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Maddog13
4/1/2022 3:22 AM
It's the new reality in college sports, folks. Oh, yeah, and then there is Saint Peter's. I suspect that some players will move up and some will move down within the portal. Round and round it goes, where ever it stops, nobody knows. At the end of the day, head coaches have their work cut out for them. It's kind of like picking teams in the school yard, but on a yearly basis.
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colobobcat66
4/1/2022 7:09 AM
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:expand_more
And OSU leads the nation in NIL's for this year. The amazing thing is nationwide how little the basketball player is getting. And to some's point on this topic, there is a misunderstanding that is probably coming from bad advice, but there is not money that is going to change anyone's life or college experience coming down the pipe for 99% of these athletes.
I’m guessing nobody has any idea how much money is being paid to athletes outside of the “legal” NIL deals. When it was “illegal” there were later reported 6 figure deals being made. You don’t think there are still lots of under the table deals being made?
What's the point of an under the table deal when you can do it out in the open?

People seem to think the black market wasn't caused by the lack of a market. The sketchiness and illegal activities were a direct result of a huge industry being so aggressively over-regulated that key value creators were left out altogether. It's legal now. I own a business. If I want to pay Sears to stay, nothing stops me from doing it. Why would I do it under the table?
Because as others have said in this thread, there are some limitations (admittedly not many) on NIL payments. Why bother with those if you can pay under the table?
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The Optimist
4/1/2022 7:25 AM
Maddog13 wrote:expand_more
It's the new reality in college sports, folks. Oh, yeah, and then there is Saint Peter's. I suspect that some players will move up and some will move down within the portal. Round and round it goes, where ever it stops, nobody knows. At the end of the day, head coaches have their work cut out for them. It's kind of like picking teams in the school yard, but on a yearly basis.
While many (most) young players are looking for a quick buck, I suspect the elite few are looking for stability. The blue-blood programs have stable coaches. A mid-major that finds a stable coach would have a unique draw (and would soon not be a mid-major...)

Ohio has a unique draw. We need to build out support.
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100%Cat
4/1/2022 8:10 AM
I don't fault Mark for making a move if he thinks it's for the betterment of his career/life. Whenever this sort of thing happens, I try to imagine if I were in that situation. Honestly, I'd probably leave, too, if there was a better opportunity for me. I think most people would. If Mark can be closer to home, play at a higher level, and have that benefit him financially down the road...good for him on making the move. It's disappointing, as a fan, that he is likely leaving, but he owes "us" nothing.

I hope he does well, wherever he ends up.
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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
4/1/2022 8:55 AM
colobobcat66 wrote:expand_more
And OSU leads the nation in NIL's for this year. The amazing thing is nationwide how little the basketball player is getting. And to some's point on this topic, there is a misunderstanding that is probably coming from bad advice, but there is not money that is going to change anyone's life or college experience coming down the pipe for 99% of these athletes.
I’m guessing nobody has any idea how much money is being paid to athletes outside of the “legal” NIL deals. When it was “illegal” there were later reported 6 figure deals being made. You don’t think there are still lots of under the table deals being made?
What's the point of an under the table deal when you can do it out in the open?

People seem to think the black market wasn't caused by the lack of a market. The sketchiness and illegal activities were a direct result of a huge industry being so aggressively over-regulated that key value creators were left out altogether. It's legal now. I own a business. If I want to pay Sears to stay, nothing stops me from doing it. Why would I do it under the table?
Because as others have said in this thread, there are some limitations (admittedly not many) on NIL payments. Why bother with those if you can pay under the table?
Because paying under the table has landed multiple people in jail?

You yourself acknowledge there aren't many restrictions on NIL payments. So what is it about the restrictions there are that make committing a crime worth it?

I think that people are failing to contextualize why there was corruption and elicit payments under the old system and are making a false assumption that that activity was somehow inherent to college athletics. It wasn't. It was inherent to a hugely over-regulated market. It's a basic truism that when a legal market doesn't exist, but there's demand for something, an illegal market will pop up.
We now have a legal market.

Everybody crows about the "unintended consequences" of the NIL. But it's always people who ignore the unintended consequences of the prior system: bribery, corruption, point shaving scandals, etc.
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BillyTheCat
4/1/2022 9:26 AM
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:expand_more
And OSU leads the nation in NIL's for this year. The amazing thing is nationwide how little the basketball player is getting. And to some's point on this topic, there is a misunderstanding that is probably coming from bad advice, but there is not money that is going to change anyone's life or college experience coming down the pipe for 99% of these athletes.
I’m guessing nobody has any idea how much money is being paid to athletes outside of the “legal” NIL deals. When it was “illegal” there were later reported 6 figure deals being made. You don’t think there are still lots of under the table deals being made?
What's the point of an under the table deal when you can do it out in the open?

