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Posted: 3/17/2014 8:51 PM
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the cost to host a game is $30,000. Tickets are $10 a piece. I admit I had to take my math elective twice but I think that comes out to about 3,000 tickets sold to break even. That doesn't seem unreasonable at all.


Just to get the full picture (not to argue either way), aren't there costs to staff the facility, costs for beverages (though selling those brings in more revenues), costs to heat the facility, etc.  I hope that we run EVERY event at (at least) a small profit.

I think Ohio is probably one of the few teams that can make a profit, so of all schools to take part in this, I'd have to think we'd be one that would without a doubt do it.

 
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Posted: 3/17/2014 11:00 PM
I didn't tune in but based on Arkley's twitter JC went ham on tonight's radio show regarding UB not accepting a tournament bid. Said it was selfish and hurt the league.
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Posted: 3/18/2014 7:53 AM
The PTI boys had an interesting take on this issue. They seem to think there should be two tournaments, major and mid-major. Make the NCAA Tournament the major tournament that everyone tries to get in, even mid-majors. But then, as soon as the mid-major is knocked out, they get bracketed into the 2nd tier tournament (NIT, CBI, etc.) against other teams that didn't make into the NCAA Tournament.

Not a bad idea.
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Posted: 3/18/2014 3:22 PM
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I didn't tune in but based on Arkley's twitter JC went ham on tonight's radio show regarding UB not accepting a tournament bid. Said it was selfish and hurt the league.


There wasn't a radio show Monday night.
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Posted: 3/18/2014 3:23 PM
GoCats105 wrote:expand_more
The PTI boys had an interesting take on this issue. They seem to think there should be two tournaments, major and mid-major. Make the NCAA Tournament the major tournament that everyone tries to get in, even mid-majors. But then, as soon as the mid-major is knocked out, they get bracketed into the 2nd tier tournament (NIT, CBI, etc.) against other teams that didn't make into the NCAA Tournament.

Not a bad idea.


I'm not sure I'm understanding how this is different from the current system.
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Posted: 3/18/2014 4:40 PM
Jeff McKinney wrote:expand_more
The PTI boys had an interesting take on this issue. They seem to think there should be two tournaments, major and mid-major. Make the NCAA Tournament the major tournament that everyone tries to get in, even mid-majors. But then, as soon as the mid-major is knocked out, they get bracketed into the 2nd tier tournament (NIT, CBI, etc.) against other teams that didn't make into the NCAA Tournament.

Not a bad idea.


I'm not sure I'm understanding how this is different from the current system.


Say Ohio is a #14 seed in the NCAA Tournament and loses in the first round. They would then be seeded into the NIT or CBI or CIT.

