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Posted: 11/12/2013 11:02 AM
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I am a recovering OSU addict. It base been 24 years since I last cheered for Ohio A&M .I grew up a huge Ohio State fan and even attended Ohio State in 1989. The only reason I initially attended OSU was because of my undying love of the Buckeyes. Well long story short, I went there, hated everything about it and transferred to Ohio University and loved it! As for my undying love for the Buckeyes....it died! I am proud to say I have not worn scarlet and gray since the day I left OSU. Actually 2 other guys from 8th floor Park hall at OSU transferred with me that year.
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It is nothing like the Browns in the NFL.  The NFL is built on parity and every team having a fairly equal chance(Salary Cap).  If we played Ohio State 50 times during the Solich Era, 5 total wins would be a huge accomplishment.  I am not saying don't strive to be as good as Ohio State.  What I am saying is that in order to be that good, we can't run off every OU fan that has a few OSU shirts.
 
 
 
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To me, this topic always comes down to this scenario.  Let's say it was the football team playing in Columbus this weekend.  The game was suppose to have been played in September, but a tornado went through.  No loss of life (so it is not like the Buckeyes are playing for the devastated people of Ohio), but officials were afraid of structural damage to the shoe. 

So the football team has a chance to knock off OSU.  Take them completely out of national championship consideration.  Yes, we would be heavy, heavy underdogs, but who do you root for?  I ask this because I know a number of folks that I went to school with that would have said #1 and I know a good number of folks that would answer #3....but really mean #2 (or say #2 but really feel #1).  (FYI - you are a zero if you select "0").

So here you go.  Ohio at OSU this weekend in football what do you do...

0. I'd stay out of this - I can't choose between my two loves.

1. I'd root for OSU - an Ohio victory would be great, but a national championship is hard to come by.  Sorry, need to say "go Buckeyes."....but I'd want Ohio to play well.

2. I'd root for Ohio, but wouldn't mind an OSU win and Oho to play well - works for both teams.

3. I'd root for Ohio.  While I know it would ruin OSU's chance for a national championship and open up the team to the ridiculing world in the SEC as being posers, I always root for Ohio - no matter what.

4. Hell Yes I'd root for Ohio.  This is perfect.  We get a statement win.  We knock OSU out of National Championship contention and We open the door for the Buckeyes to be ridiculed and stomped on across the nation as posers that should never be considered for a National Championship.

To me, any answer but #4 is disappointing.  But I appreciate those from the state of Ohio that bleed green and honestly say #3.

So, what do you say?


#4. Not only am I am this camp when they play Ohio, but you can insert any team in here and it would still apply. I am sick and tired of hearing about how good they are. I am sick and tired of everyone assuming being an Ohio fan means I have a necklace at home with a bunch of nuts on it. The day ANY in-state MAC school knocks off O$U (Miami included) at the 'Shoe will be a glorious day. There are other D1 programs in this state and it's time some of them starting punching them right in the mouth to remind them of that fact. We have a great chance to get this ball rolling tonight!

 
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IWhat I am saying is that in order to be that good, we can't run off every OU fan that has a few OSU shirts.


why not?  One has little to do with the other.  It simply culls the herd.
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Let me provide my unscientific historical perspective of student feelings about osu since I’ve been here a long time. One way to examine this is to see what students were wearing. My recollection from way back in the 70’s to the 90’s is students generally had a positive attitude of the buckeyes. You saw osu shirts and other paraphernalia on campus although it didn’t stand out.

This changed a dozen or so years ago when there was a build up of buckeye stuff seen on students. I recall one class of about 40 students where I counted 12 osu shirts. It definitely stood out for a few years.

But that too has changed. That craze left fairly fast and today there’s more OHIO shirts and stuff that I’ve ever seen before and not so much from State. Even see OSWho? stuff around now. And the occasional State shirt is sometimes called out. The campus is Bobcat territory today.

 My 2 favorite teams are OHIO and anybody playing THE.

 

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IWhat I am saying is that in order to be that good, we can't run off every OU fan that has a few OSU shirts.


why not?  One has little to do with the other.  It simply culls the herd.

