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Posted: 1/30/2013 9:31 AM
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Here is my take on this.  High school ball is basically irrelevant today.  For those who live in rural communities like Athens County, Scioto County, Noble County and the like, it's cheap entertainment on a Friday night to support the local kids and relive the glory days but when is the last time Bobby Knight showed up in your gym to see Damon Bailey.  Those days are long gone.  It's now about AAU summer tournaments with for hire players starting at the age of 12.  The real college teams play during prime time not during oatmeal time.  The very little money we get from TV isn't worth prostituting the program so a coach can say we played on TV x number of times last year.  One of these days an AD will have the nerve to say, we ain't doing this any more.


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HIgh School sports in this state ...including football are still the things that grade schoolers attend and grab autographs from the local heroes and where college coaches and assistants show up during open recruiting periods.

I went to several games in Ohio this year where the gym was packed to see teams like Bloom Carrol or Pick Central play.....and I saw very few ex hippie era balding fat men reliving their glory days. I saw pep bands and cheerleaders doing the same things we did and had to stand at several games because there were no seats left in the lower or upper bowls.

With regard to recruiting, I do not disagree that the summer tourneys are huge in the process but I am not saying HS ball is irrelevant as I still see Brad Stevens, TOm Crean, and a slew of assts at local games, I know Rhodes still heads out on thursday and heads for places like Baltimore,  Va,, NY, Ohio, from PGH and gets back way late on Friday night after a game where he was looking at kids seen in the summmer that needs to be seen in their hometown setting. FYI you are a little out of touch with regrd to recruiting. Head Coaches not named Crean, Stevens or Groce rarely are directly involved in teh recruiting process. It is done by and large by the assts. and has been for a decode plus.

As for who plays on Friday....usually it is pretty difficult to find a game on Friday unless you are a fan of the Horizon league. Very few colleges in Indiana are dumb enough to set time opposite local HS teams even to the point where they will avoid a saturday night game if the local tema is playing. I dont see a ton of Friday offerings on First Row, ESPN or the likes as opposed to Saturday or weeknights.

Pronouncing HS sports as dead just tells me you have crossed that barrier from involved  and aware to throwing out opinions from the easy chair.  Feet on the ground say that while waning  and competing for an ever shrinking peice of the dixcretionary entertainment dollar communities still get out and support their local teams....especially if they are winning. HS sports are sitll one of the best entertainment dollars you will ever spend. Games for the sake of the sport. SOrry ALan, I usually just pass over most of your stuff these days but my weekly experience in plaecs from urban,  Suburban and rural Indiana, Illinois and Ohio are in oppostion to what I see standing on an end line looking for a seat most nights. .


Borna what I left out of the first sentence were the words "for most recruiting purposes."  There are gyms packed everywhere particularly in your home state but the vast majority of recruiting takes place on the AAU circuit.  The same can be said for volleyball - the coaches chase the kids on the club tournament circuit.  
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Borna what I left out of the first sentence were the words "for most recruiting purposes."  There are gyms packed everywhere particularly in your home state but the vast majority of recruiting takes place on the AAU circuit.  The same can be said for volleyball - the coaches chase the kids on the club tournament circuit.  


So you'd object to an OHIO volleyball game being moved to 11am on a saturday to fit into an ESPNU broadcast too?
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Borna what I left out of the first sentence were the words "for most recruiting purposes."  There are gyms packed everywhere particularly in your home state but the vast majority of recruiting takes place on the AAU circuit.  The same can be said for volleyball - the coaches chase the kids on the club tournament circuit.  


So you'd object to an OHIO volleyball game being moved to 11am on a saturday to fit into an ESPNU broadcast too?


Volleyball already plays on Saturday mornings many times throughout the year.  At this point I'll take 69's advice - TV won and we lost so time to move on.  I'm just glad that I live here in town and have but a 5 minute drive to the Convo as opposed to my friends in Toledo who are now leaving their house at 6:30 am to get here for an 11:00 game.
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Borna what I left out of the first sentence were the words "for most recruiting purposes."  There are gyms packed everywhere particularly in your home state but the vast majority of recruiting takes place on the AAU circuit.  The same can be said for volleyball - the coaches chase the kids on the club tournament circuit.  


So you'd object to an OHIO volleyball game being moved to 11am on a saturday to fit into an ESPNU broadcast too?


Volleyball already plays on Saturday mornings many times throughout the year.  At this point I'll take 69's advice - TV won and we lost so time to move on.  I'm just glad that I live here in town and have but a 5 minute drive to the Convo as opposed to my friends in Toledo who are now leaving their house at 6:30 am to get here for an 11:00 game.


