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Posted: 5/21/2014 8:07 PM
Giacomo, I'd take our record over the first 80 or so home games and probably a lot more than that.  I think, w/o looking it up!, we only lost a couple out of our first 50 home games against some really good competition!  It was a real advantage for a long time.
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Posted: 5/21/2014 8:24 PM
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Well, since the photo was taken 2 minutes before the tip, wondering why it's an issue.  Guessing a bunch of those people will sit down at the start of the game.  And I can clearly see the score - it's 0-0.  

Good point, though, on those above the south boards.



Fact is, SBH, many of them don't sit down, and when they sit down in seats provided by the AD's idiot crew they still block many things on the scoreboard.  This is TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE, to paraphrase my former student from that institution in Huntington, W.Va..  If I had a million dollars I'd fix this problem tomorrow.  I would make a donation to the cause if it was ever made an official project.  If a thousand BAers each gave $1,000 we could solve this nagging problem. 
 
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Posted: 5/21/2014 9:46 PM
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The Convo is a very nice arena and more than good enough to compete. Having a hanging scoreboard is not going to turn us into the next Gonzaga.


I know it won't. But I do believe it could be just enough of a difference-maker between a "decent arena" and a "very good arena" in a recruit's eyes. If it gets us a couple/few top-tier recruits who end up helping us get to another NCAA Tournament or two, the value becomes inestimable.

Even if that happens, it'll make a nice perk for fans in the stands. I think that million bucks could pay for itself over time regardless of recruiting.


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Posted: 5/21/2014 11:00 PM
The first 59 home games (1968-1973) at the Convo the Bobcats won 86% (51-8) of the home games. The overall win total of those years was 85-42 or 67%. Away or on a neutral site the Bobcat were 34-34. Ohio Bobcats were 3-0 vs the top 25 (#13 Purdue, #4 Ohio State, #12 Indiana) at the Convo during those years.
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Posted: 5/22/2014 9:27 AM
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a hanging scoreboard is an enhancement, not a necessity, those that are against it because 'we've done just fine without it' are missing the point.


I'd say in the case of the location of the scoreboards, it would be a significant enhancement.  I don't think a "hanging" board is vital.

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While it would certainly be nice to have better scoreboard(s) in the Convo, does the existing situation cost us any fan support? I very much doubt it.  Would we attract more fans if we had a better scoreboard? That's an awfully tough argument to make.


My argument for having a video board is actually based more on recruiting. When someone walks into the Convo for the first time, he/she looks around for such a board and thinks, "Where is it?" When you go to a game and realize how worthless those boards are down low -- and how hard they are to see -- you think, "This is a second-rate arena."


So it is your belief that recruits are brought into the arena from the upper concourse level and that we have people standing in front of the scoreboards to block their view?  When a prospective player walks onto the floor, he has four scoreboards right in his line of sight.  There's no missing them from floor level. And I very much doubt his decision will be based on his walking up into the upper seating area to see how visible the scoreboard is for the average fan.

Again, I agree that it would be great to have a big-time scoreboard, but an honest cost-benefit analysis would indicate that our floor-level boards aren't costing us fans or recruits.

On another topic, someone complained about people standing in front of the scoreboards.  I agree that this can be an issue with the two boards on the north side of the arena. (More administrative people standing around there.)  No one stands in front of the south boards, however, so it takes, what, half a second, to look over there?


Yea, I mean, just take a second and walk partially around the arena until you have a better view of an unblocked board...


So if I want to see the scoreboard to know how many timeouts are left, or how many fouls the opponent is from putting OUr guys in to the bonus, you're suggesting the solution is to get out of a seat during play to see the scoreboard? 
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Posted: 5/22/2014 10:44 AM
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The Convo is a very nice arena and more than good enough to compete. Having a hanging scoreboard is not going to turn us into the next Gonzaga.


I know it won't. But I do believe it could be just enough of a difference-maker between a "decent arena" and a "very good arena" in a recruit's eyes. If it gets us a couple/few top-tier recruits who end up helping us get to another NCAA Tournament or two, the value becomes inestimable.