They were thinking along the lines of there only being two tournaments, period.
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Posted: 3/18/2014 6:13 PM
Ok, thx.
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Posted: 3/18/2014 10:05 PM
The reasons most of you give for playing is that you just want to watch more games. For the record, my hearing is fine and I don't use a hearing aid. There is a generational difference of opinion and certainly the younger folks are used to 300 channels and the world at your fingertips on your smart phone, so what's a few more games? Instant entertainment 24/7 and I want my bobcats to keep playing. This sort of thinking is what will ultimately lead to the downfall of the present model of intercollegiate athletics. As we speak there is a lawsuit against the NCAA and football players joining unions. Soon the players will be paid. We've already played 34 games. If we go all the way in this farce we will have played 39 games. Don't these kids go to school? Combine that with huge TV contracts and coaches salaries and we don't really have amateur athletics any longer. Borna says we have to keep the players in a routine and engaged. Isn't there enough stimulation on a college campus to keep the kids attention? What about studying and learning to grow up? They won't play sports their whole life and better get used to living a normal life. I've said we will learn nothing about our team will don't already know by playing these games. How many of you just keep making sales calls or scheduling meetings without a clear agenda? In my opinion playing these games is the equivalent of that.
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Posted: 3/18/2014 10:15 PM
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The reasons most of you give for playing is that you just want to watch more games. For the record, my hearing is fine and I don't use a hearing aid. There is a generational difference of opinion and certainly the younger folks are used to 300 channels and the world at your fingertips on your smart phone, so what's a few more games? Instant entertainment 24/7 and I want my bobcats to keep playing. This sort of thinking is what will ultimately lead to the downfall of the present model of intercollegiate athletics. As we speak there is a lawsuit against the NCAA and football players joining unions. Soon the players will be paid. We've already played 34 games. If we go all the way in this farce we will have played 39 games. Don't these kids go to school? Combine that with huge TV contracts and coaches salaries and we don't really have amateur athletics any longer. Borna says we have to keep the players in a routine and engaged. Isn't there enough stimulation on a college campus to keep the kids attention? What about studying and learning to grow up? They won't play sports their whole life and better get used to living a normal life.
and then Henry Ford started making those new fangled motorized carriages and next thing you know there ain't no more danged hitchin posts in front of the General Store. Now how in the heck am I supposed to tie up my horse when I go into to town to fetch Granny's castor oil? Whole world's going to hell in a hand basket.
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Posted: 3/18/2014 11:15 PM
Eastern Michigan won its CIT game, not that many people in Ypsilanti were aware, as usual. Glenn Bryant wasn't too pleased with the attendance in the game or all season.
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Posted: 3/18/2014 11:49 PM
Free?!  We have to get these guys out of the conference, even if their athletics is heading in the right direction...Nothing will work long term without fan support.
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Posted: 3/18/2014 11:58 PM
giacomo wrote:expand_more
The reasons most of you give for playing is that you just want to watch more games. For the record, my hearing is fine and I don't use a hearing aid. There is a generational difference of opinion and certainly the younger folks are used to 300 channels and the world at your fingertips on your smart phone, so what's a few more games? Instant entertainment 24/7 and I want my bobcats to keep playing. This sort of thinking is what will ultimately lead to the downfall of the present model of intercollegiate athletics. As we speak there is a lawsuit against the NCAA and football players joining unions. Soon the players will be paid. We've already played 34 games. If we go all the way in this farce we will have played 39 games. Don't these kids go to school? Combine that with huge TV contracts and coaches salaries and we don't really have amateur athletics any longer. Borna says we have to keep the players in a routine and engaged. Isn't there enough stimulation on a college campus to keep the kids attention? What about studying and learning to grow up? They won't play sports their whole life and better get used to living a normal life. I've said we will learn nothing about our team will don't already know by playing these games. How many of you just keep making sales calls or scheduling meetings without a clear agenda? In my opinion playing these games is the equivalent of that.


Finally!  You explain yourself and now everything is clear.  Phew, I really thought you were just some sad nutcase.
Now that I understand you're simply trying to save intercollegiate athletics I'm totally on board.  Booooo Bobcats, Boooo CIT!   Booooo CBI!  We're against you because we want to SAVE COLLEGE BASKETBALL!!!
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Posted: 3/19/2014 12:35 AM
Mr. Ruck and i agree about NIU.  Actually, I believe the MAC should take the lead thrown out by the NCAA a few years back (but seemingly never enforced).  If you can't average 3000 in bball and 12,000 in fball why do you call yourself D1/BCS/FBS or whatever the hell it is now.

MAC Offices, grow some balls and throw out the imposters!

 
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Posted: 3/19/2014 1:51 AM
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Mr. Ruck and i agree about NIU. Actually, I believe the MAC should take the lead thrown out by the NCAA a few years back (but seemingly never enforced). If you can't average 3000 in bball and 12,000 in fball why do you call yourself D1/BCS/FBS or whatever the hell it is now.

MAC Offices, grow some balls and throw out the imposters!
you're so bent on complaining about something(anything) you don't even realize you're complaining about the wrong team.
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Posted: 3/19/2014 7:07 AM
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The reasons most of you give for playing is that you just want to watch more games. For the record, my hearing is fine and I don't use a hearing aid. There is a generational difference of opinion and certainly the younger folks are used to 300 channels and the world at your fingertips on your smart phone, so what's a few more games? Instant entertainment 24/7 and I want my bobcats to keep playing. This sort of thinking is what will ultimately lead to the downfall of the present model of intercollegiate athletics. As we speak there is a lawsuit against the NCAA and football players joining unions. Soon the players will be paid. We've already played 34 games. If we go all the way in this farce we will have played 39 games. Don't these kids go to school? Combine that with huge TV contracts and coaches salaries and we don't really have amateur athletics any longer. Borna says we have to keep the players in a routine and engaged. Isn't there enough stimulation on a college campus to keep the kids attention? What about studying and learning to grow up? They won't play sports their whole life and better get used to living a normal life.


and then Henry Ford started making those new fangled motorized carriages and next thing you know there ain't no more danged hitchin posts in front of the General Store. Now how in the heck am I supposed to tie up my horse when I go into to town to fetch Granny's castor oil? Whole world's going to hell in a hand basket.


