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Posted: 5/2/2013 10:50 AM
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Would rather focus on Reggie's pragmatic response.




Good for Reg. 




Agreed.  The sexuality of consenting adults shouldn't be an issue anywhere in life, let alone on the sports page.
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Posted: 5/2/2013 10:59 AM
Big thumbs up for Big Reg.
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Posted: 5/2/2013 12:06 PM
I am not sure why we are throwing stones at someone just because their opinion does not agree with yours.  Ivo's opinions do not personally jive with mine, but I fully support his right to have his own opinion and his right to express his opinion.  Some of you are also acting like his opinions are off the wall, however, his opinion is definately not in the minority of this nation.

And for me personally, I like and respect athletes for their abilities not their politics or religion, like Reggie said can the dude play. 
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Posted: 5/2/2013 2:01 PM
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I am not sure why we are throwing stones at someone just because their opinion does not agree with yours.

I'm not throwing stones because his opinion is different, I'm throwing stones because his opinion is bigoted and hurtful to others.


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Ivo's opinions do not personally jive with mine, but I fully support his right to have his own opinion and his right to express his opinion.

Ivo said he does not support the rights of certain people, criticizing him does not equate to not supporting Ivo's rights.


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Some of you are also acting like his opinions are off the wall, however, his opinion is definately not in the minority of this nation.

His remarks are discriminatory, he does not get a free pass because there are others who may agree with him.


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And for me personally, I like and respect athletes for their abilities not their politics or religion, like Reggie said can the dude play. 

You cannot separate a person from their words, their actions and the organizations they represent. Ivo is a student athlete at Ohio University and is therefore a representative of my alma mater whether he wants to be or not. Twitter is a public forum, his words have consequences and they influence my opinion of him.
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Posted: 5/2/2013 7:05 PM
Leave Ivo alone! He's entitled to his opinion just as you are.  You just don't agree.  I happen to agree with him!  It is no different than me not being overly thrilled with the idea that my school is the #1 party school!  Most people on here think it's great, where I believe it is a deterrent to this fine institution and costs Ohio University money every year when students won't come here because of the reputation!
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Posted: 5/2/2013 7:16 PM
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Leave Ivo alone! He's entitled to his opinion just as you are.  You just don't agree.  I happen to agree with him!  It is no different than me not being overly thrilled with the idea that my school is the #1 party school!  Most people on here think it's great, where I believe it is a deterrent to this fine institution and costs Ohio University money every year when students won't come here because of the reputation!


If you believe the two things are no different then please explain to me how gay rights is a deterrent to our fine institution and how it costs us money every year? I'd love to hear this. Sounds like a ridiculous thing to claim. 

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Posted: 5/2/2013 7:25 PM
All I'm saying is that we "all" have the right to our opinions!  Don't bury the guy on any type of forum whether you agree with him or not!  I merely brought up the party school bit  because of what responses I see on here re: the image.  I've been buried with all kinds of excuses why it is GREAT.  I don't buy into that line of thinking.  I usually don't post on here, but read every day because of my passion for Ohio University.  Shouldn't someone be able to say what his/her beliefs are without being slammed.  I know Ohio is a liberal school.  Not everyone that went to Ohio is liberal and it is Ivo's right to speak his mind.  It has no reflection on our fine institution!
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Posted: 5/2/2013 8:21 PM
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All I'm saying is that we "all" have the right to our opinions!  Don't bury the guy on any type of forum whether you agree with him or not!  I merely brought up the party school bit  because of what responses I see on here re: the image.  I've been buried with all kinds of excuses why it is GREAT.  I don't buy into that line of thinking.  I usually don't post on here, but read every day because of my passion for Ohio University.  Shouldn't someone be able to say what his/her beliefs are without being slammed.  I know Ohio is a liberal school.  Not everyone that went to Ohio is liberal and it is Ivo's right to speak his mind.  It has no reflection on our fine institution!


You can't just make statements demeaning an entire group of people and not expect to hear about it. Would you be defending Ivo if he said he didn't support rights for black people? I'm curious. 
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Posted: 5/2/2013 8:48 PM
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I am not sure why we are throwing stones at someone just because their opinion does not agree with yours.

I'm not throwing stones because his opinion is different, I'm throwing stones because his opinion is bigoted and hurtful to others.


Ivo's opinions do not personally jive with mine, but I fully support his right to have his own opinion and his right to express his opinion.

Ivo said he does not support the rights of certain people, criticizing him does not equate to not supporting Ivo's rights.


Some of you are also acting like his opinions are off the wall, however, his opinion is definately not in the minority of this nation.

His remarks are discriminatory, he does not get a free pass because there are others who may agree with him.


And for me personally, I like and respect athletes for their abilities not their politics or religion, like Reggie said can the dude play.

