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Posted: 1/29/2013 12:20 AM
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Temple has a game at 11:00 AM on ESPNU so it is not just the MAC that is doing this. I don't see the big deal.


How many people drive an hour to go to a Temple BBall game? In friggin' Philly, nearly 6M metro population, and only avg 8K per game................They are a "TV" program....................

EDIT - Well, I guess they could have worse traffic affecting their drive time than Nelsonville (or that other pesky state trooper over by Peebles coming in from Cincy)..................


I can't wait till the by-pass is done around Nelsonville. It's sad to see what has happened to the town since the flood. Also, I live in Pickerington along I-70, and I can get to Athens in 1 hour and 5 minutes. Once the by-pass is done and all the lights are taken out along US-33 I bet I could get their in about 45-50 minutes, and easily an hour/hour 5 minutes from Columbus airport. 
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Posted: 1/29/2013 12:31 AM
I am truly impressed by the bad thinking here.  Keep it up.  Good job.

There's no doubt that getting up to watch the game on national TV is a) going to attract only as many eyeballs as would otherwise watch on the 'net and b) ruin your day because, hey, you have the rest of it to do all your stuff and there is nothing NOTHING better than Bobcat ball first think in the morning.

Why don't you gutless charlatans go root for EMU or 'kron.  or ballet.



Deal with it.
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Posted: 1/29/2013 1:03 AM
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Deal with it.


Uh - we will - be actually at the game that is......................... (wt?)

Maybe I can plug my Iphone into the PA system and we can annoy Can't with the "Chimes" from new posts on BA chat for those who the start time just makes it not realistic to be able to drive to Athens and get there in time, who just stroll over to their PC and get online a couple minutes before game start (just have to remember to hit mute when we have the ball..........).

Maybe this would be good intro tune to pump the place up:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvPr9YV7-Xw

Very Seriously though - My Biggest concern is the players - this is just outta whack time for basketball (after about 3rd grade anyway). Since a road game for Can't, hopefully that is more an issue for them. 
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Posted: 1/29/2013 1:17 AM
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1/19 ESPNU VMI vs. Coastal Carolina  0.1 rating (94K households)
1/12 ESPN2 Georgetown vs. St. John's  0.1 rating (197K households)


A 0.1 rating...0.1?? Are you serious??

The fact that we're selling out to ESPN for a 0.1 rating is sad to say the least. We have absolutely sold our soul to TV. Give me a great atmosphere in the Convo with 10K screaming fans over an 11:00 am game watched by maybe 100K nationwide.


I wonder how many of that whopping 0.1 are already fans of the program, would have watched online, or whatever TV channel (i.e. STO), or Don't come to Athens (or down the street to the Convo) because it is on ESPN?????
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Posted: 1/29/2013 7:28 AM
RSBobcat wrote:expand_more
1/19 ESPNU VMI vs. Coastal Carolina  0.1 rating (94K households)
1/12 ESPN2 Georgetown vs. St. John's  0.1 rating (197K households)


A 0.1 rating...0.1?? Are you serious??

The fact that we're selling out to ESPN for a 0.1 rating is sad to say the least. We have absolutely sold our soul to TV. Give me a great atmosphere in the Convo with 10K screaming fans over an 11:00 am game watched by maybe 100K nationwide.


I wonder how many of that whopping 0.1 are already fans of the program, would have watched online, or whatever TV channel (i.e. STO), or Don't come to Athens (or down the street to the Convo) because it is on ESPN?????


I don't think you guys know how cable ratings work. They are always way lower than broadcast ratings. A 0.1 on cable during the daytime really isn't that bad. If you look at that link, the 11AM games outperformed some of the afternoon ESPNU games.
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Posted: 1/29/2013 10:04 AM
I still don't understand what is so hard about getting out of bed by 11:00.  Ohio State football games frequently start at noon.  Not only are the actual OSU students up early for those games, students on our campus are, too.  OU basketball should be more than a novelty item at this point to those on campus.  I could go to bed at 4:00 AM the night before and still make it easily from Parkersburg in time for tipoff because I want to be there.

This is more of an annoyance for the out of town crowd than the students.  Many of my college roommates/friends were coming in to party during the day, go to the game, then crash at the OU Inn Saturday night.  I'm not sure if they will make it now since they are coming from Cincinnati and Dayton.  I feel bad for them because the time switch could ruin their weekend plans. 

