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Posted: 4/2/2014 2:18 PM
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That one crazy fan wrote:expand_more
So which sport/sports do you wish to sacrifice?  Or do you want to raise the student general fee of $800 up another couple hundred dollars or more?


^This

Unless we are getting rid of football (which obviously isn't happening) we are never going to be able to commit the type of resourses required to get to the Gonzaga level.
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What is the "right" job?
JC has nothing to be embarrassed about in his stay in Athens.
I'm so sick of the Gonzaga, Creighton, Wichita State, etc. comparisons.


Why are you sick of those comparisons? That's what Ohio should strive to be, because with the budget constraints what they are, Ohio can't be a Kansas, Duke, or UCLA.


You may want to research the basketball budgets of "those" schools - Gonzaga, Creighton, Wichita State


I didn't say Ohio's budget was on par with those either. Not even close. But that's what Ohio should shoot for. 

Correct, they are not "comparisons" but rather "goals".


 

Shouldn't goals be realistic?

Gonzaga is in Spokane - population 209,525
Creighton is in Omaha - population 421,570
Wichita State is in Wichita - population 385,577

Athens has 23,755 citizens and a similar number of college students. The nearest major city worships at a scarlet and gray altar. What we have and what we have accomplished is already remarkable simply because of the circumstances we overcome. Can we do better? Definitely. Will we ever match the aforementioned programs in prominence? Not while we have the football hog to slop, and even if we didn't it would be hard to overcome the dual challenges of geography and the state's Bucknut fever.
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It depends on the the definition of success.  At BC, over a 6 year period if he can win 18+ games 4 of those years and (because it is the ACC) get invited to the dance, THEY would consider that success.  He will not be expected to break the ceiling of Duke, UNC, Cuse, etc.


For the short term they would but over the long haul they wouldn't. No fan wants to be "pretty good".  Ask Al Skinner about that.  People who aren't BC fans would consider it success but everyone is always looking for the team to take that next step.
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Jason Arkley has been tweeting his own THEORY that this is all a smoke screen by BC, a leaked distraction...


 
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What are BC fans saying?  Do they see JC as one of the front runners?  I know when Groce was being speculated, it was pandemonium among the Illini faithful, much of which hated the idea of hiring a mildly successful (regular season wise) MAC coach.
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OUVan wrote:expand_more
So which sport/sports do you wish to sacrifice?  Or do you want to raise the student general fee of $800 up another couple hundred dollars or more?


^This

Unless we are getting rid of football (which obviously isn't happening) we are never going to be able to commit the type of resourses required to get to the Gonzaga level.


I didn't wanna say it...but yeah that whole football thing.

And A-town has it right. It's a goal more than a comparison.
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Sorry, but if you're JC (and most of you are), you definitely consider it when someone suggests raising your pay by hundreds of thousands of the dollars.


I agree. I am just surprised Boston College would want him.


If I were him, I'd be embarrassed to leave Athens so soon after having accomplished NOTHING in his time here.


74% MAC wining percentage in 2 years here and 70% overall. That done with a team that had major injuries this year.

I know you worship Groce but his conference winning percentage was 53% and just 60% overall.

Most any person in most any job would be an idiot to NOT consider a job that might double or triple his/her pay.
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Recovering Journalist wrote:expand_more
What is the "right" job?
JC has nothing to be embarrassed about in his stay in Athens.
I'm so sick of the Gonzaga, Creighton, Wichita State, etc. comparisons.


I don't think the "right" job is the worst job in the ACC. Again, his odds of being fired are upwards of 50%. He could very well be an assistant coach in 5 years. If I'm in his shoes, I'm running the other direction. But we all have different attitudes towards risk.

You've got to be kidding. He's going to be guaranteed seven figures for probably five years for any contract... in the ACC. And it's not the right job? Some of you guys are totally irrational. He'd have to stay in Athens -- and succeed in Athens -- for about 15 years to get that kind of money.

If he's offered the job, he's gone, and anyone who says he's making a mistake just has hurt feelings.


Agreed.  Plus, no offense to all the alums, going to school in Athens and raising two young boys in Athens are entirely different scenarios.  The experiences available to his kids are far greater in a large metropolitan area. And anyone who says he should pass up $7 million is delusional.  Lastly, any coach worth his salt feels that he can make any situation work, especially if they are given the support system promised to them by the administration.  BC is making such a commitment.
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Andrew Ruck wrote:expand_more
What are BC fans saying?  Do they see JC as one of the front runners?  I know when Groce was being speculated, it was pandemonium among the Illini faithful, much of which hated the idea of hiring a mildly successful (regular season wise) MAC coach.