Wow.  I'm glad people didn't have this attitude back when I was starting.  I own some Ohio State shirts (yes they were gifts but still) and still consider myself one of the bigger Ohio Fans around.  I've followed the team to Las Vegas, Memphis, and was one of about 5 Ohio fans at Buffalo last year.  Should I have been run off?

If they aren't playing each other, what's the difference? Who cares what other teams people root for?
 

Edit: Providing financial support to a separate institution is something different.

 
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I can stomach (barely) the OU alum who casually still hopes OSU does well, but there is no questioning where their true loyalty lies.  I can even stomach the non-sports fan who doesn't actually care at all about sports and so they are sucked into the social aspect of Ohio State sports.  But the sports fan that went/goes to Ohio, and spends more time, focus and money on OSU....ohhh boy do I have trouble enjoying that person's company.  And honestly, if I was an Ohio State alum, this type of fan would annoying the living crap out of me!  I would scream at them to stop rooting for my school and go root for theirs.

And it is so commonplace (at least in Columbus), that it seems to be the norm.  It usually starts with a "did you go to OU?...Me too!" in reference to some Ohio attire and ends with me just shaking my head.  Calling them out on it is a hobby of mine, and probably damages the potential for any type of pleasant relationship going forward, but you hear so many assanine responses that belittle their alma mater that it disgusts me.  It usually involves them saying OU just isn't "big time" in sports and ends with me telling them maybe that's because they don't have the support of their very own alumni.

No amount of success, recognition and media coverage from another school could make me turn my back on my beloved alma mater.  I want to win tomorrow not to stick it to OSU fans, but to stick it to our own alumni who have disowned us.


Well said, sir.  You took the words right out of my mouth.
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IWhat I am saying is that in order to be that good, we can't run off every OU fan that has a few OSU shirts.


why not?  One has little to do with the other.  It simply culls the herd.

Wow.  I'm glad people didn't have this attitude back when I was starting.  I own some Ohio State shirts (yes they were gifts but still) and still consider myself one of the bigger Ohio Fans around.  I've followed the team to Las Vegas, Memphis, and was one of about 5 Ohio fans at Buffalo last year.  Should I have been run off?

If they aren't playing each other, what's the difference? Who cares what other teams people root for?
 


What's the difference? Who cares? I'll take a stab-

Rooting for another team isn't as simple as saying "yeah, go team". Rooting for a team involves financially contributing to that university directly or indirectly- directly by purchasing game tickets, parking passes, officially licensed apparel and memorabilia, etc.; and indirectly through media revenue generated from following the team via TV, web and print.

Rooting for a team also has indirect financial ramifications socially as others around you may be influenced by your support and may in turn begin rooting for that team as well. This influence can affect others to not only root for the team but to attend that university  which would generate tens of thousands of dollars for the school via tuition, and countless dollars donated after graduation as an alum. How many students chose to attend OSU because of name recognition alone and how many students of OSU and of other schools in Ohio root for the Buckeyes because "they've always been fans since they were kids"?

Once you understand the financial implications of "rooting for" a university's athletic department the real question becomes- why would you financially support a university you DON'T have a degree from and whose graduates you will be competing with for jobs? "Rooting for" a college team has significant implications beyond the field of play.

Don't feed the beast.
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My biggest problem with OSU fans are the ones that didn't attend the university but refer to the Buckeyes as "We".  I was in Grandview Hts with a very good friend of mine on Sunday.  The first time he referred to OSU football, he said "we", and I casually said that I didn't realize Dayton (his alma mater) actually spelled Ohio State.  It's the absolute arrogance of those fans that drive me crazy.  Alums, or those with family connections, I understand.   

I grew up in a household with 2 Penn State alums, so I never grew up rooting for the Buckeyes.  I was in State College last year proudly wearing my Ohio green and white, even though some of my best times as a child were visiting Happy Valley with my old man. 

I get having loyalties to more than one institution, but ultimately you have to go with your alma mater.

