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Posted: 4/4/2014 5:33 PM
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A man with Big East experience. A man of great character. A man who has won a MAC title.

Louis Orr.

You know, I personally think that this wouldn't be a bad choice.  Despite what many on here said about him not being a good coach, I don't agree.  I think he was not able to recruit well at BG.  I suspect if he had been coaching OHIO this past year we would have finished as well, if not better, than we did under JC.  That being said, I don't expect him to be hired because of the way it would be perceived by the fan base and national and state media.  

Tough places to win that is also what I see with Phillips. Since he wasn't able stack the roster with talent up in Fargo he had to rely on a big senior class that only happens every once in a great while. At Ohio where you can land a 4 star player he can keep that roster stocked. A school where there is more upside to it. His offense last year shot the ball at 50.5 percent which was 1st in the country. That and he was 4th in the country in rebounds in the country per game at 28.8. Ranked 59th in offense, 63rd in defense. To me it looks like Ohio material and he's only making 175k so its a guy we could get easily.
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Posted: 4/4/2014 5:42 PM
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Ohio could lose Phillips pretty quickly, depending on how long Bo Ryan wants to keep coaching. I'd assume Phillips will be an option for the Badgers.

That's fine as long as we lock him in with a nice buyout.

 
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Posted: 4/4/2014 5:47 PM
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Since in one thread Ben Howland was mentioned, I am going to throw out a Solich type possibility.  Orlando "Tubby" Smith.

The word on Howland is he runs a conservative offense and has lost touch with the players. The majority of his experience is out west but he did take Pitt to 2 Sweet 16's. Its risky hire and he would probably want a ton of money.

 
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Posted: 4/4/2014 6:01 PM
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Someone help me out here. What is with the infatuation with Jeff Boals?  I'm sure he is bright.  Good guy.  etc.  But he comes across as low energy.  Not electric.  Not someone that the fans/ozone can feed off of.  I'm not saying JC was.  But that was an element of Groce, Nee - and an element I think we should look to get back.  What is it with Boals?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEMvb6E7_Kw
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Posted: 4/4/2014 6:07 PM
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Since in one thread Ben Howland was mentioned, I am going to throw out a Solich type possibility.  Orlando "Tubby" Smith.
 

Tubby was hired last year at Texas Tech by our old friend Kirby Hocutt so he's probably out. but the guy he replaced, Billy Gillispie is available. 

We could reunite him with his former PG Bean Willis. 

 
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Posted: 4/4/2014 6:43 PM
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Since in one thread Ben Howland was mentioned, I am going to throw out a Solich type possibility. Orlando "Tubby" Smith.



Tubby was hired last year at Texas Tech by our old friend Kirby Hocutt so he's probably out. but the guy he replaced, Billy Gillispie is available.

We could reunite him with his former PG Bean Willis.


Definite NO, Gillispie is the last coach that needs to be in Athens. While at UK he had his own personal driver because the athletic department knew he was a liability (and this was before he got a DUI here - that was months after he was fired).

Tubby is probably not available, but his biggest downside is recruiting.
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Posted: 4/4/2014 6:44 PM
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Someone help me out here. What is with the infatuation with Jeff Boals?  I'm sure he is bright.  Good guy.  etc.  But he comes across as low energy.  Not electric.  Not someone that the fans/ozone can feed off of.  I'm not saying JC was.  But that was an element of Groce, Nee - and an element I think we should look to get back.  What is it with Boals?

If we looked only at "high energy" coaches we'd rule out an up and coming Johnny Wooden.  I've never in my life seen a more subdued coach on the bench.  Almost never yelled at a ref.  Looked very stoic the whole game as he sat their analyzing every play as he rolled his game program in his hands.  


 
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Posted: 4/4/2014 7:29 PM
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Jeff Capel might be an outside the box guy to consider.  HC at VCU and Oklahoma.  Things ended bad at Oklahoma, but his hands seem to be clean.  I think the WOJO moving on moves him up a seat at Duke and he would likely lack interest.  However, former HC with some success.  Only 39 years old.
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Posted: 4/4/2014 7:45 PM
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Someone help me out here. What is with the infatuation with Jeff Boals?  I'm sure he is bright.  Good guy.  etc.  But he comes across as low energy.  Not electric.  Not someone that the fans/ozone can feed off of.  I'm not saying JC was.  But that was an element of Groce, Nee - and an element I think we should look to get back.  What is it with Boals?

