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Posted: 3/20/2012 11:21 AM
71 BOBCAT wrote:expand_more
bobcat72.........
Beating UNC at full strength means that there are no excuses, ie their best player didn't play due to injury.
One should not conclude from my comment that winning Friday without Marshall would not be a great feat.
However, in todays world there seems to be asteriks after many accomplishments, ie home run records in baseball etc.





GO BOBCATS


Nobody 5 years from now will remember #13 OHIO beating #1UNC without Marshall....nobody. They will just remember it as a #13 beating a #1.
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Posted: 3/20/2012 11:34 AM
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bobcat72.........
Beating UNC at full strength means that there are no excuses, ie their best player didn't play due to injury.
One should not conclude from my comment that winning Friday without Marshall would not be a great feat.
However, in todays world there seems to be asterisks after many accomplishments, ie home run records in baseball etc.





GO BOBCATS


Nobody 5 years from now will remember #13 OHIO beating #1UNC without Marshall....nobody. They will just remember it as a #13 beating a #1.


Not only that, but he's not their best player.  A certain #40 for them is.
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Posted: 3/20/2012 12:22 PM
Should we bench Cooper to make it fair for UNC?










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Posted: 3/20/2012 3:14 PM
OU_Country wrote:expand_more
bobcat72.........
Beating UNC at full strength means that there are no excuses, ie their best player didn't play due to injury.
One should not conclude from my comment that winning Friday without Marshall would not be a great feat.
However, in todays world there seems to be asterisks after many accomplishments, ie home run records in baseball etc.





GO BOBCATS


Nobody 5 years from now will remember #13 OHIO beating #1UNC without Marshall....nobody. They will just remember it as a #13 beating a #1.


Not only that, but he's not their best player.  A certain #40 for them is.


He may not be their best, but he is the one they can least afford to lose.
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Posted: 3/20/2012 3:38 PM
71 BOBCAT wrote:expand_more
bobcat72.........
Beating UNC at full strength means that there are no excuses, ie their best player didn't play due to injury.
One should not conclude from my comment that winning Friday without Marshall would not be a great feat.
However, in todays world there seems to be asteriks after many accomplishments, ie home run records in baseball etc.


Without Marshall playing we only have to stop 4 lottery picks instead of 5. Oh no. 

Even without Marshall there is no asterisk, it would still be the biggest win in school history. 
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Posted: 3/20/2012 3:46 PM
Sounds like according to the mothership of sports, UNC isn't planning on Marshall playing Friday.
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Posted: 3/20/2012 3:55 PM
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Sounds like according to the mothership of sports, UNC isn't planning on Marshall playing Friday.


Even if he could stand the pain it would be idiotic for him to play.  It's just way too important for a PG to have to be able to use both hands fully.  Ask DJ how many times his hands get slapped hard during games.
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Posted: 3/20/2012 4:13 PM
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If Marshall does play, you gotta have Stevie & DJ harrassing him 90 feet and making him go right the entire game.  In fact, despite the size issues we already have, I'd consider playing Stevie extended minutes just to harrass him and not worry if he fouls out or not.  No matter what, you gotta think Marshall is going to have a hard time handling the ball with his right hand no matter how well he bounces back from surgery?


Agree with you, George ... I'm almost hoping he does try to play because I think he might be more of a liability trying to play with the injury than a help to UNC.


I agree, make him play fullcourt, make him use that hand. If it begins to hurt, he'll favor the good hand and be much more predictable and get his pocket picked. If they apply painkillers to it, he'll have less sensitivity, less feel for the ball, and thus limit his ability. Marshall is a passer first, not so much of a dribble/drive penetrator. Play the lanes, play the gaps more. He'll want the ball out of his hands and preferable right into ours more.  UNC has a huge size advantage. They'll kill us on the glass and they'll score inside with higher percentage shots.  To counter, we must gain a significant edge in overall shooting opportunities, create turnovers. -1 shot for them and +1 shot for us is 2 opportunities, 4 to 6 points each time, the points they didn't score plus the ones we did.
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Posted: 3/20/2012 4:59 PM
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Sounds like according to the mothership of sports, UNC isn't planning on Marshall playing Friday.


Even if he could stand the pain it would be idiotic for him to play.  It's just way too important for a PG to have to be able to use both hands fully.  Ask DJ how many times his hands get slapped hard during games.


In fact, Carolina should just skip us and prepare for Kansas. That's too important of a game to waste on preparation for us.
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Posted: 3/20/2012 5:03 PM

North Carolina's ranks among 345 NCAA teams:
Offensive efficiency: 15
Shooting percentage: 55
3-point percentage: 168
FT percentage: 211
FT/possession: 65
Off. rebounding: 8
Def. rebounding: 26
Turnovers: 11
Fouls: 1 (fewest in the nation)
Defensive efficiency: 18
Opponent FG percentage: 21
Opponent 3-point percentage: 59
Opponent turnovers: 249
Opponent fouls: 14
Possessions/game: 10

The only thing they North Carolina isn't good at is forcing turnovers and free throw percentage. UNC is an average 3-point shooting team. The Tar Heel's offense rates very high because of shooting a high percentage on 2-point shots, shooting a lot of free throws, getting a lot of offensive rebounds and not turning it over. The defense rates very highly by making opponents shoot low percentages, not giving up second chances and not fouling.

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Posted: 3/20/2012 6:02 PM
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bobcat72.........
Beating UNC at full strength means that there are no excuses, ie their best player didn't play due to injury.
One should not conclude from my comment that winning Friday without Marshall would not be a great feat.
However, in todays world there seems to be asterisks after many accomplishments, ie home run records in baseball etc.