Here's hoping to 2 big wins tonight.
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It is nothing like the Browns in the NFL.  The NFL is built on parity and every team having a fairly equal chance(Salary Cap).  If we played Ohio State 50 times during the Solich Era, 5 total wins would be a huge accomplishment.  I am not saying don't strive to be as good as Ohio State.  What I am saying is that in order to be that good, we can't run off every OU fan that has a few OSU shirts.
I know I won't win this argument, but salary cap approximates scholarship limits to some degree. There are a lot more DI teams, so by default there will be some larger gaps. But the teams play one another, and are all playing for the same goal, thus it is nothing like major and minor leagues. Ohio winning a national basketball title is, frankly, no crazier than the Browns winning a Super Bowl as we head into the season each year. College football is a bit different because you can win every game and still not be a national titlist, unlike basketball (which I see as a major flaw in the game). As for all the parity in the NFL, obviously that would mean that a team losing 11 in a row to another would be unrealistic, then, right?

I'm not all about running off anybody with an OSU shirt in the closet. I'm not about running off people who watch OSU and Ohio on gameday. I'm about indoctrinating or running off people who think of their alma mater as a second class citizen. I'm about either indoctrinating or running off kids sitting in a dorm room on South Green, or a bar on Court Street, watching OSU while Peden or the Convo are buzzing. I'll take your money if you want to come to a game or two, but I'm not going out of my way to be friendly or act like I would enjoy that person's company at an event.
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Good thoughts, Perimeter.  I'd also add that in my experience, being a fan of both teams usually means being a very casual & mild fan of the Bobcats.  The best bobcat fans I've ever met do not have the slightest bit of rooting interest in any other school. 

Rufus 10:27 - "Love the Bobcats, your school, with all your heart, all your soul, all your strength, and all your mind."
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IWhat I am saying is that in order to be that good, we can't run off every OU fan that has a few OSU shirts.


why not?  One has little to do with the other.  It simply culls the herd. 

Wow.  I'm glad people didn't have this attitude back when I was starting.  I own some Ohio State shirts (yes they were gifts but still) and still consider myself one of the bigger Ohio Fans around.  I've followed the team to Las Vegas, Memphis, and was one of about 5 Ohio fans at Buffalo last year.  Should I have been run off?

If they aren't playing each other, what's the difference? Who cares what other teams people root for?
 


What's the difference? Who cares? I'll take a stab-

Rooting for another team isn't as simple as saying "yeah, go team". Rooting for a team involves financially contributing to that university directly or indirectly- directly by purchasing game tickets, parking passes, officially licensed apparel and memorabilia, etc.; and indirectly through media revenue generated from following the team via TV, web and print. 

Rooting for a team also has indirect financial ramifications socially as others around you may be influenced by your support and may in turn begin rooting for that team as well. This influence can affect others to not only root for the team but to attend that university  which would generate tens of thousands of dollars for the school via tuition, and countless dollars donated after graduation as an alum. How many students chose to attend OSU because of name recognition alone and how many students of OSU and of other schools in Ohio root for the Buckeyes because "they've always been fans since they were kids"? 

Once you understand the financial implications of "rooting for" a university's athletic department the real question becomes- why would you financially support a university you DON'T have a degree from and whose graduates you will be competing with for jobs? "Rooting for" a college team has significant implications beyond the field of play.

Don't feed the beast.

I added an edit (probably as you were typing that up) on there about financially supporting was a different beast.  As for financially supporting through watching the game on TV, I guess I support a lot of teams then because I watch a lot of games. I don't buy that part. I agree with the direct contributions though. I have never directly contributed money to another school besides Ohio and the OBC.  I still don't care if someone who is a Bobcat fan first follows another team as well.

I've already explained why I follow a team at a school I didn't get a degree from, you may not see that as a valid reason but I do.  The people who know me have no questions about where my loyalty lies, nor would they call me a mild fan.

I completely agree with anorris about there being a problem with your alumni being a second class citizen.  I've had that discussion with a few of my old roommates.  There's a big difference between rooting for another team and rooting for them over your alma matter.
 
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Here's the impact as well.  When out in your garb.  How do you answer and feel when someone  asks "when did you go to State?"

I travel a fair amount.  Spend time in airports and in bars/grills eating dinner after long days with clients.  I'll see folks with Ohio State garb - and I often strike up a conversation.   I've gotten into the process of approaching them and either making a comment that I went to Ohio, when do they go to State, Or simply asking, "Ohio State, wen did you graduate?"  The answer I most often get (as we all know) is. "Oh, I'm just a Buckeye fan."  Which leads me to ask, "So you're from Ohio, where did you go to school, I went Ohio?"  If they say a MAC school, I simply comment about their school --- "oh BG, go Falcons,  - MAC schools gotta stick together - So the Falcon shirt was dirty."

