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Posted: 4/5/2014 11:07 AM
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I believe it will be a current head coach. JS has an additional $500k to use so he could potentially up the salary to over $500k per.


Not if he's using half that money on a search firm. Those dudes don't work for free.
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Posted: 4/5/2014 11:35 AM
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I don't want to hire an alum as HC just for sentimental reasons alone, BUT, I'm all for hiring one as an assistant. Like Gary Trent.


or Walt Offutt

bring back Gary Trent to coach the big men, Walt to coach the guards.  Nick to recruit!


I posted elsewhere yesterday that Walt appears to have taken a corporate job in Memphis per LinkedIn.
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Posted: 4/5/2014 11:59 AM
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Actually my guess is the "source" is someone like Boals, Ford, etc. who told a reporter like Barnes, etc. off the record that they weren't even under consideration because Schaus told them he was only looking for HC experience.


That makes good sense as well Mike.
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Posted: 4/5/2014 12:26 PM
Wake me up when they hire the new guy.
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Posted: 4/5/2014 2:23 PM
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Someone help me out here. What is with the infatuation with Jeff Boals?  I'm sure he is bright.  Good guy.  etc.  But he comes across as low energy.  Not electric.  Not someone that the fans/ozone can feed off of.  I'm not saying JC was.  But that was an element of Groce, Nee - and an element I think we should look to get back.  What is it with Boals?

If we looked only at "high energy" coaches we'd rule out an up and coming Johnny Wooden.  I've never in my life seen a more subdued coach on the bench.  Almost never yelled at a ref.  Looked very stoic the whole game as he sat their analyzing every play as he rolled his game program in his hands.  


 


From what I've read, John Wooden was one of the biggest baiters of referees and opposing players of all time. Hence, the rolled up program. He'd yell through that.
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Posted: 4/5/2014 2:51 PM
I am not just talking about on the sideline. I am talking about being able to walk into a dorm or cafeteria and get the troops excited. I remember when nee came one of the first things he did was take part in a Hollywood squares type event on east green. He had the buy in for every student from east green after that event. There are different ways of doing that. But someone with a more electric personality than boals I think will serve us well. Again. Just my opinion and if the best candidate is more subdued than a groce so be it. But I am hoping he has a bit of vibe to him
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Posted: 4/5/2014 2:53 PM
Two names emerging for the job according to Chas Wolfe are Saul Phillips (North Dakota State) and Pat Kelsey (Winthrop)

Phillips has had more success as a HC than Kelsey has, but Kelsey is from Cincinnati and coached at Xavier so he has the regional ties that Phillips doesn't. 

Saul Phillips Bio: http://www.gobison.com/coaches.aspx?rc=695&path=mbball

Pat Kelsey Bio: http://www.winthropeagles.com/coaches.aspx?rc=438

 
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Posted: 4/5/2014 3:08 PM
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Two names emerging for the job according to Chas Wolfe are Saul Phillips (North Dakota State) and Pat Kelsey (Winthrop)

Phillips has had more success as a HC than Kelsey has, but Kelsey is from Cincinnati and coached at Xavier so he has the regional ties that Phillips doesn't. 

Saul Phillips Bio: http://www.gobison.com/coaches.aspx?rc=695&path=mbball

Pat Kelsey Bio: http://www.winthropeagles.com/coaches.aspx?rc=438

 

I like both of them. We could offer to double or better both of their current salaries. I think I would lean toward Phillips from what I have seen.

 
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Posted: 4/5/2014 3:28 PM
No one has yet answered my question that I've posted on this thread a couple of times: How would Phillips be able to hit the ground running recruiting in our region, since his whole career has been in the upper Great Lakes region? Wisconsin, etc. It reads like he's a very good coach with a great personality, but IMO we need someone who can be highly competitive recruiting Ohio, Indiana and Kentucky.

While Kelsey is another fine coach, is from Cincinnati, has a X connection, and is also connected with "the Man" Skip Prosser, I would also ask whether his long tenure at southern schools has eroded his recruiting ties in Ohio? I know he has a couple Ohio guys on his roster at Winthrop, but it's a question worth asking.

Both these guys are fine coaches with electric personalities. Both know how to promote and they get involved in doing it. My only reservation would be recruiting in our region.

Anyone care to address these questions of mine?
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Posted: 4/5/2014 3:32 PM
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No one has yet answered my question that I've posted on this thread a couple of times: How would Phillips be able to hit the ground running recruiting in our region, since his whole career has been in the upper Great Lakes region? Wisconsin, etc. It reads like he's a very good coach with a great personality, but IMO we need someone who can be highly competitive recruiting Ohio, Indiana and Kentucky.

While Kelsey is another fine coach, is from Cincinnati, has a X connection, and is also connected with "the Man" Skip Prosser, I would also ask whether his long tenure at southern schools has eroded his recruiting ties in Ohio? I know he has a couple Ohio guys on his roster at Winthrop, but it's a question worth asking.

