ----- anyone.....
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OhioCatFan
2/26/2022 12:14 AM
Jeff McKinney wrote:expand_more
Those talking about how Ohio doesn't have the "athletes" to compete with Kent State and Akron: are you forgetting Ohio beat those two teams earlier in the season, and beat Buffalo 74-53 at Buffalo?
This is a good point, though we do not seem to be the same team I’m terms of overall intensity that we were then. The only time we showed much intensity was in the last seven minutes when we were hopelessly behind. Also, BRod is not in total collapse — only his three point shot. I’ve watched him closely and he is still giving his all in other aspects of the game. His defense is generally sound. He rebounds well. He is one of our better foul shooters. He’s making contested layups at a much higher percentage than earlier in the season.
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SBH
2/26/2022 12:25 AM
BRod was 0-3 from the line on Tuesday. Tonight he literally couldn't hit the rim. Total collapse and his minutes need to go to someone else.
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Cellis033
2/26/2022 12:34 AM
Like I said for Kent, brush off and move on. Now, tonight was brutal but shows it is time to change our strategy. I liked our comeback at the end, and we went down swinging in the end. Akron seemed to be a bit lucky they didn't have more time left in the second.
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OhioCatFan
2/26/2022 12:51 AM
Cellis033 wrote:expand_more
Like I said for Kent, brush off and move on. Now, tonight was brutal but shows it is time to change our strategy. I liked our comeback at the end, and we went down swinging in the end. Akron seemed to be a bit lucky they didn't have more time left in the second.
+1 I like your take. While I’m worried about Cleveland, I’m not distraught. Your youthful optimism gives hope to my soul!
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Cellis033
2/26/2022 1:02 AM
OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
Like I said for Kent, brush off and move on. Now, tonight was brutal but shows it is time to change our strategy. I liked our comeback at the end, and we went down swinging in the end. Akron seemed to be a bit lucky they didn't have more time left in the second.
+1 I like your take. While I’m worried about Cleveland, I’m not distraught. Your youthful optimism gives hope to my soul!
I'm trying to only look ahead to Bowling Green and Northern now. We can only control so much, and thus it will likely lead to a lot of others doubting us in the tourney given our record against better teams. But, I have feeling it's going to work out for us. With the addition of AJ, EJIV, Aiden and Ajay AND the return of DW3 next year we can have a more loaded bench than ever. I felt like we didn't let some of our bench guys play much tonight.
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Jeff McKinney
2/26/2022 1:23 AM
OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
Those talking about how Ohio doesn't have the "athletes" to compete with Kent State and Akron: are you forgetting Ohio beat those two teams earlier in the season, and beat Buffalo 74-53 at Buffalo?
This is a good point, though we do not seem to be the same team I’m terms of overall intensity that we were then. The only time we showed much intensity was in the last seven minutes when we were hopelessly behind. Also, BRod is not in total collapse — only his three point shot. I’ve watched him closely and he is still giving his all in other aspects of the game. His defense is generally sound. He rebounds well. He is one of our better foul shooters. He’s making contested layups at a much higher percentage than earlier in the season.
I agree with you on the intensity observation, but I was referring to athleticism, as several are blaming our recent struggles on lack of athleticism. My point is Ohio was able to overcome that supposed athleticism disadvantage earlier in the season, so I don't think that's what's leading to the losses to good teams recently.
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potstirred
2/26/2022 10:19 AM
Jeff McKinney wrote:expand_more
Those talking about how Ohio doesn't have the "athletes" to compete with Kent State and Akron: are you forgetting Ohio beat those two teams earlier in the season, and beat Buffalo 74-53 at Buffalo?
+1 We split with Kent and Akron ,blow out Buffalo but we don't have athletes.Schumate hurts us and I doubt he is the most athletic for Toledo.Larry Bird tells the story of an Indiana State teammate whose claim to fame was he could kick the backboard ( Don't try this at home OCF) Athletic yes Bball no . We had a 6'1" kid who high jumped 7' athletic yes bball no couldn't get off the bench.