I also get the occasional response of, "Oh I went to Ohio."  This happened to me at the Charlotte airport about two years ago.  Two early 20s one in Ohio garb, the other in OSU.  I made a joke about "how can you travel with "one of them."  The OSU guy turns and says, "oh I went to Ohio also."  I couldn't believe it.  I  asked him how that made him look and how it made Ohio look.  How can he spend 4 years on our brick streets and then embrace and promote another.  "But I've always followed their football team."  I told him to at least only wear a shirt that says "Ohio State Football"  instead of "Ohio State University." as that way he is only dissing the 70 players on the bobcat team, not every alumni.  By the way, his friend was thrilled that I got into him.  Said he had given up trying to educate him.  My wife was stunned (and a bit embarrassed).  My son thought it was great.  I wasn't aggressive and in his face, but I was direct.

Folks on this board talk about promoting the Ohio brand.  Well, wearing the colors takes away from that brand.  Especially when you are standing there in a Buckeye shirt and have to admit to someone,  "No, I went to Ohio, but..." 
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IWhat I am saying is that in order to be that good, we can't run off every OU fan that has a few OSU shirts.


why not?  One has little to do with the other.  It simply culls the herd. 

Wow.  I'm glad people didn't have this attitude back when I was starting.  I own some Ohio State shirts (yes they were gifts but still) and still consider myself one of the bigger Ohio Fans around.  I've followed the team to Las Vegas, Memphis, and was one of about 5 Ohio fans at Buffalo last year.  Should I have been run off?

If they aren't playing each other, what's the difference? Who cares what other teams people root for?
 


What's the difference? Who cares? I'll take a stab-

Rooting for another team isn't as simple as saying "yeah, go team". Rooting for a team involves financially contributing to that university directly or indirectly- directly by purchasing game tickets, parking passes, officially licensed apparel and memorabilia, etc.; and indirectly through media revenue generated from following the team via TV, web and print. 

Rooting for a team also has indirect financial ramifications socially as others around you may be influenced by your support and may in turn begin rooting for that team as well. This influence can affect others to not only root for the team but to attend that university  which would generate tens of thousands of dollars for the school via tuition, and countless dollars donated after graduation as an alum. How many students chose to attend OSU because of name recognition alone and how many students of OSU and of other schools in Ohio root for the Buckeyes because "they've always been fans since they were kids"? 

Once you understand the financial implications of "rooting for" a university's athletic department the real question becomes- why would you financially support a university you DON'T have a degree from and whose graduates you will be competing with for jobs? "Rooting for" a college team has significant implications beyond the field of play.

Don't feed the beast.

I added an edit (probably as you were typing that up) on there about financially supporting was a different beast.  As for financially supporting through watching the game on TV, I guess I support a lot of teams then because I watch a lot of games. I don't buy that part. I agree with the direct contributions though. I have never directly contributed money to another school besides Ohio and the OBC.  I still don't care if someone who is a Bobcat fan first follows another team as well.

I've already explained why I follow a team at a school I didn't get a degree from, you may not see that as a valid reason but I do.  The people who know me have no questions about where my loyalty lies, nor would they call me a mild fan.

I completely agree with anorris about there being a problem with your alumni being a second class citizen.  I've had that discussion with a few of my old roommates.  There's a big difference between rooting for another team and rooting for them over your alma matter.
 


yeah I started typing then work flared up and got in the way momentarily, I see your edit now. thanks.
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god I hate when we play these guys.  It is maddening on so many levels that I can hardly stand it.

To elaborate, and am not dumping on but merely am using Oz as an example, because I know he supports the Bobs while also having a first love of tOSU: A win over tOSU tonight will in no way do anything to change Oz's love of both the Bobs and that other team.  I venture to estimate that holds true for most everyone else, either on this board or in the general populace that gives a rat's ass.

Therefore, these games head to head against "them" do absolutely nothing to change the collective mindset of those who love OHIO, state or both.  We win and everyone feels warm and fuzzy for a while...but nothing really changes in the grand scheme of things.  I would rather us play Kentucky, Duke or Kansas every year as a test of our upward ability and mobility than that other team.

