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Posted: 10/18/2012 6:56 PM
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El Gato Roberto wrote:expand_more
I don't get everyone's obsession with pre-season polls.  They mean nothing.  I'll take a "no-ranking" in October as long as there's a semi-deep to deep tourney-run in March.  In fact, I think its good to be "in the weeds" in October.  Its a long season.  As the victories mount the Cats will climb the polls.  




I'm guessing it's more of a respect thing. We held our own last year and competed at a top 25 level, and with the same guys coming back it just seems like we would be in a position to do the same and the coaches "should" realize it.  I don't personally get too offended by it but I can understand it. 
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Posted: 10/19/2012 11:39 AM
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I'm guessing it's more of a respect thing. We held our own last year and competed at a top 25 level, and with the same guys coming back it just seems like we would be in a position to do the same and the coaches "should" realize it.  I don't personally get too offended by it but I can understand it. 


We also lost to BG and Eastern Michigan.  While most of us understand that both of those programs really aren't THAT bad, I would assume that most of the media does not agree.

If we're undefeated rolling into Memphis, we'll have plenty of attention.  A win or a very strong showing, and I have no doubts the spotlight will be shining down on Athens.
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Posted: 10/19/2012 3:05 PM
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I'm guessing it's more of a respect thing. We held our own last year and competed at a top 25 level, and with the same guys coming back it just seems like we would be in a position to do the same and the coaches "should" realize it.  I don't personally get too offended by it but I can understand it. 


We also lost to BG and Eastern Michigan.  While most of us understand that both of those programs really aren't THAT bad, I would assume that most of the media does not agree.

If we're undefeated rolling into Memphis, we'll have plenty of attention.  A win or a very strong showing, and I have no doubts the spotlight will be shining down on Athens.


But then on the flipside, you have Michigan, who lost to a now completely unranked and unvoted for Ohio team in the FIRST round of the tourney, yet the coaches have no problem reinserting them right back into a top 5 slot. Seems like they have a very SHORT memory when it comes to the big boys, yet have a very LONG memory when it comes to the mid majors.

The lack of respect has always been pathetic when it comes to mid majors, but IMO, not even garnering one single vote is as bad as I have ever seen it. It gets very frustrating when you do more each year to try and gain respect, yet it still doesn't matter.
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Posted: 10/19/2012 9:11 PM
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I also have no real concern here. From team psychology perspective I gotta think it's better that they know they are top 25 caliber, and have to 'earn" their way in and up the rankings, vs go into early season overly confident, then at some point maybe having to "save" themselves from falling out.
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Posted: 10/20/2012 1:08 AM
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Ozcat--I'm not really concerned about the pre-season polls...but I was not impressed at all with MIchigan.  Did they add a lot of talent since season ended.  No way they should be #5 based on when we played them at the end of their season.
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Posted: 10/20/2012 10:43 AM
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Ozcat--I'm not really concerned about the pre-season polls...but I was not impressed at all with MIchigan.  Did they add a lot of talent since season ended.  No way they should be #5 based on when we played them at the end of their season.


One of the biggest reasons we handled Michigan last March is because they didn't have any quality big men. This year they have added 6'10 Mitch McGary, a top 10 recruit according to Rivals. They also get 6'10 Jon Horford (Brother of Al) back, who missed most of last year due to an injury. 

Top 5 might be a stretch, but they should be a better team this year. 
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Posted: 10/20/2012 11:43 AM
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We had 91 votes in the final coaches poll released in April. We didn't lose 91 votes over the summer because suddenly voters realized 2 of our 8 losses were to EMU and BGSU.

Polls don't matter to this team but they matter to this program. I think we're all confident that this team is good enough to earn votes based on this year's results, but some of us had hoped that our program over the last few years had earned a little more recognition from the voters. DJ once said that he wanted to put OU on the map, we're not there yet. 
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Posted: 10/24/2012 5:44 PM
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The selection committee always says they look at a team's "body of work". If you apply that standard to our last five years, who have we really played and beaten? We've played a handful of games against top teams in the regular season and have lost each game. Some we were crushed. We've had some nice wins in the NCAA, but so have a lot of teams. We certainly have a good team, capable of beating anyone, but to be considered a top 25 team all of sudden is not realistic.

I'll say it again, we have to play a better schedule and beat some teams above our head. Then we can be mentioned in the preseason top 25. Another NCAA run this year would also help.
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Posted: 10/24/2012 6:10 PM
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We certainly have a good team, capable of beating anyone, but to be considered a top 25 team all of sudden is not realistic.


We were a top 25 team in the last poll.

New drinking game: Do a shot every time giacomo complains about the schedule.
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Posted: 10/24/2012 11:04 PM
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We certainly have a good team, capable of beating anyone, but to be considered a top 25 team all of sudden is not realistic.


We were a top 25 team in the last poll.

New drinking game: Do a shot every time giacomo complains about the schedule.


And WHO played division I basketball, you or giacomo? Case closed ................
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Posted: 10/24/2012 11:57 PM
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We certainly have a good team, capable of beating anyone, but to be considered a top 25 team all of sudden is not realistic.