When we make shots we are athletic as all get out!
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Red cedar
2/26/2022 10:35 AM
I agree with many of the posts about the things we did not do well. It is worth noting that Akron
played really well. Many of the shots they made in the first half were very difficult shots. They will be hard to beat if they play like that every night in the tournament.
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OhioCatFan
2/26/2022 10:42 AM
Jeff McKinney wrote:expand_more
Those talking about how Ohio doesn't have the "athletes" to compete with Kent State and Akron: are you forgetting Ohio beat those two teams earlier in the season, and beat Buffalo 74-53 at Buffalo?
This is a good point, though we do not seem to be the same team I’m terms of overall intensity that we were then. The only time we showed much intensity was in the last seven minutes when we were hopelessly behind. Also, BRod is not in total collapse — only his three point shot. I’ve watched him closely and he is still giving his all in other aspects of the game. His defense is generally sound. He rebounds well. He is one of our better foul shooters. He’s making contested layups at a much higher percentage than earlier in the season.
I agree with you on the intensity observation, but I was referring to athleticism, as several are blaming our recent struggles on lack of athleticism. My point is Ohio was able to overcome that supposed athleticism disadvantage earlier in the season, so I don't think that's what's leading to the losses to good teams recently.

Yes, I was agreeing with your statement on athleticism not being the reason for your recent decline and offering intensity (especially on defense) as an alternate explanation.
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bobcatsquared
2/26/2022 1:12 PM
OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
Those talking about how Ohio doesn't have the "athletes" to compete with Kent State and Akron: are you forgetting Ohio beat those two teams earlier in the season, and beat Buffalo 74-53 at Buffalo?
This is a good point, though we do not seem to be the same team I’m terms of overall intensity that we were then. The only time we showed much intensity was in the last seven minutes when we were hopelessly behind. Also, BRod is not in total collapse — only his three point shot. I’ve watched him closely and he is still giving his all in other aspects of the game. His defense is generally sound. He rebounds well. He is one of our better foul shooters. He’s making contested layups at a much higher percentage than earlier in the season.
No, no and no. BRod sat the final 15 min. last night because he's providing little toward our team's chances of winning. One of better foul shooters? At 64%? Mismatch defensively in most matchups. Does play hard, but contributing little. And yes, I've "watched him closely" too.

cc-cat came up from Charlotte for his first game in the Convo in years, joining me, SBH and others from the early 1980s Crazy Cats, the predecessor to the OZone. cc-cat was wondering if Ohio has tired legs. I told him that it's an issue of athletes going up against non-athletes, which are relative terms. You put our players on the court at Ping and they're the most athletics players on the floor. You put them on the court v. an NBA team and they're the least athletic. I believe our players, compared with the better teams in the league, are less athletic. And it showed last night.

A couple of nights in Cleveland will determine what prevails. A team with quality basketball players good enough to beat UB and split with Akron and Kent? Or the teams with superior athletes that have exposed OUr team the last couple of Fridays?
Last Edited: 2/26/2022 1:14:53 PM by bobcatsquared
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Casper71
2/26/2022 1:42 PM
I have always said we need athletes that can run jump and shot NOT just athletes. Compared to the good teams in our league, our bigs just don’t have all those qualities. This is not to say they aren’t good basketball players. They are just not good athletic basketball players.
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Alan Swank
2/26/2022 1:44 PM
bobcatsquared wrote:expand_more
Those talking about how Ohio doesn't have the "athletes" to compete with Kent State and Akron: are you forgetting Ohio beat those two teams earlier in the season, and beat Buffalo 74-53 at Buffalo?
This is a good point, though we do not seem to be the same team I’m terms of overall intensity that we were then. The only time we showed much intensity was in the last seven minutes when we were hopelessly behind. Also, BRod is not in total collapse — only his three point shot. I’ve watched him closely and he is still giving his all in other aspects of the game. His defense is generally sound. He rebounds well. He is one of our better foul shooters. He’s making contested layups at a much higher percentage than earlier in the season.
No, no and no. BRod sat the final 15 min. last night because he's providing little toward our team's chances of winning. One of better foul shooters? At 64%? Mismatch defensively in most matchups. Does play hard, but contributing little. And yes, I've "watched him closely" too.

cc-cat came up from Charlotte for his first game in the Convo in years, joining me, SBH and others from the early 1980s Crazy Cats, the predecessor to the OZone. cc-cat was wondering if Ohio has tired legs. I told him that it's an issue of athletes going up against non-athletes, which are relative terms. You put our players on the court at Ping and they're the most athletics players on the floor. You put them on the court v. an NBA team and they're the least athletic. I believe our players, compared with the better teams in the league, are less athletic. And it showed last night.