Hence my stance that I prefer we never play that team in Cowtown in anything, ever, again.

 
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4. Hell Yes I'd root for Ohio.  This is perfect.  We get a statement win.  We knock OSU out of National Championship contention and We open the door for the Buckeyes to be ridiculed and stomped on across the nation as posers that should never be considered for a National Championship.

To me, any answer but #4 is disappointing.  But I appreciate those from the state of Ohio that bleed green and honestly say #3.

So, what do you say?

Definitely #4, without a doubt. 


General clarification - I don't think anyone wants to "get rid of" the fans who still follow/root for the Buckeyes. But we do want to get rid of their O$U fandom & make them only OHIO fans and OHIO fans only. 

 
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It is nothing like the Browns in the NFL.  The NFL is built on parity and every team having a fairly equal chance(Salary Cap).  If we played Ohio State 50 times during the Solich Era, 5 total wins would be a huge accomplishment.  I am not saying don't strive to be as good as Ohio State.  What I am saying is that in order to be that good, we can't run off every OU fan that has a few OSU shirts.
I know I won't win this argument, but salary cap approximates scholarship limits to some degree. There are a lot more DI teams, so by default there will be some larger gaps. But the teams play one another, and are all playing for the same goal, thus it is nothing like major and minor leagues. Ohio winning a national basketball title is, frankly, no crazier than the Browns winning a Super Bowl as we head into the season each year. College football is a bit different because you can win every game and still not be a national titlist, unlike basketball (which I see as a major flaw in the game). As for all the parity in the NFL, obviously that would mean that a team losing 11 in a row to another would be unrealistic, then, right?

I'm not all about running off anybody with an OSU shirt in the closet. I'm not about running off people who watch OSU and Ohio on gameday. I'm about indoctrinating or running off people who think of their alma mater as a second class citizen. I'm about either indoctrinating or running off kids sitting in a dorm room on South Green, or a bar on Court Street, watching OSU while Peden or the Convo are buzzing. I'll take your money if you want to come to a game or two, but I'm not going out of my way to be friendly or act like I would enjoy that person's company at an event.

I would tend to agree that scholarships are somewhat like a salary cap, but then again just look at the budgets outside of that and you will cry.  For sure in Hoops...not so much in football.  Second class citizen is a strong term, and by no means do I think we are a second class university. I am just being realistic about where we stand as an Athletics Department.  I would also venture to say that being delusional about where we stand can be very dangerous as well.  It gives unrealistic expectations and when those expectations are not met, it tends to hurt morale.  We are all on the same team here.... 

 
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IWhat I am saying is that in order to be that good, we can't run off every OU fan that has a few OSU shirts.


why not?  One has little to do with the other.  It simply culls the herd.

Wow.  I'm glad people didn't have this attitude back when I was starting.  I own some Ohio State shirts (yes they were gifts but still) and still consider myself one of the bigger Ohio Fans around.  I've followed the team to Las Vegas, Memphis, and was one of about 5 Ohio fans at Buffalo last year.  Should I have been run off?

If they aren't playing each other, what's the difference? Who cares what other teams people root for?
 


What's the difference? Who cares? I'll take a stab-

Rooting for another team isn't as simple as saying "yeah, go team". Rooting for a team involves financially contributing to that university directly or indirectly- directly by purchasing game tickets, parking passes, officially licensed apparel and memorabilia, etc.; and indirectly through media revenue generated from following the team via TV, web and print.

Rooting for a team also has indirect financial ramifications socially as others around you may be influenced by your support and may in turn begin rooting for that team as well. This influence can affect others to not only root for the team but to attend that university  which would generate tens of thousands of dollars for the school via tuition, and countless dollars donated after graduation as an alum. How many students chose to attend OSU because of name recognition alone and how many students of OSU and of other schools in Ohio root for the Buckeyes because "they've always been fans since they were kids"?

Once you understand the financial implications of "rooting for" a university's athletic department the real question becomes- why would you financially support a university you DON'T have a degree from and whose graduates you will be competing with for jobs? "Rooting for" a college team has significant implications beyond the field of play.

Don't feed the beast.