There's a lot of validity to his argument, however. Our society's priorities are way out of whack.  

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Posted: 3/19/2014 11:11 AM
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Am I missing them somewhere or did Buffalo get squadooch in terms of post season play?  I don't see them listed with NIT, CBI, or CIT?

Buffalo declined their invite to one of the "C" tournaments.

 


It sort of makes sense to me that a team like Indiana thinks they are "above" the CBI, but Buffalo above the CIT?  Teams like Akron, Ohio, Murray St, Valpo, teams that have actually had success in the post season (or at least making the NCAA's) are playing in this thing.  What has Buffalo accomplished in their basketball history other than making the NIT and losing in the MAC Tournament that makes them above the CIT?
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Posted: 3/19/2014 11:36 AM
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The reasons most of you give for playing is that you just want to watch more games. For the record, my hearing is fine and I don't use a hearing aid. There is a generational difference of opinion and certainly the younger folks are used to 300 channels and the world at your fingertips on your smart phone, so what's a few more games? Instant entertainment 24/7 and I want my bobcats to keep playing. This sort of thinking is what will ultimately lead to the downfall of the present model of intercollegiate athletics. As we speak there is a lawsuit against the NCAA and football players joining unions. Soon the players will be paid. We've already played 34 games. If we go all the way in this farce we will have played 39 games. Don't these kids go to school? Combine that with huge TV contracts and coaches salaries and we don't really have amateur athletics any longer. Borna says we have to keep the players in a routine and engaged. Isn't there enough stimulation on a college campus to keep the kids attention? What about studying and learning to grow up? They won't play sports their whole life and better get used to living a normal life. I've said we will learn nothing about our team will don't already know by playing these games. How many of you just keep making sales calls or scheduling meetings without a clear agenda? In my opinion playing these games is the equivalent of that.


The world changes constantly.  Some changes are for the better, some not.  You seem desperate to cling to the way things are or were.  I got news for you. The ship you are waiting for has already sailed.  The days when actors were required to keep one foot on the ground when they were in bed are long gone.  The sports expectations of my youth are also long gone.  Baseball is no longer only played in the Spring and early summer.  Basketball isn't strictly a winter sport.   My ten year old plays basketball year round (save for the last three weeks of August) and wouldn't have it any other way. 

And the feeling that you have for the CIT/CBI tournaments is the same one that many had for the NIT when I was younger.  Times change.   The NIT* is no longer viewed as a loser tournament as much as it used to.  In time the CIT won't be either.  But there will always be something to complain about if a person just wants to howl at the moon.


*and yes, I know it used to be the biggie.
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Posted: 3/19/2014 2:33 PM
Hey perimeter, it was one of those times when my fingers didn't type what my mind was thinking!  

I guess you are right though, I should not complain about attendance at EMU athletic events because it is top notch.  That institution reflects what every school that plays at the highest levels of college sports only hopes to attain.  How could anyone ever question if they really deserve to be in this Conference?  In fact, how can anyone be negative about anything when things everywhere are so rosey and all things should be talked about in only a positive manner.

sheesh...

 


 







 
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Posted: 3/19/2014 2:55 PM
With Wright State winning last night, is there anyone that believes we will face anyone but them in the 2nd round should we win tonight? The fact that they pair teams after each round to keep them close regionally makes me believe another all-Ohio match up is coming should we win tonight.
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Posted: 3/19/2014 3:02 PM
We may not agree with giacomo, but remember that he's different from 98% of us on here...he's actually been a Div. I basketball player and knows what it's like.  And he's not exactly a geezer. 

So, I listen to him even when I disagree.  He makes some points which need to be considered. 
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Posted: 3/19/2014 5:06 PM
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With Wright State winning last night, is there anyone that believes we will face anyone but them in the 2nd round should we win tonight? The fact that they pair teams after each round to keep them close regionally makes me believe another all-Ohio match up is coming should we win tonight.


I say we either get put with Akron or VMI, if they win.
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Posted: 3/19/2014 6:19 PM
This is a master class in curmudgeony.

giacomo wrote:expand_more
The reasons most of you give for playing is that you just want to watch more games.