A couple of nights in Cleveland will determine what prevails. A team with quality basketball players good enough to beat UB and split with Akron and Kent? Or the teams with superior athletes that have exposed OUr team the last couple of Fridays?
This discussion on athleticism is rather interesting and seems to break along the style of game the poster grew up with - the urban game v the small town/rural game, ie, southeast Ohio basketball.
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100%Cat
2/28/2022 9:38 AM
After digesting this one for a few days, I'm not surprised Akron came here and won. I walked in on Friday knowing this was a good team, motivated to get back on us for winning in the JAR. I did not think Akron was good enough offensively to blow us out. And they pretty much did. Hats off to those guys, they made a lot of tough shots. Ali was pretty much unguardable in the first half. I didn't think it was bad defense on him, it was great shot making. The most disappointing defensive point, to me, was Tribble getting 17. The guy cannot shoot. His entire offensive game relies on getting to the rim, and he did all night. Way too easy. This has been a really strange year with no close losses. No games when we were "right there" at the end and just didn't pull out. When we lose, we LOSE.

At this point, I have no idea what to expect in Cleveland. We could put it together and win the whole thing, or we could be one and done. I would not be shocked at either right now. It feels like the book is out on how to beat us and the top teams in the MAC (Toledo, Kent, Akron, Buffalo) all have the personnel to do it. On the flip side, outside of Toledo, we have also beaten all of those teams.
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Catsfan32
2/28/2022 1:41 PM
We all know March is about peaking at the right time. To do that you have to make adjustments that put us in the best position to win the game. We have also seen Gross get teams in March to adjust and peak, so this game is one of those that shouldn't shock us.

Having said that, we also have seen that Boals is able to able to get teams to peak in March. I have no doubt there will be adjustments in those games against the other top 4 teams. The question will be can we execute those adjustments into game speeds?

Seeing what happen to 7 of the 10 teams in the nation this past week, gives me hope that on any given night a team can have an off night and get beat OR can have a great night and win. And that is why I love March Madness.

We will be ready when that calendar rolls over tonight at midnight for the MARCH to Cleveland. I look for us to have a good week, get some confidence with a couple of wins and peak in Cleveland!
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Andrew Ruck
2/28/2022 2:56 PM
I am behind Jeff Boals and believe in him, but that doesn't mean I can't say he had a bad game and I would say he had a bad game. The offense is completely out of sorts. It just lacks design and has not adjusted to the way teams have adjusted in defending Sears especially. We scored 17 points in the final minute (wow that is pretty amazing) and 23 in the last 2 minutes so don't be fooled by what looks like a nice night offensively. We are having a hard time finding clean shots right now.

After giving up 91 you would think I'd complain about defense, but I give a ton of credit to Akron just as I did to Toledo when they were in the Convo. They were lethal especially at mid-range, the very thing we lack on offense. 63% from the field. Damn. Sidebar, I still respect coach Groce and his accomplishments here but I really hated seeing him all happy cruising to victory. Made my stomach turn.

Another great crowd there to see a stinker on senior day. Just a bummer but that's the nature of the game.
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cc-cat
2/28/2022 5:40 PM
Digesting this one. Was really looking forward to the game and was, like everyone else, hugely disappointed. In no particular order:

Really disappointed in the overall effort Friday night (as I'm sure the team is as well). No intensity, We got punched in the nose and never responded. Sorry folks, that's on the coaching. That's on Boals. Don't let the final few minutes blur the vision. We were dominated.

Team is going the wrong direction. Toledo, Kent and Buffalo are all getting better. Akron is better than us. Unless we get this thing turned around in a hurry, loss in semis (at best) is our destiny. Interesting what is now being debated on this board "we won't get an NIT bid". Boy have we fallen in the last few weeks. Sears has gone from player of the year candidate to fighting for 2nd team all-conference - can't navigate the double team (though that's not all on him - double team means a teammate is open - they need to help out - so he\'s not left trying to dribble through it). BVP and Carter look tired, BRod is not in a slump - he is what he is (The fact BRod is still starting is a reflecting of our lack of depth. He's losing minutes and should be). Brown and bench players are delivering on their roles, but consistency is always an issue.

Ron Rivera used to say when asked about the Panthers record - "we are what we are." we are a good team, probably not a very good team and certainly not a great one. We have won the games we were suppose to in a watered down MAC (unlike Frank ad football), and have lost games to better teams (Toledo, and Kent who are the hottest team in league). Do need to keep in mind we are doing this without Wilson, McDay and what we thought we had in Roderick) - tough when 3 of the top 6 you were expecting are not able to deliver.

Athleticism - people sound offended when its declared we are not as athletic as other top teams in the MAC - just watch the film of the Akron game, They were faster, quicker, stronger. It is the composition of our team. If we shoot the 3 well, we can make up for it... to a degree, but its catching up with us. Thought maybe the season is just catching up with us, Lot of minutes for a few guys - gets draining.

