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Posted: 4/4/2014 4:33 AM
considering the number of times Boals has been looked over, including the same vacant position two short years ago, what is it that all these ADs are missing? there's got to be something there that doesn't pass their smell test.
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Posted: 4/4/2014 7:54 AM
If it's Dustin Ford, does that mean JS is admitting a mistake two years ago? I feel he could've at least gotten an NIT bid out of last years team and he'd be working on his own recruits. With Christian, I agree with the boo rather than applause only because he leaves with no lasting great memories, nothing that I'll think back on five years later and reminisce about ad he's pretty much leaving the cupboard bare if his recruits bail. Dustin would be going into year three, likely building his program, an extension of the one Groce was constructing.
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Posted: 4/4/2014 8:21 AM
For market comparison purposes, Richmond just extended Mooney for $1 Million per year. 

Richmond has some natural advantages with a larger population and corporate base along with a local international airport.  Smart is staying at VCU for $1.4 million per year.
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Posted: 4/4/2014 8:32 AM
I see ZERO chance it is Dustin Ford.

Pete & BigTilly said it best...there is a great chance the hire comes out of nowhere.  And then everyone will panic and react negatively, then think about it and say OK.
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Posted: 4/4/2014 8:42 AM
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For market comparison purposes, Richmond just extended Mooney for $1 Million per year. 

Richmond has some natural advantages with a larger population and corporate base along with a local international airport.  Smart is staying at VCU for $1.4 million per year.


Thanks for a further reminder of Ohio's place in the food chain.  I wonder how Richmond and Ohio compare in terms of overall university budget and endowment?  How would they compare in athletics budget and private donorship? 

Currently, I can't see Ohio being able to pay any more than half what Richmond is paying Mooney.  I think Ohio would not want to leave Solich behind if there are bigger contracts for mens basketball.

While the Big Ten and ACC are beyond Ohio's reach, I think an athletics program like Richmond would be attainable at Ohio if we keep moving up and improving our financial situation. 
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Posted: 4/4/2014 8:48 AM
Jeff, I do know that Richmond has one of the largest endowments in the country and that the tuition is very high.
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Posted: 4/4/2014 8:59 AM
It surely would be interesting to be a "mouse in J.S's briefcase" at the Final Four this week.  Would like to know who is really going to be involved in this job search and who is not.  I have my info that comes from long-time relationships in college basketball which does provide me with some "inside" info and perspective, but the man who is in charge of this search has a history of operating somewhat independently and very quietly, so much of what will appear on this site and others like it will prove out to be lots of "smoke".
As loyal fans, we are in a position where we must trust J.S. and his process, and the oversight and judgement of R.McD.
I do know this to be so:  J.C. was blindsided by this whole development.  What he told all of us two years ago was exactly the truth, and what he felt and believed to be so.   Things happen.  Times change.  JC must do what he believes is in his best interest and his families best interest.   Yes, he also has a respondibility to Ohio, and to his players, and this is where this type of decision becomes very very complex and difficult.
This is a difficult time for all concerned.  Good time to take a deep breath, step back, allow things to play out.  Back away from the railing on the bridge, and let's see what happens !
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Posted: 4/4/2014 9:04 AM
Just tossing some names out there...

Pat Kelsey

Part of the Xavier/Wake Forest coaching tree. Pretty much a carbon copy of Chris Mack.  A Cincinnati native, Elder H.S. grad, played at Xavier and graduated cum laude. Really intense coach and high energy guy like John Groce. Coached guys like Chris Paul, Jeff Teague, Josh Howard, Jordan Crawford, etc. He's already turned Winthrop into a winner in only two seasons.

Travis Steele
I guess you could say he's Pat Kelsey-lite, in that he doesn't have the head coaching experience. Graduated cum laude from Butler, coached the AAU Spiece/Indiana Adidas Elite for five years before going to Indiana, got his first job at Xavier under Sean Miller and has stuck around ever since. You could say he's responsible for Xavier's current recruiting class they are bringing in, which has been listed anywhere between Top 10 and Top 20 in recruiting classes.

Dino Gaudio
Probably unjustly fired from Wake Forest after a second round exit in the NCAA Tournament in 2010. Wake Forest hasn't been the same ever since, mind you. Coached under Skip Prosser at Wake before Prosser passed away, but also knew him way back in the 1980's in Wheeling, WV. Also coached at Army and Loyola-Maryland. Has a career winning percentage of .454, unfortunately.