People seem to think the black market wasn't caused by the lack of a market. The sketchiness and illegal activities were a direct result of a huge industry being so aggressively over-regulated that key value creators were left out altogether. It's legal now. I own a business. If I want to pay Sears to stay, nothing stops me from doing it. Why would I do it under the table?
Because as others have said in this thread, there are some limitations (admittedly not many) on NIL payments. Why bother with those if you can pay under the table?
Because paying under the table has landed multiple people in jail?

You yourself acknowledge there aren't many restrictions on NIL payments. So what is it about the restrictions there are that make committing a crime worth it?

I think that people are failing to contextualize why there was corruption and elicit payments under the old system and are making a false assumption that that activity was somehow inherent to college athletics. It wasn't. It was inherent to a hugely over-regulated market. It's a basic truism that when a legal market doesn't exist, but there's demand for something, an illegal market will pop up.
We now have a legal market.

Everybody crows about the "unintended consequences" of the NIL. But it's always people who ignore the unintended consequences of the prior system: bribery, corruption, point shaving scandals, etc.
Oh, you are still going to see illicit activities.
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Ohio's Bobcat
4/1/2022 9:32 AM
I would just like to point out that IF he goes to a HM, he is going to get more than just possible NIL deals. Apparently, more than a few people think a scholarship at ohio is equal to a scholarship everywhere. Sure, the bottom line for the player is $0.

But factor all the things you get at the higher levels - better facilities, more gear, nicer dorm/housing, player lounges, team chef, easier travel (private plans), nutritionist...i could go on and on

Not that everyone doesn't know this but I haven't seen it pointed out in this thread. Just pointing things out from a player perspective and not factoring anyone's opinion on how well Sears will play at the "next" level. Most players are convinced they can be successful in SEC after two successful years in the MAC.
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BillyTheCat
4/1/2022 9:43 AM
Ohio's Bobcat wrote:expand_more
I would just like to point out that IF he goes to a HM, he is going to get more than just possible NIL deals. Apparently, more than a few people think a scholarship at ohio is equal to a scholarship everywhere. Sure, the bottom line for the player is $0.

But factor all the things you get at the higher levels - better facilities, more gear, nicer dorm/housing, player lounges, team chef, easier travel (private plans), nutritionist...i could go on and on

Not that everyone doesn't know this but I haven't seen it pointed out in this thread. Just pointing things out from a player perspective and not factoring anyone's opinion on how well Sears will play at the "next" level. Most players are convinced they can be successful in SEC after two successful years in the MAC.
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BillyTheCat
4/1/2022 10:11 AM
WVU showing interest in Sears, according to the article so are these schools: Alabama, Appalachian State, Auburn, Creighton, Florida, Georgetown, LSU, Miami, Notre Dame, Ole Miss, Samford, South Carolina and Texas are also interested.

https://wvsportsnow.com/west-virginia-shows-interest-in-o... /
Last Edited: 4/1/2022 10:12:33 AM by BillyTheCat
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Kinggeorge4
4/1/2022 10:12 AM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
I would just like to point out that IF he goes to a HM, he is going to get more than just possible NIL deals. Apparently, more than a few people think a scholarship at ohio is equal to a scholarship everywhere. Sure, the bottom line for the player is $0.

But factor all the things you get at the higher levels - better facilities, more gear, nicer dorm/housing, player lounges, team chef, easier travel (private plans), nutritionist...i could go on and on

Not that everyone doesn't know this but I haven't seen it pointed out in this thread. Just pointing things out from a player perspective and not factoring anyone's opinion on how well Sears will play at the "next" level. Most players are convinced they can be successful in SEC after two successful years in the MAC.
+1
Definitely need more donors to join the ranks to attract athletes here.
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The Optimist
4/1/2022 10:35 AM
Kinggeorge4 wrote:expand_more
I would just like to point out that IF he goes to a HM, he is going to get more than just possible NIL deals. Apparently, more than a few people think a scholarship at ohio is equal to a scholarship everywhere. Sure, the bottom line for the player is $0.

But factor all the things you get at the higher levels - better facilities, more gear, nicer dorm/housing, player lounges, team chef, easier travel (private plans), nutritionist...i could go on and on

Not that everyone doesn't know this but I haven't seen it pointed out in this thread. Just pointing things out from a player perspective and not factoring anyone's opinion on how well Sears will play at the "next" level. Most players are convinced they can be successful in SEC after two successful years in the MAC.
+1
Definitely need more donors to join the ranks to attract athletes here.
I hope Mark Sears does well. I'm not quite to donor-level but am close
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mf279801
4/1/2022 11:57 AM
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:expand_more
Sorry, his mom is sitting courtside openly complaining to strangers that her son, on a full ride college scholarship, isn't getting enough cash. Bad look. Good riddance.
It's truly bizarre to me how completely the NCAA managed to convince people that wanting to earn money is somehow wrong.

