menu
Logo
99+
Bobcat Attack Menu
Logo
99+
Ohio Basketball Topic
Topic: 2014 CBI / CIT
Page: 2 of 5
JSF
General User
Member Since: 1/29/2005
Location: Houston, TX
Post Count: 6,580
mail
JSF
mail
Posted: 3/16/2014 9:20 PM
settings_applications edit_note
At this point, I hate all home games. Go on the road!
Mark Lembright '85
General User
ML85
Member Since: 8/22/2010
Location: Highland Heights, OH
Post Count: 2,460
person
mail
Mark Lembright '85
mail
Posted: 3/16/2014 9:21 PM
settings_applications edit_note
Nice-I love that matchup!  It's about time these two schools played each other.
Mark Lembright '85
General User
ML85
Member Since: 8/22/2010
Location: Highland Heights, OH
Post Count: 2,460
person
mail
Mark Lembright '85
mail
Posted: 3/16/2014 9:25 PM
settings_applications edit_note
JSF wrote:expand_more
At this point, I hate all home games. Go on the road!


If Ohio played CSU @ the Wolstein Center I bet more Ohio fans would attend than CSU.  CSU has a GREAT arena and they can't draw a crowd at that place.  It's a shame.
Last Edited: 3/16/2014 9:25:57 PM by Mark Lembright '85
JSF
General User
Member Since: 1/29/2005
Location: Houston, TX
Post Count: 6,580
mail
JSF
mail
Posted: 3/16/2014 9:26 PM
settings_applications edit_note
Mark Lembright '85 wrote:expand_more
At this point, I hate all home games. Go on the road!


If Ohio played CSU @ the Wolstein Center I bet more Ohio fans would attend than CSU.  CSU has a GREAT arena and they can't draw a crowd at that place.  It's a shame.


Yep, thumbs up for the Wolstein. Got to see Chris Paul's last college game there, an overtime (2 OT?) thriller against West Virginia. Not a bad seat in the place.
RSBobcat
General User
Member Since: 8/23/2010
Location: Columbus, OH
Post Count: 4,504
mail
RSBobcat
mail
Posted: 3/16/2014 9:38 PM
settings_applications edit_note
Great. I just happen to already need to be in Athens that day! When was the last time we played Cleveland State???
Andrew Ruck
General User
Member Since: 12/22/2004
Location: Columbus, OH
Post Count: 5,644
mail
Andrew Ruck
mail
Posted: 3/16/2014 9:53 PM
settings_applications edit_note
Eastern Michigan gets a home game...Oof.  Any word on Buffalo?
Last Edited: 3/16/2014 9:56:03 PM by Andrew Ruck
UpSan Bobcat
General User
Member Since: 8/30/2005
Location: Upper Sandusky, OH
Post Count: 3,817
mail
UpSan Bobcat
mail
Posted: 3/16/2014 10:12 PM
settings_applications edit_note
No postseason for Buffalo. Don't know if they got left out or turned down their chance.

Here is the CBI first-round schedule:
3/18/14Stony Brook @ Siena CollegeLoudonville, NYTBD  
3/19/14Hampton @ Penn State
University Park, Pa.TBD  
3/19/14Wyoming @ Texas A&MCollege Station, TexasTBD  
3/19/14Morehead State @ Illinois StateNormal, Ill.TBD  
3/19/14South Dakota State @ Old DominionNorfolk, Va.TBD  
3/19/14Princeton @ Tulane
New Orleans, La.TBD  
3/19/14Radford @ Oregon StateCorvallis, Ore.TBD  
3/19/14Fresno State @ UTEPEl Paso, TexasTBD 

 
giacomo
General User
G
Member Since: 11/20/2007
Post Count: 2,763
person
mail
giacomo
mail
Posted: 3/16/2014 10:21 PM
settings_applications edit_note
Last Edited: 3/16/2014 10:22:29 PM by giacomo
GroverBall
General User
GB
Member Since: 12/3/2012
Location: Athens, OH
Post Count: 1,294
person
mail
GroverBall
mail
Posted: 3/16/2014 10:26 PM
settings_applications edit_note
giacomo wrote:expand_more
You can mock me all you like, but no one has given a good reason to play these games in the CIT/CBI. Forgive me for being old fashioned, but simply playing these games because they exist is not a good reason. Please tell me what it does for us. I have given you my reasons, but other than taking good natured pot shots, you haven't counter punched effectively. Me thinks you are mesmerized by the idea of playing in the post season, no matter how watered down it may be.