Both these guys are fine coaches with electric personalities. Both know how to promote and they get involved in doing it. My only reservation would be recruiting in our region.

Anyone care to address these questions of mine?

Don't we have an office in Senegal now?


 
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Posted: 4/5/2014 3:49 PM
Jeff, I would guess the recent success of Phillips, his engaging personality, and ability to recruit at a more remote area than Athens would allow him to hit the ground running here. No reason he can't quickly make connections with high school coaches and win over parents and recruits when he visits their homes. Year 1 is going to be tough for any coach coming in just due to the circumstances and late timeline Christian leaving. Maybe some of these other candidates with local ties could benefit a little bit getting a few late recruits this year, but I just don't think it's that big of a deal. If you're a coach that can recruit, then you can adapt to recruit anywhere in my opinion. I mean put John Groce in California and I bet he would still out-recruit a ton of local coaches out there.  So I guess my question to you is why wouldn't he be able to recruit this area?
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Posted: 4/5/2014 3:51 PM
Valid questions, Jeff. I imagine assistants would be plugged in to cover those possible weak areas. I would be happy with either hire.
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Posted: 4/5/2014 3:52 PM
I heard Saul Phillips on XMs broadcasts from Dallas. He was infectious. He'd make us run through brick walls if he came here. He has a loaded team next year and sounded genuine when he talked about them.
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Posted: 4/5/2014 3:56 PM
bigtillyoopsupsideurhead wrote:expand_more
Two names emerging for the job according to Chas Wolfe are Saul Phillips (North Dakota State) and Pat Kelsey (Winthrop)

Phillips has had more success as a HC than Kelsey has, but Kelsey is from Cincinnati and coached at Xavier so he has the regional ties that Phillips doesn't. 

Saul Phillips Bio: http://www.gobison.com/coaches.aspx?rc=695&path=mbball

Pat Kelsey Bio: http://www.winthropeagles.com/coaches.aspx?rc=438

 


and you can add the coaches at E. KY and NC Central, according to Arkley
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Posted: 4/5/2014 3:56 PM
Our latest class included a player from Georgia, one from Baltimore, and two JUCO's, one from the Dominican Republic, and no one complained.
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Posted: 4/5/2014 3:59 PM
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No one has yet answered my question that I've posted on this thread a couple of times: How would Phillips be able to hit the ground running recruiting in our region, since his whole career has been in the upper Great Lakes region? Wisconsin, etc. It reads like he's a very good coach with a great personality, but IMO we need someone who can be highly competitive recruiting Ohio, Indiana and Kentucky.

While Kelsey is another fine coach, is from Cincinnati, has a X connection, and is also connected with "the Man" Skip Prosser, I would also ask whether his long tenure at southern schools has eroded his recruiting ties in Ohio? I know he has a couple Ohio guys on his roster at Winthrop, but it's a question worth asking.

Both these guys are fine coaches with electric personalities. Both know how to promote and they get involved in doing it. My only reservation would be recruiting in our region.

Anyone care to address these questions of mine?


Jeff, the quick and dirty answer is that you bring in assistants who already know the area and/or have had success recruiting here.  I agree wholeheartedly that there is a TON of talent coming up through the high school ranks in the next several year in Ohio and the midwest and we should get our share.
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Posted: 4/5/2014 4:30 PM
I'm surprised that Donnie Tyndall isn't getting talked about more. Coming off a couple great years and able to advance in the postseason. The guy can recruit too, scooped up Kenneth Faried at Morehead State. 
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Posted: 4/5/2014 4:36 PM
Jeff McKinney wrote:expand_more
No one has yet answered my question that I've posted on this thread a couple of times: How would Phillips be able to hit the ground running recruiting in our region, since his whole career has been in the upper Great Lakes region? Wisconsin, etc. It reads like he's a very good coach with a great personality, but IMO we need someone who can be highly competitive recruiting Ohio, Indiana and Kentucky.

While Kelsey is another fine coach, is from Cincinnati, has a X connection, and is also connected with "the Man" Skip Prosser, I would also ask whether his long tenure at southern schools has eroded his recruiting ties in Ohio? I know he has a couple Ohio guys on his roster at Winthrop, but it's a question worth asking.

Both these guys are fine coaches with electric personalities. Both know how to promote and they get involved in doing it. My only reservation would be recruiting in our region.

Anyone care to address these questions of mine?

Kelsey still seems to have really good ties to Ohio, I don't think his time at Winthrop has changed that. As you mentioned, they have two Ohio players on the roster including Josh Davenport who was pretty highly recruited and had reported offers from both us and Kent State. 

As for Phillips, he seems to hit the Great Lakes area the hardest, but he did go out of his pipeline area to grab his best player Taylor Braun, who is from Oregon. I'm sure assistant coaches will help him get used to the area, but does it really matter where our players come from? Maurice Ndour, DJ Cooper, and Leon Williams don't think it does. 

