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Posted: 11/11/2013 4:59 PM
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 It would be like a Toledo Mud Hens fan not being allowed to root for the Indians..... 


What a great way to describe your loyalties, you view your alma mater at the minor leagues and the school you have nothing to do with as the big leagues.  That's healthy.
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Posted: 11/11/2013 6:21 PM
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It would be like a Toledo Mud Hens fan not being allowed to root for the Indians.....
Here's my take: this thinking is part of the problem.

If you want to root for Mount Union, you can make that argument. Until such time as OSU and their ilk start paying players (above the table) and form a semi-pro league that Ohio is not a part of, that is just ignorant.
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Posted: 11/11/2013 6:41 PM
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Here is my take:

- I have no problem if someone wants to root for Ohio State.  If they were raised an Ohio State fan, that is a good reason to be a fan.  If you are loyal you will stick by your team.  Some will say 'Well then why didn't you go there"... Your education shouldn't be dictated by how much you like the sports team.
- With that being said, they should still be a fan of the Bobcats.  There is really no excuse to come here as a big Ohio State fan and not even remotely root for OU.
- The tough spot is people that root for both teams, and who they would root for if they played.  I wasn't an OU fan when I came to school here, but that quickly changed.  However, I can see how someone rooting for OSU for 15 years would have trouble rooting against them in such a small time frame.  

Overall, I think it would be foolish to rip on all the half OSU Half OU fans.  Those OSU fans are exactly the type that we need to start turning into diehard OU fans.  OU and OSU are not on the same level on the field...I wish we were and I hope we win, but realistically we are not.  There is no reason we can't have diehard OSU fans also be die hard OU fans.  It would be like a Toledo Mud Hens fan not being allowed to root for the Indians.....

 

I think his heart is in the right place here, but still doesnt get it 100%.This post is going to get some heat

 
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Posted: 11/11/2013 7:03 PM
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supporting a university you did not attend is like being poor and voting Republican.

Which explains why NBC pays millions of dollars to brodcast Notre Dame games.... 


Notre Dame exploits a desire among evangelicals to support something simply because of a perceived commonality of values and beliefs.You're not just rooting for the Irish, you're rooting for Jesus. Same thing for Buckeye bandwagoners who think OSU represents the whole dam state, and thus represents them.

The reason NBC has a deal with ND and not OSU is because there are a lot more evangelicals than there are Ohio residents.
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Posted: 11/11/2013 7:32 PM
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supporting a university you did not attend is like being poor and voting Republican.


If you are poor do you want a society that will increase the number of middle class and wealthier folks or one that makes it increasingly hard for a person to enhance his or her station in life?  Do you truly think that Democratic Party policies help folks get ahead in hard times?  Or, do they tend to increase dependency and make it harder for people to get out of the cycle of poverty? Your point of view is a legitimate point to discuss, but your smug statements that assume all righteousness is on your side is a little bit wearing, if not to mention arrogant.  
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Posted: 11/11/2013 7:52 PM
Years old, and not even an OU related rant, but seems a bit appropriate. If nothing else, to prove Ohio University fans aren't the only ones.

I've posted this in years past, so this may seem familiar.


http://www.bgnews.com/why-are-you-cheering-for-ohio-state/article_86bc8ea4-1db3-55a7-a1df-7f407e3011a7.html
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Posted: 11/11/2013 8:14 PM
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supporting a university you did not attend is like being poor and voting Republican.


If you are poor do you want a society that will increase the number of middle class and wealthier folks or one that makes it increasingly hard for a person to enhance his or her station in life?  Do you truly think that Democratic Party policies help folks get ahead in hard times?  Or, do they tend to increase dependency and make it harder for people to get out of the cycle of poverty? Your point of view is a legitimate point to discuss, but your smug statements that assume all righteousness is on your side is a little bit wearing, if not to mention arrogant.  


I don't think its controversial to say that Republicans are generally opposed to social safety nets and govt programs designed to help the Poor where Democrats are usually for them. And I don't think its smug or righteous of me to suggest that someone would vote in their own best interest, regardless if its truly effective or if its whats best from a broad perspective.
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Posted: 11/11/2013 8:21 PM
I'll put a different spin on this. I am the kid that wore Ohio University gear every day during my 4 years on campus somewhere else. Granted, I went to Marietta College (not a D1 institution) but still I remember getting a lot of grief about wearing green and white most days. I love my alma mater, I wear my Marietta garb A LOT, and still attend many sporting events there when the Bobcats are not in Athens. I wore my MC polo the night they played the Bobcats in the Convo (weirdest feeling ever rooting against Ohio). Just thought I would throw that out there.
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Posted: 11/11/2013 9:12 PM
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It would be like a Toledo Mud Hens fan not being allowed to root for the Indians.....
Here's my take: this thinking is part of the problem.