For some reason, I could justify the conference whoring themselves out for TV if the game was on ESPN or ESPN2.  ESPNU is still an after thought for me when looking for something on TV to watch.  Our cable system has the original two stations on consecutive channels, but the U is bulked in with the Sports Tier in the 500's.  Sometimes I forget it is even there. 
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Posted: 1/29/2013 10:06 AM
RSBobcat wrote:expand_more
1/19 ESPNU VMI vs. Coastal Carolina  0.1 rating (94K households)
1/12 ESPN2 Georgetown vs. St. John's  0.1 rating (197K households)


A 0.1 rating...0.1?? Are you serious??

The fact that we're selling out to ESPN for a 0.1 rating is sad to say the least. We have absolutely sold our soul to TV. Give me a great atmosphere in the Convo with 10K screaming fans over an 11:00 am game watched by maybe 100K nationwide.


I wonder how many of that whopping 0.1 are already fans of the program, would have watched online, or whatever TV channel (i.e. STO), or Don't come to Athens (or down the street to the Convo) because it is on ESPN?????


RSBobcat,  I can see where you are coming from, but your argument has no true hold.  If we ever want to build a program we have to do so with TV money and national exposure.  The money we get from the ESPN contract is 1,000 times larger than the gate for the number of fans who won't be at this game.  Fans who understand the business side and the value this brings to OU, will be happy about being on TV...Others who think they know it all will scream bloody murder.
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Posted: 1/29/2013 10:21 AM
Just to note, Sibs weekend is the weekend of the BG game. So that will draw a crowd. This hurts because it was the black out game and a game v. Kent. Crowd will be a bit smaller. Easily 5,00 or 6,000, but no the 9k or 10k you would expect for a Saturday Kent game with a blackout and other promotions. I am sure something will be put together. Last year with Ball State they did something and got a solid crowd.

I don't care much for 11 AM ESPN though. Nobody is watching ESPNU that early unless they don't change it to ESPN to stick with Gameday. Either way, it is good for the program though. 
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Posted: 1/29/2013 11:43 AM
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For some reason, I could justify the conference whoring themselves out for TV if the game was on ESPN or ESPN2.  ESPNU is still an after thought for me when looking for something on TV to watch.  Our cable system has the original two stations on consecutive channels, but the U is bulked in with the Sports Tier in the 500's.  Sometimes I forget it is even there. 


Here in Pittsburgh all the HD sports channels are grouped together on Comcast. ESPN is 850, ESPN2 is 851 and ESPNU is 852. I'm pretty sure it was grouped similarly with Time Warner in Athens.
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Posted: 1/29/2013 11:53 AM
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1/19 ESPNU VMI vs. Coastal Carolina  0.1 rating (94K households)
1/12 ESPN2 Georgetown vs. St. John's  0.1 rating (197K households)


A 0.1 rating...0.1?? Are you serious??

The fact that we're selling out to ESPN for a 0.1 rating is sad to say the least. We have absolutely sold our soul to TV. Give me a great atmosphere in the Convo with 10K screaming fans over an 11:00 am game watched by maybe 100K nationwide.


I wonder how many of that whopping 0.1 are already fans of the program, would have watched online, or whatever TV channel (i.e. STO), or Don't come to Athens (or down the street to the Convo) because it is on ESPN?????


RSBobcat,  I can see where you are coming from, but your argument has no true hold.  If we ever want to build a program we have to do so with TV money and national exposure.  The money we get from the ESPN contract is 1,000 times larger than the gate for the number of fans who won't be at this game.  Fans who understand the business side and the value this brings to OU, will be happy about being on TV...Others who think they know it all will scream bloody murder.


+1. In addition to the ESPN contract money, there's a good amount of "earned media" value that comes from having the game broadcast nationally. For example, our commercial will be show during the game. ESPN will publicize our game during Friday night's games and during Saturday morning programming. Our score will be displayed on ESPN's Top 25 scoreboard page under the "Other games on the ESPN family of networks" section. All of this helps build our brand. If it means sacrificing a thousand or two fans in the stands, I'm ok with that because what we gain far exceeds what lose by playing at an earlier time.
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Posted: 1/29/2013 12:58 PM
RSBobcat wrote:expand_more
Temple has a game at 11:00 AM on ESPNU so it is not just the MAC that is doing this. I don't see the big deal.