Good reasons:

I like to watch OU basketball games.

This OU team likes to play basketball games.

I like to watch Nick Kellogg play college basketball games.

Nick Kellogg likes to play college basketball games.

Go ahead, ask him.

Good enough for me.

 
giacomo
General User
G
Member Since: 11/20/2007
Post Count: 2,763
person
mail
giacomo
mail
Posted: 3/16/2014 10:38 PM
settings_applications edit_note
I've given you my reasons for not playing in the third and fourth tier tournaments. Other than accusing me of being old fashioned and out of date, no one has given a counter argument. What if we were Ball State and they created yet another tourney, for those that didn't even make the CBI/CIT. Should we play in that affair?
RSBobcat
General User
Member Since: 8/23/2010
Location: Columbus, OH
Post Count: 4,504
mail
RSBobcat
mail
Posted: 3/16/2014 10:41 PM
settings_applications edit_note
giacomo wrote:expand_more
I've given you my reasons for not playing in the third and fourth tier tournaments. Other than accusing me of being old fashioned and out of date, no one has given a counter argument. What if we were Ball State and they created yet another tourney, for those that didn't even make the CBI/CIT. Should we play in that affair?

GroverBall nailed it 'bout as good as you can.



 
OUBobcat13
General User
OUB13
Member Since: 12/8/2005
Location: Cincinnati, OH
Post Count: 285
person
mail
OUBobcat13
mail
Posted: 3/16/2014 10:41 PM
settings_applications edit_note
More practice time. In this case, another home game for seniors as well.
JSF
General User
Member Since: 1/29/2005
Location: Houston, TX
Post Count: 6,580
mail
JSF
mail
Posted: 3/16/2014 10:49 PM
settings_applications edit_note
giacomo wrote:expand_more
Other than accusing me of being old fashioned and out of date, no one has given a counter argument.


This is simply untrue. We've given you reasons on multiple occasions. You have ignored them, so why bother beating our heads against the wall?
bigtillyoopsupsideurhead
General User
Member Since: 12/1/2006
Location: Cincinnati
Post Count: 1,926
mail
bigtillyoopsupsideurhead
mail
Posted: 3/16/2014 10:51 PM
settings_applications edit_note
giacomo wrote:expand_more
What if we were Ball State and they created yet another tourney, for those that didn't even make the CBI/CIT. Should we play in that affair?

We're not Ball State. We're Ohio. Ball State won 5 games this year. We won 23. Do you see the difference? 

 
RSBobcat
General User
Member Since: 8/23/2010
Location: Columbus, OH
Post Count: 4,504
mail
RSBobcat
mail
Posted: 3/16/2014 10:55 PM
settings_applications edit_note
bigtillyoopsupsideurhead wrote:expand_more
[QUOTE=giacomo] What if we were Ball State and they created yet another tourney, for those that didn't even make the CBI/CIT. Should we play in that affair?

Supply and demand - at some point there is not a profitable return for the tourney organizers. Your one ticket purchase decision is inconsequential in the bigger picture (or your one person/potential consumer advertising appeal to sponsors).

 
OhioStunter
General User
Member Since: 2/18/2005
Location: Chicago
Post Count: 2,516
mail
OhioStunter
mail
Posted: 3/16/2014 11:01 PM
settings_applications edit_note
UpSan Bobcat wrote:expand_more
No postseason for Buffalo. Don't know if they got left out or turned down their chance.

Here is the CBI first-round schedule:
3/18/14Stony Brook @ Siena CollegeLoudonville, NYTBD  
3/19/14Hampton @ Penn State
University Park, Pa.TBD  
3/19/14Wyoming @ Texas A&MCollege Station, TexasTBD  
3/19/14Morehead State @ Illinois StateNormal, Ill.TBD  
3/19/14South Dakota State @ Old DominionNorfolk, Va.TBD  
3/19/14Princeton @ Tulane
New Orleans, La.TBD  
3/19/14Radford @ Oregon StateCorvallis, Ore.TBD  
3/19/14Fresno State @ UTEPEl Paso, TexasTBD 

 


Buffs said they were too good for tournaments that begin with a C.

Buffs equivalent of giacomo rejoicing.

http://www.cleveland.com/marchmadness/index.ssf/2014/03/a...