Even if that happens, it'll make a nice perk for fans in the stands. I think that million bucks could pay for itself over time regardless of recruiting.






I'd like to know more about how it could pay for itself.  Are you saying it will significantly boost attendance?  There are people who do not attend our games because of issues seeing the stats on fouls, etc?  Again, I would love a center-hung unit as much as anyone else, but I think we have much bigger needs elsewhere.

And to open another can of worms, we need a better football scoreboard far more desperately than B-ball because our football facility is so mediocre overall. 
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The Convo is a very nice arena and more than good enough to compete. Having a hanging scoreboard is not going to turn us into the next Gonzaga.


I know it won't. But I do believe it could be just enough of a difference-maker between a "decent arena" and a "very good arena" in a recruit's eyes. If it gets us a couple/few top-tier recruits who end up helping us get to another NCAA Tournament or two, the value becomes inestimable.

Even if that happens, it'll make a nice perk for fans in the stands. I think that million bucks could pay for itself over time regardless of recruiting.




I'd like to know more about how it could pay for itself.  Are you saying it will significantly boost attendance?  There are people who do not attend our games because of issues seeing the stats on fouls, etc?  Again, I would live a center-hung unit as much as anyone else, but I think we have much bigger needs elsewhere.

And to open another can of worms, we need a better football scoreboard far more desperately than B-ball because our football facility is so mediocre overall. 


Really?  What does it take, like 2 seconds to grab your binoculars to read the scoreboard at Peden?


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Posted: 5/22/2014 11:40 AM
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Well, since the photo was taken 2 minutes before the tip, wondering why it's an issue.  Guessing a bunch of those people will sit down at the start of the game.  And I can clearly see the score - it's 0-0.  

Good point, though, on those above the south boards.



Fact is, SBH, many of them don't sit down, and when they sit down in seats provided by the AD's idiot crew they still block many things on the scoreboard.  This is TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE, to paraphrase my former student from that institution in Huntington, W.Va..  If I had a million dollars I'd fix this problem tomorrow.  I would make a donation to the cause if it was ever made an official project.  If a thousand BAers each gave $1,000 we could solve this nagging problem. 
 
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You sound like the old guy at games who gets mad when fans stand to cheer and make noise for their team.

 
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Posted: 5/22/2014 1:15 PM
Well, Billy, I know from experience that OCF is downright raucous in his behavior, at least at Peden. 
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Posted: 5/22/2014 5:04 PM
Does anyone know off the top of their heads how many MAC arenas have them?  I admit I have never been to a MAC game away from the Convo.  I know Eastern Michigan has one, who else?
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Posted: 5/22/2014 5:31 PM
Ball State does. Can't remember Akron or Kent.
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Posted: 5/22/2014 8:23 PM
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Well, since the photo was taken 2 minutes before the tip, wondering why it's an issue.  Guessing a bunch of those people will sit down at the start of the game.  And I can clearly see the score - it's 0-0.  

Good point, though, on those above the south boards.



This response was in regard to a picture on an earlier page of this thread.  SBH, one would THINK that would be the case but it isn't.  Now the north are routinely blocked by various Ohio official folks and at the other end those are regularly blocked.  The cheerleaders have been moved to that location to accommodate the courtside seats and are frequently in the way (yes. you would think someone would mention to them or they would think of it themselves-I sure as hell would have made sure my daughter and her crew knew when she was cheering).

There are many other locations where there are limited sight lines to the scoreboard so even one person standing in front of one scoreboard means some fans cannot see the entire board.  Usually it affects the timeouts, number of fouls or number of points.

The point is that the scoreboard situation, while maybe not a deal breaker in the big picture, is just like the discussions about the game webcasts.  It doesn't seem like a big deal to do something about it.  In this case a good start would be for someone to take cahharge and tell folks to move away from in front of the scoreboards while they figure out how to get something with better sight lines and perhaps more game information.


