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Posted: 5/19/2014 1:12 PM
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Anybody else still remember the flip chart scoreboard UNC had at Carmichael Arena?


Unfortunately, I do.  I also remember analog time clocks, "modern" score boards with burnt out lights that made reading them like Wheel of Fortune and lots of other crap I can't get out of my head.

I don't think a hanging board is the best answer for the Convo.  Our crowds are concentrated around the floor and Alan's correct that having to look straight up to see board is bad business.  The corner idea is workable, even as currently configured.  We just need someone with enough &*%$s to move the crowd out of the way. 
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Posted: 5/19/2014 2:56 PM
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Sponsor opportunities are a big part of a new scoreboard, and Schaus is not a fan of sponsors. Scoreboards don't add that much to the atmosphere or bottom line when comparing it to other options.



Wow.  This the same AD who is trying to sell naming rights to the building?


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Posted: 5/19/2014 5:44 PM
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So in this whole discussion, what will those of us in attendance gain? What is the value add? What are the benefits of adding a hanging board or video boards? I've been in the Convo since 1979 and I'm not sure what this will add to the "experience." All I want to see is a Bobcat win and 70 points so that we can all get "lave cake."
I'm fascinated by this hypothesis that basketball arenas shouldn't have hanging scoreboard because they do not benefit the people in attendance. Are you suggesting that they somehow benefit the people that DON'T attend? Or are you saying that, in general, basketball fans don't find the information (stats, replays, etc) on video boards to be of value? If that is a common feeling then what would you attest their overall popularity to?
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Posted: 5/19/2014 10:56 PM
Maybe all these hanging scoreboard naysayers are right. I've thought about it, and I'm pretty sure NBA arenas have hanging scoreboards because the owners want to punish the people in the cheap courtside seats. From personal experience, I really hated sitting in the second row in Ypsilanti and having to look up to quickly see who was on the floor, how many fouls and points they had, and a number of high-def highlights. Man, that took a lot away from the otherwise electric atmosphere at EMU. I'm glad we can differentiate ourselves with the original scoreboard design from the 1968 building plans of the Convo.
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Posted: 5/19/2014 11:45 PM
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Sponsor opportunities are a big part of a new scoreboard, and Schaus is not a fan of sponsors. Scoreboards don't add that much to the atmosphere or bottom line when comparing it to other options.


Huh?


This is fairly well known.  Take a look at our website compared to others for starters....no ads above the scroll. It's a philosophy he believes in. Keep the product clean because fans don't like advertisers. It has some merit but I wholeheartedly disagree especially when you operate in the red.  Ask around and you'll hear the same thing...

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Posted: 5/20/2014 7:58 AM
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Sponsor opportunities are a big part of a new scoreboard, and Schaus is not a fan of sponsors. Scoreboards don't add that much to the atmosphere or bottom line when comparing it to other options.


Huh?


This is fairly well known.  Take a look at our website compared to others for starters....no ads above the scroll. It's a philosophy he believes in. Keep the product clean because fans don't like advertisers. It has some merit but I wholeheartedly disagree especially when you operate in the red.  Ask around and you'll hear the same thing...


Yet both the Convo and Peden Stadium have more advertising signage than has ever been in the buildings before. And hasn't it been discussed on this board that the promotions during timeouts at basketball games are getting tiresome? No AD in the history of college sports doesn't like sponsors. And keeping a website clean is one thing, not wanting sponsors is another. I would argue its next to impossible to operate an athletic department without them. Sure you can get necessary dollars from lots and lots and lots and lots of donations plus ticket and merchandise revenue, but schools in Ohio's situation don't have that luxury. Sponsors create cash flow and exposure immediately.
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Posted: 5/20/2014 8:35 AM
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Sponsor opportunities are a big part of a new scoreboard, and Schaus is not a fan of sponsors. Scoreboards don't add that much to the atmosphere or bottom line when comparing it to other options.


Huh?


This is fairly well known.  Take a look at our website compared to others for starters....no ads above the scroll. It's a philosophy he believes in. Keep the product clean because fans don't like advertisers. It has some merit but I wholeheartedly disagree especially when you operate in the red.  Ask around and you'll hear the same thing...