This post has some validity and any sort of support for a team is going to have financial benefits in some way shape or form. My point would be that, I would rather have a fan root for OU and OSU rather than root for only OSU.  It is the same formula for a season ticket holder...it is tough to get someone to become a season ticket holder right away, but if you get them to a game, then get them a mini pack, you can make them a season ticket holder.

 
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  When I attend games and sit with the other 110 parents if Im wearing shorts (early in the season) they see my block O tattoo and usually ask , "why?"
  I grew up 25 min from Athens my grandfather was an administrator at the state mental hospital now known as the ridges. We use to go to watch the bobcats in the late 70's, but he was also a Buckeye fan. Neither of us attended either school ,he went to Marietta and the USAF was my choice. The answer to why I root for the Buckeyes is and I think it's the same reason many my age do is that growing up you only saw the Buckeyes on TV , you didn't see the Bobcats. Heck even when grandpa took me to OU football games I thought it was a high school game at the time. I would attended a couple games a year up until the mid 80's when I joined the Air Force.
 When I started working in Athens and some friends and I from work would go to the occasional football or basketball game I think we all considered ourselves Buckeye fans first but then again we were all about the same age and most if not all of us hadn't gone to college but were all veterans of the armed forces.
  If I see a kid walking around campus with a Ohio State shirt on I don't think much of it sometimes I'll give them a "Go Bucks!" . Now why that kid is wearing Buckeye gear instead of Bobcat gear I don't know but Im guessing his dad or grandpa influenced him. You won't see my son with any Buckeye gear on he is a Bobcat all the way. When a friend asked me last night who I was rooting for I said I was rooting for a good game and even though I could never root against the Buckeyes the win would mean so much more to the Bobcats.
  I would say and this is just a guess but I have been to all the home games the past 3 years and a few dozen more over the years but I'd guess that on any given Saturday you could poll the crowd and 40% would consider themselves Buckeye and Bobcat fans , just like me.
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I would say and this is just a guess but I have been to all the home games the past 3 years and a few dozen more over the years but I'd guess that on any given Saturday you could poll the crowd and 40% would consider themselves Buckeye and Bobcat fans , just like me.


My informal observations over the years would say you are looking thorugh rose colored glasses here. I have found in the few years I have been shaking hands and meeting folks in the Convo, Peden, On COurt Street or around the country that there is a much smaller % than that in Bobcat land. I have found a very small % of Bobcats that actually do anything but root AGAINST A & M. I have found vocal disdain or ennui far more often than support when it comes to the Nuts.

FOund your experience to mirror of many of my friends from Marion to Mentor to Marrietta. All of them from families that had no actual connection to the big U up north. The HS comment is a perception reinforced by the media and the juggernaut to dupe the common man into following and contributing. Similar to the reason the Catholic Church used gothic cathedrals and stained glass to do the same for centuries in Europe and later here. Other than family who worshipped the Bucknuts with no other ties there is not much basis for forming such an alliance. Saome people drive Buicks and go to the same restaurants and church as their P's without ever examining why. That's fine. It is just who they are.


Appreciate your ties to A&M and respect your reasons.....still all your reasons put you squarely in the pasture.

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(I have found a very small % of Bobcats that actually do anything but root AGAINST A & M.)

 You may be right if you are calling "Bobcats" actuall folks that went to school at OU . I don't consider myself a "Bobcat" but yes a fan of the Bobcats. 

 As for the "perception" of it being a high school team I'll tell you how that came about for me , my first Bobcat football game. 1978 vs N.Illinois in Athens and my grandfather and I were probably 2 of the 300 people in attendance that day not counting the 110 . He had taken me to Meigs and Athens high school games where I had seen larger crowds. So as a 11 year old I just though this must be 2 high schools playing each other and the home team has one hell of a band. The following year or so I suppose I figured out it was college football , and from 82 to 85 my high school buddies and I would drive up from Pomeroy and Racine park right in front of the stadium and walk up to the tickets window and they would give us however many tickets we needed , we never had to pay. The crowds then couldn't have been much more than they were during my first game and I don't guess any of us to this day would consider ourselves Bobcats , but fans of. 
  I'd venture to say that many of the "locals" are indeed fans of both schools . Maybe not alumni locals but everyday , "locals." In my opinion the games I went to in the late 70's into the mid 80's those locals supported Bobcat (football) when very few did . You can pick a year say 84 and if the Buckeyes were on 1 of the 3 channels we got in southern Ohio at the same time the Cats played at home it was going to be a slower than usuall day at the box office at Pedan that day.

