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Posted: 12/12/2011 3:16 PM

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I remember doing this comparison last year. It really is startling, isn't it?

The sad part is that the West seems so much better this year but Western is unexpectedly bringing them down. If Miami were even having an average year for them the East would have come in at 8th in RPI.

Yeah, I was excited about Toledo and Eastern being up potentially helping, but Western and Northern are taking their place.

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Posted: 12/12/2011 4:55 PM

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Pomeroy still doesn't like us.

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Posted: 12/13/2011 2:18 AM

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Pomeroy still doesn't like us.

Well I don't like his pay wall.

I really miss having his simple team pages when looking at upcoming matchups, but I can't justify the cash just for that.

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Posted: 12/13/2011 10:48 AM

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Pomeroy still doesn't like us.

Pomeroy doesn't appear to like any mids. Memphis ahead of Murray State. Going to have to hear the explanation for that one. Marshall is also ahead of us.

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Posted: 12/13/2011 12:24 PM

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Maybe the preseason bias is still in the rankings; it was last week. I don't know.

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Posted: 12/13/2011 5:44 PM

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ESPN has a column in their RPI rankings (in which we are 25)...Called "Joe Lunardi's preferred formula"....whatever that means. But we are 5th in the country in that, behind Baylor, Syracuse, Miss St, & Purdue.

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Posted: 12/13/2011 6:14 PM

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"Joe Lunardi's preferred formula"....whatever that means. But we are 5th in the country in that, behind Baylor, Syracuse, Miss St, & Purdue.

I guess that means they don't think we'll be in the final four.

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Posted: 12/13/2011 7:20 PM

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It's clearly a better formula.

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Posted: 12/13/2011 7:22 PM

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Looking forward to our #2 seed.

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Posted: 12/13/2011 10:11 PM

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It is preferred, afterall.

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Posted: 12/14/2011 11:00 AM

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Back up to #19.

On a side note I watched the CMU-Minnesota game last night. The Chips are extremely lazy on defense. Trey Zeigler in particular was completely passive fighting through picks. It really made me appreciate our defensive effort more.

Tangent #2 - the game of the night had to be Belmont - Middle Tennessee. Followed along with it on gamecast while watching the CMU game. Back and forth affair at the finish.

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Posted: 12/14/2011 3:26 PM

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Once the power conferences get into conference play, the mids will drop like a ton of bricks.

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Posted: 12/14/2011 3:58 PM

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Once the power conferences get into conference play, the mids will drop like a ton of bricks.

No. Teams that take care of business during conference play will be fine. They always are.

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Posted: 12/15/2011 10:36 AM

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Ohio back up to #14 which is the same as the MAC.

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Posted: 12/15/2011 11:42 AM

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Well. north Carolina will be playing Duke and Ohio State will be playing Michigan, etc. etc. and we will be playing Eastern Michigan and Miami, etc etc.

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Posted: 12/15/2011 1:54 PM

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First Bracketology is out and Joe has us as a #13 seed.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology

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Posted: 12/15/2011 2:06 PM

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Well. north Carolina will be playing Duke and Ohio State will be playing Michigan, etc. etc. and we will be playing Eastern Michigan and Miami, etc etc.

His point is if we win we don't drop. Losing to EMU and Miami crushes your RPI. Our RPI won't be as good as Duke or North Carolina's if they end up with the same record but we could end up better if we win and they don't.

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Posted: 12/15/2011 10:13 PM

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Well. north Carolina will be playing Duke and Ohio State will be playing Michigan, etc. etc. and we will be playing Eastern Michigan and Miami, etc etc.

Yep, the power of the mighty ACC lifted North Carolina and Duke's RPI last year to... behind San Diego State. UNC was also behind BYU. What do Louisville, Wisconsin, and Syracuse have in common? They finished behind Utah State last year. Arizona was in a virtual tie with Old Dominion. UCLA finished behind Cleveland State, Missouri State, and Harvard. 13 of the RPI top 40 last season were not in the power conferences.

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Posted: 12/16/2011 9:37 AM

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Interesting that Ohio dropped from #23 to #32 overnight in the Sagarin ratings.

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Posted: 12/16/2011 10:38 AM

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The MAC has 17 games left with teams that are currently in the top 100 in RPI. Unfortunately the vast majority of those games are on the road. And worse, most of the games are against our lesser-lights. But there are some real opportunties, particularly for us and the Beefs to help their resumes in the next couple of weeks.

Ohio
@Northern Iowa 3
Robert Morris 85

Kent State
None

Buffalo
@BYU 81
@Temple 43

Akron
VCU 61

Bowling Green
@Michigan State 44

Miami
Belmont 67
@tOSU 23
@Vanderbilt 7

Ball State
None

Toledo
Cleveland State 37

Central Michigan
@Iowa State 57
@Nebraska 90

Eastern Michigan
@Virginia Tech 53
@Santa Clara 86

Western Michigan
Duquesne 99
@Duke 1

Northern Illinois
Valparaiso 60

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Posted: 12/16/2011 11:13 AM

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Thanks, Van. Good post.

Just wanted to point out that Ohio's game vs. Robert Morris is in Athens.

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Posted: 12/16/2011 11:48 AM

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Thanks, Van. Good post.

Just wanted to point out that Ohio's game vs. Robert Morris is in Athens.

Oops. Corrected, thanks. That actually is a big deal.

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Posted: 12/16/2011 3:39 PM

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Larry (Athens, OH)

My Ohio Bobcats are 8-1, with our only loss by 5 at Louisville, and up to #15 in the RPI this morning. While that RPI will certainly drop a bit during MAC play, do we have a legitimate shot at an at-large bid this year? Is the game vs. Northern Iowa on Tuesday a "must win" for us to get one?

Joe Lunardi
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It's going to drop more than a "bit," Larry. Not even the most ardent Ohio fan would place the Bobcats anywhere near the Top 15. Having said that, yes, the return BracketBusters game vs. UNI is equally critical for both schools in terms of an at-large.

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Posted: 12/16/2011 3:40 PM

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Ryan (Raleigh)

Do you make these projections based off of the current rankings? Or do you make them based off where you think teams will be when the selection committee deliberates?

Joe Lunardi

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This early in the year, Ryan, the brackets are definitely more art than science. The data samples are so small that the outliers (e.g., Ohio U) are many. So I project a little bit and look mainly for NCAA-level scheduling and winning in non-conference games.

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Posted: 12/16/2011 3:42 PM

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Nick (Columbus, OH)

Not to make this an all Ohio U. chat, but in terms of "NCAA-level scheduling" how do you look at a team like that? They only have one "Big 6" opponent on the schedule in Louisville, but then a series of good mid-major games at Marshall, at Oakland, at Northern Iowa, vs. Robert Morris, vs. Lamar. How much traction do those type of wins get a team that might lack the big "name brand" win?

Joe Lunardi

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More than you would think, Nick. I consider most of those "NCAA level" (or at least "NCAA consideration") games. The Committee is quite wise to the ways of scheduling and its difficulties at the mid-major level. Keep the faith...