Yet both the Convo and Peden Stadium have more advertising signage than has ever been in the buildings before. And hasn't it been discussed on this board that the promotions during timeouts at basketball games are getting tiresome? No AD in the history of college sports doesn't like sponsors. And keeping a website clean is one thing, not wanting sponsors is another. I would argue its next to impossible to operate an athletic department without them. Sure you can get necessary dollars from lots and lots and lots and lots of donations plus ticket and merchandise revenue, but schools in Ohio's situation don't have that luxury. Sponsors create cash flow and exposure immediately.

Correct, just because you don't want your website and arena to look like a NASCAR doesn't mean that you don't like sponsors.

 
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Posted: 5/20/2014 10:17 AM
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Sponsor opportunities are a big part of a new scoreboard, and Schaus is not a fan of sponsors. Scoreboards don't add that much to the atmosphere or bottom line when comparing it to other options.


Huh?


This is fairly well known.  Take a look at our website compared to others for starters....no ads above the scroll. It's a philosophy he believes in. Keep the product clean because fans don't like advertisers. It has some merit but I wholeheartedly disagree especially when you operate in the red.  Ask around and you'll hear the same thing...


Yet both the Convo and Peden Stadium have more advertising signage than has ever been in the buildings before. And hasn't it been discussed on this board that the promotions during timeouts at basketball games are getting tiresome? No AD in the history of college sports doesn't like sponsors. And keeping a website clean is one thing, not wanting sponsors is another. I would argue its next to impossible to operate an athletic department without them. Sure you can get necessary dollars from lots and lots and lots and lots of donations plus ticket and merchandise revenue, but schools in Ohio's situation don't have that luxury. Sponsors create cash flow and exposure immediately.

Correct, just because you don't want your website and arena to look like a NASCAR doesn't mean that you don't like sponsors.

 
THere is a dearth of sponsors compared to 2008 that are prominently displayed around the councourse and on the panels and stanchions courtside. I am not sure of the money involved but the statement that our AD is not actively courting them does not track with his actions. Keeping a website clean and focused on OHIO athletics does not equal him not being a fan of sponsors. Doing it tastefully is a virtue I admire. 


 
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Posted: 5/20/2014 7:01 PM
I'm with Alan on this.  While it would certainly be nice to have better scoreboard(s) in the Convo, does the existing situation cost us any fan support? I very much doubt it.  Would we attract more fans if we had a better scoreboard? That's an awfully tough argument to make.  We have greater needs in other areas.  If someone wants to pony up $1 million for a hanging board, great.  If not, I doubt we're going to suffer from it.


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Posted: 5/20/2014 11:09 PM
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While it would certainly be nice to have better scoreboard(s) in the Convo, does the existing situation cost us any fan support? I very much doubt it.  Would we attract more fans if we had a better scoreboard? That's an awfully tough argument to make.


My argument for having a video board is actually based more on recruiting. When someone walks into the Convo for the first time, he/she looks around for such a board and thinks, "Where is it?" When you go to a game and realize how worthless those boards are down low -- and how hard they are to see -- you think, "This is a second-rate arena."

I'd love to have a video board somewhere visible (overhead or in corners) so I could see replays and stats, but the biggest reason I want it is to be the last piece of the puzzle when Saul brings in a recruit. It's a beautiful building, but it looks kind of 1968 without a video board up high.

Better recruits = more wins = more fans = better home-court advantage = even more wins = even better recruits = etc. Not that a video board gets us Jabari Parker types, but it could help a bit. And $1 million isn't that much of an expense, all things considered.

Go big or go home! Go Bobcats!
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Posted: 5/20/2014 11:31 PM
Interesting. Doing a little research and ran across this very wrong caption along with the  picture. 


SPec sheet. Not sure what all it means but reading it is interesting


  Tenn Tech take on Gameday
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Posted: 5/21/2014 1:54 AM
I'm getting into the minutia here but I just want to throw out there that if we get a center hung scoreboard the big graphic underneath it that you see when you look up from center court has to be a paw print. No exceptions.
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Posted: 5/21/2014 7:31 AM
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  Tenn Tech take on Gameday

The Tenn Tech board was being installed when we visited two weeks ago. At that time, it was still resting on the floor itself. It's impressive and, I think, will help create a more exciting game atmosphere. They were also updating the scoreboards around the perimeter of the arena.

 
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Posted: 5/21/2014 8:26 AM

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While it would certainly be nice to have better scoreboard(s) in the Convo, does the existing situation cost us any fan support? I very much doubt it.  Would we attract more fans if we had a better scoreboard? That's an awfully tough argument to make.