It's much of the same thing.  They see their program in a different light than the outside world.  I saw in one of the articles I read lamenting the fact that Wojo took a job in the "struggling" Big East over BC.  Is there any rational human that would consider the BC job a better job than Marquette?
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OUVan wrote:expand_more
So which sport/sports do you wish to sacrifice? Or do you want to raise the student general fee of $800 up another couple hundred dollars or more?


^This

Unless we are getting rid of football (which obviously isn't happening) we are never going to be able to commit the type of resourses required to get to the Gonzaga level.
If we have to pay football players it might just happen in the near future. This university or any other mid major is going to be able to pump the funds in needed to pay athletes to compete with major schools. Which is why I think players who advocate this are being ridiculous. They need to realize if this goes through there will be no more college football or at least a much smaller pool of it. Very off topic but the whole pay player thing is going to at some point cause us to disband our program
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OUVan wrote:expand_more
What are BC fans saying?  Do they see JC as one of the front runners?  I know when Groce was being speculated, it was pandemonium among the Illini faithful, much of which hated the idea of hiring a mildly successful (regular season wise) MAC coach.


It's much of the same thing.  They see their program in a different light than the outside world.  I saw in one of the articles I read lamenting the fact that Wojo took a job in the "struggling" Big East over BC.  Is there any rational human that would consider the BC job a better job than Marquette?


Is that last question an april fools joke? You've got to be kidding me.  Yes, Marquette has a good program, but are you really thinking this through? ACC? Living in Boston? going .500 in conf and still making the NCAA tourney? Major College football? Come on. Marquette? Really?
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If JC does accept the BC job, Travis Steele at Xavier would be a perfect replacement imo.  He's one of the best up and coming coaches in the business and is very familiar with Ohio U seeing that his brother was the head coach here. He would be able to recruit Ohio, Indiana and Michigan very well. Definitely a name I would keep an eye on if the job does open up.

Trav?  

That you?

Nice to see you here

 
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Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:expand_more
What are BC fans saying?  Do they see JC as one of the front runners?  I know when Groce was being speculated, it was pandemonium among the Illini faithful, much of which hated the idea of hiring a mildly successful (regular season wise) MAC coach.


It's much of the same thing.  They see their program in a different light than the outside world.  I saw in one of the articles I read lamenting the fact that Wojo took a job in the "struggling" Big East over BC.  Is there any rational human that would consider the BC job a better job than Marquette?


Is that last question an april fools joke? You've got to be kidding me.  Yes, Marquette has a good program, but are you really thinking this through? ACC? Living in Boston? going .500 in conf and still making the NCAA tourney? Major College football? Come on. Marquette? Really?


Better conference doesn't automatically mean better job. Especially comparing two jobs in what used to be the Big Six conferences. The Marquette name is bigger than BC when it comes to basketball, IMO.
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Is that last question an april fools joke? You've got to be kidding me.  Yes, Marquette has a good program, but are you really thinking this through? ACC? Living in Boston? going .500 in conf and still making the NCAA tourney? Major College football? Come on. Marquette? Really?


I'm talking strictly from a college basketball standpoint.  Basketball is king at Marquette.  They play in a conference where basketball is king and where all the other teams in the conference feel the same.  Yes, the ACC is a better conference but being the doormat in the best conference is hardly something to be proud about.  And here is something more to chew on:

Basketball Expenses in 2013

Boston College - $4,566,285
Marquette - $10,726,622


If I'm a college basketball coach I'm taking the Marquette job 100 times out of 100 over BC.
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Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:expand_more
What are BC fans saying?  Do they see JC as one of the front runners?  I know when Groce was being speculated, it was pandemonium among the Illini faithful, much of which hated the idea of hiring a mildly successful (regular season wise) MAC coach.


It's much of the same thing.  They see their program in a different light than the outside world.  I saw in one of the articles I read lamenting the fact that Wojo took a job in the "struggling" Big East over BC.  Is there any rational human that would consider the BC job a better job than Marquette?


Is that last question an april fools joke? You've got to be kidding me.  Yes, Marquette has a good program, but are you really thinking this through? ACC? Living in Boston? going .500 in conf and still making the NCAA tourney? Major College football? Come on. Marquette? Really?

 

Marquette has one of the 10 highest budgets in the nation for Men's Basketball. BC hasn't won a tournament game since their very first year in the ACC.

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Posted: 4/2/2014 4:22 PM
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The post about 'he'd earn more at BC but be fired if he doesn't succeed....as a financial basis comparison.  That comparison is on shaky grounds--Every coach is hired to be fired.  Assuming he'd be out (so no more salary)  after a few years is no more valid than assuming that he'd be a roaring success and move on to an even higher paying job.