You cannot separate a person from their words, their actions and the organizations they represent. Ivo is a student athlete at Ohio University and is therefore a representative of my alma mater whether he wants to be or not. Twitter is a public forum, his words have consequences and they influence my opinion of him.
Not sure I ever said you, so not sure why you took it personal. All I am saying is that Ivo's comment is a widely held belief in this country and he has every right to voice his opinion.
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Posted: 5/2/2013 8:50 PM
I thought this was a forum to discuss Ohio basketball? Not gay rights or what anyone else may think or say.  I knew a long time ago why I didn't post on here.  I read the board to get valuable insight to Ohio athletic programs!  All too often I see these kinds of topics or people maligned for things that have no place on this forum.  Can't we just stick to Ohio Athletics?  Some of you seem to jump all over people when they post.  It seems some feel this board is for an elite few that have strong opinions.  That's why I generally don't post.  All I did was support Ivo.  Nothing wrong with that, unless, of course you disagree with us.

By the way - Billy Cat- I agree with you!  No need to throw stones!


And by the way Tilly - I don't believe Ivo would comment on black rights! 
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Posted: 5/2/2013 9:55 PM
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He's entitled to his opinion just as you are.  You just don't agree. 


So he's entitled to our option, and so are we, but we better not express it, unlike Ivo, who can express his opinion, which he is entitled to, just like us?
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Posted: 5/2/2013 10:00 PM
I think you mean opinion instead of option.  Anyway, you are entitled to your opinion and can state it if you want.  I'm not going to jump in your shorts for that.  Why does the majority here jump in Ivo's shorts?  Just because he played basketball at Ohio? 
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Posted: 5/2/2013 10:19 PM
I'll jump on anyone who says something like that.
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Posted: 5/2/2013 10:40 PM
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Not sure I ever said you, so not sure why you took it personal. All I am saying is that Ivo's comment is a widely held belief in this country and he has every right to voice his opinion.


I responded in the first person because I didn't want to speak for other posters, I wasn't taking your comments personal, hope you were not taking mine that way either.

You and I are both in agreement- Ivo has every right to voice his opinion. I agree 100% and would never support any effort to deny him his rights.

But where I think you are mistaken is that you are suggesting that criticizing Ivo's comments equates to wanting to deny his right to express them.  You can criticize someone's speech and not want to prevent them from speaking. Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from judgement, however. I hope you can see the irony in that the only person who does not support everyone's rights equally is Ivo.

I realize this topic can get away from a discussion about Ohio Athletics quickly so I won't go any further, but understand that the only reason I am criticizing Ivo's comments on this board is because Ivo is a representative of OHIO and he made these comments publicly.

I'll leave it at that. I wish Ivo well in his future endeavors.
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Posted: 5/2/2013 10:59 PM
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I think you mean opinion instead of option.  Anyway, you are entitled to your opinion and can state it if you want.  I'm not going to jump in your shorts for that.  Why does the majority here jump in Ivo's shorts?  Just because he played basketball at Ohio? 


The majority "jump in his shorts" (I'm sure he'd find that, like, totally gross and gay) because he represents a sad and rapidly shrinking minority who think gay Americans are less than equal. Based on the 71 in your username, I'll guess that it's your graduation year. Your views from the early 70s are outdated and will soon be anathema. Ivo, as you can tell from the responses here, is an outlier for his generation. In fact, 73% of Americans under 30 polled in March of this year don't just think being gay is acceptable -- they support same-sex marriage. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57576249/poll-53-of-a.../
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Posted: 5/2/2013 11:17 PM
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The majority "jump in his shorts" (I'm sure he'd find that, like, totally gross and gay)


Ha!
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Posted: 5/2/2013 11:37 PM
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I'll jump on anyone who says something like that.


You ever worked with kids? Answer this ... how do you answer a kid who asks "why do I have 2 daddies (or mommies". "Why am I different"? I've been asked that question and I cringe when it's asked.
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Posted: 5/2/2013 11:44 PM
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I think you mean opinion instead of option.  Anyway, you are entitled to your opinion and can state it if you want.  I'm not going to jump in your shorts for that.  Why does the majority here jump in Ivo's shorts?  Just because he played basketball at Ohio? 


The majority "jump in his shorts" (I'm sure he'd find that, like, totally gross and gay) because he represents a sad and rapidly shrinking minority who think gay Americans are less than equal. Based on the 71 in your username, I'll guess that it's your graduation year. Your views from the early 70s are outdated and will soon be anathema. Ivo, as you can tell from the responses here, is an outlier for his generation. In fact, 73% of Americans under 30 polled in March of this year don't just think being gay is acceptable -- they support same-sex marriage. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57576249/poll-53-of-a.../


I love your 73% quote. Then again it's under 30 people. Ha! Let's try a simple question since this thread has digressed so much .... how can 2 gay people produce a child of their own?

Uhh, they can't.  So really gays want not equal rights but special rights.
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Posted: 5/3/2013 12:07 AM
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I'll jump on anyone who says something like that.


You ever worked with kids?


