So Eastern Michigan is better than us is what you're trying to get at?

 I was going to stay out of this but here's my two cents on this:  I don't agree with Monroe and OCF on this.  The NCAA tournament is an objective contest.  The polls are subjective evaluative opinions of those who vote on the relative strengths of teams.  Comparing the NCAA tournament to the polls is like comparing apples to oranges.  If you follow the OCF/Monroe method of imposing the NCAA tournament results in a thorough and exact manner on the polls, you are imposing objectivity on subjectivity.  In fact, you wouldn't even have to vote.  Just sit down with the tournament results and anyone could figure out the rankings.  Apples to oranges. 

The great thing is, the NCAA tournament results are more important than the polls, because the tournament is the officially sanctioned means to determine the championship outcome of the season. 

I'd vote:

1. Apples
2. Oranges
3. Bananas
4. Strawberries
5. Kiwis

According to Bilas, there was quite a movement to prunes, however.

+1 Well said.

All of the above is true (save for bozocat's misanthropy)...but misses the point that it is not irrational in what we all agree is a subjective area (end of year rankings) to use the objective achievement of teams in the most important* tournament of the year.

I mean, you all surely can see that, right? 



*yes, i realize that tabbing the ncaa's as the most important tourney is subjective

Monroe:  Proof that you cannot have a rational conversation with an irrational person.

Considering the sources, I take that as an affirmation.

bozocat--you really think this tagline that you use is a good thing?   Resident OU/OSU fan --

Good to be aboard with people who blanket slam as opposed to bringing reason to the discussion.  JSF, Jeff McKinney and others don't share my opinion and that of OCF here.  But they bring good faith reasoning to it.  I respect what they post.  The approach of calling someone who disagrees with you 'ignorant' and 'irrational' and such doesn't seem very mature or intelligent.

My last word in this thread, since I've already stated my position in a redundantly redundant manner.  As long as we have the NCAA tourney, wins in that tournament are what really separate the men from the boys, so to speak. (Same in the women's tournament with appropriate gender specific terms.)   Since Ohio finished in the Sweet 16, but did not make it to the Elite 8, it would be reasonable to place us anywhere from 9th to 16th in the final poll.  That's where the subjectivity would come in.  Are we the best of the Sweet 16 who didn't advance to the Elite 8, the worst of that cohort or somewhere in the middle?  But, we are certainly better than Michigone!  I see no room for subjectivity on that count.  Perhaps they would have beaten us 7 out of 10 times if we'd played that many games.  I don't know.  You don't know.  What I do know is that we didn't play them that many times.  Back in the day, when we beat UK in the 1964 tourney, we'd probably have beaten their lily white butts 7 out of 10 times, but if they had managed to win that tourney game they would have been the better team that year.  They didn't, and we were.  If you take any other approach, IMHO, you make a mockery of the tournament and might as well just call it off and decide everything by a national poll as it used to be done in football.   OK, I'm through with my redundancies and will finish by saying only, "Monroe Rocks!" 

@OCF While I don't agree with your thoughts on how the postseason poll should work, I could get behind the idea that the postseason poll is superfluous, letting the tournament be the last word.

But, it exists, and this team was the first Ohio team to appear in it. Just another feather in this team's already overflowing cap.

Ah yes.  Now we're back to discrediting people based on what other teams they may choose to root for.

We are 3 spots behind Michigan.  Could or should they be one behind us?  Sure.  But all the rational people here know exactly why they are not.  They had 5 wins over ranked teams.  We had 1.  Their overall resume for the 2011-2012 season is more impressive than ours.  That is a fact, regardless of how much fun we had in March.

And if you go back and read, I didn't call YOU ignorant, Monroe.  I called your THEORY ignorant.  As for the irrational comment, well I don't really need a poll on the board to know where 95% of the votes would go on that one.  You and OCF seem to think that the NCAA Tournament is the only thing that matters, and let's just give rankings based on what happens from mid-March on.  That is ignorant, and if you cannot see that, I'm gonna go bobcatsquared and just stop trying.

Top 32.

  Opps, I thought he just had them winning one tourney game, but 16+2 does equal 18.  That's what I get for posting late at night in my PJs.