Sean Woods
Played under Pitino at Kentucky. Got his first head coaching job at Mississippi Valley State and coached them for four years, earning an NCAA Tournament bid his last season. Led to the job at Morehead State, where he has turned the team around, going 20-13 and making it to the OVC semifinals.

Jeff Neubauer
Has been the head coach at Eastern Kentucky for nine years, making the postseason four times, including two NCAA Tournament berths. Recruits Ohio pretty well, with a player from Cleveland, Cincinnati, and Lancaster currently on the roster. Falls in the John Beilien coaching tree, with him at stops in Richmond and WVU before heading to EKU.
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Posted: 4/4/2014 9:29 AM
Two names, Andy Toole at RMU and Larry Harrison at WVU. If Toole does well he would leave in 3 years, Harrison might stay a while. Lets face it this job is a stepping stone to better things, continuity would be best. Ron Everhart also would be a candidate.
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Posted: 4/4/2014 9:49 AM
GoCats105 wrote:expand_more
Just tossing some names out there...

Pat Kelsey

Part of the Xavier/Wake Forest coaching tree. Pretty much a carbon copy of Chris Mack.  A Cincinnati native, Elder H.S. grad, played at Xavier and graduated cum laude. Really intense coach and high energy guy like John Groce. Coached guys like Chris Paul, Jeff Teague, Josh Howard, Jordan Crawford, etc. He's already turned Winthrop into a winner in only two seasons.

Travis Steele
I guess you could say he's Pat Kelsey-lite, in that he doesn't have the head coaching experience. Graduated cum laude from Butler, coached the AAU Spiece/Indiana Adidas Elite for five years before going to Indiana, got his first job at Xavier under Sean Miller and has stuck around ever since. You could say he's responsible for Xavier's current recruiting class they are bringing in, which has been listed anywhere between Top 10 and Top 20 in recruiting classes.

Dino Gaudio
Probably unjustly fired from Wake Forest after a second round exit in the NCAA Tournament in 2010. Wake Forest hasn't been the same ever since, mind you. Coached under Skip Prosser at Wake before Prosser passed away, but also knew him way back in the 1980's in Wheeling, WV. Also coached at Army and Loyola-Maryland. Has a career winning percentage of .454, unfortunately.

Sean Woods
Played under Pitino at Kentucky. Got his first head coaching job at Mississippi Valley State and coached them for four years, earning an NCAA Tournament bid his last season. Led to the job at Morehead State, where he has turned the team around, going 20-13 and making it to the OVC semifinals.

Jeff Neubauer
Has been the head coach at Eastern Kentucky for nine years, making the postseason four times, including two NCAA Tournament berths. Recruits Ohio pretty well, with a player from Cleveland, Cincinnati, and Lancaster currently on the roster. Falls in the John Beilien coaching tree, with him at stops in Richmond and WVU before heading to EKU.


There was another short thread asking about Dino.  I have posted with the Wake Forest folks since Grobe arrived but did not follow Wake Basketball very closely.  I inquired yesterday on the board and received a few responses despite the fact everybody was focused on the probable Danny Manning hiring.  The general consensus was that Dino was "A Players Coach" well liked by the players, their families and the fans, but maybe not the strongest X's and O's coach.  Although it has been over seven years since Prosser died (heart attack in his office), the Wake fans are really still stung by his sudden death. They still have a prominent memorial thread with his picture. He and Grobe were really tight and I know he took it hard as well. They mentioned that since Dino was a trusted assistant coach for Prosser that will always have positive thoughts about Dino. 

If he was interested, I would think Dino would be worthy of an interview.  If he is a "people person" which I think he is and enjoys the relationship aspect of coaching, being an Ohio Grad and what he went through with Prosser's death it might help keep him here for a longer period of time.
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Posted: 4/4/2014 10:01 AM
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I like Boals as a person, and he'd surely be passionate.   However, I have two major concerns:

At OSU, he's primarily responsible for the post players.

1)  OSU has had a hell of a time recruiting big men in the last few years.  I'd assume he's responsible for this endeavor, or at least has a large hand in it.  Why is he struggling to land them when they've shown success in sending big guys (Koufus, Mullins, Sullinger, Thomas) to the league?  I'm asking, because I don't know he answer.  But that is mildly concerning.