My argument for having a video board is actually based more on recruiting. When someone walks into the Convo for the first time, he/she looks around for such a board and thinks, "Where is it?" When you go to a game and realize how worthless those boards are down low -- and how hard they are to see -- you think, "This is a second-rate arena."

I'd love to have a video board somewhere visible (overhead or in corners) so I could see replays and stats, but the biggest reason I want it is to be the last piece of the puzzle when Saul brings in a recruit. It's a beautiful building, but it looks kind of 1968 without a video board up high.

Better recruits = more wins = more fans = better home-court advantage = even more wins = even better recruits = etc. Not that a video board gets us Jabari Parker types, but it could help a bit. And $1 million isn't that much of an expense, all things considered.

Go big or go home! Go Bobcats!

 

I agree completely. I couldn't have said it better myself.
 

From listening to others, the idea of four boards around the top (a la Richmond) has grown on me because i think that could be cool for atmosphere. However, I am not real keen in the idea of taking out seats, and it has nothing to do with graduation.
We already have a great fanbase and a "high major" atmosphere. We have SIGNIFICANTLY upped our spending on men's hoops and it shows when looking at the jump in the salary of our head coach the last decade and our spending compared to other MAC programs and other mid-majors in men's hoops. 1 million is a lot of cash but we are already committing big dollars to the program.... 1 mil with Pepsi sponsoring the board doesn't seem all that insane for a program at the point we are at.... Especially if you think it can help in recruiting, which I personally think it could.

 

 

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Posted: 5/21/2014 9:00 AM
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While it would certainly be nice to have better scoreboard(s) in the Convo, does the existing situation cost us any fan support? I very much doubt it.  Would we attract more fans if we had a better scoreboard? That's an awfully tough argument to make.


My argument for having a video board is actually based more on recruiting. When someone walks into the Convo for the first time, he/she looks around for such a board and thinks, "Where is it?" When you go to a game and realize how worthless those boards are down low -- and how hard they are to see -- you think, "This is a second-rate arena."



So it is your belief that recruits are brought into the arena from the upper concourse level and that we have people standing in front of the scoreboards to block their view?  When a prospective player walks onto the floor, he has four scoreboards right in his line of sight.  There's no missing them from floor level. And I very much doubt his decision will be based on his walking up into the upper seating area to see how visible the scoreboard is for the average fan.

Again, I agree that it would be great to have a big-time scoreboard, but an honest cost-benefit analysis would indicate that our floor-level boards aren't costing us fans or recruits.

On another topic, someone complained about people standing in front of the scoreboards.  I agree that this can be an issue with the two boards on the north side of the arena. (More administrative people standing around there.)  No one stands in front of the south boards, however, so it takes, what, half a second, to look over there?


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Posted: 5/21/2014 9:22 AM
There are some places in the upper bowl where you can't see info on the boards about who scored, how many points he has, etc.

I don't know what a cost benefit analysis would show for new scoreboards, but the idea of installing them in the corners of the upper bowl is growing on me. 
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Posted: 5/21/2014 11:09 AM
As long as we seem intent on having one, this is the one I want.

Solves Alan's issue and the curving shape works great for a circular arena like the Convo.  Since they're going to knock the pace down, maybe it's available.
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Posted: 5/21/2014 11:29 AM
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As long as we seem intent on having one, this is the one I want.

Solves Alan's issue and the curving shape works great for a circular arena like the Convo.  Since they're going to knock the pace down, maybe it's available.


The Garden has a 10 year lease,that can,and most likely will  be, renewed.

They just renovated the place,so I'd look elsewhere for a used scoreboard.
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Posted: 5/21/2014 1:36 PM
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Interesting. Doing a little research and ran across this very wrong caption along with the  picture. 



They draw as well for volleyball practice as they do for basketball. Looks like their Senior Day crowd.
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Posted: 5/21/2014 3:37 PM
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I'm getting into the minutia here but I just want to throw out there that if we get a center hung scoreboard the big graphic underneath it that you see when you look up from center court has to be a paw print. No exceptions.



With this, I agree 100%.  I'd really like to see the use of the paw more in certain cases.  Or the use of both at the same time.


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While it would certainly be nice to have better scoreboard(s) in the Convo, does the existing situation cost us any fan support? I very much doubt it.  Would we attract more fans if we had a better scoreboard? That's an awfully tough argument to make.