Yes. And sometimes I hear one of them say, "That's gay" or something like that in a derogatory way. I pull them aside and talk to them, try to get them to understand why that's not a good thing to say. I haven't had the two mommies or daddies question, but I have a pretty good idea of what I would say.
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Posted: 5/3/2013 12:37 AM
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I love your 73% quote. Then again it's under 30 people. Ha! Let's try a simple question since this thread has digressed so much .... how can 2 gay people produce a child of their own?

Uhh, they can't.  So really gays want not equal rights but special rights.


I shouldn't take the bait but this statement is so ignorant it makes my head hurt.

here's a simple question back at you- where does it say in our laws that married people must procreate? Where does it say ANYTHING about sexual activity, or sexual orientation? Consummation is not even a requirement.

Marriage equality is about allowing people who are already eligible to enter into marriage the freedom to chose each other regardless of their gender. Just as 50 years ago two eligible individuals were denied the freedom to chose each other based on their race.

It's not special rights, its equal rights.
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Posted: 5/3/2013 12:47 AM
Jerry86 wrote:expand_more
I'll jump on anyone who says something like that.


You ever worked with kids? Answer this ... how do you answer a kid who asks "why do I have 2 daddies (or mommies". "Why am I different"? I've been asked that question and I cringe when it's asked.


Yes I have worked with kids, and the one's that I have known who are with same sex parents do not see themselves as "different" - they have two beautiful parents that love them dearly - and if they ever felt "different" - I would tell them just that.  I also know adults that grew up raised by "two mothers" - all wonderful people and the kids are, amazingly, straight - imagine that!
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Posted: 5/3/2013 12:47 AM
Fist, I'm quite sure that a majority of people in America support equal rights for gays.  By a fairly strong majority--one that has significantly developed over the last 5-10 years and...the tide...will be overwhelming in 5-15 more. 

So much so that those who are against gay rights will be looked upon soon about as someone would be today if they said that they endorsed slavery.

Sure each is entitled to their own opinion.

But do you really want to go around advocating any of the following, all of which are about the same thing:  members of a given demographic (sex, race, religion, height, hair color, sexual preference, etc) should not be able to vote or marry or should not earn as much as the 'main' group, etc etc.  Sure decades ago, that was orthodoxy, but is that good thought or opinion today?

If only from a self-interest/economic point of view, pursuing such opinions is poor policy.
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Posted: 5/3/2013 6:12 AM
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I think you mean opinion instead of option.  Anyway, you are entitled to your opinion and can state it if you want.  I'm not going to jump in your shorts for that.  Why does the majority here jump in Ivo's shorts?  Just because he played basketball at Ohio? 


The majority "jump in his shorts" (I'm sure he'd find that, like, totally gross and gay) because he represents a sad and rapidly shrinking minority who think gay Americans are less than equal. Based on the 71 in your username, I'll guess that it's your graduation year. Your views from the early 70s are outdated and will soon be anathema. Ivo, as you can tell from the responses here, is an outlier for his generation. In fact, 73% of Americans under 30 polled in March of this year don't just think being gay is acceptable -- they support same-sex marriage. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57576249/poll-53-of-a.../


I love your 73% quote. Then again it's under 30 people. Ha! Let's try a simple question since this thread has digressed so much .... how can 2 gay people produce a child of their own?

Uhh, they can't.  So really gays want not equal rights but special rights.


I'll let ESPN journalist and commentator, and Western Michigan graduate LZ Granderson address your special rights comment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CstD6O95L-o

I'm sure you'll want to tell him that, he, his partner, and his teenage son aren't a real family. Or you could just tell me, my partner, and our 2 children that. Better yet, I'll call my best friend from college, and tell her and her husband that because she is unable to have children, she's not in a legitiment marriage. I'm sure it will devastate her, but not deter her from her adoption plans.

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Posted: 5/3/2013 7:17 AM
Proposal: eliminate state sanction of any marriage. Equal rights achieved, this debate ends with both sides getting what they want, and we can go back to arguing about what sucks more--an F5 tornado, or Fiami.
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Posted: 5/3/2013 7:45 AM
Wow!  My only point was that we do not need to blast Ivo on an athletic forum.  I prefer to read about Ohio athletics, not Ivo's tweet.  This discussion took a real turn.  Recovering Journalist - you are at least partially correct in your "assumption" that 71 means the yr. I graduated. (from HS).  I see it is your opinion that because I'm older that my views are outdated in today's society.  These topics have been and will continue to be heated topics of discussion well into the future.  I'm not sure that my views on any topic can be classified as outdated.  They are outdated to you because you don't happen to agree.  I am married and have raised 4 children who all are successful and now raising their own families.  I'm certainly proud!  I also had one of my best friends in HS turn out to be gay.  He also died at a young age (30) of aids.  I've seen, maybe closer than most people, both sides.  Why did he get aids? Because of the lifestyle he chose to participate in.  By the way - it is an ugly way to die!

At any rate, I am finished with the gay rights discussion.  I look forward to getting these types of discussions off the Ohio athletic forum!
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