You should be hosting those friends on Friday night and have a couple cocktails or a bottle of wine when they arrive late. 

So far the best thing I've read in this, and can be learned from this was that Ohio Athletics needs to list all of the games that are these "21 day wildcard" games as TBA on the schedule.
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Sorry to hijack the hijack of this thread but in terms of relevancy of HS basketball I just want to note that Athens High School seems to be going into a very relevant period of athletic success. The football team reached unprecedented levels this fall and the Varsity boys and girls Varsity basketball teams currently sit at 13-2 and 16-2 respectively. The girls are led by a sophomore pg who does it all a la DJ, and the boys have 2 freshmen who not only start but quite frankly dominate. They played the AAU circuit for years and have had a great deal of success there too. My son plays on the freshmen team and played with these 2 in middle school and so I've been watching their games for years (one of them and my son also grew up playing on Sundays at Ping while their old-man fathers balled on an adjacent court, the old Grover noon group having had to switch venues with the Grover remodel -- man do I miss Grover for hoops). In addition to these 2 freshman varsity starters Athens has talented sophomores starting. Not that I've been following AHS closely for decades, but I don't remember such promise in the basketball program since Steve Bruning was a freshman in 1979. Steve went on to play at OU, I think maybe the only local kid to play on scholarship for the Bobcats.

And in less of a hijack, word has been that the girls' pg has put some recruiters in the seats already.
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Posted: 1/31/2013 12:12 AM
I'll throw out an off-topic reply to where you can find Friday night college hoops in my area -- the venerable Ivy League.

I may throw an email out to Schaus' office regarding the TBA designation.  I think that's the most productive thing we've come up with here.
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Posted: 1/31/2013 11:18 AM
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Sorry to hijack the hijack of this thread but in terms of relevancy of HS basketball I just want to note that Athens High School seems to be going into a very relevant period of athletic success. The football team reached unprecedented levels this fall and the Varsity boys and girls Varsity basketball teams currently sit at 13-2 and 16-2 respectively. And in less of a hijack, word has been that the girls' pg has put some recruiters in the seats already.


Glad to see the loccal team doing well. Got to see some of those kids really really early and wondered how kaliq and the Saltzman boy were doing. Closest I got to Athens this year was seeing Logan on a Friday night. Athens plays in a funny league for the size school they are. WOuld think they would go up 33 or 35 a bit more often to get some real comp (not taking away from the locals but it seems if you want to be the best you have to find a way to play the best lest you get killed come tourney time) . Funny how winning and talent will be found by scouts and recruiters no matter where it is. Thanks for the hijack.
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Sorry to hijack the hijack of this thread but in terms of relevancy of HS basketball I just want to note that Athens High School seems to be going into a very relevant period of athletic success. The football team reached unprecedented levels this fall and the Varsity boys and girls Varsity basketball teams currently sit at 13-2 and 16-2 respectively. And in less of a hijack, word has been that the girls' pg has put some recruiters in the seats already.


Glad to see the loccal team doing well. Got to see some of those kids really really early and wondered how kaliq and the Saltzman boy were doing. Closest I got to Athens this year was seeing Logan on a Friday night. Athens plays in a funny league for the size school they are. WOuld think they would go up 33 or 35 a bit more often to get some real comp (not taking away from the locals but it seems if you want to be the best you have to find a way to play the best lest you get killed come tourney time) . Funny how winning and talent will be found by scouts and recruiters no matter where it is. Thanks for the hijack.


I don't know how far in advance AHS has to set their schedules but I would guess they will push to have some bigger non-conference games in the coming years.  Z is doing great, as is his AAU teammate and fellow freshman Ibi.  They, along with the record-setting QB (and starting pg as a freshman last year) Joey B have been leading the team all year.  Kaliq is a JV-V swing player but gets most of his time on JV and has been doing well.  Let me know if you're ever in town a day early for a Saturday 'Cats game and want to check out the Bulldogs.  I'd also like to hear about your trip and how Tommy is adjusting to his new team.

Some time ago on BA you mentioned a quality shooting instructor just down route 56 from Athens -- that's who the awesome AHS girls PG has been working with for a number of years.
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Posted: 1/31/2013 3:49 PM
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Sorry to hijack the hijack of this thread but in terms of relevancy of HS basketball I just want to note that Athens High School seems to be going into a very relevant period of athletic success. The football team reached unprecedented levels this fall and the Varsity boys and girls Varsity basketball teams currently sit at 13-2 and 16-2 respectively. And in less of a hijack, word has been that the girls' pg has put some recruiters in the seats already.