How many people drive an hour to go to a Temple BBall game? In friggin' Philly, nearly 6M metro population, and only avg 8K per game................They are a "TV" program....................


The game is in Dayton, but that's not the point. People are bashing the MAC for doing this. I was just showing that other conferences do this also, including the A-10 and the Big East, and probably others. This week it's Cincinnati at Seton Hall.
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Posted: 1/29/2013 1:14 PM
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People are bashing the MAC for doing this. I was just showing that other conferences do this also, including the A-10 and the Big East, and probably others. This week it's Cincinnati at Seton Hall.


Yeah.  Well.... True.....  But, doesn't mean I have to like it..... 
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Posted: 1/29/2013 1:52 PM
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I think the guess that this game will draw 6,000 at 11am vs. closer to 10,000 at 7pm tells the story.  It's reasonable to assume attendance will drop 25-40% with an 11am tip vs.a 7pm.
I really doubt it would be that dramatic.  There will be some who can come at 11 that wouldn't have at 7, there will be some the opposite way.  There are students who will show up if they know a game is on TV and tell their family to look for them on TV -- it does generate hype in that regard.  How many students who are still sleeping off their Friday hangover at 11am would be unwilling to postpone getting ready for their Saturday night partying until after 9pm?  Who knows.

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11 A.M. oh lordy, I hope i'm out of bed in time. We couldn't at least get ESPN2? I don't know how much more this will get us coverage as I bet people in California are just dying to see us play at 8 in the morning....
These time slots are allocated well prior to the beginning of the season, so, no, we couldn't get ESPN2.  This time slot has been marked for a MAC game on this network all season.  We really only have 3 shots at ESPN2 all season on our own merit (not playing a power-conference team OOC) -- Bracketbuster, 7pm on March 8 (which has been Akron v. Kent for several years), and the Championship game.

What was silly by our athletic department was posting a start time instead of leaving games with the potential to be picked up as "TBA".  The people I feel for are ones like Oz, who had plans made to attend under the impression that the tip time was set in stone at 7pm, when in fact it never was.

I can also tell you right now that our game on March 2 at Bowling Green, which is listed for 2pm, could move to either noon or 6pm for STO, and our game against Miami could be played March 8 on ESPN2 at 7pm, or March 9th at noon, 2pm, or 4pm for STO (despite the fact that our site lists the Saturday version at 2pm).

Just like our Kent State game being moved to 6pm, nobody bothered to change our website until the last minute, leading to confusion.  At least if you leave the time TBA until it is truly announced, people will keep checking back instead of relying on faulty information.

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I got hooked on the Syracuse/Nova 11am game on ESPNU Saturday, and glad I did.  It turned out to be a great game.  It's a good slot, and with the bottom feeders in the MAC this year we need to accomodate ESPN/STO to get the better teams televised as much as possible.
The interesting thing about this slot is that you're the only game in town for the first hour.  If you play as competitive and entertaining a first half as we did against Kent Saturday, there will be some folks who stick around for the second half who otherwise wouldn't have if the game started at noon head-to-head with the power conference games.
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I know most of you overlook this because you still live in the Eastern Time Zone, but for me this is now a 10am tip.  9am for Mountain time, and 8am Pacific.

This makes it hard on alumni, but also if the idea is to get exposure maybe we shouldn't be playing games when half the country is still in bed.
Big Ten football kicks off at 9am Pacific every week. Power conference basketball does, as well. Does it hurt their exposure that much?
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1/19 ESPNU VMI vs. Coastal Carolina  0.1 rating (94K households)
1/12 ESPN2 Georgetown vs. St. John's  0.1 rating (197K households)


A 0.1 rating...0.1?? Are you serious??

The fact that we're selling out to ESPN for a 0.1 rating is sad to say the least. We have absolutely sold our soul to TV. Give me a great atmosphere in the Convo with 10K screaming fans over an 11:00 am game watched by maybe 100K nationwide.


I wonder how many of that whopping 0.1 are already fans of the program, would have watched online, or whatever TV channel (i.e. STO), or Don't come to Athens (or down the street to the Convo) because it is on ESPN?????


