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Posted: 4/5/2014 6:29 PM
I agree with the respondents to my post that adding the right assistant coaches is key to recruiting.

I understand that we have players on our roster from all over the world and I'm OK with that. But in a day when 40% of players transfer, having a roster with only far out of state players makes you more vulnerable to transferring, IMO. I'm fine with recruiting nationally and even globally, but I think it's also important at Ohio University to have a solid recruiting pipeline into Columbus, Cincinnati, etc.

Coaches Kelsey and Phillips have fine resumes and I would also be happy with either one of them. However, I identify personally more with Kelsey because of his connections to Cincinnati, Skip Prosser, etc.
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Posted: 4/5/2014 6:33 PM
bigtillyoopsupsideurhead wrote:expand_more
No one has yet answered my question that I've posted on this thread a couple of times: How would Phillips be able to hit the ground running recruiting in our region, since his whole career has been in the upper Great Lakes region? Wisconsin, etc. It reads like he's a very good coach with a great personality, but IMO we need someone who can be highly competitive recruiting Ohio, Indiana and Kentucky.

While Kelsey is another fine coach, is from Cincinnati, has a X connection, and is also connected with "the Man" Skip Prosser, I would also ask whether his long tenure at southern schools has eroded his recruiting ties in Ohio? I know he has a couple Ohio guys on his roster at Winthrop, but it's a question worth asking.

Both these guys are fine coaches with electric personalities. Both know how to promote and they get involved in doing it. My only reservation would be recruiting in our region.

Anyone care to address these questions of mine?


Kelsey still seems to have really good ties to Ohio, I don't think his time at Winthrop has changed that. As you mentioned, they have two Ohio players on the roster including Josh Davenport who was pretty highly recruited and had reported offers from both us and Kent State.

As for Phillips, he seems to hit the Great Lakes area the hardest, but he did go out of his pipeline area to grab his best player Taylor Braun, who is from Oregon. I'm sure assistant coaches will help him get used to the area, but does it really matter where our players come from? Maurice Ndour, DJ Cooper, and Leon Williams don't think it does.

Kelsey was at Wake Forest for a long time, too, under Prosser and Gaudio.
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Posted: 4/5/2014 6:37 PM
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Damn facts keep getting in the way of personal folklore. It's one thing to recount memories, it's a whole 'nother thing for those memories to be actually somewhat accurate. Seems not to much to ask so that folks reading won't get a wrong impression going forward. 

Nice article on seth Davis and his project. Indiana folk will tell you wooden took no prisoners and could be a real pistol in the heat of competition. Legendary at Martinsville (who lost to Muncie central in woodens senior season in their bid to repeat as state champs) and Purdue then later with  the Indianapolis kautzkys he played to win. He may have played the role as a quiet school teacher but his words were sharp as razors. Won't even start on all the behind the scenes recruiting things that never saw the light of day, still the best there ever was
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Posted: 4/5/2014 6:55 PM
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I heard Saul Phillips on XMs broadcasts from Dallas. He was infectious. He'd make us run through brick walls if he came here. He has a loaded team next year and sounded genuine when he talked about them.


I think the major reason Phillips is a candidate and a big reason he would consider leaving NDSU is that he is graduating the large core of his team this year: 6 guys, the top 3 scorers, and the conference player of the year. There has been a lot of buildup in Fargo for the past few years about this years team and they did not disappoint with their victory vs. Oklahoma.

This will be an interesting week! I hope Schaus can get us a great coach within the week!
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Posted: 4/5/2014 7:11 PM
Here's what you get when you come to Ohio as head coach-

- off the carts support from the school President and AD
- winning tradition
- high major arena and fan base
- attractive school/program to recruits
- good chance of landing high major job after Ohio

We have a lot of leverage in attracting viable candidates and I like Schaus's "no assistants" rule as it further elevates this job as a premier mid major coaching location. In JS I trust.
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Posted: 4/5/2014 7:16 PM
Well, JSF, I've only had time to read one of your links so far. While it shows he was good at game and practice psychology, it didn't support the concept that he was a big ref baiter. I'll read the others later.
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Posted: 4/5/2014 7:30 PM
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Well, JSF, I've only had time to read one of your links so far. While it shows he was good at game and practice psychology, it didn't support the concept that he was a big ref baiter. I'll read the others later.


