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Posted: 3/18/2014 7:28 AM
I really hope the people who complain about the field in this tourney also object yearly to playing in the Beef O Brady and Idaho Potato Bowls.  Because hey, I guess if we don't get a BCS game, what's the point in going, right?
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Posted: 3/18/2014 8:03 AM
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I really hope the people who complain about the field in this tourney also object yearly to playing in the Beef O Brady and Idaho Potato Bowls.  Because hey, I guess if we don't get a BCS game, what's the point in going, right?


Two totally different things.
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Posted: 3/18/2014 8:46 AM
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I really hope the people who complain about the field in this tourney also object yearly to playing in the Beef O Brady and Idaho Potato Bowls.  Because hey, I guess if we don't get a BCS game, what's the point in going, right?


Two totally different things.


Meaningless post season play.  Don't complicate the basic nature of the two.
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Posted: 3/18/2014 9:32 AM
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I really hope the people who complain about the field in this tourney also object yearly to playing in the Beef O Brady and Idaho Potato Bowls.  Because hey, I guess if we don't get a BCS game, what's the point in going, right?


Two totally different things.


Meaningless post season play.  Don't complicate the basic nature of the two.


The BCS bowls and a few of the other long-time bowls (Sun, Gator, Liberty, etc.) are for the fans and the players.  The rest are largely for the players.  They're supposed to be a reward for a successful season; whether 6-6 or 7-5 is "successful" depends on the team's expectations going into the season.

The NIT/CBI/CIT are mostly for the players.  The NIT is mostly a reward (consolation prize?) for a successful season, although G'town (17-14) and WVU (17-15) probably don't view their seasons as a success.

I can see why some of the bigger schools don't want into the CBI.  Three of the 16 teams have losing records (Siena, Penn St and ODU).  I imagine it's tough for Penn St players to get excited about playing Hampton, or Oregon St to get fired up against Radford.  It's gotta make the fans yawn, too.

At least the CIT doesn't have any losing records this year, although two teams are at .500 (Pacific and San Diego) and a lot of them are just above .500.  Whether it's a reward for a "successful" season again depends on the team's expectations going into the season.  I'd say we had a successful season, though not as successful as we'd liked.  And it's a bit of a reward for our team because they get to suit up again for the home crowd and maybe spit out the bitter taste of the MAC tourney. 

As a fan, I care about them only as long as Ohio is still alive.  Whether any of these tourneys is meaningless depends on how the teams approach them and how they use the extra time on the court available to them.
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Posted: 3/18/2014 10:18 AM
Perhaps Hurley and Buffalo's seniors feared being embarrassed by their play in one of these tournaments. Buffalo finished an impressive 3-5 against teams that received bids to play in the 'We're too good to play in the CBI or CIT.'
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Posted: 3/18/2014 10:21 AM
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Frankly, this tournament is a pile of crap. Yeah, yeah, I'm excited we get to keep playing, but looking at the field I don't really see any reason we shouldn't make a deep run. I'm also not a fan of how it's the only postseason tournament to not feature a bracket, but I do understand why. I wish we were playing in one of the other three but better this one than nothing. 


They do need a home for the championship game.  Someplace people will want to go to in mid-March.  Someplace with a mid-major presence and a decent arena.  Vegas would be good.


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Posted: 3/18/2014 10:31 AM
Pataskala wrote:expand_more
I really hope the people who complain about the field in this tourney also object yearly to playing in the Beef O Brady and Idaho Potato Bowls.  Because hey, I guess if we don't get a BCS game, what's the point in going, right?


Two totally different things.


Meaningless post season play.  Don't complicate the basic nature of the two.


The BCS bowls and a few of the other long-time bowls (Sun, Gator, Liberty, etc.) are for the fans and the players.  The rest are largely for the players.  They're supposed to be a reward for a successful season; whether 6-6 or 7-5 is "successful" depends on the team's expectations going into the season.

The NIT/CBI/CIT are mostly for the players.  The NIT is mostly a reward (consolation prize?) for a successful season, although G'town (17-14) and WVU (17-15) probably don't view their seasons as a success.

I can see why some of the bigger schools don't want into the CBI.  Three of the 16 teams have losing records (Siena, Penn St and ODU).  I imagine it's tough for Penn St players to get excited about playing Hampton, or Oregon St to get fired up against Radford.  It's gotta make the fans yawn, too.

At least the CIT doesn't have any losing records this year, although two teams are at .500 (Pacific and San Diego) and a lot of them are just above .500.  Whether it's a reward for a "successful" season again depends on the team's expectations going into the season.  I'd say we had a successful season, though not as successful as we'd liked.  And it's a bit of a reward for our team because they get to suit up again for the home crowd and maybe spit out the bitter taste of the MAC tourney. 

As a fan, I care about them only as long as Ohio is still alive.  Whether any of these tourneys is meaningless depends on how the teams approach them and how they use the extra time on the court available to them.


Amen. 