Glad to see the loccal team doing well. Got to see some of those kids really really early and wondered how kaliq and the Saltzman boy were doing. Closest I got to Athens this year was seeing Logan on a Friday night. Athens plays in a funny league for the size school they are. WOuld think they would go up 33 or 35 a bit more often to get some real comp (not taking away from the locals but it seems if you want to be the best you have to find a way to play the best lest you get killed come tourney time) . Funny how winning and talent will be found by scouts and recruiters no matter where it is. Thanks for the hijack.


Athens used to be in the SEOAL with teams like Logan, Jackson, Gallia, Marietta, and Warren and for a very short time, Chillicothe, Portsmouth and Zanesville.  These were mostly D 2 and 3 schools.  Several years ago they joined the Tri Valley Conference which is made up of D 3, 4, 5 and 6 schools.  For the records of football and basketball it was a good move.  For sports such as soccer, volleyball, tennis, golf and wrestling, it was not a very good move.  Athens used to have a varsity, jv and freshman volleyball team.  Now they don't have 20 girls on the team period.
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Posted: 1/31/2013 4:12 PM
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Sorry to hijack the hijack of this thread but in terms of relevancy of HS basketball I just want to note that Athens High School seems to be going into a very relevant period of athletic success. The football team reached unprecedented levels this fall and the Varsity boys and girls Varsity basketball teams currently sit at 13-2 and 16-2 respectively. And in less of a hijack, word has been that the girls' pg has put some recruiters in the seats already.


Glad to see the loccal team doing well. Got to see some of those kids really really early and wondered how kaliq and the Saltzman boy were doing. Closest I got to Athens this year was seeing Logan on a Friday night. Athens plays in a funny league for the size school they are. WOuld think they would go up 33 or 35 a bit more often to get some real comp (not taking away from the locals but it seems if you want to be the best you have to find a way to play the best lest you get killed come tourney time) . Funny how winning and talent will be found by scouts and recruiters no matter where it is. Thanks for the hijack.


Athens used to be in the SEOAL with teams like Logan, Jackson, Gallia, Marietta, and Warren and for a very short time, Chillicothe, Portsmouth and Zanesville.  These were mostly D 2 and 3 schools.  Several years ago they joined the Tri Valley Conference which is made up of D 3, 4, 5 and 6 schools.  For the records of football and basketball it was a good move.  For sports such as soccer, volleyball, tennis, golf and wrestling, it was not a very good move.  Athens used to have a varsity, jv and freshman volleyball team.  Now they don't have 20 girls on the team period.


Well, for the record, the Athens boys varsity has played Logan, Jackson (twice), Gallia and Warren this year and are 4-1 in those games.  They lost by 3 to Warren, I was at the game and quite frankly Athens was the better team.  So your inference that Athens' record is good because it plays weak competition doesn't hold when they are still beating opponents from the SEOAL.
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Posted: 1/31/2013 4:29 PM
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Sorry to hijack the hijack of this thread but in terms of relevancy of HS basketball I just want to note that Athens High School seems to be going into a very relevant period of athletic success. The football team reached unprecedented levels this fall and the Varsity boys and girls Varsity basketball teams currently sit at 13-2 and 16-2 respectively. And in less of a hijack, word has been that the girls' pg has put some recruiters in the seats already.


Glad to see the loccal team doing well. Got to see some of those kids really really early and wondered how kaliq and the Saltzman boy were doing. Closest I got to Athens this year was seeing Logan on a Friday night. Athens plays in a funny league for the size school they are. WOuld think they would go up 33 or 35 a bit more often to get some real comp (not taking away from the locals but it seems if you want to be the best you have to find a way to play the best lest you get killed come tourney time) . Funny how winning and talent will be found by scouts and recruiters no matter where it is. Thanks for the hijack.


Athens used to be in the SEOAL with teams like Logan, Jackson, Gallia, Marietta, and Warren and for a very short time, Chillicothe, Portsmouth and Zanesville.  These were mostly D 2 and 3 schools.  Several years ago they joined the Tri Valley Conference which is made up of D 3, 4, 5 and 6 schools.  For the records of football and basketball it was a good move.  For sports such as soccer, volleyball, tennis, golf and wrestling, it was not a very good move.  Athens used to have a varsity, jv and freshman volleyball team.  Now they don't have 20 girls on the team period.


Well, for the record, the Athens boys varsity has played Logan, Jackson (twice), Gallia and Warren this year and are 4-1 in those games.  They lost by 3 to Warren, I was at the game and quite frankly Athens was the better team.  So your inference that Athens' record is good because it plays weak competition doesn't hold when they are still beating opponents from the SEOAL.