If you want to root for Mount Union, you can make that argument. Until such time as OSU and their ilk start paying players (above the table) and form a semi-pro league that Ohio is not a part of, that is just ignorant.

Exactly, I definitely agree that sort of thinking is part of the problem. Rolling over to O$U (and other larger programs) is weak. 

 
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Posted: 11/11/2013 9:14 PM
Those great philosophers, The Beach Boys, many years ago summed it up quite succinctly.  Not following the sage advice from the Rock n Roll greats is simply un-American. 



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Posted: 11/11/2013 9:29 PM
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Those great philosophers, The Beach Boys, many years ago summed it up quite succinctly.  Not following the sage advice from the Rock n Roll greats is simply un-American. 




Care to elaborate as to what is was that they summed up?

 
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Posted: 11/11/2013 9:35 PM
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Those great philosophers, The Beach Boys, many years ago summed it up quite succinctly.  Not following the sage advice from the Rock n Roll greats is simply un-American. 




Care to elaborate as to what is was that they summed up?

 


I'm not sure what he's referencing, either. More of a Floyd/Zeppelin guy.

 
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Posted: 11/11/2013 9:38 PM
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Those great philosophers, The Beach Boys, many years ago summed it up quite succinctly.  Not following the sage advice from the Rock n Roll greats is simply un-American. 




Care to elaborate as to what is was that they summed up?

 


I'm not sure what he's referencing, either. More of a Floyd/Zeppelin guy.

 

I like the Beach Boys, but i cant seem to figure out this cryptic post. I dont remember a whole lot of Beach Boys songs about the Ohio State Buckeyes

 
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Posted: 11/11/2013 9:52 PM
Wish they all could be California girls?  

Help me Rhonda?

Good Vibrations?

Don't know either what he was referring to . . . maybe all Bucknuts wish they were California girls?  Or, can't we all get along with "good vibrations" between Bucknuts and Bobcats?   I haven't a clue what he meant.

Parameter: I understand your response.  Find it reasonable, although not definitive and, hereby, call a truce, in the name of Bobcat love and good vibrations.  
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Posted: 11/11/2013 10:25 PM
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Wish they all could be California girls?  

Help me Rhonda?

Good Vibrations?

Don't know either what he was referring to . . . maybe all Bucknuts wish they were California girls?  Or, can't we all get along with "good vibrations" between Bucknuts and Bobcats?   I haven't a clue what he meant.

Parameter: I understand your response.  Find it reasonable, although not definitive and, hereby, call a truce, in the name of Bobcat love and good vibrations.  


C'mon squid boy.....sing along: "Be true to your school now, just like you would to your girl or guy, be true to your school and let your colors fly", etc
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Posted: 11/11/2013 10:35 PM
I hate Ohio State with a passion, all I am saying is that I understand why someone would want to be a fan of both, or wouldn't fully embrace OU.  I think it is fair to compare college sports with major and minor leagues.  Comparing it to English Soccer may be better with the way relegation is set up.  My point is that if Ohio State pays or doesn't pay players, they are in another league.  Am I happy it is this way? No.  But to think that we are on the same or even close level to them is nuts.  Striving to be on Ohio State's level right now is foolish and a waste of effort.  Let's strive to be at the top of the MAC and part of that is getting as many fans as we can...not excommunicating some because they aren't die hards and may root for other teams as well.
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Posted: 11/11/2013 10:36 PM
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Wish they all could be California girls?  

Help me Rhonda?

Good Vibrations?

Don't know either what he was referring to . . . maybe all Bucknuts wish they were California girls?  Or, can't we all get along with "good vibrations" between Bucknuts and Bobcats?   I haven't a clue what he meant.

Parameter: I understand your response.  Find it reasonable, although not definitive and, hereby, call a truce, in the name of Bobcat love and good vibrations.  


C'mon squid boy.....sing along: "Be true to your school now, just like you would to your girl or guy, be true to your school and let your colors fly", etc


And, the winner of the BobcatAttack Edition of Name that Tune is .  . . the Grunt himself, oldkatz!   

Ah, yes, forgot about that one.  I guess you came out of those long marches with your brain intact.  

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Posted: 11/11/2013 11:20 PM
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I hate Ohio State with a passion, all I am saying is that I understand why someone would want to be a fan of both, or wouldn't fully embrace OU.  I think it is fair to compare college sports with major and minor leagues.  Comparing it to English Soccer may be better with the way relegation is set up.  My point is that if Ohio State pays or doesn't pay players, they are in another league.  Am I happy it is this way? No.  But to think that we are on the same or even close level to them is nuts.  Striving to be on Ohio State's level right now is foolish and a waste of effort.  Let's strive to be at the top of the MAC and part of that is getting as many fans as we can...not excommunicating some because they aren't die hards and may root for other teams as well.
But. They. Aren't. On. Another. Level.