2)  Developing big men.  In the last three seasons under his tutelage, I've watched a 5* McDonalds All-American develop into a bigger flop than Mighty Wings.  This is more than mildly concerning, IMO.


Boals could always hire a former teammate as an assistant to help recruit and coach the Big Men!

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Posted: 4/4/2014 10:05 AM
Bobcat Grad 86 wrote:expand_more
Just tossing some names out there...

Pat Kelsey

Part of the Xavier/Wake Forest coaching tree. Pretty much a carbon copy of Chris Mack.  A Cincinnati native, Elder H.S. grad, played at Xavier and graduated cum laude. Really intense coach and high energy guy like John Groce. Coached guys like Chris Paul, Jeff Teague, Josh Howard, Jordan Crawford, etc. He's already turned Winthrop into a winner in only two seasons.

Travis Steele
I guess you could say he's Pat Kelsey-lite, in that he doesn't have the head coaching experience. Graduated cum laude from Butler, coached the AAU Spiece/Indiana Adidas Elite for five years before going to Indiana, got his first job at Xavier under Sean Miller and has stuck around ever since. You could say he's responsible for Xavier's current recruiting class they are bringing in, which has been listed anywhere between Top 10 and Top 20 in recruiting classes.

Dino Gaudio
Probably unjustly fired from Wake Forest after a second round exit in the NCAA Tournament in 2010. Wake Forest hasn't been the same ever since, mind you. Coached under Skip Prosser at Wake before Prosser passed away, but also knew him way back in the 1980's in Wheeling, WV. Also coached at Army and Loyola-Maryland. Has a career winning percentage of .454, unfortunately.

Sean Woods
Played under Pitino at Kentucky. Got his first head coaching job at Mississippi Valley State and coached them for four years, earning an NCAA Tournament bid his last season. Led to the job at Morehead State, where he has turned the team around, going 20-13 and making it to the OVC semifinals.

Jeff Neubauer
Has been the head coach at Eastern Kentucky for nine years, making the postseason four times, including two NCAA Tournament berths. Recruits Ohio pretty well, with a player from Cleveland, Cincinnati, and Lancaster currently on the roster. Falls in the John Beilien coaching tree, with him at stops in Richmond and WVU before heading to EKU.


There was another short thread asking about Dino.  I have posted with the Wake Forest folks since Grobe arrived but did not follow Wake Basketball very closely.  I inquired yesterday on the board and received a few responses despite the fact everybody was focused on the probable Danny Manning hiring.  The general consensus was that Dino was "A Players Coach" well liked by the players, their families and the fans, but maybe not the strongest X's and O's coach.  Although it has been over seven years since Prosser died (heart attack in his office), the Wake fans are really still stung by his sudden death. They still have a prominent memorial thread with his picture. He and Grobe were really tight and I know he took it hard as well. They mentioned that since Dino was a trusted assistant coach for Prosser that will always have positive thoughts about Dino. 

If he was interested, I would think Dino would be worthy of an interview.  If he is a "people person" which I think he is and enjoys the relationship aspect of coaching, being an Ohio Grad and what he went through with Prosser's death it might help keep him here for a longer period of time.


As stated elsewhere, Gaudio's probably making a nice chunk of change at ESPN.  Personally, I've soured on the "Christian types"--guys taking a step down from their previous coaching jobs.  Despite Arkley's intelligent and well written column on Christian, I'm certain he knew all along that if had success here, there might be better job offers, and OF COURSE he would consider them.  It would be the same with Gaudio, wanting to show he can be a winner on the big stage and using Ohio as a stepping stone, despite what he might tell Schaus and say at his opening press conference.    
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Posted: 4/4/2014 10:11 AM
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Posted: 4/4/2014 10:29 AM
Bobcat Grad 86 wrote:expand_more
Just tossing some names out there...

Pat Kelsey

Part of the Xavier/Wake Forest coaching tree. Pretty much a carbon copy of Chris Mack.  A Cincinnati native, Elder H.S. grad, played at Xavier and graduated cum laude. Really intense coach and high energy guy like John Groce. Coached guys like Chris Paul, Jeff Teague, Josh Howard, Jordan Crawford, etc. He's already turned Winthrop into a winner in only two seasons.