I don't think you guys know how cable ratings work. They are always way lower than broadcast ratings. A 0.1 on cable during the daytime really isn't that bad. If you look at that link, the 11AM games outperformed some of the afternoon ESPNU games.
Just quoting this as a +1 -- .1 is quite a decent rating for a cable network that isn't on in every home.  Also, if you look at the link Ted posted, you'll find that despite the difference in your mind between 2 and U, the ratings on Saturday aren't that different.  The big drop-off is ESPN/CBS to everything else.
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Posted: 1/29/2013 2:40 PM
Great post Anorris.  Count me as one of the disappointed ones, but your point about making games listed as TBA until the 21 wildcard is announced is spot on.  My plans (and Ozcat's) wouldn't have been a disappointment if this were the case.  OUAD will hopefully treat this as a learning experience and use the TBA on the appropriate games.
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Posted: 1/29/2013 2:50 PM
I am a planner...I don't like changing schedules.  I have no problems with having an 11 am game to accomodate ESPN...I just have a problem with it previously reported as a 7 pm tip  that changes 3 weeks prior.  This change doesn't bother me either way, but the Akron game last year did big time...and the still to be determined Miami game does (though at least they are upfront about that one being undetermined).

I guess I just wish TV could make up their minds earlier.
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Posted: 1/29/2013 3:22 PM
I still think this move is garbage, but less so than earlier, only because my Louisville contingent is now driving up to Columbus Friday evening to make it to Athens the next morning. 

I understand we get money from ESPN, but how much?  I'd assume we split it 12 ways, and if 2,500 less people pay at the gate, I bet the difference is negligble.  And what does having ~100,000 people from all over the country watching do for our program?  Does it get us an at-large bid?  I'd rather have an extra 2,500 bodies in the Convo making noise and supporting OUr boys firsthand.

Duke has an awesome homecourt advantage in Cameron because it's full of yelling fans, not because they're consistently on ESPN.

Again, I hope athletics throws together an enticing promotion that can get the students out of bed.  I'd really like to still see 8,500 - 10,000 at this one.
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Posted: 1/29/2013 3:30 PM
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  Duke has an awesome homecourt advantage in Cameron because it's full of yelling fans, not because they're consistently on ESPN.


And they would show up at 2:00 a.m. if that was the game time (especially since they are already there camping out). 

Appreciate your pain re: friends coming in.  Anytime we can get on TV - the better.  As suggested above, "TBD" is the way to go - or at least say "subject to change" - NFL schedules have that for the flex games.
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Posted: 1/29/2013 4:37 PM
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For some reason, I could justify the conference whoring themselves out for TV if the game was on ESPN or ESPN2.  ESPNU is still an after thought for me when looking for something on TV to watch.  Our cable system has the original two stations on consecutive channels, but the U is bulked in with the Sports Tier in the 500's.  Sometimes I forget it is even there. 


Thats interesting, here (in Buffalo, time warner cable), the channel lineup is:
725 - ESPNU
726 - ESPN
727 - ESPN2

and that is right in the heart of the HD-cable channels (flanked by TBS, TNT, and the channel that shows the home Sabers games).
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Posted: 1/29/2013 9:38 PM
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I still think this move is garbage, but less so than earlier, only because my Louisville contingent is now driving up to Columbus Friday evening to make it to Athens the next morning. 

I understand we get money from ESPN, but how much?  I'd assume we split it 12 ways, and if 2,500 less people pay at the gate, I bet the difference is negligble.  And what does having ~100,000 people from all over the country watching do for our program?  Does it get us an at-large bid?  I'd rather have an extra 2,500 bodies in the Convo making noise and supporting OUr boys firsthand.

Duke has an awesome homecourt advantage in Cameron because it's full of yelling fans, not because they're consistently on ESPN.

Again, I hope athletics throws together an enticing promotion that can get the students out of bed.  I'd really like to still see 8,500 - 10,000 at this one.


This ^

The extra exposure benefit likely comes more from highlights thru the rest of the day much more so than the exposure at 11:00 AM EST. But - it still sucks.
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Posted: 1/29/2013 10:22 PM
Here is my take on this.  High school ball is basically irrelevant today.  For those who live in rural communities like Athens County, Scioto County, Noble County and the like, it's cheap entertainment on a Friday night to support the local kids and relive the glory days but when is the last time Bobby Knight showed up in your gym to see Damon Bailey.  Those days are long gone.  It's now about AAU summer tournaments with for hire players starting at the age of 12.  The real college teams play during prime time not during oatmeal time.  The very little money we get from TV isn't worth prostituting the program so a coach can say we played on TV x number of times last year.  One of these days an AD will have the nerve to say, we ain't doing this any more.
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Posted: 1/29/2013 10:36 PM
Syracuse = not a real college team.
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Here is my take on this.  High school ball is basically irrelevant today.  For those who live in rural communities like Athens County, Scioto County, Noble County and the like, it's cheap entertainment on a Friday night to support the local kids and relive the glory days but when is the last time Bobby Knight showed up in your gym to see Damon Bailey.  Those days are long gone.  It's now about AAU summer tournaments with for hire players starting at the age of 12.  The real college teams play during prime time not during oatmeal time.  The very little money we get from TV isn't worth prostituting the program so a coach can say we played on TV x number of times last year.  One of these days an AD will have the nerve to say, we ain't doing this any more.