Last Edited: 3/16/2014 11:02:40 PM by OhioStunter
bornacatfan
General User
Member Since: 8/3/2006
Post Count: 5,752
mail
bornacatfan
mail
Posted: 3/16/2014 11:02 PM
settings_applications edit_note
GroverBall wrote:expand_more
You can mock me all you like, but no one has given a good reason to play these games in the CIT/CBI. Forgive me for being old fashioned, but simply playing these games because they exist is not a good reason. Please tell me what it does for us. I have given you my reasons, but other than taking good natured pot shots, you haven't counter punched effectively. Me thinks you are mesmerized by the idea of playing in the post season, no matter how watered down it may be.

Good reasons:

I like to watch OU basketball games.

This OU team likes to play basketball games.

I like to watch Nick Kellogg play college basketball games.

Nick Kellogg likes to play college basketball games.

Go ahead, ask him.

Good enough for me.

 

I think many have given giacomo many good reasons but he seems to have lost his hearing aid. You only hear as well as you listen and you are not listening giacomo

This is the new age.of college ball. 
-there are now 341 clubs playing D1 ball
-150+ of those have been added since the 70's 
-the tourney has grown exponentially in money since the 70's as has basketball in notariety
-there is value in these tourneys to recruits and teams on the rise 
-there is value in the extra reps, practice and team building
-Multiple teams including Wichita St, Butler, VCU, SLU have started their tourney success using these tourneys as a springboard. There are quite a few more but appearances here have put these programs on firm ground going forward.
-Multiple teams that have eschewed these tourneys went the other way. (and now are accepting bids as they see the value)
-the kids want to play (I have direct evidence of that at multiple Universities, you have not produced first hand evidence to the contrary)
- the worst time in a student athlete's basketball life is when they are not engaged, spring is absolutely the worst. Ohio with it;s fests is a nightmare. Keeping them engaged gives them more of the routine they are used to pre and intraseason 
-post season play still helps with recruiting whether you choose to believe it or not, especially at a mid major.
-the market is adjusting. The NCAA owns the NIT. They have prepared a finite number of spots between NCAA and NIT. The market says there should be more for the 341 soon to be over 350 teams. It is creating more outside the structure based on demand. 

The expansion from a regional format met resistance
The expansion from 32 met resistance 
The expansion from conference champions only met resistance
The expansion from one conference rep met resistance. 







 
Casper71
General User
C71
Member Since: 12/1/2006
Post Count: 3,237
person
mail
Casper71
mail
Posted: 3/16/2014 11:42 PM
settings_applications edit_note
Good for Buffalo.  They had a stated goal early on, evidently.  That goal was to be in the NCAA or NIT, the two BEST tournaments.  I suppose they made a decision early on not to play in one of the two "leftovers" tournaments.  I guess i am old fashioned too, I remember when ONLY league Champs actually played in the NCAA Tournament and the NIT was for some really good teams.

Now, with the CIT and CBI tournaments teams just a bit better than average get to extend their year.  To me, these two tournaments are the equivalent of youth sports where everyone is given a trophy just for participating.  

Sorry... 

 
cc-cat
General User
C
Member Since: 4/5/2006
Location: matthews, NC
Post Count: 4,016
person
mail
cc-cat
mail
Posted: 3/16/2014 11:54 PM
settings_applications edit_note
giacomo wrote:expand_more
You can mock me all you like, but no one has given a good reason to play these games in the CIT/CBI.
Nick and the other seniors want to play. No other reason is needed.
perimeterpost
General User
Member Since: 7/6/2010
Post Count: 3,165
mail
perimeterpost
mail
Posted: 3/17/2014 12:13 AM
settings_applications edit_note
Casper71 wrote:expand_more
Good for Buffalo. They had a stated goal early on, evidently. That goal was to be in the NCAA or NIT, the two BEST tournaments. I suppose they made a decision early on not to play in one of the two "leftovers" tournaments. I guess i am old fashioned too, I remember when ONLY league Champs actually played in the NCAA Tournament and the NIT was for some really good teams.

Now, with the CIT and CBI tournaments teams just a bit better than average get to extend their year. To me, these two tournaments are the equivalent of youth sports where everyone is given a trophy just for participating.