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Posted: 5/22/2014 8:52 PM
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Well, since the photo was taken 2 minutes before the tip, wondering why it's an issue.  Guessing a bunch of those people will sit down at the start of the game.  And I can clearly see the score - it's 0-0.  

Good point, though, on those above the south boards.



This response was in regard to a picture on an earlier page of this thread.  SBH, one would THINK that would be the case but it isn't.  Now the north are routinely blocked by various Ohio official folks and at the other end those are regularly blocked.  The cheerleaders have been moved to that location to accommodate the courtside seats and are frequently in the way (yes. you would think someone would mention to them or they would think of it themselves-I sure as hell would have made sure my daughter and her crew knew when she was cheering).

There are many other locations where there are limited sight lines to the scoreboard so even one person standing in front of one scoreboard means some fans cannot see the entire board.  Usually it affects the timeouts, number of fouls or number of points.

The point is that the scoreboard situation, while maybe not a deal breaker in the big picture, is just like the discussions about the game webcasts.  It doesn't seem like a big deal to do something about it.  In this case a good start would be for someone to take cahharge and tell folks to move away from in front of the scoreboards while they figure out how to get something with better sight lines and perhaps more game information.



I agree with you.  I have had the same frustration in making common sense suggestions to this staff; they don't listen.  The made a change to the Tower Club seating access at Peden a couple of years ago that puts elderly people at risk of falls. I've seen three or four stumbles (including Rob Cornelius's mother) that could have led to broken hips or worse.  I brought it to the AD's attention, he said thank you very much and two plus years later nothing has changed and no one has responded to my request for an update.  So this year I'm not renewing my seats.  When they ask why, I'll be ready with an answer.

 


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Posted: 5/22/2014 10:20 PM
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Does anyone know off the top of their heads how many MAC arenas have them?  I admit I have never been to a MAC game away from the Convo.  I know Eastern Michigan has one, who else?


Miami and Akron. Buffalo has a brand new one.
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Posted: 5/22/2014 10:36 PM
Well BTC, JM knows my game-time behavior much better than you do.  Don't lump all us Old Zone types together. Some of us are up out of our seats all the time -- at both football and basketball games.  In fact, when I jump up at basketball games, I often move over into the aisle (I have an aisle seat) because a couple a few rows behind me are a little frail and can't get up and I don't want to block their "site lines." 
 
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Posted: 5/22/2014 11:59 PM
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So this year I'm not renewing my seats.  When they ask why, I'll be ready with an answer


I've got to be honest, that seems like quite a childish reaction that certainly won't solve the problem (or help Ohio Athletics in any manner).

And I've sat in the Tower Club for years and have never seen this "dangerous" set-up that you speak of. In fact, not much has changed since 1992 from what I can see. If I'm making a list of demands, it's to put new seats up there.
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Posted: 5/23/2014 7:05 AM
Northern Illinois has an excellent board, Western is getting a new one this year, Central is a pretty sweet set up

The boards at Akron on the ends have excellent graphic and LOTSA information and stats at all times 

Kent is not really great with their placement of things but they have info available if you know where to look. But really....the boards take a back seat to the rest of the facility in that case. 

Toledo is excellent all around. Easy to see. Goood info. Big time since the remodel

Hmmmmm that concludes the tour.. 

EDITn Ball State

 
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Posted: 5/23/2014 8:39 AM
Someone may have already mentioned this, but Ball State has a hanging scoreboard.  But it's very bare bones and not much to write home about.  There are no video boards attached.  They may have video boards somewhere in Worthen; I can't remember. 

Bornacat is right.  Akron's setup is very good. 

Bowling Green has one large scoreboard/video board attached to the wall on the student section side of the arena.  It is attractive and functional.
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Posted: 5/23/2014 9:27 AM
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So this year I'm not renewing my seats.  When they ask why, I'll be ready with an answer


I've got to be honest, that seems like quite a childish reaction that certainly won't solve the problem (or help Ohio Athletics in any manner).

And I've sat in the Tower Club for years and have never seen this "dangerous" set-up that you speak of. In fact, not much has changed since 1992 from what I can see. If I'm making a list of demands, it's to put new seats up there.