If we looked only at "high energy" coaches we'd rule out an up and coming Johnny Wooden.  I've never in my life seen a more subdued coach on the bench.  Almost never yelled at a ref.  Looked very stoic the whole game as he sat their analyzing every play as he rolled his game program in his hands.  


 


Hey, just my opinion.  But in today's game, with today's players and fans - give me a groce, nee, shaka type exuberant guy.  Plus we don't have a Sam Gilbert around - lol.
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Posted: 4/4/2014 8:13 PM
Cat Fan 28 asks if I am kidding regarding my previous post mentioning that I like Dustin Johnson's head coaching experience at Jackson High School. No Cat Fan 28, not kidding at all. Dustin Ford is an assistant at Illinois and has been an assistant at other stops as well. High School head coaching experience is all the head coaching experience Roy Williams had when he was named head coach at Kansas. He has subsequently won two national championships. He had no more experience than has Dustin Ford.

Archie Miller had no head coaching experience and he just led Dayton to the Elite 8. The problem with this silly "administration speak" of we have to have a coach with head coaching experience is that most AD's and their subordinates have never played or coached at the high school level, let alone the college level. Successful hires come from a seasoned hand who besides experience has a gut feel for a candidate a la the Roy Williams and Archie Miller hires. Silly checklists are for people who listen to much to the likes of Gene Smith.
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Posted: 4/4/2014 8:16 PM
How about a southern coach. Duggar Baucom- head coach of the high scoring VMI Keydets.
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Posted: 4/4/2014 8:27 PM
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How about a southern coach. Duggar Baucom- head coach of the high scoring VMI Keydets.
With a coach named Duggar....hell yeahs.

With a Duggar we could have 19 players on our team.
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Posted: 4/4/2014 9:18 PM
Looks like Coach Stewart is on the move.....

Assistants now on the Move?
Takayo Siddle-UNC-Wilmington
Anthony Stewart-UT-Martin
Steve Roccaforte-VA Tech
Rod Strikland-USF
Darrin Horn-BC

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Posted: 4/4/2014 10:03 PM
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I'm not a big fan of Toole.


I'm curious as to why not? He kicked our rear ends on an annual basis and has made a consistent winner at a very small private school. As much as they were thorns in our side, I loved the teams that he had the last few years.


Vulgar a la our ol buddy Dakich. 
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Posted: 4/4/2014 10:05 PM

Saul Phillips' record indicates he's a fine coach...and he certainly has a magnetic personality.  But my concern would be his lack of connections in the state of Ohio and surrounding states.  How would he recruit here?  Would we be bringing in a lot of kids of Wisconsin?  I think we need a coach who can hit the ground running recruiting in Ohio, Indiana, Michigan, Kentucky, etc. 

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Posted: 4/4/2014 10:29 PM
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Saul Phillips' record indicates he's a fine coach...and he certainly has a magnetic personality.  But my concern would be his lack of connections in the state of Ohio and surrounding states.  How would he recruit here?  Would we be bringing in a lot of kids of Wisconsin?  I think we need a coach who can hit the ground running recruiting in Ohio, Indiana, Michigan, Kentucky, etc. 



tim o'shea could recruit the hell outta minnesota !! .... bang !! .. oh baby what a group of stud athletes .. jeff halburt and stephan king !! .. BANG !!!!
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Posted: 4/4/2014 10:44 PM
I'm going to pretend you didn't just forget about Minnesotan Matt Annen, whose work in the final two minutes of blowouts was superb.
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Posted: 4/4/2014 11:20 PM
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Well OU alum Matt Barnes of Channel 4 is certainly well connected and very loyal to the program, so he certainly must have some inside info. However, I certainly hope the "we are looking for someone with head coaching experience" isn't coming from the powers that be. If it is, it is silly at best presumptuous and near sighted at worst. If we use that criteria Roy Williams (who has national titles for God sakes) wouldn't be eligible. Dayton's Archie Miller just went on an Elite 8 run without head coaching experience.

As I indicated before, head coaching experience is relevant and Dustin Ford has done so at high school level, taking Jackson High School to levels never before seen in school history (at a place that is hardly a basketball power.) I hope when we mean head coaching experience we aren't ruling out Coach Ford. Being the captain of a ship, no matter how small still gives you experience, a lot more experience than some administrators watching the ships in the harbor from the safety of the Yacht Club.

Forgive me if I sound a little upset at all of this administration speak, but having coached at the high school level, there were a lot of blowhards out there pretending to know the ins and outs of coaching and setting up criteria and standards that they would never know. Again, I hope someone is feeding Matt Barnes the wrong info, for I would hate to think our powers that be are sounding the same as some of the blowhards about seventy miles northwest on Route 33.


