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Ted Thompson
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Posted: 1/22/2011 5:13 PM
Buffalo outscores Ohio 48-25 in second half while shooting 72% for the half. 72%.
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Posted: 1/22/2011 5:15 PM
Ted Thompson wrote:expand_more
Buffalo outscores Ohio 48-25 in second half while shooting 72% for the half. 72%.


You'll have that when you give up open 3's and shots within 4 ft of the basket on a consistent basis.
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Posted: 1/22/2011 5:16 PM
If you are not infuriated after getting beat by 2 former walk-ons after being up 18 at the half, you don't have a soul. 

I can't tell you if there is a bright spot from this game.  For whatever reason, we abandoned our hot hand (Kellogg) in the second half while Buffalo gave the ball to their hot shooters.
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Posted: 1/22/2011 5:16 PM
Embarrassing.
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Posted: 1/22/2011 5:18 PM
Jughead wrote:expand_more
If you are not infuriated after getting beat by 2 former walk-ons after being up 18 at the half, you don't have a soul. 

I can't tell you if there is a bright spot from this game.  For whatever reason, we abandoned our hot hand (Kellogg) in the second half while Buffalo gave the ball to their hot shooters.


Bright spot? Eastern Michigan visiting the Convo next.
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Posted: 1/22/2011 5:19 PM
that was an afternoon wasted in front of my television...
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Posted: 1/22/2011 5:20 PM
A team with no clue.

I think that in attempting to stop the opposition from scoring that we should guard the guy with the ball (seems to be the only person who can score) and the opposition's obvious scoring threats.  I'm not sure what getting out of position by guarding guys who are 25 or more feet from the rim and unlikely to score from that distance gets us...beside defenisve breakdowns.

Not even attempting to have a post game allows the opposition to use all five of their defenders guarding our outside guys.  Result:  we get shut down from outside.

What % of our shots come from our 'scorers'?  What % of the opponents shots do we allow to be taken by their likely scoring threats?  [I turned it on with us up 47-33 and I think that Cooper and Freeman had maybe one shot from then on until the desperate last 20 seconds.]

If we play like we did in the second half today, we'll lose a lot more games this year. (duh)  We need to get a clue.
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Posted: 1/22/2011 5:20 PM
Wait we were up 18 at HOME....to Beefs...and LOST?

Wow I thought the Kansas loss was embarrassing. Then I thought, eh that's alright at least we'll beat Miami at home because they're TERRIBLE. But alas I was wrong. Now this? Good grief man, wilderness campaign here we come.
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Posted: 1/22/2011 5:21 PM
We looked like we were scared to win. Tentative on both ends. Silly mistakes.  Gave them some hope right out of the chute in the second half. The ran with it. We ran the other way.
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Posted: 1/22/2011 5:24 PM
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Jay Kinney was ejected last year in the game against Buffalo for less than that. 
What the hell were these refs looking at today because it was not this game?  I could see that (^) not being a foul if the guy was going to box out Tommy, yet he does not even turn around and that is a elbow straight to the head.  I really wish Groce will call these guys out (via press conference, etc.) after he sees the video footage because the refs were only there to collect a paycheck and not to keep order in this game.

edit: elbow, not shoulder
Last Edited: 1/22/2011 5:26:01 PM by Jughead
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Posted: 1/22/2011 5:26 PM
Unbelievable! Was that KJ, Majerle and Barkley out there in the second half? We definitely made them look like it.  I've never seen a team find as many ways to lose as this one this year. 
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Posted: 1/22/2011 5:38 PM
I believe, after seeing a bunch of games on tv and over the internet this year, that the collective
'Basketball IQ" of this group, this year, at this time is not in the triple digits.

I hope things get better!
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Posted: 1/22/2011 5:53 PM
The real kicker of that play with Tommy is that even if you ignore the malicious elbow shot it's still a foul for a moving screen.  That play was a blatant foul before he threw an elbow.  
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Posted: 1/22/2011 6:09 PM
Pretty sure the highlight of the second half was Dragon's face paint: part homage to Peter Criss, part homage to Rufus.

Tim, did you capture a screen shot of that?
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Posted: 1/22/2011 7:06 PM
intrpdtrvlr wrote:expand_more
The real kicker of that play with Tommy is that even if you ignore the malicious elbow shot it's still a foul for a moving screen.  That play was a blatant foul before he threw an elbow.  

LOL, what? That would be no moving screen because Ohio was on offense...Tommy was going through the motions or getting ready to crash the bucket for the rebound.  I believe that the ball was either chucked up for a jumper from the left side of the screen at that time, or someone was driving to the hoop from the left side. Either way, the ball is on the left side of the screen which is noticeable if you watch most of the players heads.
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Posted: 1/22/2011 7:06 PM
D.A. wrote:expand_more
Pretty sure the highlight of the second half was Dragon's face paint: part homage to Peter Criss, part homage to Rufus.

Tim, did you capture a screen shot of that?



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Posted: 1/22/2011 7:16 PM
That was very, very hard to watch.