The inference was yours not mine.  Athens should have stayed in the SEOAL.  All schools have up periods and down periods.  Just look at Logan.  For years they dominated the SEOAL in many sports and now they are down.  Athens is experiencing an up period right now but needs to be in a league with the same size schools.  Years ago the principal at Athens High had a great plan for a three division 18 team conference which included the SEOAL and TVC.  That model would make perfect sense today.
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Sorry to hijack the hijack of this thread but in terms of relevancy of HS basketball I just want to note that Athens High School seems to be going into a very relevant period of athletic success. The football team reached unprecedented levels this fall and the Varsity boys and girls Varsity basketball teams currently sit at 13-2 and 16-2 respectively. And in less of a hijack, word has been that the girls' pg has put some recruiters in the seats already.


Glad to see the loccal team doing well. Got to see some of those kids really really early and wondered how kaliq and the Saltzman boy were doing. Closest I got to Athens this year was seeing Logan on a Friday night. Athens plays in a funny league for the size school they are. WOuld think they would go up 33 or 35 a bit more often to get some real comp (not taking away from the locals but it seems if you want to be the best you have to find a way to play the best lest you get killed come tourney time) . Funny how winning and talent will be found by scouts and recruiters no matter where it is. Thanks for the hijack.


Athens used to be in the SEOAL with teams like Logan, Jackson, Gallia, Marietta, and Warren and for a very short time, Chillicothe, Portsmouth and Zanesville.  These were mostly D 2 and 3 schools.  Several years ago they joined the Tri Valley Conference which is made up of D 3, 4, 5 and 6 schools.  For the records of football and basketball it was a good move.  For sports such as soccer, volleyball, tennis, golf and wrestling, it was not a very good move.  Athens used to have a varsity, jv and freshman volleyball team.  Now they don't have 20 girls on the team period.


Well, for the record, the Athens boys varsity has played Logan, Jackson (twice), Gallia and Warren this year and are 4-1 in those games.  They lost by 3 to Warren, I was at the game and quite frankly Athens was the better team.  So your inference that Athens' record is good because it plays weak competition doesn't hold when they are still beating opponents from the SEOAL.


The inference was yours not mine.  Athens should have stayed in the SEOAL.  All schools have up periods and down periods.  Just look at Logan.  For years they dominated the SEOAL in many sports and now they are down.  Athens is experiencing an up period right now but needs to be in a league with the same size schools.  Years ago the principal at Athens High had a great plan for a three division 18 team conference which included the SEOAL and TVC.  That model would make perfect sense today.


It's tough in rural areas to come up with conferences that are good for everyone. To find real equal matches for school size, you've got to travel farther. Otherwise, there's going to be a discrepancy. Upper Sandusky left the league it was affiliated with for more than 65 years because it had become the smallest school in the league, the travel was pretty distant and it had trouble competing with the bigger schools on a regular basis. It joined another league where it became the biggest school, the travel is much better and Upper Sandusky competes competes for league titles in almost everything. However, it didn't take long for some of the smaller schools to decide they didn't like having Upper in the league and now it's disbanding and Upper is going to have to join a new league yet again. I think Upper will be more in the middle as far as size, but the travel will become worse again.

Hopefully for Athens' sake, the other schools don't react to Athens' success by deciding Athens wasn't a good fit for the league afterall.
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Sorry to hijack the hijack of this thread but in terms of relevancy of HS basketball I just want to note that Athens High School seems to be going into a very relevant period of athletic success. The football team reached unprecedented levels this fall and the Varsity boys and girls Varsity basketball teams currently sit at 13-2 and 16-2 respectively. And in less of a hijack, word has been that the girls' pg has put some recruiters in the seats already.


Glad to see the loccal team doing well. Got to see some of those kids really really early and wondered how kaliq and the Saltzman boy were doing. Closest I got to Athens this year was seeing Logan on a Friday night. Athens plays in a funny league for the size school they are. WOuld think they would go up 33 or 35 a bit more often to get some real comp (not taking away from the locals but it seems if you want to be the best you have to find a way to play the best lest you get killed come tourney time) . Funny how winning and talent will be found by scouts and recruiters no matter where it is. Thanks for the hijack.