I don't see BVP coming back - time to spread his wings. If Wilson returns I could see up to 3 other new starters next year: Portal, freshmen, McDay, ??? I trust the trajectory of the program. Boals is on top of it - every year brings new bodies and competition. We need to take a next step - need to get better, need to be more athletic, need a bit more anger and intensity, confident we will continue to grow.

As we approach Cleveland it is what we always know it is. Regular season means little. All about who gets hot in March. Toledo, Kent, Buffalo, and even Akron are playing better than we are. Coaching needs to make adjustments - since the better teams have figured us out and we will need to shoot lights out that whole week. On to Cleveland.

C'mon Green!!!
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Jeff McKinney
2/28/2022 11:57 PM
Not offended by statements that other MAC teams are more athletic than Ohio. Just making the point that there's other factors involved besides athleticism. Some of you guys seem to think that athleticism is the overriding factor. As I said before, if it's only about athleticism, how was Ohio able to beat the more athletic teams like Buffalo, Kent and Akron earlier in the season?
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cc-cat
3/1/2022 12:24 PM
Jeff McKinney wrote:expand_more
As I said before, if it's only about athleticism, how was Ohio able to beat the more athletic teams like Buffalo, Kent and Akron earlier in the season?
In the case of Buffalo and Kent we caught them early. Buffalo has won 9 straight since we beat them. Kent is 12-2 since we beat them. Also helped that al three teams shot well below their season average when we beat them. Can argue why -- defense or just bad shooting. But in case of Buff and Kent - they are completely different and better than when we beat them.
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OhioCatFan
3/1/2022 12:35 PM
cc-cat wrote:expand_more
As I said before, if it's only about athleticism, how was Ohio able to beat the more athletic teams like Buffalo, Kent and Akron earlier in the season?
In the case of Buffalo and Kent we caught them early. Buffalo has won 9 straight since we beat them. Kent is 12-2 since we beat them. Also helped that al three teams shot well below their season average when we beat them. Can argue why -- defense or just bad shooting. But in case of Buff and Kent - they are completely different and better than when we beat them.
I think that this is a good point. They got better and we either stagnated or actually regressed a little. The trend line is not good for OHIO. I haven't, though, given up hope that Jeff can turn it around with some sound coaching decisions and, perhaps, an adjustment in starting lineups and relative playing times of some players.
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FearLeon
3/10/2022 3:34 PM
cc-cat wrote:expand_more
He had a special team. He is no longer a special coach. Since leaving Athens his late February/March record is average at best.
John Groce says....hold my beer please.

March 10, 2022

MAC Quarterfinals

Akron 70
Buffalo 68

*Groce is still dangerous in March.

*Freeman and Ali Ali are players. Freeman is the new Devin Davis of the MAC.

*Still can't believe how badly Buffalo effed up with the hiring of Whitesell. What a waste of two years with Williams, Segu and Mballa. Buffalo will have 750 people going to games next year with those three gone.
Last Edited: 3/10/2022 3:36:33 PM by FearLeon
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SBH
3/10/2022 5:26 PM
Freeman is better than Devin Davis...and much better than Zeke Marshall.

Oh, and it was Bobcatsquared who repeatedly said, "You heard it here first: Buffalo will win the MAC Tournament."
Last Edited: 3/10/2022 5:28:17 PM by SBH
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bobcatsquared
3/10/2022 5:53 PM
If you're going to quote me, get it right. My prediction was UB was going to make the title game. In fact, I'm the one idiot in the poll to pick UB to make it to Saturday night.
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FearLeon
3/11/2022 7:14 PM
FearLeon wrote:expand_more
He had a special team. He is no longer a special coach. Since leaving Athens his late February/March record is average at best.
John Groce says....hold my beer please.

March 10, 2022

MAC Quarterfinals

Akron 70
Buffalo 68

*Groce is still dangerous in March.

*Freeman and Ali Ali are players. Freeman is the new Devin Davis of the MAC.

*Still can't believe how badly Buffalo effed up with the hiring of Whitesell. What a waste of two years with Williams, Segu and Mballa. Buffalo will have 750 people going to games next year with those three gone.
John Groce says....hold my beer please.

March 11, 2022

MAC Semifinals

Akron 70
Toledo 62

*Groce is still dangerous in March.

*Freeman and Ali Ali are players. Freeman is the new Devin Davis of the MAC.

*Toledo quit in the final 30 seconds. If they didn't win the MAC last year or this year, then when?
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cc-cat
3/11/2022 7:38 PM
Here's hoping that tomorrow he reverts back to the past 8 years regardless of who they play.
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