From the First Link You Allegedly Read wrote:expand_more

One example? Wooden’s poor reputation among referees.

“At one point, the Southern California basketball writers talked about censuring him due to his behavior toward referees, as well as opposing players,” said Davis, who interviewed roughly 200 for Wooden: A Coach’s Life. “He had a very unflattering habit of talking to opposing players.”

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Posted: 4/5/2014 7:53 PM
Here is Jason Arkley's take on our coaching search final four: www.athensohiotoday.com/blogs/bobcat_blog/sources-ndsu-s-phillips-winthrop-s-kelsey-believed-to-be/article_cfefec4a-750d-519d-917b-5e5d6fa91101.html

Saul Phillips, North Dakota State: Phillips may be the hottest name on this list. He was a media star in the NCAA Tournament, and this weekend at the Final Four. The Bison upended No. 5 seed Oklahoma in the Second Round of this year's tournament. Strong ties with Bo Ryan (Wisconsin) and Tim Miles (Nebraska).

Pat Kelsey, Winthrop: Kelsey only has two years of head coaching experience, but made an impression in 2012 when his Eagles sprung an upset over the Bobcats in the Convo. A former Wake Forest assistant, Kelsey was also the associate head coach at Xavier under Chris Mack before taking a leave of absence in 2011.

Jeff Neubauer, Eastern Kentucky: Neubauer has been at EKU for nine years, and has posted a 167-122 overall record with two NCAA Tournament berths. He's also likely been on Schaus' radar for a while. Neubauer worked under current Michigan coach John Beilein at both Richmond (1996-2002) and West Virginia (2002-05) as an assistant.

LeVelle Moton, North Carolina Central: Moton doesn't have the extended resume that the other three proposed leading candidates do, but he's done a terrific job at his alma mater including this year's appearance in the NCAA Tournament. Moton is also reportedly in the running for open positions at FAU and Marshall.

Again here's his full article: www.athensohiotoday.com/blogs/bobcat_blog/sources-ndsu-s-phillips-winthrop-s-kelsey-believed-to-be/article_cfefec4a-750d-519d-917b-5e5d6fa91101.html
 

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Posted: 4/5/2014 8:04 PM
Moton excites me the least. And I don't want a coach named Jeff Neubauer (personal reasons). So I'll sit in the Kelsey camp with Phillips right behind.
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Posted: 4/5/2014 8:04 PM
Jeff McKinney wrote:expand_more
I agree with the respondents to my post that adding the right assistant coaches is key to recruiting.

I understand that we have players on our roster from all over the world and I'm OK with that. But in a day when 40% of players transfer, having a roster with only far out of state players makes you more vulnerable to transferring, IMO. I'm fine with recruiting nationally and even globally, but I think it's also important at Ohio University to have a solid recruiting pipeline into Columbus, Cincinnati, etc.

Coaches Kelsey and Phillips have fine resumes and I would also be happy with either one of them. However, I identify personally more with Kelsey because of his connections to Cincinnati, Skip Prosser, etc.


Jeff, I think no matter who Ohio hires the team takes a hit for a year recruiting-wise, regardless of Ohio ties or not.  If the coach Schaus hires is typical of all his hires and is a good one, that coach via his personality will establish the necessary relationships.  If you want immediate returns hiring a coach in April when the following season starts in November leaves Ohio a little handicapped regardless of who's hired.  Go for the very best coach you can get and just hope for the best.  Like JSF and others have said, if the next coach is that good (i.e. multiple NCAA Tourney wins ala Groce) he's probably gone in 4-5 years anyway.
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Posted: 4/5/2014 8:24 PM
saul phillips is a great choice .. I thought he may  leave to go to wisconsin when bo ryan retires , however greg gard is a 13 year assistant for bo ryan .. he is listed as the associate head coach, he will get the job and the bobcats will keep saul !! .. bang !! .. oh baby what a big time hire !!