Unless you all help us rally to get O H I O to bigger budget, there's a fair chance that this same speculation will happen every handful of years as coaches have the on-court success which we desire.  [Budget = ticket prices, your contrib, etc ]


talktalktalkspeculatespeculatespeculate.  or do something about it.
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Is that last question an april fools joke? You've got to be kidding me.  Yes, Marquette has a good program, but are you really thinking this through? ACC? Living in Boston? going .500 in conf and still making the NCAA tourney? Major College football? Come on. Marquette? Really?


I'm talking strictly from a college basketball standpoint.  Basketball is king at Marquette.  They play in a conference where basketball is king and where all the other teams in the conference feel the same.  Yes, the ACC is a better conference but being the doormat in the best conference is hardly something to be proud about.  And here is something more to chew on:

Basketball Expenses in 2013

Boston College - $4,566,285
Marquette - $10,726,622


If I'm a college basketball coach I'm taking the Marquette job 100 times out of 100 over BC.


That BC number is "just"  $1.3 mil more than OUrs.
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OUVan wrote:expand_more
Is that last question an april fools joke? You've got to be kidding me.  Yes, Marquette has a good program, but are you really thinking this through? ACC? Living in Boston? going .500 in conf and still making the NCAA tourney? Major College football? Come on. Marquette? Really?


I'm talking strictly from a college basketball standpoint.  Basketball is king at Marquette.  They play in a conference where basketball is king and where all the other teams in the conference feel the same.  Yes, the ACC is a better conference but being the doormat in the best conference is hardly something to be proud about.  And here is something more to chew on:

Basketball Expenses in 2013

Boston College - $4,566,285
Marquette - $10,726,622


If I'm a college basketball coach I'm taking the Marquette job 100 times out of 100 over BC.


Not to mention Marquette is a big deal to the folks of Milwaukee. They outrank the Bucks at this point.

BC basketball? Even when good, they are behind the Celts, Bruins, Sox, Pats & all the college hockey teams.
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Is that last question an april fools joke? You've got to be kidding me.  Yes, Marquette has a good program, but are you really thinking this through? ACC? Living in Boston? going .500 in conf and still making the NCAA tourney? Major College football? Come on. Marquette? Really?


I'm talking strictly from a college basketball standpoint.  Basketball is king at Marquette.  They play in a conference where basketball is king and where all the other teams in the conference feel the same.  Yes, the ACC is a better conference but being the doormat in the best conference is hardly something to be proud about.  And here is something more to chew on:

Basketball Expenses in 2013

Boston College - $4,566,285
Marquette - $10,726,622


If I'm a college basketball coach I'm taking the Marquette job 100 times out of 100 over BC.


Not to mention Marquette is a big deal to the folks of Milwaukee. They outrank the Bucks at this point.

BC basketball? Even when good, they are behind the Celts, Bruins, Sox, Pats & all the college hockey teams.


In other words, kind of like TCU is around Ft. Worth?
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Another OT thread where I must point out that Athens small population would be much more of a limit if we were "Athens Univeristy" and not "OHIO University."
 

If you want to talk about program potential, the STATE of OHIO is our target not just SEO.
 

 

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Monroe, you always start up about getting folks to donate more - and that is valid and commendable, keep it up, thataboy.  But the finances of a program are driven by corporate involvement and local economic opportunities more than it is by the donations of individuals. 

The post above outlines the population of the region versus "goal" Universities (Gonzaga, etc.) and, consequently, corporate opportunities in those areas.  The black seats that you, SBH and others have go for upwards of $10,000 at a Gonzaga or VCU.  They are purchased as corporate donations.  It is those opportunities that most restrict the growth of Ohio's programs.

And yes Optimist, we have had this discussion in the past.  Being "Ohio's" University is valuable from a broadcast standpoint - especially if we look at "broadcast" in future terms, not by defining it by past mediums (e.g., traditional radio is dead).  We should have our own online channel yesterday and should be exploring more aggressive streaming and satellite opportunities.  But from a venue standpoint, local still rules.
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He told BC (using SE Ohio/WV dialect), "I feel I iz being used and aint gettin a fair shake for this here job." 
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Good point, cc.  Corporate money is key.  When I speak of support, I certainly mean that.

All should try to have their employers match any donations what they personally give.
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If JC is offered the job he has to take it hands down.


-  Way more money.
-  BC has been rough lately, but it is a school with a strong sports tradition and good support.  The potential is there, and he will have the tools to make it work.
-  If he gets fired in 4 years.....so what.  He will have plenty of mid majors who would hire him.
-  Athens as a College kid and as an adult are two different things.  It might not be a great fit for people not looking for the small town life.
-  Everyone on this board would take the job...and if you say you wouldn't...you're lying.

 
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