My argument for having a video board is actually based more on recruiting. When someone walks into the Convo for the first time, he/she looks around for such a board and thinks, "Where is it?" When you go to a game and realize how worthless those boards are down low -- and how hard they are to see -- you think, "This is a second-rate arena."


So it is your belief that recruits are brought into the arena from the upper concourse level and that we have people standing in front of the scoreboards to block their view?  When a prospective player walks onto the floor, he has four scoreboards right in his line of sight.  There's no missing them from floor level. And I very much doubt his decision will be based on his walking up into the upper seating area to see how visible the scoreboard is for the average fan.

Again, I agree that it would be great to have a big-time scoreboard, but an honest cost-benefit analysis would indicate that our floor-level boards aren't costing us fans or recruits.

On another topic, someone complained about people standing in front of the scoreboards.  I agree that this can be an issue with the two boards on the north side of the arena. (More administrative people standing around there.)  No one stands in front of the south boards, however, so it takes, what, half a second, to look over there?


Unless of course you happen to sit above said south scoreboards, in which case, those standing in front of the north ones are a bit more of a nuisance. 

Bottom line for me is that updated scoreboards, placed somewhere besides the current locations, are part of necessary upgrades to the building for ALL of the programs that use the building, and for graduation.  I'd be happy with the removal of seats up high behind the baskets, and putting the scoreboards up there -  ala the old Cole Fieldhouse.

I think moving the scoreboards up high, in whatever fashion they chose to do so, would allow for a few things to happen that would generate revenue.  First, you could argue about the addition of more on court seats behind both baskets.  Second, you could argue that the area behind the north basket could be used as a "suite" area if desired.  Both could be nice revenue generators. 

It could be the "Ohio Bobcat Club" Suite.  It could be the first place in the building beer was allowed.  And there ya go....another potential revenue generator.  (same could be said about the "Sky Box" if it was ever put to a better use.

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Posted: 5/21/2014 4:06 PM
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While it would certainly be nice to have better scoreboard(s) in the Convo, does the existing situation cost us any fan support? I very much doubt it.  Would we attract more fans if we had a better scoreboard? That's an awfully tough argument to make.


My argument for having a video board is actually based more on recruiting. When someone walks into the Convo for the first time, he/she looks around for such a board and thinks, "Where is it?" When you go to a game and realize how worthless those boards are down low -- and how hard they are to see -- you think, "This is a second-rate arena."


So it is your belief that recruits are brought into the arena from the upper concourse level and that we have people standing in front of the scoreboards to block their view?  When a prospective player walks onto the floor, he has four scoreboards right in his line of sight.  There's no missing them from floor level. And I very much doubt his decision will be based on his walking up into the upper seating area to see how visible the scoreboard is for the average fan.

Again, I agree that it would be great to have a big-time scoreboard, but an honest cost-benefit analysis would indicate that our floor-level boards aren't costing us fans or recruits.

On another topic, someone complained about people standing in front of the scoreboards.  I agree that this can be an issue with the two boards on the north side of the arena. (More administrative people standing around there.)  No one stands in front of the south boards, however, so it takes, what, half a second, to look over there?


Yea, I mean, just take a second and walk partially around the arena until you have a better view of an unblocked board...

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Posted: 5/21/2014 4:40 PM
The Convo is a very nice arena and more than good enough to compete. Having a hanging scoreboard is not going to turn us into the next Gonzaga. If you think about it, when the Convo was still a young lady it was one of the nicest on- campus arenas in the country. What did it do for us then? The scoreboard is the very least of our concerns, in my opinion.
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Posted: 5/21/2014 4:47 PM
Well, since the photo was taken 2 minutes before the tip, wondering why it's an issue.  Guessing a bunch of those people will sit down at the start of the game.  And I can clearly see the score - it's 0-0.  

Good point, though, on those above the south boards.


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Posted: 5/21/2014 4:52 PM
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Well, since the photo was taken 2 minutes before the tip, wondering why it's an issue.  Guessing a bunch of those people will sit down at the start of the game.  And I can clearly see the score - it's 0-0.  

Good point, though, on those above the south boards.


Yeppers, that was kinda the point.
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Posted: 5/21/2014 7:27 PM
a hanging scoreboard is an enhancement, not a necessity, those that are against it because 'we've done just fine without it' are missing the point.
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