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Posted: 4/2/2014 9:06 PM
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If JC is gone....

BACARI ALEXANDER BACARI ALEXANDER BACARI ALEXANDER BACARI ALEXANDER
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Posted: 4/2/2014 9:07 PM
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and would someone please tell schaus that any new contract with any coach must include requirement that at Ohio University's option, if the coach leaves before the end of his contract, his new school MUST play a game in Athens within three seasons of his departure.   This clause can only be bought out for $5 million.  
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Posted: 4/2/2014 9:19 PM
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I was hoping Bacari would get a look two years ago. Hoping for same if JC bolts.
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Posted: 4/2/2014 9:31 PM
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I'll ask again, though: Doesn't Christian turn out to be a poor choice given current events? Jumps after two years and zero titles? Sets us back big-time on the recruiting trail?
the choice wasn't bad, the end result was less than desirable.
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Posted: 4/2/2014 9:39 PM
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Sounds like something George Costanza would say.



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Posted: 4/2/2014 9:40 PM
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I say take Dayton's coach if we want an Elite 8.
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Posted: 4/2/2014 9:49 PM
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won't be this guy. Looks like in addition to a new arena IUPUI AD Mark Moore (OHIO) has had a busy year. 

for the record I have like Jason for years but his interview on the radio this afternoon made Kevin Ollie sound like a Rhodes Scholar. 

 
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Posted: 4/2/2014 10:47 PM
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Uncle Wes wrote:expand_more
I say take Dayton's coach if we want an Elite 8.

What? Siiighh

 
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Posted: 4/2/2014 11:53 PM
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How bout we go back to Danny Nee's roots and hire Fran Friscilla.  I'm sure we can offer him more than his TV gig
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Posted: 4/3/2014 12:25 AM
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Look, Dustin, Boals, Bacari, whoever, is NOT going to stay at Ohio when an ACC teams waves 3x or 4x salary in their faces. So take the best coach you can get to build the program without ANY expectation this person will stay more than a few years. That's why I favored Dustin a couple years back. If we had sustained success, he'd be gone, but then you go down the tree. Now we have no tree. I fear Jimmy C is going to leave the entire thing high and dry for a couple years. Good luck Schaus.
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Posted: 4/3/2014 7:54 AM
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Look, Dustin, Boals, Bacari, whoever, is NOT going to stay at Ohio when an ACC teams waves 3x or 4x salary in their faces. So take the best coach you can get to build the program without ANY expectation this person will stay more than a few years. That's why I favored Dustin a couple years back. If we had sustained success, he'd be gone, but then you go down the tree. Now we have no tree. I fear Jimmy C is going to leave the entire thing high and dry for a couple years. Good luck Schaus.


I understand your thinking here, but I think keeping a guy like Fuss around will ease the pain. Fuss has seen it all and knows all these guys. He's been there since the beginning. I don't think he's head coach material yet, but I think it's imperative he stays in Athens, no matter who the coach is.
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Posted: 4/3/2014 9:03 AM
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Long time listener, first time caller...

How about Sonny Johnson as an outside the box hire? The guy has a lot of pull in NE Ohio.

He is more likely assistant material at this point but is someone to consider.
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Posted: 4/3/2014 9:09 AM
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Jason Gee. He should have been hired 3 coaches ago!
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Posted: 4/3/2014 9:10 AM
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SBH wrote:expand_more
I'll ask again, though: Doesn't Christian turn out to be a poor choice given current events?  Jumps after two years and zero titles?  Sets us back big-time on the recruiting trail?



MY concern is the recruiting trail.  Right now, losing ONLY Owens isn't the end of the world if the other three come and perform well.  I agree it sucks to see a pair of top shelf kids leave because of a coach departing, but it's not the end of the world.  The cupboard is not currently bare if that's all that happens. 



brucecuth wrote:expand_more
and would someone please tell schaus that any new contract with any coach must include requirement that at Ohio University's option, if the coach leaves before the end of his contract, his new school MUST play a game in Athens within three seasons of his departure.   This clause can only be bought out for $5 million.  



Love the thought here.
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Posted: 4/3/2014 9:29 AM
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A little more JC background...

Back when JC left KSU, he took KSU's top recruit to TCU: Ronnie Moss. Moss went on to be his star player for most of JC's tenure, but was also a head case that JC suspended a time or two and eventually dismissed from the team before his last season ended. Moss may have even had another year of eligibility left. KSU fans felt they dodged a bullet though were upset when Moss decomitted

And when Stan Heath took the KSU job in '01, he brought with him a former MSU recruit, a certain Antonio Gates.

This is the way things go. The reality is that players are recruited by coaches, not by schools. Schools will argue when coaches leave that recruits should not have the freedom to change their commitments.
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Posted: 4/3/2014 9:51 AM
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Since WE are in limbo - let's get back to this thread and do what Schaus is probably doing.  Putting together a short list in case it is needed in Dallas.

Is there anyone else besides Alexander and Holtmann that should be on the very short list.  Alexander may be better working with the big men we have, but my gut tells me Holtmann may be more stay a bit longer.