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Posted: 4/5/2014 8:29 PM
JSF wrote:expand_more
Moton excites me the least. And I don't want a coach named Jeff Neubauer (personal reasons). So I'll sit in the Kelsey camp with Phillips right behind.

Being in the Raleigh-Durham area, I have heard Moton on the radio numerous times and came away impresses every time.  That being said, I am not sure that he is my top choice either.

 
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Posted: 4/5/2014 8:38 PM
I assume that Schaus will use more in-depth interviewing and selection methods, but based exclusively on youtube videos of press conferences, interviews and mic'd up practices, I'd have to rank them as follows: 

1. Phillips:  Good combination of true emotion and enthusiasm. The players will run through a wall for him.
2. Moton:  Appears to be a real patient teacher who relates well with his players. Coach K endorses him too.
3. Kelsey:  Love the energy, but he seems to be high strung, and I fear the players could grow tired of him over time.
4. Neubauer:  Seems more laid back and not as dynamic as the other three in his interviews.  However his slight drawl could help win over some of the locals.
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Posted: 4/5/2014 8:41 PM
JSF KNEW ALL ALONG SAUL WOULD GET THE JOB! THE PICTURE! THE PICTURE OF SAUL GOODMAN! YOU TOOK THE RICIN AND FED IT TO BROCK!
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Posted: 4/5/2014 10:18 PM
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Well, JSF, I've only had time to read one of your links so far. While it shows he was good at game and practice psychology, it didn't support the concept that he was a big ref baiter. I'll read the others later.


One example? Wooden’s poor reputation among referees.

“At one point, the Southern California basketball writers talked about censuring him due to his behavior toward referees, as well as opposing players,” said Davis, who interviewed roughly 200 for Wooden: A Coach’s Life. “He had a very unflattering habit of talking to opposing players.”


You assumed I read the first one first, I didn't. I was reading it at a meeting on my iPhone and I think I read the last one.  I did not read the one with the quote you posted.  That quote certainly paints a different picture than I ever got of him from watching him on TV and reading contemporary articles about him and his teams.  

I just now found the following quote from a Sports Illustrated article from 1969 that does support some of your implications but perhaps with slightly different nuances:

"I've seen him so mad that I've been afraid he'd pop that big blood vessel in his forehead," says a Pacific Coast official, "but I've never heard him curse."

"Dadburn it, you saw him double dribble down there!" hollers Wooden, now about as soft-spoken as an electric guitar. "Goodness gracious sakes alive! Everybody in the place saw that."

Eddie Powell, a former assistant who moved with him from Indiana State to UCLA in 1948, learned some psychological tricks from the past master.

"Usually sometime during the first half he would choose one incident, a close call, and jump all over the referee," said Powell. "Just chew him out in a gentlemanly manner, if there is such a thing. But let him know that there was that side of Wooden. During the half he'd seek out the referee and apologize to him. He'd say, 'I know I should have known it was a close call. I was wrong. It's just a job and you're doing the best you can.'


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1148073/index.htm




 
Last Edited: 4/5/2014 10:23:16 PM by OhioCatFan
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Posted: 4/5/2014 10:20 PM
give me kelsey.  better midwest ties.
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Posted: 4/5/2014 10:40 PM
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give me kelsey.  better midwest ties.

Phillips already has Green ties..................

 
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Posted: 4/5/2014 11:15 PM
BuddyLee wrote:expand_more
I assume that Schaus will use more in-depth interviewing and selection methods, but based exclusively on youtube videos of press conferences, interviews and mic'd up practices, I'd have to rank them as follows:

1. Phillips: Good combination of true emotion and enthusiasm. The players will run through a wall for him.
2. Moton: Appears to be a real patient teacher who relates well with his players. Coach K endorses him too.
3. Kelsey: Love the energy, but he seems to be high strung, and I fear the players could grow tired of him over time.
4. Neubauer: Seems more laid back and not as dynamic as the other three in his interviews. However his slight drawl could help win over some of the locals.
Slight drawl could win over some of the locals? I like the thoughts otherwise. I'm somewhat surprised that RMU coach Andrew Toole isn't considered as well. Robert Morris has been quite successful under him.
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