I didn't say they were meaningless because I don't care or won't support the team in them, merely that there is largely nothing on the line and to make a point.  Winning the Tater Bowl makes us...what exactly? Other than Tater Bowl champs.  Winning the CIT would make us like # 117 in the country?  As far as reward or prize, it's pretty much meaningless, but if we're in it I'm fully invested.
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Posted: 3/18/2014 11:11 AM
Pataskala wrote:expand_more
I really hope the people who complain about the field in this tourney also object yearly to playing in the Beef O Brady and Idaho Potato Bowls.  Because hey, I guess if we don't get a BCS game, what's the point in going, right?


Two totally different things.


Meaningless post season play.  Don't complicate the basic nature of the two.


The BCS bowls and a few of the other long-time bowls (Sun, Gator, Liberty, etc.) are for the fans and the players.  The rest are largely for the players.  They're supposed to be a reward for a successful season; whether 6-6 or 7-5 is "successful" depends on the team's expectations going into the season.

The NIT/CBI/CIT are mostly for the players.  The NIT is mostly a reward (consolation prize?) for a successful season, although G'town (17-14) and WVU (17-15) probably don't view their seasons as a success.

I can see why some of the bigger schools don't want into the CBI.  Three of the 16 teams have losing records (Siena, Penn St and ODU).  I imagine it's tough for Penn St players to get excited about playing Hampton, or Oregon St to get fired up against Radford.  It's gotta make the fans yawn, too.

At least the CIT doesn't have any losing records this year, although two teams are at .500 (Pacific and San Diego) and a lot of them are just above .500.  Whether it's a reward for a "successful" season again depends on the team's expectations going into the season.  I'd say we had a successful season, though not as successful as we'd liked.  And it's a bit of a reward for our team because they get to suit up again for the home crowd and maybe spit out the bitter taste of the MAC tourney. 

As a fan, I care about them only as long as Ohio is still alive.  Whether any of these tourneys is meaningless depends on how the teams approach them and how they use the extra time on the court available to them.


The BCS Bowls are for the players, fans everyone.  Let's be honest, all the other bowls, all owned by ESPN other than the Sun Bowl, are meant to be TV programming for ESPN, nothing more than that.  That they are an award for the players, teams and their fans is a minor consequence as far as ESPN's concerned.  Their main purpose is programming.  Not that there's anything wrong with that-I love the bowls and enjoy watching most if not all of them. 

So in essence I agree-both the non-BCS bowls and the CIT/CBI are meaningless post-season play.  But that's OK.  If the teams want to go, and us fans want to see them play, I honestly don't see what the problem is.  The fact that they may be "meaningless" as far as determing a national champion doesn't make them any less enjoyable to watch for those so interested in watching or the players so interested in playing them.
Last Edited: 3/18/2014 11:11:43 AM by Mark Lembright '85
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Posted: 3/18/2014 12:15 PM
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I really hope the people who complain about the field in this tourney also object yearly to playing in the Beef O Brady and Idaho Potato Bowls.  Because hey, I guess if we don't get a BCS game, what's the point in going, right?


Two totally different things.


Meaningless post season play.  Don't complicate the basic nature of the two.


I was thinking more in lines of finances. The CBI and CIT are cost effective and allows the team to advance and play/practice even further into the season. Lower tier bowls games are by in large a waste of money for the chance to play one time. The only thing I see of value in those bowl games is the extra practice and game time. That's it.
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Posted: 3/18/2014 12:15 PM
A few borrowed quotes regarding decisions to accept or reject CIT bids.

The Yin:   “I sent the club a wire stating, PLEASE ACCEPT MY RESIGNATION. I DON'T WANT TO BELONG TO ANY CLUB THAT WILL ACCEPT ME AS A MEMBER.” ― Groucho Marx 

The Yang:  "Champions keep playing until they get it right." ― Billie Jean King

The black and the white:  "There are only two options regarding commitment; you’re either in or you’re out. There’s no such thing as life in-between." ― Pat Riley

Musically speaking:  "Different strokes for different folks." ―Sly & the Family Stone

For what it is worth, any bias communicated is intended as a reflection of my personal opinion on the matter.
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Posted: 3/18/2014 2:26 PM
Just why are these games meaningless? Because they aren't talked about on ESPN and dot.coms? Because our friends who are Ohio State fans say so? Because Bobby Hurley told you? Walk down behind the bench tomorrow night and tell the coaches and players what they're doing is meaningless.

Good for JC on what he said. And who is Buffalo to be turning down anything?
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Posted: 3/18/2014 3:00 PM
on Saturday Bobby Hurley tweeted out a pic of his son dressed head to toe in Duke gear with the caption "March Madness, Hurley Style!". C'mon man, stop reliving your glory days, you're the coach for the Buffalo Bulls, act like it. Later he sent out a tweet saying he's heartbroken his team didn't get to play under the brightest lights.

Good for JC for throwing some shade on this fool.
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Posted: 3/18/2014 3:31 PM
Former Ohio AD Harold McElhaney had a large Duke banner across the wall of his office. Not cool.