Travis Steele
I guess you could say he's Pat Kelsey-lite, in that he doesn't have the head coaching experience. Graduated cum laude from Butler, coached the AAU Spiece/Indiana Adidas Elite for five years before going to Indiana, got his first job at Xavier under Sean Miller and has stuck around ever since. You could say he's responsible for Xavier's current recruiting class they are bringing in, which has been listed anywhere between Top 10 and Top 20 in recruiting classes.

Dino Gaudio
Probably unjustly fired from Wake Forest after a second round exit in the NCAA Tournament in 2010. Wake Forest hasn't been the same ever since, mind you. Coached under Skip Prosser at Wake before Prosser passed away, but also knew him way back in the 1980's in Wheeling, WV. Also coached at Army and Loyola-Maryland. Has a career winning percentage of .454, unfortunately.

Sean Woods
Played under Pitino at Kentucky. Got his first head coaching job at Mississippi Valley State and coached them for four years, earning an NCAA Tournament bid his last season. Led to the job at Morehead State, where he has turned the team around, going 20-13 and making it to the OVC semifinals.

Jeff Neubauer
Has been the head coach at Eastern Kentucky for nine years, making the postseason four times, including two NCAA Tournament berths. Recruits Ohio pretty well, with a player from Cleveland, Cincinnati, and Lancaster currently on the roster. Falls in the John Beilien coaching tree, with him at stops in Richmond and WVU before heading to EKU.


There was another short thread asking about Dino.  I have posted with the Wake Forest folks since Grobe arrived but did not follow Wake Basketball very closely.  I inquired yesterday on the board and received a few responses despite the fact everybody was focused on the probable Danny Manning hiring.  The general consensus was that Dino was "A Players Coach" well liked by the players, their families and the fans, but maybe not the strongest X's and O's coach.  Although it has been over seven years since Prosser died (heart attack in his office), the Wake fans are really still stung by his sudden death. They still have a prominent memorial thread with his picture. He and Grobe were really tight and I know he took it hard as well. They mentioned that since Dino was a trusted assistant coach for Prosser that will always have positive thoughts about Dino. 

If he was interested, I would think Dino would be worthy of an interview.  If he is a "people person" which I think he is and enjoys the relationship aspect of coaching, being an Ohio Grad and what he went through with Prosser's death it might help keep him here for a longer period of time.


I honestly didn't even know Gaudio was an Ohio grad. That's even more of an incentive to give him a look at least. And a graduate of Xavier during the Pete Gillen years.
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Posted: 4/4/2014 10:38 AM
GoCats105 wrote:expand_more
Just tossing some names out there...

Pat Kelsey

Part of the Xavier/Wake Forest coaching tree. Pretty much a carbon copy of Chris Mack.  A Cincinnati native, Elder H.S. grad, played at Xavier and graduated cum laude. Really intense coach and high energy guy like John Groce. Coached guys like Chris Paul, Jeff Teague, Josh Howard, Jordan Crawford, etc. He's already turned Winthrop into a winner in only two seasons.

Travis Steele
I guess you could say he's Pat Kelsey-lite, in that he doesn't have the head coaching experience. Graduated cum laude from Butler, coached the AAU Spiece/Indiana Adidas Elite for five years before going to Indiana, got his first job at Xavier under Sean Miller and has stuck around ever since. You could say he's responsible for Xavier's current recruiting class they are bringing in, which has been listed anywhere between Top 10 and Top 20 in recruiting classes.

Dino Gaudio
Probably unjustly fired from Wake Forest after a second round exit in the NCAA Tournament in 2010. Wake Forest hasn't been the same ever since, mind you. Coached under Skip Prosser at Wake before Prosser passed away, but also knew him way back in the 1980's in Wheeling, WV. Also coached at Army and Loyola-Maryland. Has a career winning percentage of .454, unfortunately.

Sean Woods
Played under Pitino at Kentucky. Got his first head coaching job at Mississippi Valley State and coached them for four years, earning an NCAA Tournament bid his last season. Led to the job at Morehead State, where he has turned the team around, going 20-13 and making it to the OVC semifinals.

Jeff Neubauer
Has been the head coach at Eastern Kentucky for nine years, making the postseason four times, including two NCAA Tournament berths. Recruits Ohio pretty well, with a player from Cleveland, Cincinnati, and Lancaster currently on the roster. Falls in the John Beilien coaching tree, with him at stops in Richmond and WVU before heading to EKU.