Well, certainly, if you haven't seen people fall down, then it doesn't happen.

My seats are in the first row of the first access aisle to Tower Club (roughly 20 yard line?).  As you might know, there used to be three aisles leading from the base of Peden into the Tower Club. Three years ago, they blocked off the middle aisle - at the 50 yard line - with an extension of the fence.  I presume this change was made to eliminate the need for a third usher to check tickets.  The unfortunate consequences of this - which I have articulated to Jim Schaus - are as follows:

1.  Many elderly folks with mobility issues have historically used the Tower Club elevator to get to the top of Peden, then walk down the few steps to access their reserved (non Tower Club) seats near the 50 yard line. They now no longer have access to the center aisle from the top of Peden and are forced to use one of the two remaining aisles and then cut across other sections to get to their seats. I have personally helped pick up several these dedicated fans when they have stumbled trying to cut across the section.

2.   Many elderly Tower Club seat holders still choose to walk up the steps from the base of Peden to access their seats, perhaps because there can be a long line for the elevator right before kickoff.  These fans - some of whom are using canes - are often so exhausted by the time they get to the Tower Club fence that they can barely make it up the remaining steps to access their seats.  By eliminating the mid-field access to Tower Club, the university has forced some of them to walk all the way to the top of the stadium, then through the congested tower area to access their seats at the center of the Tower Club.

3.  The least serious issue is that ushers now encourage all other Tower Club seat holders to use Row 1 as their "aisle" to other sections rather than using the Tower area. If the mid-field access were still available, this would be eliminated. This is irritating for many of us in the first row (having to get up 20 times per game), but not at all intolerable...just inconvenient.

Lastly, the steps leading to Tower Club are of a different height and depth than the rest of the steps ascending Peden. This in itself has caused multiple stumbles/falls for fans of all ages..which I get to see firsthand as I sit right on the aisle. It's only a matter of time before someone gets seriously hurt.  I've seen scraped elbows and hands but at some point there's going to be a head injury or broken hip. At the very least, these last few steps should be more clearly marked or a sign erected to warn fans.  Perhaps I am overly sensitive to this since I spent many years accompanying my handicapped father to sporting events in his later years.  These issues could be resolved quickly, easily and at minimal cost...yet no one has done anything.

As to whether my response is "childish," what would you suggest after having sent a personal, detailed note to the AD and having been assured that someone would look into it and respond.  It's been more than two years.


 
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Posted: 5/23/2014 1:51 PM
I can certainly understand the concerns of SBH as I have assisted my father the better part of the last decade.  He needs both knees replaced but his heart condition and other issues do not allow for the surgery.  Getting him into the stadium at Penn State was not easy although he pretty much floated out of the stadium after the victory.

I do remember the people at Ford Field gate in 2006 making him ditch his umbrella that doubled as a cane although his condition was not nearly as bad in 2006.  He explained he did not plan on opening the umbrella for an indoor game even though it was pouring outside and that the main reason he wanted to keep it was for his balance if needed.  I guess they thought he might use it as a weapon.  We left it outside the stadium but of course it was gone when we left.
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I would say as a general statement that Peden is not unique to the campus or the town in the challenges it creates for people with limited mobility. Any effort to improve upon this is a worthwhile one.
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Posted: 5/23/2014 9:31 PM
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I do remember the people at Ford Field gate in 2006 making him ditch his umbrella that doubled as a cane although his condition was not nearly as bad in 2006.  He explained he did not plan on opening the umbrella for an indoor game even though it was pouring outside and that the main reason he wanted to keep it was for his balance if needed.  I guess they thought he might use it as a weapon.  We left it outside the stadium but of course it was gone when we left.


Ugh, the people who make these policies and the people who enforce them need to get over themselves and practice a little freaking empathy and compassion. Is an old man going to beat someone with his umbrella cane? No. No, he is not. Let him in.
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Is an old man going to beat someone with his umbrella cane? No. No, he is not. Let him in.


That's what Indiana Jones thought and then...well...