And you continue to ignore every argument that isn't this. Furthermore, as we're about to see, your argument is basically, "I don't think they should!"

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There is a generational difference of opinion and certainly the younger folks are used to 300 channels and the world at your fingertips on your smart phone, so what's a few more games?


I own neither a TV nor a smart phone. Most people my age don't spend for huge cable lineups.

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Instant entertainment 24/7 and I want my bobcats to keep playing.


So you're saying is previous generations hated it when the season kept going?

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This sort of thinking is what will ultimately lead to the downfall of the present model of intercollegiate athletics.


Whoops, we just took a left turn. Where are we?

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As we speak there is a lawsuit against the NCAA and football players joining unions. Soon the players will be paid.


What this has to do with the CIT: Nothing.

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We've already played 34 games. If we go all the way in this farce we will have played 39 games. Don't these kids go to school?


This is pure, undiluted, Grade A, 100% bull honky. At no point during the season have you made this complain. At no time during the Sweet 16 run did you make this complaint. When I was a student, I was, at various times and often several of these at once, the co-captain/officer/partial coach of the club tennis team, an O Zone officer, a writer and editor at The Post and Speakeasy Magazine, did freelance writing, had a job, volunteered, was involved with Reach Out on Campus, was the president of Sigma Theta Epsilon, and was a member of Athens Wargamers. Aside from that, I occasionally participated in intramural sports and had a satisfying social life. I was still able to earn grades good enough for the Dean's List and I had none of the advantages and amenities varsity athletes are afforded. So don't come here with that "but don't they do to class?" weak stuff.

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Combine that with huge TV contracts and coaches salaries and we don't really have amateur athletics any longer.


Great point when arguing against a tournament not on TV until the end.

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Borna says we have to keep the players in a routine and engaged. Isn't there enough stimulation on a college campus to keep the kids attention?


One should realize that was exactly his point.

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What about studying and learning to grow up?


I'm saddened you have so little respect for these men you think they can't do these things while playing.

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I've said we will learn nothing about our team will don't already know by playing these games. How many of you just keep making sales calls or scheduling meetings without a clear agenda? In my opinion playing these games is the equivalent of that.


Who said the goal was to learn things, again? You're telling me the extra experience for Campbell, Setty, and Willis will not be beneficial?
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Posted: 3/19/2014 6:25 PM
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We may not agree with giacomo, but remember that he's different from 98% of us on here...he's actually been a Div. I basketball player and knows what it's like.  And he's not exactly a geezer. 

So, I listen to him even when I disagree.  He makes some points which need to be considered. 


Not you Jeff, but on the football threads I enjoyed the consistent tolerance for my reality-based points of view.  Same type storey, different animus, I guess.
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Posted: 3/19/2014 6:43 PM
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Free?!  We have to get these guys out of the conference, even if their athletics is heading in the right direction...Nothing will work long term without fan support.

About 10 years ago every D1 school lost 10,000 fans due to the rising gas prices and increased entertainment competition from events marketed on the internet. OU's numbers started to slide and to combat this the administration made some proactive moves. One move was to establish family packs to keep the price affordable for families. The other big move was to get the Ozone going, a fanatical student group that students want to be a part of because of the intensity. There was a year in the mid 2000's where Ohio dropped off to 15,000 football and 5,000 basketball before it turned around. Over a course of a season probably 30,000 different people attend a football and 20,000 for basketball so losing 10,000 fans hurts but isn't mortal. Eastern Michigan only had 10,000 wanting to attend a basketball or football game total to begin with. That's why their fanbase completely disappeared all at once without the potential for salvaging it. How does a student to convince his friends to attend an Eastern Michigan game when nobody goes? That is an extremely hard sell. Its hard enough to convince friends to get to the Convo unless they have prior exposure to the program. Ohio has the advantage of a local community and a 100% residential campus for nice base of support. The administration in Athens is more proactive and a greater attention to detail. You can see it from fan support to the marching 110 and what they've done with campus. How do you revive a fanbase that is dead? Its one thing to reenergize when its in critical condition like Miami's, its another to to revive when it's been in the grave for a decade like EMU's. EMU needs a miracle or an angel from heaven to magically fill the seats at this stage.
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Posted: 3/19/2014 9:05 PM
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