We were a top 25 team in the last poll.

New drinking game: Do a shot every time giacomo complains about the schedule.


And WHO played division I basketball, you or giacomo? Case closed ................

What does that have to do with death via alcohol poisoning?
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Posted: 10/25/2012 2:16 AM
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We certainly have a good team, capable of beating anyone, but to be considered a top 25 team all of sudden is not realistic.


We were a top 25 team in the last poll.

New drinking game: Do a shot every time giacomo complains about the schedule.


And WHO played division I basketball, you or giacomo? Case closed ................


Logical fallacies FTL.
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Posted: 10/25/2012 8:17 AM
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Giacomo - The Quasi-McKinney, forever downplaying our opponents as weak and unimpressive. 
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Posted: 10/25/2012 9:07 AM
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If I recall correctly one of the recent articles about OHIO basketball stated that this year's non-conf was strong enough that if we took care of business all through the season and then slipped up in the MAC Tourney Title game we would actually have a profile good enough for an at-large spot. 
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Posted: 10/25/2012 9:28 AM
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I apparently missed this before my last post in this thread, but keep in mind that this is the coaches poll.  I would fully expect us to be very close to the top 25 in the AP poll, if not in it.

The media should remember us more than the coaches.  Especially considering most of the coaches don't even vote themselves and delegate their ballots to staff members.
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Posted: 10/25/2012 12:54 PM
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I'm not whining about the schedule, I'm just being realistic regarding being ranked. If we make the tourney and make some noise again this year, it will go a long way toward establishing us in that group. However, look at our past 5 years of non-conference games and wins. It's not impressive. It doesn't get us mentioned with the top teams. The MAC has a low power rating, so we get nothing from that association. That doesn't mean we're not a very good tream and we certainly can beat anyone. If we win some games early, we'll be right there.

I looked at Michigan's schedule. It's not impressive. They play Eastern, Western and Central among some other lower teams. However, they play in the Big 10.
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Posted: 10/25/2012 1:19 PM
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Giacomo - The Quasi-McKinney, forever downplaying our opponents as weak and unimpressive. 


Ruck, wouldn't that be the anti-McKinney??  Quasi would mean he approximates me, right?
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Posted: 10/25/2012 1:55 PM
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Fine.  But Quasi is a much cooler word.
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Posted: 10/25/2012 3:19 PM
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giacomo wrote:expand_more
The selection committee always says they look at a team's "body of work". If you apply that standard to our last five years, who have we really played and beaten? We've played a handful of games against top teams in the regular season and have lost each game. Some we were crushed. We've had some nice wins in the NCAA, but so have a lot of teams. We certainly have a good team, capable of beating anyone, but to be considered a top 25 team all of sudden is not realistic.

I'll say it again, we have to play a better schedule and beat some teams above our head. Then we can be mentioned in the preseason top 25. Another NCAA run this year would also help.


People like you are the reason that mids have no chance to get a fair shot.  Why would the last five years have any relevance to this team?  Why would Leon Williams and Company getting blown out at Kansas have any bearing on this team?  Last year's team didn't get blown out of a single game.  Last year's team held its own or better against every big name team that they played.  The fact that we didn't receive a single vote this year has nothing to do with last year's schedule or this year's schedule.   The reason we don't receive votes is because people like you are lazy and only like to see the bright shiny penny.   The fact that Michigan is #5 and we don't get a single vote underscores how friggin lazy people are.   I'm not saying that Michigan isn't good or that we should be ranked in the top 25 but not to get a single vote is absurd.  But when people continue to carry the penis envy attitude that you have I guess it's not surprising.
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Posted: 10/25/2012 3:57 PM
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The fact Marshall got a vote completely wrecks that argument. And what has St. Louis done the last five years? St. Joe's? Drexel? MTSU?
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Posted: 10/25/2012 4:51 PM
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Giacomo - The Quasi-McKinney, forever downplaying our opponents as weak and unimpressive. 


Ruck, wouldn't that be the anti-McKinney??  Quasi would mean he approximates me, right?


Borrowing from Seinfeld, my I suggest "Bizarro-McKinney"?
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Posted: 10/26/2012 12:56 PM
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I don't make the rules. That's just the way it is. Big Ten teams and such are considered to be better than MAC teams and the like, so in a pre-season poll they get the nod. All I'm saying is that if we want to be in that group we have to play that group and win some of those games. If we don't, we fly under the radar until tourney time. I'm not sure where the "penis envy" comment comes from. Is it fair? Maybe not, but that's the way it is.
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Posted: 10/26/2012 3:23 PM
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No, it's not. Look at some of the other teams that got votes.
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Posted: 10/26/2012 5:40 PM
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Our record against teams that made the NCAA last year should provide the bona fides that Giacomo wants.  What was it last year?  I know that it was at least 2-1.
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Posted: 10/27/2012 2:02 AM
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Our record against teams that made the NCAA last year should provide the bona fides that Giacomo wants.  What was it last year?  I know that it was at least 2-1.
4-2 (Lamar, Louisville, UNC-Asheville).
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