 
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Posted: 3/18/2014 3:42 PM
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on Saturday Bobby Hurley tweeted out a pic of his son dressed head to toe in Duke gear with the caption "March Madness, Hurley Style!". C'mon man, stop reliving your glory days, you're the coach for the Buffalo Bulls, act like it. Later he sent out a tweet saying he's heartbroken his team didn't get to play under the brightest lights.

Good for JC for throwing some shade on this fool.


I bet this will play well in NY after the debacle in Cleveland and the subsequent decline of an invite to a tournament.
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Posted: 3/18/2014 5:57 PM
100%Cat wrote:expand_more
on Saturday Bobby Hurley tweeted out a pic of his son dressed head to toe in Duke gear with the caption "March Madness, Hurley Style!". C'mon man, stop reliving your glory days, you're the coach for the Buffalo Bulls, act like it. Later he sent out a tweet saying he's heartbroken his team didn't get to play under the brightest lights.

Good for JC for throwing some shade on this fool.


I bet this will play well in NY after the debacle in Cleveland and the subsequent decline of an invite to a tournament.


If I was the Buffalo AD, I'd be in this jackwagon's ear the next chance I got.
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Posted: 3/18/2014 7:20 PM
How about we just win this damn thing?
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Posted: 3/18/2014 8:46 PM
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How about we just win this damn thing?

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Posted: 3/18/2014 10:43 PM
Im so confused as to how they decide the 2nd round opponents. Their website has like no info other than saying they use the "old NIT model" of selecting future round opponents. What does this mean? This seems bush league and open to manipulation by whoever runs this tournament
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Posted: 3/18/2014 11:36 PM
1of1st110 wrote:expand_more
A few borrowed quotes regarding decisions to accept or reject CIT bids.

The Yin:   “I sent the club a wire stating, PLEASE ACCEPT MY RESIGNATION. I DON'T WANT TO BELONG TO ANY CLUB THAT WILL ACCEPT ME AS A MEMBER.” ― Groucho Marx 

The Yang:  "Champions keep playing until they get it right." ― Billie Jean King

The black and the white:  "There are only two options regarding commitment; you’re either in or you’re out. There’s no such thing as life in-between." ― Pat Riley

Musically speaking:  "Different strokes for different folks." ―Sly & the Family Stone

For what it is worth, any bias communicated is intended as a reflection of my personal opinion on the matter.

1of1st110--Is there some meaning behind your handle?  Must be some stories you can tell...

 
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Posted: 3/19/2014 12:21 AM
I think we should all be jacked about watching the Cats play one more time! Whether it is the NCAA tourney, CIT, or the Miller's Chicken Invitational break dancing competition/basketball tourney, any chance to watch this great team sounds like a grand idea to me! 
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Im so confused as to how they decide the 2nd round opponents. Their website has like no info other than saying they use the "old NIT model" of selecting future round opponents. What does this mean? This seems bush league and open to manipulation by whoever runs this tournament


I'm guessing that all decisions are made by the selection committee. They attempt to pair geographically close teams every round, based on the history of this tournament. I'm not sure where I read this, but I also thought I read that home teams express interest to host, which I think would also be a factor in selection. Anyone else read that somewhere?
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Posted: 3/19/2014 6:59 AM
I can see where Buffalo may be coming from.  They didn't win a game in the MAC tourney, then they'd have to compete for public attention with the Sabres plus Syracuse and O$U who both are in Buffalo this week for the second and third rounds of the NCAA tourney.  They wouldn't want to play on the road and if they had a home game against somebody like Norfolk St, nobody would show up for it.  The press might not even be there.  That would be embarrassing.

I'm just glad that our guys can take the floor at the Convo for at least one more game, and against a pretty decent team that people have heard of.  Go Cats!
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Posted: 3/19/2014 9:34 AM
Here is an ironic headline.

"Eastern Michigan beats Norfolk State, 58-54 in CIT opener; players bemoan sparse attendance"

This is the final paragraph from story 

"After the game, multiple Eastern Michigan players took to Twitter to comment on the game's sparse attendance of 373, according to the official box score. EMU averaged 901 fans in 19 home games this year."



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Posted: 3/19/2014 9:46 AM
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Here is an ironic headline.
"Eastern Michigan beats Norfolk State, 58-54 in CIT opener; players bemoan sparse attendance" This is the final paragraph from story

"After the game, multiple Eastern Michigan players took to Twitter to comment on the game's sparse attendance of 373, according to the official box score. EMU averaged 901 fans in 19 home games this year."
they knew what they were getting into at EMU.
Why not just play for the enjoyment of the game. Doing what you love, as well as you can.
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Posted: 3/19/2014 10:02 AM
    This sort of thing always makes me wonder why a basketball recruit would choose many MAC schools over Ohio. I realize crowd size/atmosphere is only one of several possible factors a recruit takes into account. But I have to scratch my head when a high school recruit picks a Miami or BG or EMU over Ohio. This also applies to some degree to football as well.
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