Who else really?
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Posted: 4/3/2014 10:04 AM
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Who else really?

Who else really is going to be someone like Groce. I am not into the recycling thing as those guys are not hungry enough. Holtmann is still hungry but guys like Jeff Meyer, Dane Fife or other Power Conference assistants have lost the edge. Shaka, Groce, Archie, Turgeon, Marshall, Stevens,  were all guys who administered big time programs, recruited hard and had a vision.....and an edge. They all had the fire in the belly and the desire to get a program good . They have a passion for the game. 

My opinion is that Shauz should, and hopefully would, flip some rocks and hire a guy who is hungry like that. He may only be here a few years but perhaps he would be able to put in the X/Butler sustainability that Bobo and Skip/Coller put in place and keep guys moving up the ladder so the variables and unknowns are not so much a roller coaster. There are a few out there ... Darnell Archey, Micah Shrewsbury are good examples of guys on the rise. Even a guy like Brett Nelson is gong to be a good option if not this year in the next few. Hunger and passion need to come out in the interview process. 

Ironic this article came out today

www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/2014/04/02/ncaa-tournament-basketball-coaches-compensation-obannon-case/7208877/

www.usatoday.com/sports/college/salaries/ncaab/coach/

EDIT ....thought I should oughta throw this in there too.

www.usatoday.com/sports/college/salaries/all/director/


 
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Posted: 4/3/2014 10:12 AM
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That's interesting.  JS makes less than Frank.  I had forgotten that.  Yet, I don't believe he has complained in the least.  I do remember that when we brought in Frank that McDavis was OK in offering him more than he (McDavis) was making at that time.  I really like people who don't play the jealousy game.  
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Posted: 4/3/2014 11:11 AM
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I will echo what I think most of this board is saying.  I think Chris Holtmann would be an excellent choice and proven winner.  While some may think Ohio is a short stay for people like Holtmann that continue to rise in the coaching world I think he also provides good stability for the Ohio program.  His and Groce's pedigree is from the same coaching tree of Paul Patterson who stayed at Taylor even when bigger and better options where available to him.  I say make the search short and bring in a great coach and recruiter and get back to winning the MAC and respect in the midwest!
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Posted: 4/3/2014 11:51 AM
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Schaus has hired either successful coaches or up and coming assistants, no apparent bias, but they all seem to have strong midwestern, mostly in Ohio, ties. I'm sure a lot of the names mentioned here will get looks. How about someone like Lamont Paris, or does the Dambrot association exclude him?
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Posted: 4/3/2014 12:11 PM
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cc cat wrote:expand_more
Since WE are in limbo - let's get back to this thread and do what Schaus is probably doing.  Putting together a short list in case it is needed in Dallas.

Is there anyone else besides Alexander and Holtmann that should be on the very short list.  Alexander may be better working with the big men we have, but my gut tells me Holtmann may be more stay a bit longer.

Who else really?

I assume Schaus has had a short list long before these recent events began.
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Posted: 4/3/2014 12:17 PM
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I'm sure Schaus has a list compiled, but I certainly hope a more thorough search is conducted. While I think Christian is a good coach, the whole process seemed rather hasty last time. Maybe this time he'll at least interview a second or third candidate? People can bullshit all they want, but this is the primo job in the MAC. Period. we have a right to expect a thorough national search or the AD that many seem to adore is not doing his job.
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Haven't seen anyone mention Pat Kelsey. Born and raised in Cincinnati, assistant to Skip Prosser at Wake, former Assoc. HC at X, current HC at Winthrop. Currently making reported $175k at Winthrop. 
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Catfan07 wrote:expand_more
Haven't seen anyone mention Pat Kelsey. Born and raised in Cincinnati, assistant to Skip Prosser at Wake, former Assoc. HC at X, current HC at Winthrop. Currently making reported $175k at Winthrop. 


He's the one guy who is a carbon copy of Groce I could see Ohio hiring. High energy, really intense, great motivator, defensive mind, can coach bigs and guards, good pedigree. Not much you can't like about the guy.

My issue is, I don't know if Ohio is a step in the direction he wants to go in. He could just as easily wait it out at Winthrop and skip right over Ohio to a major program, I think.
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GoCats105 wrote:expand_more
Haven't seen anyone mention Pat Kelsey. Born and raised in Cincinnati, assistant to Skip Prosser at Wake, former Assoc. HC at X, current HC at Winthrop. Currently making reported $175k at Winthrop. 


He's the one guy who is a carbon copy of Groce I could see Ohio hiring. High energy, really intense, great motivator, defensive mind, can coach bigs and guards, good pedigree. Not much you can't like about the guy.

My issue is, I don't know if Ohio is a step in the direction he wants to go in. He could just as easily wait it out at Winthrop and skip right over Ohio to a major program, I think.


Jim Schaus hired Gregg Marshall from Winthrop when he was at Wichita State. Also the Groce parallels you mention. Makes a ton of sense if we can get him.
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