They are better than us most years, and far more successful and popular. But they aren't in another league. This is like saying Browns fans shouldn't mind if half their fanbase rooted for, say, Baltimore most weeks, and maybe or maybe not when they played. I mean, really, it isn't like the Browns are playing for a Super Bowl or anything (no offense to any Clevelanders in the house).
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Posted: 11/12/2013 12:17 AM
Here's an interesting turn-

This article about the Colbert Report sites "a study done at the University of Ohio" (question #4), but when you click on the link it sites a study from Ohio State.

Would be mad if Ohio University was called University of Ohio, would be mad if Ohio State was referred to Ohio University, but OSU referred to as University of Ohio? Pretty funny.
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Posted: 11/12/2013 12:43 AM
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Notre Dame exploits a desire among evangelicals to support something simply because of a perceived commonality of values and beliefs.You're not just rooting for the Irish, you're rooting for Jesus. Same thing for Buckeye bandwagoners who think OSU represents the whole dam state, and thus represents them.


Well if rooting for Notre Dame is rooting for Jesus, then rooting for O$U is like rooting for....

Hmmm, I'll let you fill in the blank!
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Posted: 11/12/2013 3:00 AM
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I realize that's not a popular opinion around here, and some people may look down on it, but oh well. 

Monroe will now dismiss you hence forth.

How can you justify that, anyone have ideas?

It's not justifiable, at all.  I root for OSU, always....

...except when they play the Green and White.  Go Cats.


Does anyone have any idea what any of the above means.  Hint:  It's in a language that is, apparently, somewhat close to English.
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Posted: 11/12/2013 9:03 AM
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Those great philosophers, The Beach Boys, many years ago summed it up quite succinctly.  Not following the sage advice from the Rock n Roll greats is simply un-American. 

Care to elaborate as to what is was that they summed up?

 


You can have fun, fun, fun until your daddy takes your T-Bird away. Duh.
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Posted: 11/12/2013 9:30 AM
I grew up in Central Ohio, my dad went to Ohio State, so in spite of being a graduate of Ohio University I will still root for Ohio State. Of course I'll always root for the Bobcats more when they play each other, but I won't apologize for being an Ohio State fan too. Just my two cents..
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Posted: 11/12/2013 10:01 AM
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I grew up in Central Ohio, my dad went to Ohio State, so in spite of being a graduate of Ohio University I will still root for Ohio State. Of course I'll always root for the Bobcats more when they play each other, but I won't apologize for being an Ohio State fan too. Just my two cents..


Every dollar you spend on TO$U clothes, games, key rings, hats, etc. is one dollar that the gap between the haves (TOSU) and the have lesses (Ohio) widens.  All you are doing is hurting us.  Congrats.
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Posted: 11/12/2013 10:12 AM
To me, this topic always comes down to this scenario.  Let's say it was the football team playing in Columbus this weekend.  The game was suppose to have been played in September, but a tornado went through.  No loss of life (so it is not like the Buckeyes are playing for the devastated people of Ohio), but officials were afraid of structural damage to the shoe. 

So the football team has a chance to knock off OSU.  Take them completely out of national championship consideration.  Yes, we would be heavy, heavy underdogs, but who do you root for?  I ask this because I know a number of folks that I went to school with that would have said #1 and I know a good number of folks that would answer #3....but really mean #2 (or say #2 but really feel #1).  (FYI - you are a zero if you select "0").

So here you go.  Ohio at OSU this weekend in football what do you do...

0. I'd stay out of this - I can't choose between my two loves.

1. I'd root for OSU - an Ohio victory would be great, but a national championship is hard to come by.  Sorry, need to say "go Buckeyes."....but I'd want Ohio to play well.

2. I'd root for Ohio, but wouldn't mind an OSU win and Oho to play well - works for both teams.

3. I'd root for Ohio.  While I know it would ruin OSU's chance for a national championship and open up the team to the ridiculing world in the SEC as being posers, I always root for Ohio - no matter what.

4. Hell Yes I'd root for Ohio.  This is perfect.  We get a statement win.  We knock OSU out of National Championship contention and We open the door for the Buckeyes to be ridiculed and stomped on across the nation as posers that should never be considered for a National Championship.

To me, any answer but #4 is disappointing.  But I appreciate those from the state of Ohio that bleed green and honestly say #3.

So, what do you say?
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