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Posted: 12/18/2013 10:01 PM
I can handle losses as long as they are at the hands of better teams, and UMass is better than we are. None of that Winthrop crap. Their height and length bothered us all game. I don't question our desire to win, but we had some real bonehead execution lapses on both ends of the floor.

Maurice was Maurice, and I thought Jon played his ass off. Jon may be the smallest center in the country, but you can count on him to bring an honest effort against guys who may be three inches and 40 pounds bigger. Outside of those two, I didn't think any of our other guys played particularly well.

Putney has one of the smoothest shooting forms I've ever seen.
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Posted: 12/18/2013 10:01 PM
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UMASS  -Shot 60.4% for the game. WOW. That is all.

What did Ohio shoot?  I expect that our outside shooting was no more then 20 percent, especially our 3-ball percentage was very bad.   When you are shooting airball threes, you are very tight.  I think we came into the game with too much adrenaline.  In the beginning we were overshooting a lot of attempts, which usually means your too pump up.  After spotting them a ten point lead we basically played them even the rest of the game but could never overcome that poor start.  

 
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Posted: 12/18/2013 10:04 PM
Not much to be excited about after this blow out loss.  Taylor/Willis need to pick up their games or this will be a very mediocre team come conference play. We just are not a top 100 team right now. Christian will have to do some recruiting this year.  He has an average at best backcourt. Neither Taylor/Willis are all-MAC caliber. With an undersized frontline you better have superior guards especially at the point. So far Ohio is getting mediocre play from Taylor/Willis.  Smith, Johnson and Hall are just role players. Kellogg and N'Dour must have big games for Ohio to overcome the mediocrity at other positions.    
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Posted: 12/18/2013 10:32 PM
Agree that UMass is very good. Solid in all phases. Impressed with the way they move the ball and their size was a huge problem for us, which we kind of figured going in. The most disappointing thing was how many times their guys just sailed down the lane and weren't even challenged. It seemed like nearly every basket we got, other than a couple of stretches, was a painstaking process. Their size was a factor. And when we got some good looks, we didn't convert. We would have had to play close to a perfect game, as far as shooting, keeping key guys on the floor. Funny, we held our own on the boards, took care of the ball reasonably well and there wasn't much difference in fouls .     
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Posted: 12/18/2013 11:08 PM
UMass is a great team this year. Hard to find any significant weaknesses. I think their best asset is they are not only quick - but DECISIVE - no pauses, quick at EVERYTHING.
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Posted: 12/18/2013 11:08 PM
My takeaways from this are generally good ones as we played a top 25 team who played a very good game. We played very well at times too. Every time they threatened to put the game out of reach, we hung tough, came back a little and we stayed in the game til the end. Sorry, but this was not a blow out loss as someone said.

UMass shot the lights out from outside the arc. It happens. Today, they lived by the 3 and it worked. They shot 64% from 3. The difference in 3 point shooting between the teams was 12 points, which is what we lost by. And we missed 16 3's!

Ndour stayed amazingly active throughout. The 1st half alley-oop slam is the best one I can remember from a Bobcat at the Convo, and I was here through the Trent years.

John Smith continues to improve and it looks like he's developing a short range jumper which will give us another offensive option.

Don't agree with the decision to sit Kellogg for the remainder of the 1st half with only 2 fouls. His missed minutes cost us. He ended up with 3 fouls. But, overall, I thought Christian made good decisions in player matchups.

Johnson is a workhorse and Hall gave us some good numbers (8 & 7) in 15 minutes.

It was a good learning experience and showed we can play with the big boys. Even though they are better than us, this is a game we could have won if they didn't shoot the lights out. And how many rim bounces dropped for them and didn't for us. 

I never like losing but this was a good game overall, and, sure, there are things we need to work on-  tighten up on defense, take some of the shots that we passed on in the first 15 seconds of the shot clock- but I came away more positive about this team.



 




 









 
Last Edited: 12/19/2013 12:17:16 AM by stub
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Posted: 12/18/2013 11:13 PM
The last page of this thread says it all (then why am I posting, I don't know either?).  Guess I'm just summarizing?

*UMASS had way too many unabated paths to the hoops for easy buckets
*Unless Nick and Maurice go off we have little chance against top flight competition
*The substitution pattern was bizarre and often left too many guys on the court at one time who can't be counted on to score consistently
*UMASS is just flat out better and we have to have a hot night shooting to have a chance in this type of game, which we did not.