I don't know what happened at halftime, but the MOMENT the second half begain, Buffalo found its mojo, we lost ours, and we played like a team scared to compete.  Where the pride defensively?!?!  You can't let a team shoot that high of a percentage!
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Posted: 1/22/2011 7:34 PM
Tommy has a reputation as a flopper, something that was addressed strongly at the league meetings, in essence he has hurt himself when it comes to getting that call. The play was reviewed, and if you watch that in the slow mo and his arms go failing, there was an element of the flop involved. I don't see how there wasn't a common foul, but more than that I don't think. The replay can not be used to call fouls, only look at the severitity of a foul, a punch or other unsportsmanlike like act. Also I saw at least two rebounding situations where instead of fighting for the ball he was doing his usual turtle imitation, laying on his back.
Last Edited: 1/22/2011 7:37:24 PM by John C. Wanamaker
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Posted: 1/22/2011 8:49 PM
John C. Wanamaker wrote:expand_more
Tommy has a reputation as a flopper, something that was addressed strongly at the league meetings, in essence he has hurt himself when it comes to getting that call. The play was reviewed, and if you watch that in the slow mo and his arms go failing, there was an element of the flop involved. I don't see how there wasn't a common foul, but more than that I don't think. The replay can not be used to call fouls, only look at the severitity of a foul, a punch or other unsportsmanlike like act. Also I saw at least two rebounding situations where instead of fighting for the ball he was doing his usual turtle imitation, laying on his back.


JCW, what particular malfunction has caused you to call out Tommy on at least two occasions this past week?

I mean, there are so many actual problems with this team I just can't conceive why you would repeatedly harp on his rebounding.

Funny that you would choose that as your focus, because I see a team with nothing resembling interior defense or ballhawking and nothing resembling a competent big man. Tommy should have very little to do with rebounding, and if he does, that's on Groce.

If you want to call out some boneheaded plays today, I'd nominate these two:

1. Asown jumping with the ball but with no idea what he'll do after he jumps. I was taught to never do that, and it was taught before I was shaving.

2. D.J. not protecting the ball as he drove down the court with about a minute left and the Cats down three. I think he was the only person in the building who didn't see that steal coming.

My point's not to call out Asown or D.J., just to say that Tommy's rebounding is not very relevant if you want to look at mistakes that are hurting.
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Posted: 1/22/2011 9:05 PM
John C. Wanamaker wrote:expand_more
Tommy has a reputation as a flopper, something that was addressed strongly at the league meetings, in essence he has hurt himself when it comes to getting that call. The play was reviewed, and if you watch that in the slow mo and his arms go failing, there was an element of the flop involved. I don't see how there wasn't a common foul, but more than that I don't think. The replay can not be used to call fouls, only look at the severitity of a foul, a punch or other unsportsmanlike like act. Also I saw at least two rebounding situations where instead of fighting for the ball he was doing his usual turtle imitation, laying on his back.




         This Flop left a pretty nice mark on Tommy's throat, when you throw an elbow, you should be held accountable,   The elbow was intentional and a Technical should of been called. Not sure what the Refs was lookin at, but they dropped the ball on the call.

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Dennis "Gman"    "IT'S DAGGER TIME"
Last Edited: 1/22/2011 9:06:33 PM by BobcatGman
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Posted: 1/22/2011 10:03 PM
Didn't appear to me that there was any element of flopping on that play.  With the point of emphasis this season on throwing elbows, Watt should have been penalized.  
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Posted: 1/22/2011 10:49 PM
John C. Wanamaker wrote:expand_more
The replay can not be used to call fouls, only look at the severitity of a foul, a punch or other unsportsmanlike like act.


Then why were they replaying it? 
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Posted: 1/22/2011 11:08 PM
Bottom line is since MAC play has started, we have stopped playing with any confidence or poise.  I personally think that starts at the top.
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Posted: 1/22/2011 11:09 PM
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The replay can not be used to call fouls, only look at the severitity of a foul, a punch or other unsportsmanlike like act.


Then why were they replaying it?
You replay to see an unsportsmanlike like act. You can go back and review for it and even eject, but you can not go back and call a foul. (yes you can eject without a foul).

If you guys would read I NEVER said I didn't think it wasn't a foul, I simply told you that at the MAC meetings this year a hot topic was the flopping that Tommy does. I believe the proof is in the pudding, Tommy has drawn fewer charges this year than his other three years. Why? Because coaches have complained and complained and complained about it.
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Posted: 1/22/2011 11:16 PM
Putnam, I don't believe I've called him out. Earlier in the week on the thread about rebounding, I gave his career numbers, that is a statistical fact. Today I made the observation that during at least two rebounding scrims he was lying on his back flopping out of the pile. You are the one using the term "Bonehead" not me. Tommy is/was doing what he does and has always done. He is a great SET shooter, good foul shooter, below average defender, and weak rebounder. Has he been a good Bobcat? YES! Does he bring some positives? YES, does he have some limitation? YES.
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