No offense to Mr. Barnes or anyone talking about this as 'scoop'. (By the way I LOVE Bobcats in media in CBUS) But 'sources' are likely bobcatattack, someone who read/posts on bobcatattack, youtube, or any Ohio fan that watches youtube videos if you're talking about the 'prefer a head coach' comment. This stuff isn't secret at all that Schaus would prefer a current HC to someone with no head coaching track record. It certainly makes sense if you can pull it off to have someone with experience in the job you are hiring them to do. Just like you want an experienced surgeon with a decent track record to do your open heart surgery as opposed to the guy that will be opening you up for the first time fresh out of book learning - unless you have special reason to believe the outcome will be greater than the person that has already proven themselves.

On the flipside by doing this you may be passing up the next great one. But that is the risk/reward that Schaus has to consider.

This isn't to say that Dustin, Fife, Meyer, Boals, or another current assistant somewhere won't get a shot, it certainly may end up that the best candidate doesn't have head coaching experience. But I am putting that at as more of a long shot, and I don't agree that having Ohio ties should get you tons more consideration than the average candidate. Not even the Boals/Kuwik/Ford/etc will stick around when a double or triple in salary is offered. Can't blame any of them.

check about 15 seconds in for some insight on coaching preference/qualities
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start here about 1:30 (although not hoops related)
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Posted: 4/4/2014 11:56 PM
Well said Mcbin. I would just piggyback on a comment I made the other day about continuity. The last two hires were great, it is certainly preferable to say you lost your last two coaches to the Big 10 and the ACC than Kent saying they lost Coach Geno Ford to the Missouri Valley Conference. I would think that if Coach Dustin Ford or Coach Boals came back to their alma mater, it would tougher for them to leave should they be courted by a power conference school because A. OU might have wherewith all to pony up more money and B both men might want to stay and build a power.

I will never forget Coach Danny Nee saying that the only reason he left Athens was he didn't think he get to the Final 4 here. After a few years in Lincoln and seeing others build power programs, he wonders if he could have the same in Athens.

Like you said Mcbin you want the best doctor, sometimes he's an old seasoned hand and sometimes he's a young guy who impresses everyone in his profession. All he needs is a chance to impress a greater audience, and so it is with up and coming coaches.
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Posted: 4/5/2014 1:06 AM
Actually my guess is the "source" is someone like Boals, Ford, etc. who told a reporter like Barnes, etc. off the record that they weren't even under consideration because Schaus told them he was only looking for HC experience. But then it's leaked he's using a search firm, even though he's always used one. even though no one apparently realized it. And then -- if or when -- he hires a current assistant, he can say, well, he wasn't actually looking at assistants but this "great fit" was suggested by said search firm.
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Posted: 4/5/2014 1:41 AM
I don't want to hire an alum as HC just for sentimental reasons alone, BUT, I'm all for hiring one as an assistant. Like Gary Trent.
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Posted: 4/5/2014 8:59 AM
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I don't want to hire an alum as HC just for sentimental reasons alone, BUT, I'm all for hiring one as an assistant. Like Gary Trent.


or Walt Offutt

bring back Gary Trent to coach the big men, Walt to coach the guards.  Nick to recruit!
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Posted: 4/5/2014 9:17 AM
I believe it will be a current head coach. JS has an additional $500k to use so he could potentially up the salary to over $500k per.
With the final 4 this weekend I would suspect an announcement by Monday - Wednesday at the latest.

MY BIGGEST IMMEDIATE CONCERN AFTER THIS HIRE WILL BE KEEPING THE TEAM AND RECRUITS INTACT.

This recruit, TO, appears to be a 4 star and could certainly have a positive impact next year. If we loss TO and others we will obviously be in a world of hurt.


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Posted: 4/5/2014 9:48 AM
http://www.athensohiotoday.com/sports/ohiouniversity/who-...

My understanding is Schaus is not shy about saying he prefers coaches with previous head coach experience.  (I've never heard that directly from him though).

I'm guessing a whole bunch of posters on here do not want a head coach because, after all, that coach would be abandoning his program and players and leaving it in ruins.....  But I digress....

Lavelle Moton leads Arkley's list.  I like Moton but he may have too much panache for this region. 

Wardle and Kelsey sound like promising candidates.
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Posted: 4/5/2014 10:55 AM
I'd find it very difficult to support the program if we hire Brian Wardle:

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/930...
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