Sorry...

are you one of those people that goes through life expressing total outrage at the tiniest of perceived slights that nobody else notices? Did you see the way the waiter looked at me?! Why aren't there any napkins in the dispenser?! Is it snowing today just to spite me?! and on and on..

no sane person draws a line between the NIT and CIT that is as severe as you imagine it. As if one tournament is a noble and just cause and the other is a disgraceful crime against humanity. its really weird.
Last Edited: 3/17/2014 12:36:03 AM by perimeterpost
Chicken George
General User
CG
Member Since: 1/3/2005
Post Count: 766
person
mail
Chicken George
mail
Posted: 3/17/2014 12:46 AM
settings_applications edit_note
In the world of business they often say, "people vote with their dollars."  In this case, our fans will vote next Wednesday night with their dollars/attendance in regards to whether they feel participating in the tournament is a good idea.  In regards to the players, they're still kids and kids love to play.  I'm sure playing beats hanging them up for good for the season.

As I look through the list of teams in the tournament I don't find even a single match-up the least bit compelling--not even Cleveland State.  I'm sure they're good, as are many of the others, just not as exciting as many of the teams we'd face in the larger two options we weren't chosen for.  Just seems like a lof of the types of teams we would normally not get excited about during our OOC schedule.  At the same time, I love Ohio basketball and any opportunity to view it.  Heck, I've been known to drive up and just watch practice.  So while I'll take the "under" on the guess of 5,500 fans in attendance, I'm voting with my dollars (credit card) and will take one more opportunity to watch my Bobcats realizing after this is a LOOOONNNGGG 5 month wait until Ohio Football starts. 
GroverBall
General User
GB
Member Since: 12/3/2012
Location: Athens, OH
Post Count: 1,294
person
mail
GroverBall
mail
Posted: 3/17/2014 12:51 AM
settings_applications edit_note
 
Yea, it really is weird.  If you love, or even like, a basketball team, and obviously then love/like to see them play basketball games, what sort of twisted logic makes you hate/not like seeing the team play if the game is organized by some different entity, whether it's an entity you respect or not?  It's another game your team is playing, another game you get to watch/follow, another chance for your team to hoop.  I'm just glad somebody, anybody, organized another game.  I'd enjoy watching them play at Ping against the usual 4 o'clock crowd let alone the respectable teams in the CIT.  

And then to get on here and declare it an abomination -- really it's just weird.

And what if Rico gets back on the court?  Man, there's so many reasons I'll enjoy the hell out of any game that's still to play.  I just feel sorry for these "fans" who seem to be in such pain that the team is still playing.  I'll be loud at the Convo on Wednesday + 5, I guess I hope these "fans" enjoy whatever hole they decide to crawl into that night to avoid the pain of following the game. 

Go Bobcats.


Last Edited: 3/17/2014 12:53:59 AM by GroverBall
Monroe Slavin
General User
MS
Member Since: 12/21/2004
Location: Oxnard, CA
Post Count: 9,121
person
mail
Monroe Slavin
mail
Posted: 3/17/2014 12:59 AM
settings_applications edit_note
There's no meeting of the minds here---some likes it, some doesn't.  That's okay.

Is Hurley behind Beefs refusal to play unless NCAA or NIT?  Not exactly adding to his rep, if so.


 
JSF
General User
Member Since: 1/29/2005
Location: Houston, TX
Post Count: 6,580
mail
JSF
mail
Posted: 3/17/2014 1:13 AM
settings_applications edit_note
Casper71 wrote:expand_more
To me, these two tournaments are the equivalent of youth sports where everyone is given a trophy just for participating. 


I hear this complaint from older generations on a surprisingly-regular basis and it baffles me. Why is that so upsetting?
Casper71
General User
C71
Member Since: 12/1/2006
Post Count: 3,237
person
mail
Casper71
mail
Posted: 3/17/2014 1:29 AM
settings_applications edit_note
Because shit teams that are 6th in a conference and lose 12 games are in the NCAA "Championship" hunt.  My feeling:  if it isn't league champs ONLY you might as well open it up to everyone and give not just the "Big 6" Conferences" also ran teams but every also ran team in the country an entry pass.  

 
Showing Messages: 26 - 50 of 101
reply
vertical_align_top
vertical_align_center
vertical_align_bottom
add_comment
chevron_backward
chevron_forward
MAC News Links



extra small (< 576px)
small (>= 576px)
medium (>= 768px)
large (>= 992px)
x-large (>= 1200px)
xx-large (>= 1400px)