GO BOBCATS


Nobody 5 years from now will remember #13 OHIO beating #1UNC without Marshall....nobody. They will just remember it as a #13 beating a #1.


Not only that, but he's not their best player.  A certain #40 for them is.


Actually, Zeller has been their best player for most of the year
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Posted: 3/20/2012 6:48 PM
The recipe for beating them is to limit them from getting out and running.  They often times do not hit the first shot but with the defense scrambling to defend, their opponents have left trailers open for offensive rebounding and put backs.  So,  how  does OUr team limit UNC from running?  

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Posted: 3/20/2012 7:42 PM
"What you've got to do is cut the hamstring on the back of their legs right at the bottom. They'll never play basketball again"
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Posted: 3/20/2012 8:13 PM
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The recipe for beating them is to limit them from getting out and running.  They often times do not hit the first shot but with the defense scrambling to defend, their opponents have left trailers open for offensive rebounding and put backs.  So,  how  does OUr team limit UNC from running?  

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Break Marshall's wrist.  Also take (and make) high percentage shots.  Don't commit turnovers.
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Posted: 3/20/2012 8:15 PM
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"What you've got to do is cut the hamstring on the back of their legs right at the bottom. They'll never play basketball again"



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Posted: 3/20/2012 11:05 PM
As you mentioned, UNC is back off break.  NC State had theirs several weeks ago.
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Posted: 3/21/2012 3:54 AM
Even with out Marshall this would be the upset of all upsets..honestly on paper this thing looks NIGHTMARISH. But its not played on paper and if we can hit 10 threes and have 15-20 turnovers by UNC I think we can win this thing. UNC has 7 future NBA players on the roster..and even without Marshall we have to get Barnes,Zeller or Henson in EARLY foul trouble..they can counter from the bench with McAdoo..Bullock and Hairston. I just can not help imagine WHAT IF..we still had a few guys that left the program the last couple seasons..Final Four or Title Game?? Well just like the video says we are ALL IN with what we got and maybe just maybe we can pull off a Miracle in St Louis!
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Posted: 3/21/2012 8:44 AM
Lets not kid ourselves, this is going to be a tough tough tough game. Not impossible, CERTAINLY, but we're also surely the underdog in this game. Lets remember that and have fun. As others have said, our boys are playing with house money in St. Louis, and thats the best kind of money to play with.
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Posted: 3/21/2012 9:14 AM
http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=7716938

It takes awhile to get there in the interview but Roy Williams respects us - some nice praise
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Posted: 3/21/2012 9:56 AM
I heard that interview coming in to work today. He was very respectful of Ohio. IMO, Roy Williams and Izzo are the examples to follow for prototypical college basketball coaches. No one else comes close.
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Posted: 3/21/2012 10:53 AM
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The big advantage for UNC is obviously their size.  Depending on who plays the point for them, their starting lineup could be as big as 6'5''(Watts), 6'7''(Bullock), 6'8''(Henson), 6'11''(Henson), and 7'0''(Zeller).  Henson and Zeller will cause problems for us on the offensive glass and will give our bigs fits on offense if they don't take it to the basket aggressively.  They are not what I would consider a 3-point shooting team, but Bullock and Barnes have the ability to step out and hit from long range.


I am wodering (out loud, to anyone) what kind of game plan Groce and company put together to stop their bigs. What kind of rotation are we looking at for Ohio and do we think there will be a lot of double teams put together on the inside? One major thing Ohio must do is limit North Carolina's offensive rebounds. That is one reason why the Bulls were up early in the game Sunday, but Ohio squelched in the second half. Ohio is going to have to hit shots from the outside the neutralize UNC's defense; no doubt about it.
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Posted: 3/21/2012 1:32 PM
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I am wodering (out loud, to anyone) what kind of game plan Groce and company put together to stop their bigs. What kind of rotation are we looking at for Ohio and do we think there will be a lot of double teams put together on the inside? One major thing Ohio must do is limit North Carolina's offensive rebounds. That is one reason why the Bulls were up early in the game Sunday, but Ohio squelched in the second half. Ohio is going to have to hit shots from the outside the neutralize UNC's defense; no doubt about it.


We will do what we have done all year. Double the point and then double the ball down low.  Make it really tough for teams to pass the ball to points where offensive players like to catch it.  We have done an amazing job all year on teams that pass the ball to create their offense.  We have been susceptible to players that can create their own shots.  Harrison Barnes scares me.
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Posted: 3/21/2012 1:41 PM
the whole key to why we were down in the 1h i think was because Jon Smith was in foul trouble. Once he played most of the second half it changed the game. Not to mention probably the most important and incredible rebound of the year. Not sure how he got that one.
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Posted: 3/21/2012 2:03 PM
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. Not to mention probably the most important and incredible rebound of the year. Not sure how he got that one.


Great point and let's not forget...that prior to that rebound...Groce put Smith in and took Keely out. No offense to Reg, but only Jon's length could reach that ball.
Last Edited: 3/21/2012 2:03:46 PM by FearLeon
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Posted: 3/21/2012 2:07 PM
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I heard that interview coming in to work today. He was very respectful of Ohio. IMO, Roy Williams and Izzo are the examples to follow for prototypical college basketball coaches. No one else comes close.
 

I think there a few more than just those two, though they are good examples.  Mike Krzyzewski, Brad Stevens are two that come to my mind as well.  Tom Crean isn't a bad example either in my opinion.
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