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Bobcat Grad 86 wrote:expand_more
I do remember the people at Ford Field gate in 2006 making him ditch his umbrella that doubled as a cane although his condition was not nearly as bad in 2006.  He explained he did not plan on opening the umbrella for an indoor game even though it was pouring outside and that the main reason he wanted to keep it was for his balance if needed.  I guess they thought he might use it as a weapon.  We left it outside the stadium but of course it was gone when we left.


Unless my memory is totally flipping out, I remember this ridiculous scene.  Wasn't this the year we were standing in the rain with you in line to pick up tickets?
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Posted: 5/25/2014 11:24 AM
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So this year I'm not renewing my seats.  When they ask why, I'll be ready with an answer


I've got to be honest, that seems like quite a childish reaction that certainly won't solve the problem (or help Ohio Athletics in any manner).

And I've sat in the Tower Club for years and have never seen this "dangerous" set-up that you speak of. In fact, not much has changed since 1992 from what I can see. If I'm making a list of demands, it's to put new seats up there.


Well, certainly, if you haven't seen people fall down, then it doesn't happen.

My seats are in the first row of the first access aisle to Tower Club (roughly 20 yard line?).  As you might know, there used to be three aisles leading from the base of Peden into the Tower Club. Three years ago, they blocked off the middle aisle - at the 50 yard line - with an extension of the fence.  I presume this change was made to eliminate the need for a third usher to check tickets.  The unfortunate consequences of this - which I have articulated to Jim Schaus - are as follows:

1.  Many elderly folks with mobility issues have historically used the Tower Club elevator to get to the top of Peden, then walk down the few steps to access their reserved (non Tower Club) seats near the 50 yard line. They now no longer have access to the center aisle from the top of Peden and are forced to use one of the two remaining aisles and then cut across other sections to get to their seats. I have personally helped pick up several these dedicated fans when they have stumbled trying to cut across the section.

2.   Many elderly Tower Club seat holders still choose to walk up the steps from the base of Peden to access their seats, perhaps because there can be a long line for the elevator right before kickoff.  These fans - some of whom are using canes - are often so exhausted by the time they get to the Tower Club fence that they can barely make it up the remaining steps to access their seats.  By eliminating the mid-field access to Tower Club, the university has forced some of them to walk all the way to the top of the stadium, then through the congested tower area to access their seats at the center of the Tower Club.

3.  The least serious issue is that ushers now encourage all other Tower Club seat holders to use Row 1 as their "aisle" to other sections rather than using the Tower area. If the mid-field access were still available, this would be eliminated. This is irritating for many of us in the first row (having to get up 20 times per game), but not at all intolerable...just inconvenient.

Lastly, the steps leading to Tower Club are of a different height and depth than the rest of the steps ascending Peden. This in itself has caused multiple stumbles/falls for fans of all ages..which I get to see firsthand as I sit right on the aisle. It's only a matter of time before someone gets seriously hurt.  I've seen scraped elbows and hands but at some point there's going to be a head injury or broken hip. At the very least, these last few steps should be more clearly marked or a sign erected to warn fans.  Perhaps I am overly sensitive to this since I spent many years accompanying my handicapped father to sporting events in his later years.  These issues could be resolved quickly, easily and at minimal cost...yet no one has done anything.

As to whether my response is "childish," what would you suggest after having sent a personal, detailed note to the AD and having been assured that someone would look into it and respond.  It's been more than two years.
 


I understand the problem. My seats are almost on the 50 so it's understandable that I wouldn't have seen much of this firsthand. As for the railing, I think it's been closed off far longer than 3 years...I honestly don't remember it being open for maybe 10 or so. But still, I see your point.

This sort of thing is a bit below Schaus' paygrade. Not saying that he shouldn't have responded...but still, it's not exactly what's at the top of his list. Perhaps facilities or the sales team would have been a better place to start. But to not renew your season tickets just because Jim Schaus didn't run out to Peden with a sledgehammer the day he got your letter seems silly. And knowing Jim Schaus, I doubt that he completely ignored your suggestion.
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