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Posted: 4/4/2014 3:00 PM
How about Boals or Dustin as head coach,  with Gary Trent as the bigs asst. coach?  Then, would we have a shot at young Trent, who I have heard is the #1 prospect in his class the last several yrs!  Thoughts?
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Posted: 4/4/2014 3:03 PM
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Since we don't know how many people will actually be on the roster (pending decisions on transfer from current roster, decisions by the previous staff's signees about whether they are still coming to Ohio, etc.), do you think most attractive candidates for this job would be willing to endure a very tough season next year until he can get a full recruiting class in here to steady the ship?  Or will this cause some candidates to shy away from the job? 

This relates to my earlier post about a short term criteria for a new coach:  does he have the ability to retain the Coach Christian recruits, or does he have enough recruiting resources to immediately bring in good players who will be eligible next year to replace players/recruits who may be lost?  

Kowalczyk at Toledo decided to go the big time transfer route, let those guys sit a year, and just accept losing for a year.  It paid off for them this year.  The big difference is, the Ohio program has been in MUCH, MUCH better shape than the UT program was when Kowalczyk came in.  We should be able to come up with a legitimate way to avoid a Wilderness Campaign next year, right? 

I think the constants of this program are so strong for the mid major level that that should counteract any misgivings about what may happen re wins/losses in the first year of a new regime.  I know Jim Schaus is a good salesman and I would expect him to effectively deal with these questions in the interview process. 



I like the approach you refer to with Kowalczyk's transfer approach, while avoiding the wilderness campaign.  Let's keep the fingers crossed.
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Posted: 4/4/2014 3:03 PM
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How about Boals or Dustin as head coach,  with Gary Trent as the bigs asst. coach?  Then, would we have a shot at young Trent, who I have heard is the #1 prospect in his class the last several yrs!  Thoughts?


Are you even reading any of these threads? Do you know how often those guys have been mentioned?

Saul Phillips would be a great hire. I would be very excited about the future of Ohio basketball if he becomes our coach.
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Posted: 4/4/2014 3:05 PM

Shabamon:  Since Saul Phillips' whole career has been in the upper Midwest/Great Lakes area (Wisconsin, North Dakota), would he be able to establish quickly a solid recruiting presence in Ohio and Indiana??

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Posted: 4/4/2014 3:06 PM
Ohio could lose Phillips pretty quickly, depending on how long Bo Ryan wants to keep coaching. I'd assume Phillips will be an option for the Badgers.
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Posted: 4/4/2014 3:08 PM
Lande71 wrote:expand_more
How about Boals or Dustin as head coach,  with Gary Trent as the bigs asst. coach?  Then, would we have a shot at young Trent, who I have heard is the #1 prospect in his class the last several yrs!  Thoughts?

Interesting idea. Kansas coach Larry Brown hired Danny Manning's dad as an assistant and, wouldn't you know it, Danny Manning decided to go there. I think he did alright. 

 
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Posted: 4/4/2014 3:14 PM
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How about Boals or Dustin as head coach,  with Gary Trent as the bigs asst. coach?  Then, would we have a shot at young Trent, who I have heard is the #1 prospect in his class the last several yrs!  Thoughts?

Interesting idea. Kansas coach Larry Brown hired Danny Manning's dad as an assistant and, wouldn't you know it, Danny Manning decided to go there. I think he did alright. 

 


Except now there are NCAA rules about hiring relatives to Assistant Coaching jobs on the college staff just to get a kid to sign there. This was a new rule implemented after things like that happened. Also, the same goes for trying to get a high school coach on your staff just to get a kid. I think there has to be a three year difference between the hiring of the coach and the recruitment of the player.