There was another short thread asking about Dino.  I have posted with the Wake Forest folks since Grobe arrived but did not follow Wake Basketball very closely.  I inquired yesterday on the board and received a few responses despite the fact everybody was focused on the probable Danny Manning hiring.  The general consensus was that Dino was "A Players Coach" well liked by the players, their families and the fans, but maybe not the strongest X's and O's coach.  Although it has been over seven years since Prosser died (heart attack in his office), the Wake fans are really still stung by his sudden death. They still have a prominent memorial thread with his picture. He and Grobe were really tight and I know he took it hard as well. They mentioned that since Dino was a trusted assistant coach for Prosser that will always have positive thoughts about Dino. 

If he was interested, I would think Dino would be worthy of an interview.  If he is a "people person" which I think he is and enjoys the relationship aspect of coaching, being an Ohio Grad and what he went through with Prosser's death it might help keep him here for a longer period of time.


I honestly didn't even know Gaudio was an Ohio grad. That's even more of an incentive to give him a look at least. And a graduate of Xavier during the Pete Gillen years.


Would it be a bad reason to want him just because he's a native of my area?  (My mom actually at one point worked with his mom....)
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Posted: 4/4/2014 10:42 AM
Until the MAC improves as a conference top to bottom, we will be a stepping stone.  We may as well embrace it.  As far as left field candidates, Dane Fife.
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Posted: 4/4/2014 10:57 AM
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Until the MAC improves as a conference top to bottom, we will be a stepping stone.  We may as well embrace it.  As far as left field candidates, Dane Fife.



NOOOOO Thanks. Bobby Knight wannabe with all the sabre rattling, player demoralization and none of the bb intellect.
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Posted: 4/4/2014 11:00 AM
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Criteria for selecting a coach:

Long term: Hire a coach who will build a program where future head coaches can be developed from within the staff. Look to Butler and Xavier as examples of this. Set a goal of continuity in the program when future coaching changes happen.

Short term: Hire a coach who can stop the bleeding--either retain the recruits signed by the Christian staff, or else have the recruiting resources to bring in several good players of his own who will be eligible next season.

Other thoughts:

* Hire a coach who will put together a staff which can be very strong in recruiting the state of Ohio and surrounding states.
* Emphasize making immediate connection with current players.
* Emphasize integrity; someone who will not get Ohio in trouble with the NCAA.
* Hire a coach who will have a strong personal relationship with his players.



What about Kevin Kuwik? A former Ohio guy with great background.
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Would it be a bad reason to want him just because he's a native of my area?  (My mom actually at one point worked with his mom....)

Can you just have your mom call his mom and coordinate the interview?

 
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Posted: 4/4/2014 11:56 AM
Quote from Jim Schaus on the coaching search.

“I want to thank Jim Christian for all he did for our program during his tenure. I wish he and his family the very best in the future. Moving forward, we will begin a national search immediately. Ohio University is a special place with a strong basketball tradition of success. I am extremely confident that we will attract a high level coach soon who will help us continue to build our program to the highest level of excellence.”

www.ohiobobcats.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/040414aaa.html

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Posted: 4/4/2014 12:01 PM
Another name off the top of my head at a school that is not a traditional basketball school.

Donny Tyndall from Southern Miss
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Quote from Jim Schaus on the coaching search.

“I want to thank Jim Christian for all he did for our program during his tenure. I wish he and his family the very best in the future. Moving forward, we will begin a national search immediately. Ohio University is a special place with a strong basketball tradition of success. I am extremely confident that we will attract a high level coach soon who will help us continue to build our program to the highest level of excellence.”

www.ohiobobcats.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/040414aaa.html


Get Dru Evarts on the horn.
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Posted: 4/4/2014 12:05 PM
GoCats105 wrote:expand_more
Another name off the top of my head at a school that is not a traditional basketball school.

Donny Tyndall from Southern Miss


I really, REALLY like Donny Tyndall. I think we would have been an attractive job to him if he was still at Morehead. I wouldn't be surprised if Southern Miss is paying him more than we could afford.
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Posted: 4/4/2014 12:09 PM
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Another name off the top of my head at a school that is not a traditional basketball school.

Donny Tyndall from Southern Miss


I really, REALLY like Donny Tyndall. I think we would have been an attractive job to him if he was still at Morehead. I wouldn't be surprised if Southern Miss is paying him more than we could afford.


Just signed a new contract in January. Darn.

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