...and [whoever it is that calls MAC teams up to inform them that their game will be at a given time slot on ESPN-family networks] will laugh and tap his fingers menacingly on the contract that says yes, in fact, we are doing it.

But seriously, I'm glad that we're going to be on nationwide TV (nation wide TV is defined as something I can see by clicking the up/down arrows on my remote without having to plug my computer into the TV. I'm not in the STO footprint). Admittedly, I was unable to attend this game either way, so I'm not personally put out by it.
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Posted: 1/29/2013 11:07 PM
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Syracuse = not a real college team.


And Cincinnati.
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Here is my take on this.  High school ball is basically irrelevant today.  For those who live in rural communities like Athens County, Scioto County, Noble County and the like, it's cheap entertainment on a Friday night to support the local kids and relive the glory days but when is the last time Bobby Knight showed up in your gym to see Damon Bailey.  Those days are long gone.  It's now about AAU summer tournaments with for hire players starting at the age of 12.  The real college teams play during prime time not during oatmeal time.  The very little money we get from TV isn't worth prostituting the program so a coach can say we played on TV x number of times last year.  One of these days an AD will have the nerve to say, we ain't doing this any more.


wOW

Just Wow

HIgh School sports in this state ...including football are still the things that grade schoolers attend and grab autographs from the local heroes and where college coaches and assistants show up during open recruiting periods.

I went to several games in Ohio this year where the gym was packed to see teams like Bloom Carrol or Pick Central play.....and I saw very few ex hippie era balding fat men reliving their glory days. I saw pep bands and cheerleaders doing the same things we did and had to stand at several games because there were no seats left in the lower or upper bowls.

With regard to recruiting, I do not disagree that the summer tourneys are huge in the process but I am not saying HS ball is irrelevant as I still see Brad Stevens, TOm Crean, and a slew of assts at local games, I know Rhodes still heads out on thursday and heads for places like Baltimore,  Va,, NY, Ohio, from PGH and gets back way late on Friday night after a game where he was looking at kids seen in the summmer that needs to be seen in their hometown setting. FYI you are a little out of touch with regrd to recruiting. Head Coaches not named Crean, Stevens or Groce rarely are directly involved in teh recruiting process. It is done by and large by the assts. and has been for a decode plus.

As for who plays on Friday....usually it is pretty difficult to find a game on Friday unless you are a fan of the Horizon league. Very few colleges in Indiana are dumb enough to set time opposite local HS teams even to the point where they will avoid a saturday night game if the local tema is playing. I dont see a ton of Friday offerings on First Row, ESPN or the likes as opposed to Saturday or weeknights.

Pronouncing HS sports as dead just tells me you have crossed that barrier from involved  and aware to throwing out opinions from the easy chair.  Feet on the ground say that while waning  and competing for an ever shrinking peice of the dixcretionary entertainment dollar communities still get out and support their local teams....especially if they are winning. HS sports are sitll one of the best entertainment dollars you will ever spend. Games for the sake of the sport. SOrry ALan, I usually just pass over most of your stuff these days but my weekly experience in plaecs from urban,  Suburban and rural Indiana, Illinois and Ohio are in oppostion to what I see standing on an end line looking for a seat most nights. .
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Posted: 1/30/2013 8:14 AM
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....One of these days an AD will have the nerve to say, we ain't doing this any more.....


Lets not hold our breath waiting for this Alan.  Unfortunately those of us who like college football on Saturday afternoons and basketball at traditional times (not 11:00 AM or on Sunday night) have lost this battle in a complete route.  The AD who says we ain't doing this anymore will not be an AD for long.  There is no reason for Syracuse to play a basketball game at 11:00AM.  None.  Yet, they did.  For ESPNU.  Its over.  I lost.....
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