So if Ohio even wanted to sign Trent, Jr., daddy couldn't be coach until he's a Senior at least. It may be even more than that.
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Posted: 4/4/2014 3:17 PM
Per the usual Twitter sources and then Hustle Belt, Schaus is only looking at candidates with head coaching experience.   That narrows the list of candidates substantially.  So much for Boals, Dustin Ford, Bacari, etc..
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Posted: 4/4/2014 3:26 PM
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Per the usual Twitter sources and then Hustle Belt, Schaus is not looking at anyone without head coaching experience.   That narrows the list of candidates substantially.  So much for Boals, Dustin Ford, Bacari, etc..


Personally, I'm okay with that, even though I think Dustin is worthy of an interview.  I'm in favor of approaching Phillips, but the guy that intrigue's me is the guy from Robert Morris, Andrew Toole.  Also, Pat Kelsey of Winthrop via Xavier.
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Posted: 4/4/2014 3:28 PM
I'm not a big fan of Toole.
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Posted: 4/4/2014 3:31 PM
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A man with Big East experience. A man of great character. A man who has won a MAC title.

Louis Orr.

You know, I personally think that this wouldn't be a bad choice.  Despite what many on here said about him not being a good coach, I don't agree.  I think he was not able to recruit well at BG.  I suspect if he had been coaching OHIO this past year we would have finished as well, if not better, than we did under JC.  That being said, I don't expect him to be hired because of the way it would be perceived by the fan base and national and state media.  

 
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Posted: 4/4/2014 3:34 PM
Shab!  Yes, I've read it all!  Thanks for the put down!  After reading it all I'd conclude that none of what I've read is accurate and totally speculation!  I toss out out what I thought was an idea with a different twist and get your comment.  Tell me next year won't be interesting from a who do we have to even put a uni on.  We might as well put somebody out there and let them grow with the team and build it from the bottom up.  Trent has expressed an interest openly re: wanting to be a college coach!  Why not here?

and GoCat105. I think Trent's son was HS freshman this past yr.  If Trent coaches 3 yrs. here before young Trent arrives, does that rule apply?
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Posted: 4/4/2014 3:36 PM
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A man with Big East experience. A man of great character. A man who has won a MAC title.

Louis Orr.

You know, I personally think that this wouldn't be a bad choice.


Of course you don't.




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Posted: 4/4/2014 3:42 PM
Someone help me out here. What is with the infatuation with Jeff Boals?  I'm sure he is bright.  Good guy.  etc.  But he comes across as low energy.  Not electric.  Not someone that the fans/ozone can feed off of.  I'm not saying JC was.  But that was an element of Groce, Nee - and an element I think we should look to get back.  What is it with Boals?
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Posted: 4/4/2014 4:01 PM
Lande71 wrote:expand_more
Shab!  Yes, I've read it all!  Thanks for the put down!  After reading it all I'd conclude that none of what I've read is accurate and totally speculation!  I toss out out what I thought was an idea with a different twist and get your comment.  Tell me next year won't be interesting from a who do we have to even put a uni on.  We might as well put somebody out there and let them grow with the team and build it from the bottom up.  Trent has expressed an interest openly re: wanting to be a college coach!  Why not here?

and GoCat105. I think Trent's son was HS freshman this past yr.  If Trent coaches 3 yrs. here before young Trent arrives, does that rule apply?


Correct. It goes both ways, whether the coach or player gets to the college first. I can't remember the time frame, but I thought it was somewhere between three and five years.
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Posted: 4/4/2014 4:02 PM
CC Cat - no infatuation here.  Based on what you say re: Boals, is D. Ford any different?  How many of the other possibilities have that Groce, Née feature?
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Posted: 4/4/2014 4:06 PM
Does that rule apply to women's basketball? Ohio State just hired Mark Mitchell to be an assistant, and almost immediately after, his two daughters verballed to the Buckeyes.
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Someone help me out here. What is with the infatuation with Jeff Boals?  I'm sure he is bright.  Good guy.  etc.  But he comes across as low energy.  Not electric.  Not someone that the fans/ozone can feed off of.  I'm not saying JC was.  But that was an element of Groce, Nee - and an element I think we should look to get back.  What is it with Boals?

I'm not sold on him as a coach, but those of us who watched him play know that he's anything but low energy. That guy's picks could be measured on the Richter scale.