Can't fault the teams effort tonight, I think they gave it their best shot.  I just go back to my belief all season, even when we've looked better than we all thought we'd be.  That being, and this point was stated here as well, this is an incomplete roster.  Simpy not enough guys that can consistently score the ball.  Too many role players and not enough go-to players to have much of an upside beyond possibly being a top third of the league MAC team.  That still means we can have a very nice MAC season, but not nearly enough to hang banners or compete against the likes of a Top 20 team.  Not criticizing the players here, though it may seem that way, we just are who we are.  I hope I'm wrong and we develop beyond this potential during the course of the season, which is possible, I just don't think we have the proper tools in the toolbox to get the job done at a high level.
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Posted: 12/18/2013 11:33 PM
I just looked at Coach C's quotes and found I agreed with everything.  I have never seen a Bobcat team allow so many open-lane drives to the basket.  We will not win many games with defense like I saw tonite.  On a couple of UMass drives we looked like a bunch of statues.  60% shooting by UMAss? No excuse!

By the same token, UMASS is legit.  We'll see if they can withstand the inevitable slumps, injuries and other assorted obstacles down the road, but right now they look like one of the top dozen teams in the country.  We will not see big men like Lalanne and especially Esho the rest of the year.  These guys could play for about anyone.  Take Ndour away--and he's not really a classic inside big man anyway--and there's no way you could say the same for our bigs.  

On offense, a number of good lucks, but shots just didn't drop. 

Yes we played hard, particularly in the second half, but not 1 guy can say his defensive play was acceptable. There are some really talented guys on our team.  Coaching staff and players need to get it straightened out.

Oh, and make your effing free throws guys!
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Posted: 12/18/2013 11:39 PM
The team did everything right tonight except hit the shots when it mattered. They were there we just missed. Defensively yeah we gave up some easy buckets but I was really impressed with how they played at times, especially john smith. It felt like we created a lot of turnovers as a team.(15) If this team starts knocking down its shots late in the year i'm betting we see a run like a JC team of old. May sound bold but we have hung in with two very good teams in OSU and UMASS. Both undefeated. Both some of the best in the country. I see by no stretch of the imagination that if we hit 1/3 of our threes come tourney time we will be a very very very difficult team to beat. Even if we play how we did tonight we will be at the top of the MAC with ease
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Posted: 12/18/2013 11:46 PM
stub wrote:expand_more
The 1st half alley-oop slam is the best one I can remember from a Bobcat at the Convo, and I was here through the Trent years.

 

I put it at 2nd best by a Bobcat I have seen in all my years - right behind the Trent trailing Geno off the glass. Unfortunately the best by anyone I have seen has to go to a "Redskin" - Harper 360 off a steal - the whole place had to acknowledge that one.........applause and lot's of ooh's and aah's.............
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Posted: 12/19/2013 7:06 AM
Our three-pt shooting has been the problem the last two losses.  At Oakland we shot 12.5%!!! (3-24); last night it was 23.8% (5-23).  I don't remember seeing a lot of ill-advised shots; we were open but they weren't going down.  Bad form or just bad luck.  UMass was hitting even contested threes. 
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Posted: 12/19/2013 8:01 AM
Not going to win a ton of games with what we are getting out of the point guard position. Stevie's confidence has been shot since Ohio State. He did have his moment against Morgan State. Bean hasn't impressed me at all. It was my concern before the season started and it's starting to show. 

We have two guys at the point who can't drive consistently and dish effectively. They also can't shoot the 3 ball with any type of consistency. Christian has his work cut out for him. Hope Kendall Crute can play some point next year. 
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Posted: 12/19/2013 8:10 AM
I think the real problem with this team is there are 3-4 guys on this team that as of now have no business getting playing time at a D1 program
Nick- Maurice and John are playing well.
Bean is Ok.
TJ and Ricky and Stevie have potential.
The rest of these guys seem like they either don't know what they are doing or can't do what they are supposed to do.
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Posted: 12/19/2013 8:21 AM
The defense was terrible.  We missed a bunch of good-look shots.  A bunch.  And Ndour just couldn't get it done like he wanted to.

The effort was there I thought.

It is just one game of 30.  On to Richmond.....
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Posted: 12/19/2013 9:21 AM
Nice game, Ohio.  We shot well, you didn't, comes down to that.  I was impressed with your toughness and heart, could have folded a few times but kept coming.  You just couldn't get a couple stops when you needed.

I thought we played pretty well, outside of turnovers and free throw shooting.  Your strategy was sound, collapsing everyone on Lalanne and making others beat you.  What's made us tough this year is that we do indeed have others who can beat you. 

I'm sure you'll contend for the MAC title.  EMU looked good against us, but I'd put you guys a notch above them.  Best of luck.

-A
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Posted: 12/19/2013 10:08 AM
I thought the game was similar to the OSU game in that I thought we played pretty well against a very good team, but was frustrated with a slow start and that we couldn't do the couple of things that could have tilted it in our favor.  Yes, they had 5-6 easy drives to the hoop where the defense failed to seal off the lane, and they had 3-4 wide open looks from 3, but overall I don't think the defense was atrocious.  Umass is good, better than I expected.  Williams can control things amidst chaos, and Putney and Carter have sweet strokes.