Athens used to be in the SEOAL with teams like Logan, Jackson, Gallia, Marietta, and Warren and for a very short time, Chillicothe, Portsmouth and Zanesville.  These were mostly D 2 and 3 schools.  Several years ago they joined the Tri Valley Conference which is made up of D 3, 4, 5 and 6 schools.  For the records of football and basketball it was a good move.  For sports such as soccer, volleyball, tennis, golf and wrestling, it was not a very good move.  Athens used to have a varsity, jv and freshman volleyball team.  Now they don't have 20 girls on the team period.


Well, for the record, the Athens boys varsity has played Logan, Jackson (twice), Gallia and Warren this year and are 4-1 in those games.  They lost by 3 to Warren, I was at the game and quite frankly Athens was the better team.  So your inference that Athens' record is good because it plays weak competition doesn't hold when they are still beating opponents from the SEOAL.


The inference was yours not mine.  Athens should have stayed in the SEOAL.  All schools have up periods and down periods.  Just look at Logan.  For years they dominated the SEOAL in many sports and now they are down.  Athens is experiencing an up period right now but needs to be in a league with the same size schools.  Years ago the principal at Athens High had a great plan for a three division 18 team conference which included the SEOAL and TVC.  That model would make perfect sense today.


MY inference?  I'm confused.  Your line "For the records of football and basketball it was a good move" does not infer that these teams records are better because they are playing lesser competition?  I just wanted to point out that they are not only beating the TVC schools, they are also beating SEOAL schools.
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Posted: 1/31/2013 9:00 PM
I was thinking the majority of this thread should get moved to a new post about AHS sports - but then again it is funny - how irrelevant the Can't game became...........

 Their trollers on here will be impressed...........
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I was thinking the majority of this thread should get moved to a new post about AHS sports - but then again it is funny - how irrelevant the Can't game became...........

 Their trollers on here will be impressed...........


Well, yea, sorry about that.  I did admit to hijacking the hijack.  In my weak defense this thread was not about the Kent game per se, but about it being at 11am and that's when the HS stuff got started.
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Borna what I left out of the first sentence were the words "for most recruiting purposes."  There are gyms packed everywhere particularly in your home state but the vast majority of recruiting takes place on the AAU circuit.  The same can be said for volleyball - the coaches chase the kids on the club tournament circuit.  


So you'd object to an OHIO volleyball game being moved to 11am on a saturday to fit into an ESPNU broadcast too?


Volleyball already plays on Saturday mornings many times throughout the year.  At this point I'll take 69's advice - TV won and we lost so time to move on.  I'm just glad that I live here in town and have but a 5 minute drive to the Convo as opposed to my friends in Toledo who are now leaving their house at 6:30 am to get here for an 11:00 game.


Living as I do in North Canton and, absent a blizzard, planning to attend the Kent game, I like the 11 a.m. start.  Yes, it means getting on I-77 early, but it also means not having to drive home on darkened - and possibly snow-covered - roads with deer deciding to cross at inopportune times. 
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Mike, your optimism and idealistic reasoning is completely out of line for this thread.
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Mike--I know that you're a young man just starting your career (I hope that his writing novels thing works out for you!) but you'll never get anywhere unless you complain about most things most of the time.

A proper atitude is invaluable.
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Okay, Pete and Monroe, I will work on my attitude and try to absorb lessons you provide.  Of course, I'm a chronically slow learner so please be patient. 

As for being a young man, if I knew how to copy a photo from my email acct and paste it hear, you could see me as a grandpa - with granddaughter Elsie, now 3.





 
 
 
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Okay, Pete and Monroe, I will work on my attitude and try to absorb lessons you provide.  Of course, I'm a chronically slow learner so please be patient. 

As for being a young man, if I knew how to copy a photo from my email acct and paste it hear, you could see me as a grandpa - with granddaughter Elsie, now 3.
 



Fantastic, another candidate for Storming The Court!
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You want to buy grandpa a beer for a birthday present?

How about a Zip beating instead?
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Okay, Pete and Monroe, I will work on my attitude and try to absorb lessons you provide.  Of course, I'm a chronically slow learner so please be patient. 

As for being a young man, if I knew how to copy a photo from my email acct and paste it hear, you could see me as a grandpa - with granddaughter Elsie, now 3.
 



Fantastic, another candidate for Storming The Court!


Ahem, eiher you had your tongue in cheek when making your comment or didn't realize that that's where Pete, Monroe and I had ours...
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Posted: 2/11/2013 1:55 PM
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2)  I hope athletics puts together a creative promotion for this game.  How about free McDonald's breakfast to the first 3,000 students who show up wearing pajama pants or something?  I don't really care, but something to get students out of bed and into the Convo would be nice. 


Someone in promotions is reading the ol' BobcatAttack!

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