 
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Posted: 4/5/2014 4:49 PM
I like Saul but I have a feeling he would be a solid candidate at Wisconsin when Bo Ryan is done in a few years. Might be going through this again sooner than we would like if we choose him.
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Posted: 4/5/2014 4:53 PM
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I like Saul but I have a feeling he would be a solid candidate at Wisconsin when Bo Ryan is done in a few years. Might be going through this again sooner than we would like if we choose him.


So we add yet another high-quality program to the Ohio tree. This is not a bad thing. ANY successful coach in Athens will be leaving in time. It's just a question of where.
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Posted: 4/5/2014 4:54 PM
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I like Saul but I have a feeling he would be a solid candidate at Wisconsin when Bo Ryan is done in a few years. Might be going through this again sooner than we would like if we choose him.


So we add yet another high-quality program to the Ohio tree. This is not a bad thing. ANY successful coach in Athens will be leaving in time. It's just a question of where.


I need MINIMUM 4 years out of the next hire.
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Posted: 4/5/2014 5:02 PM
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I am not just talking about on the sideline. I am talking about being able to walk into a dorm or cafeteria and get the troops excited. I remember when nee came one of the first things he did was take part in a Hollywood squares type event on east green. He had the buy in for every student from east green after that event. There are different ways of doing that. But someone with a more electric personality than boals I think will serve us well. Again. Just my opinion and if the best candidate is more subdued than a groce so be it. But I am hoping he has a bit of vibe to him


I was the dorm director in Pickering in 1980 when Danny came in and did the "tour."  John Groce and his assistants ate in every possible place on Court Street their first month here.  That was not one of TOS's strong suits nor our latest guy.  I'll say it again, Athens is a very very small town and whether you like it or not, the community expects the coach to be visible in a genuine way.  Guys like McBin, SBH, RSBobcat, and Love are the exception and their exceptionalism is both needed and appreciated but most of the folks in the stands other than students live within 20 to 30 minutes of the Convo.  You need to energize the local populace and put a winner on the floor.
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Posted: 4/5/2014 5:13 PM
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Someone help me out here. What is with the infatuation with Jeff Boals?  I'm sure he is bright.  Good guy.  etc.  But he comes across as low energy.  Not electric.  Not someone that the fans/ozone can feed off of.  I'm not saying JC was.  But that was an element of Groce, Nee - and an element I think we should look to get back.  What is it with Boals?

If we looked only at "high energy" coaches we'd rule out an up and coming Johnny Wooden.  I've never in my life seen a more subdued coach on the bench.  Almost never yelled at a ref.  Looked very stoic the whole game as he sat their analyzing every play as he rolled his game program in his hands.  


 


From what I've read, John Wooden was one of the biggest baiters of referees and opposing players of all time. Hence, the rolled up program. He'd yell through that.

Must be an urban legend of some kind.  I watched him a great deal in those days (on TV, not in person) and I don't  remember ever seeing him yell through his program at an official.  Maybe it happened once and was caught on the camera and began a legend that he did this all the time, but he didn't.  The commentators at the time always remarked how low key he was.  During a game they'd often show him almost emotionless on the bench intently staring at the game action.  He was an analytical coach.  He was often contrasted in the with Al McGuire of Marquette who used every trick in the book to try to get into a refs head.  Later when he became a commentator McGuire would praise other coaches who acted like he used to.  I'm afraid your a little off-base about Wooden. 

 
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Posted: 4/5/2014 5:22 PM
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I like Saul but I have a feeling he would be a solid candidate at Wisconsin when Bo Ryan is done in a few years. Might be going through this again sooner than we would like if we choose him.


So we add yet another high-quality program to the Ohio tree. This is not a bad thing. ANY successful coach in Athens will be leaving in time. It's just a question of where.


I need MINIMUM 4 years out of the next hire.


All you can do is hope.
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Posted: 4/5/2014 5:28 PM
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From what I've read, John Wooden was one of the biggest baiters of referees and opposing players of all time. Hence, the rolled up program. He'd yell through that.

Must be an urban legend of some kind.  I watched him a great deal in those days (on TV, not in person) and I don't  remember ever seeing him yell through his program at an official.  Maybe it happened once and was caught on the camera and began a legend that he did this all the time, but he didn't.  The commentators at the time always remarked how low key he was.  During a game they'd often show him almost emotionless on the bench intently staring at the game action.  He was an analytical coach.  He was often contrasted in the with Al McGuire of Marquette who used every trick in the book to try to get into a refs head.  Later when he became a commentator McGuire would praise other coaches who acted like he used to.  I'm afraid your a little off-base about Wooden. 

 


As usual, you've taken your limited experience and assumed it's representative of the entire story. It's not.

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