You think he's going to get a demonstrably worse education elsewhere? He either cares about it or he doesn't. If he does, he'll get a good education basically wherever. If he doesn't, it doesn't matter where he is. As for the "family" bit, you think he's not gonna be close with his teammates elsewhere?

I would rather he be a Bobcat next year. But if he's not gonna be, I'm not gonna pretend it's some immoral choice. And I'm certainly not going to criticize some kid's mom about the content of a conversation I wasn't involved in.
It’s an entirely rational choice for Sears, and i agree that there is no moral stain on him for this decision.

At the same time, my hope (that if he does transfer, he rides the bench wherever he ends up and never earns a penny from NIL or playing basketball) is also rational
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BurritoBuggy4
4/1/2022 3:21 PM
Per Jon Rothstein...

Sears is receiving attention from Auburn, LSU, Alabama, Old Miss, Texas, Creighton, West Virginia, Miami-FL, Notre Dame, Florida, Georgetown, South Carolina and, (God bless 'em for trying) Samford and Appalachian State.

So, SEC is heavily interested.
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spongeBOB CATpants
4/1/2022 4:01 PM
I can't be the only one who is surprised by this list of interested schools?

"Interest" can mean a lot of things, any confirmation on offers?
Last Edited: 4/1/2022 4:02:19 PM by spongeBOB CATpants
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GraffZ06
4/1/2022 5:40 PM
HOT TAKE ALERT

BVP and Sears are hitting the portal BECAUSE they know Boals is gone. Not the other way around.

Does that change your opinion of their choice?
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D.A.
4/1/2022 6:03 PM
Definitely time to drop football, so we can amplify and fixate further on how screwed we are in mid major hoops. Send in the clowns...que sera sera...other platitudes and the like...
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GraffZ06
4/1/2022 7:59 PM
D.A. wrote:expand_more
Definitely time to drop football, so we can amplify and fixate further on how screwed we are in mid major hoops. Send in the clowns...que sera sera...other platitudes and the like...
No, you either drop football and go all-in (including ponying up the $$$ for revolving coaches and players) on basketball, knowing you've at least got a shot at playing for a championship if/when you either catch lightning in a bottle or elevate the program.

Or you just admit that the athletic arms race is beyond our means, focus on student-athletes, and drop everything down to D2 with other schools in the same geographic and economic position.

The absolute worst position would be to do nothing and stay in the constant limbo of wishing to compete, but not having the ability/will to pay for it, and putting the university, coaches, athletes and fans through decades of decaying/waning interest.
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Cellis033
4/1/2022 8:29 PM
GraffZ06 wrote:expand_more
Definitely time to drop football, so we can amplify and fixate further on how screwed we are in mid major hoops. Send in the clowns...que sera sera...other platitudes and the like...
No, you either drop football and go all-in (including ponying up the $$$ for revolving coaches and players) on basketball, knowing you've at least got a shot at playing for a championship if/when you either catch lightning in a bottle or elevate the program.

Or you just admit that the athletic arms race is beyond our means, focus on student-athletes, and drop everything down to D2 with other schools in the same geographic and economic position.

The absolute worst position would be to do nothing and stay in the constant limbo of wishing to compete, but not having the ability/will to pay for it, and putting the university, coaches, athletes and fans through decades of decaying/waning interest.
As much as I would HATE to leave D1 if it has to be done will I eventually accept it. I love football as well and it would pain me to completely axe the program but reaching the new playoff format is going to be almost impossible.
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71 BOBCAT
4/3/2022 8:59 AM
Can a player who is in the portal change his mind and return to his current school?
Is there any example of this?






GO BOBCATS
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shabamon
4/3/2022 9:16 AM
71 BOBCAT wrote:expand_more
Can a player who is in the portal change his mind and return to his current school?
Is there any example of this?






GO BOBCATS
Peyton Sparks of Ball State just did it. BG's Justin Turner did it.
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OUbobcat9092
4/3/2022 12:02 PM
71 BOBCAT wrote:expand_more
Can a player who is in the portal change his mind and return to his current school?
Is there any example of this?


GO BOBCATS
They do not have to leave if they enter the transfer portal.

Both BVP and Seats could choose to stay, if they want to...
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Pataskala
4/3/2022 12:39 PM
Cellis033 wrote:expand_more
Definitely time to drop football, so we can amplify and fixate further on how screwed we are in mid major hoops. Send in the clowns...que sera sera...other platitudes and the like...
No, you either drop football and go all-in (including ponying up the $$$ for revolving coaches and players) on basketball, knowing you've at least got a shot at playing for a championship if/when you either catch lightning in a bottle or elevate the program.