I think Umass planned to defend Ndour and the paint and make us beat them on the perimeter and we couldn't do it.  We could've used Tommy Freeman or Bubba Walther in this one because they gave us plenty of room behind the arc but we couldn't find many looks toeing the line.

I still think we could beat these guys, it just didn't go our way last night.  It's upsetting, but it isn't some big reveal that we just aren't any good this year as some have suggested...I think that is ridiculous.

I loved watching Santa pace the sidelines and yell at the players, well done.  Also why did Umass have so many guys in suits.  I think the team had more of a posse than they did actual team members.
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Posted: 12/19/2013 10:33 AM

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I still think we could beat these guys, it just didn't go our way last night.  It's upsetting, but it isn't some big reveal that we just aren't any good this year as some have suggested...I think that is ridiculous.

Agree completely.
 

 

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Posted: 12/19/2013 10:56 AM
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Nice game, Ohio.  We shot well, you didn't, comes down to that.  I was impressed with your toughness and heart, could have folded a few times but kept coming.  You just couldn't get a couple stops when you needed.

I thought we played pretty well, outside of turnovers and free throw shooting.  Your strategy was sound, collapsing everyone on Lalanne and making others beat you.  What's made us tough this year is that we do indeed have others who can beat you. 

I'm sure you'll contend for the MAC title.  EMU looked good against us, but I'd put you guys a notch above them.  Best of luck.

-A


You guys have a good team.  Obviously a lot of scoring options, and that was one of the best shooting performances I have seen in some time.  Putney was huge in the first half, Esho was big the whole game, everyone that UMASS put on the floor seemed dangerous.  Very good squad.  I have little shame in the loss, we had opportunities to get it close and every time, shots wouldn't fall and UMASS would rip off 3 quick baskets and make it a 13 point game again.  TJ's second half open 3 ball that would have cut it to 4 points would have been enormous, it felt like momentum was starting to shift, then UMASS goes on another run after the miss.  I give our guys credit for not folding and getting blown out of the building.  In the grand scheme of things I think we learn from a loss to a solid team and have some positives to take away from it.  There's just no way you're going to beat anyone that shoots 60% from the floor.
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Posted: 12/19/2013 12:34 PM
Tommy Freeman was in the stands last night, we should have put him in his old #24 jersey at halftime and ran him out there like he's Wilkins for the second half.
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Posted: 12/19/2013 1:00 PM
Disappointing loss but not a terrible loss. UMASS did a lot of really good things.  Their quickness was a factor in our poor shooting, I think.  Our ball movement was pretty good but they still stepped up to every recipient.  When we finally got an open shot it seemed like they were a bit more quick than usual.  Early on UMASS #3 was great at changing shots, not in the usual way, but by hitting the arm or elbow of Nick which seemed to work well as the game progressed in hurrying our shots.

UMASS is a good team but we did not give up.  Those uncontested drives to the basket were very frustrating but it looked like it was not a total lack of concentration or effort but more like a concentration on another person or something else..still not good but better than giving up.

Also agree that some guys are not quite ready for this level of play.  Coach said the same thing in his post game comments.  Said it is to be expected for young players but still  has to be fixed. Stevie and Bean each bring something different to the floor and right now it seems that no one is very comfortable with either direction.  Sometimes I think if both were on the floor at the same time it would be fun. That is why I am not the coach.

I am more positive about the possibilities of this team than not. Our guard play has to be more consistent on both ends of the floor.  Still like the role players and what seems like some interesting attempts by JC to find a mix that brings consistency.  Also like the overall intensity.  Thought a couple time last night there was some shoulder drooping when we just could not get over the hump but it was short lived.  (have to ask though what happened in the first half when Nick went out of game..while standing on the foul line before coming out he seemed really upset with someone on sidelines then did not get back in the game for most of the half..did he have foul trouble?)




 
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Posted: 12/19/2013 1:01 PM
Would anyone argue that this UMass team might be better on the offensive end than O$U?  Despite the defensive struggles for Ohio, I was impressed with the top 7 guys that UMass had offensively speaking.  All were offense threats.
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Posted: 12/19/2013 1:55 PM
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Would anyone argue that this UMass team might be better on the offensive end than O$U?  Despite the defensive struggles for Ohio, I was impressed with the top 7 guys that UMass had offensively speaking.  All were offense threats.


I didn't see a weak link or liability in their lineup.
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Posted: 12/19/2013 1:58 PM
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Would anyone argue that this UMass team might be better on the offensive end than O$U?  Despite the defensive struggles for Ohio, I was impressed with the top 7 guys that UMass had offensively speaking.  All were offense threats.


I was thinking this during the game last night. 
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Posted: 12/19/2013 5:51 PM
Another thing we talking about were the "handles" that Chaz Williams has.  Went in between guys on a couple occasions and made it look pretty effortless.
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