 
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I'm apparently one of the dreaded enemies within.  I follow OSU football, always have for as long as I can remember.  I still do.  I'm also an OU grad (twice), live here, and work here at OU.  No intentions to leave, either.  Ever.  I'm an OU season ticket holder for hoops and football, have been for a while.  I have never been to an OSU hoops game and have no intentions to ever go, I don't follow them in basketball.  I was watching and rooting on the Cats all night last night.  I have been to 6-7 OSU football games...60-70 OU football games.  Why am I still an OSU football follower?  I can give you two recent reasons: 30-3 and 49-0.  I came to OU football games in college in the early 2000's when the biggest kick was seeing a Roethlisberger or a Byron Leftwich.  We went to games knowing we would lose, but we wanted to see the opponents and see if a male cheerleader could throw one of those little white footballs out of Peden.  That was our excitement.  We stayed the whole game, even though the games were usually over by halftime when the party people left.  Let me tell you something, being a fan of a perpetual loser sucks.  It really does.  I was there for the Pitt game and owned a 16-10 shirt afterwards.  Byrum was my hero.  That was our crowning achievement, beating an average Pitt team.  Hate on me all you want for being an OSU football fan.  Maybe I'll see some of you real die-hards at the Blackout game next week after the last two weeks of being shellacked.  I'll be there supporting the team, like always, and not spewing anti-OSU hatred.  I'll also be there for every home game in the Convo and in Cleveland again for the MAC tourney, granted we get that far.  I have only missed one home volleyball game this year, too.  But I'm the enemy, right?  I have done nothing to support this university or the athletic programs here, and should be black balled in Athens for not being irrational and fanatical.  I even checked an OSU football score several times at a Saturday night volleyball game in between yelling "Ohio" after every point a few weeks ago.  Somehow I can still walk into the Convo and Peden without bursting into flames like the devil walking into a church, we'll see how long that lasts...

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maybe not dreaded enemy - Are you a "3" or "4"?
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IMHO I do not think OU has all that many casual fans in the Universe so I got to think the Bobcats I talk to are mostly inclusive.  ReAlistically,  The number of folks who follow the Bobs that do not have a direct connection are few and far between. Always seems to be a family member or close freind that went to, works at or is somehow connected to the U in some way. Try as we might the numbers of community fans at large remain much  smaller than the AD would like.  Big Ten fans from Iowa to Penn State are infinitely more likely to have NO tie to the U they support vociferously than any Bobcat fan.. SEC, ACC seem to cultivate the same fanbases in my experience.

I do not think that there are "enemies within" I assume that those who attend or  have degrees  from OU and support A&M have the good taste and manners to turn out in Bobcat gear for games and on campus functions. \\. I was a bit shocked as I stood talking to RIc and looked over at another player who was talking to what I assumed was a family friend or member in full OSU garb after the UNI game in the Convo. I assume that person is at least a prideful OSU alum and had not been one of the flock who  felt compelled to come support an OU player yet have the gross distaste to outfit himself in tO$U gear fro the occasion.

I attend Ball State games in a Cat's EYE T shirt instead of full OU gear out of respect for the local community. I do not wear Muncie Central gear to Delta HS games and I would not wear Alexander gear to Trimble (yes I do have Alexander gear). It is a matter of good taste and manners. My grammie that Graduated from Miami taught me that .....
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If you have two degrees from Ohio, live in Athens, have season tickets to multiple sports, donate to the school and shop at the Book Store but you also follow Buckeye scores online because you were a fan as a child that's not a crime. But I think its also very rare.

The bigger issue isn't even the fans that are split 50/50, its all of the chowder heads on my Facebook feed that graduated from Ohio but are now total 100% Buckeye fanatics that never mention the Bobcats. They're constantly posting status updates referring to OSU as "we", or they'll post "OH!" just to get an "IO" response, and they post pics of themselves and their kids decked out from head to toe in officially licensed Buckeye apparel. Sometimes its hard not to punch my dear friends in the throat.
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