Or you just admit that the athletic arms race is beyond our means, focus on student-athletes, and drop everything down to D2 with other schools in the same geographic and economic position.

The absolute worst position would be to do nothing and stay in the constant limbo of wishing to compete, but not having the ability/will to pay for it, and putting the university, coaches, athletes and fans through decades of decaying/waning interest.
As much as I would HATE to leave D1 if it has to be done will I eventually accept it. I love football as well and it would pain me to completely axe the program but reaching the new playoff format is going to be almost impossible.
Eventually, it's likely to come down to three football subdivisions within D1: the "P"s, who'll want their own playoff without sharing bowl money with the G5s; a bowl system playoff for the G5s plus maybe a few 1AA schools that have dominated that playoff; and the rest of the 1AAs. The G5 teams that can or want to compete with the "P"s will find a way to move into the "P" group while the rest of us only have to compete among ourselves.
Last Edited: 4/3/2022 12:40:44 PM by Pataskala
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Jeff McKinney
4/3/2022 2:20 PM
Pataskala wrote:expand_more
Definitely time to drop football, so we can amplify and fixate further on how screwed we are in mid major hoops. Send in the clowns...que sera sera...other platitudes and the like...
No, you either drop football and go all-in (including ponying up the $$$ for revolving coaches and players) on basketball, knowing you've at least got a shot at playing for a championship if/when you either catch lightning in a bottle or elevate the program.

Or you just admit that the athletic arms race is beyond our means, focus on student-athletes, and drop everything down to D2 with other schools in the same geographic and economic position.

The absolute worst position would be to do nothing and stay in the constant limbo of wishing to compete, but not having the ability/will to pay for it, and putting the university, coaches, athletes and fans through decades of decaying/waning interest.
As much as I would HATE to leave D1 if it has to be done will I eventually accept it. I love football as well and it would pain me to completely axe the program but reaching the new playoff format is going to be almost impossible.
Eventually, it's likely to come down to three football subdivisions within D1: the "P"s, who'll want their own playoff without sharing bowl money with the G5s; a bowl system playoff for the G5s plus maybe a few 1AA schools that have dominated that playoff; and the rest of the 1AAs. The G5 teams that can or want to compete with the "P"s will find a way to move into the "P" group while the rest of us only have to compete among ourselves.
I've thought for a long time that this model is a distinct possibility.
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Cellis033
4/3/2022 3:00 PM
From League Him Instagram:

"Sears tells me that he's "looking for a school that will allow [him] to be a playmaker/floor general. A school that thrives in transition, has a great culture, and will allow [him] to lead them to a final four. He added that he's "not worried about accolades because I know all that stuff comes with winning."

Wasn't he already a playmaker / floor general here AND OU has a great culture? I understand that he wants to go to a Final Four (Sounds familiar with Simmons?!) but man. Gutted. But, being optimistic for next season. Plenty of young talent coming in and we still have the possibility of portal guys coming in.
Last Edited: 4/3/2022 3:10:03 PM by Cellis033
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TWT
4/3/2022 3:49 PM
Pataskala wrote:expand_more
Definitely time to drop football, so we can amplify and fixate further on how screwed we are in mid major hoops. Send in the clowns...que sera sera...other platitudes and the like...
No, you either drop football and go all-in (including ponying up the $$$ for revolving coaches and players) on basketball, knowing you've at least got a shot at playing for a championship if/when you either catch lightning in a bottle or elevate the program.

Or you just admit that the athletic arms race is beyond our means, focus on student-athletes, and drop everything down to D2 with other schools in the same geographic and economic position.

The absolute worst position would be to do nothing and stay in the constant limbo of wishing to compete, but not having the ability/will to pay for it, and putting the university, coaches, athletes and fans through decades of decaying/waning interest.
As much as I would HATE to leave D1 if it has to be done will I eventually accept it. I love football as well and it would pain me to completely axe the program but reaching the new playoff format is going to be almost impossible.
Eventually, it's likely to come down to three football subdivisions within D1: the "P"s, who'll want their own playoff without sharing bowl money with the G5s; a bowl system playoff for the G5s plus maybe a few 1AA schools that have dominated that playoff; and the rest of the 1AAs. The G5 teams that can or want to compete with the "P"s will find a way to move into the "P" group while the rest of us only have to compete among ourselves.
If the said model comes to pass the G5 could have as many scholarships as the P5 but have more regulation in place as far as NIL and salaries to keep everything financially sustainable.

I am the believe that Ohio does better in a regulated athletic and academic environment because of market limitations. What I mean by regulated academic market is if the university was guaranteed a larger cut of the state appropriations and had a monopoly on offering certain programs. To an extent that is the way it is already but if it was more that way it would help the university.
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