Just because a guy isn't throwing chairs or jumping up and down doesn't make him low energy.
 
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Well OU alum Matt Barnes of Channel 4 is certainly well connected and very loyal to the program, so he certainly must have some inside info. However, I certainly hope the "we are looking for someone with head coaching experience" isn't coming from the powers that be. If it is, it is silly at best presumptuous and near sighted at worst. If we use that criteria Roy Williams (who has national titles for God sakes) wouldn't be eligible. Dayton's Archie Miller just went on an Elite 8 run without head coaching experience.

As I indicated before, head coaching experience is relevant and Dustin Ford has done so at high school level, taking Jackson High School to levels never before seen in school history (at a place that is hardly a basketball power.) I hope when we mean head coaching experience we aren't ruling out Coach Ford. Being the captain of a ship, no matter how small still gives you experience, a lot more experience than some administrators watching the ships in the harbor from the safety of the Yacht Club.

Forgive me if I sound a little upset at all of this administration speak, but having coached at the high school level, there were a lot of blowhards out there pretending to know the ins and outs of coaching and setting up criteria and standards that they would never know. Again, I hope someone is feeding Matt Barnes the wrong info, for I would hate to think our powers that be are sounding the same as some of the blowhards about seventy miles northwest on Route 33.
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Posted: 4/4/2014 4:11 PM
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Someone help me out here. What is with the infatuation with Jeff Boals?  I'm sure he is bright.  Good guy.  etc.  But he comes across as low energy.  Not electric.  Not someone that the fans/ozone can feed off of.  I'm not saying JC was.  But that was an element of Groce, Nee - and an element I think we should look to get back.  What is it with Boals?

I'm not sold on him as a coach, but those of us who watched him play know that he's anything but low energy. That guy's picks could be measured on the Richter scale.

Just because a guy isn't throwing chairs or jumping up and down doesn't make him low energy.
 


As an example, I realize radio interviews are difficult - but....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4Fqm2Ne5Jk
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Posted: 4/4/2014 4:13 PM


....  saul phillips is the answer !!
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Posted: 4/4/2014 4:31 PM
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Well OU alum Matt Barnes of Channel 4 is certainly well connected and very loyal to the program, so he certainly must have some inside info. "However, I certainly hope the 'we are looking for someone with head coaching experience' isn't coming from the powers that be." ...


Even if it does come from the powers that be, remember that what they SAY they're looking for and what they are ACTUALLY looking for need not be the same thing.
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Someone help me out here. What is with the infatuation with Jeff Boals?  I'm sure he is bright.  Good guy.  etc.  But he comes across as low energy.  Not electric.  Not someone that the fans/ozone can feed off of.  I'm not saying JC was.  But that was an element of Groce, Nee - and an element I think we should look to get back.  What is it with Boals?

The biggest thing is familiarity. Same with Ford. There are going to be people who throw fits if one or the other isn't hired but no one else has hired them yet either, and there are plenty of schools who won't attract nearly the same quality candidates as Ohio that have passed on them. I'm not saying this isn't the right time for them to become head coaches, but it shouldn't be held against Schaus or the administration if they aren't hired. There probably are guys who want the job who have better credentials.
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Posted: 4/4/2014 5:13 PM
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As I indicated before, head coaching experience is relevant and Dustin Ford has done so at high school level, taking Jackson High School to levels never before seen in school history (at a place that is hardly a basketball power.) I hope when we mean head coaching experience we aren't ruling out Coach Ford.


You've got to be kidding me. Are we seriously referencing Jackson High School in a Division I coaching search?

From what I've seen of Ford, I'm just not sure if he's head coach material. His resume is pretty thin at this point.
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Posted: 4/4/2014 5:19 PM
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I'm not a big fan of Toole.


I'm curious as to why not? He kicked our rear ends on an annual basis and has made a consistent winner at a very small private school. As much as they were thorns in our side, I loved the teams that he had the last few years.
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