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Posted: 3/15/2015 9:29 PM
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With their high RPI and a stronger MAC overall, I'd really like to see Buffalo pull a 12 seed and get a more competitive match-up for the conference. Doubt that will happen though.
Good call here. I think Buffalo can win this one.
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Posted: 3/15/2015 9:35 PM
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MAC Postseason Situation (so far)

NCAA:
(12) Buffalo vs. (5) West Virginia (in Columbus)- Friday 3/20 at 2:10 PM, TNT

NIT:
(6) Central Michigan at (3) La. Tech - Tues. 3/17 at 7:30 PM, ESPN3

CIT:
Bowling Green at Saint Francis (PA) - Tuesday 3/17 at 7:00 PM
Cleveland State at Western Michigan - Wednesday 3/18 at 7:00 PM
Kent State at Middle Tennessee - Wednesday 3/18 at 7:00 PM

As usual, the CBI has no clue what in the hell they are doing.
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Posted: 3/16/2015 12:25 AM
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In the house for the final. Crowd is pathetic. Honestly not very different from the women's final.
You can't be serious. I was in the house for both games, too. Paid attendance 1300 for women's game, 5200 for the men. I thought both numbers reflected pretty closely actual people In the building.

Yeah, that's about half of the typical attendance when a team from Ohio is in the final, but considering geography I thought attendance was acceptable. We all knew the days of Kent, Akron and Ohio dominating the semis and finals couldn't last forever.

I also thought the crowd was very engaged and loud. Better than last years final.
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Posted: 3/16/2015 8:45 AM
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In the house for the final. Crowd is pathetic. Honestly not very different from the women's final.
You can't be serious. I was in the house for both games, too. Paid attendance 1300 for women's game, 5200 for the men. I thought both numbers reflected pretty closely actual people In the building.

Yeah, that's about half of the typical attendance when a team from Ohio is in the final, but considering geography I thought attendance was acceptable. We all knew the days of Kent, Akron and Ohio dominating the semis and finals couldn't last forever.

I also thought the crowd was very engaged and loud. Better than last years final.
I clearly had a distorted view of the women's game because I was in the throng of Bobcat fans, but I stand by my opinion of the final. Buffalo's fans were loud and decently represented, but Central barely took up a single section of seats. At the risk of sounding like Chuck Landon, 5,200 in a championship is unacceptable if we want to change the perception of the conference. Weekday games for the minor league hockey team in town draw better.
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Posted: 3/16/2015 9:07 AM
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Had a great trip to the Tourney. My first visit....

I would have felt that the attendance was higher than 1301 at the women's final:

http://www.ohiobobcats.com/sports/w-baskbl/stats/2014-201...

It seemed higher than that. The OU fans were by far the more numerous.
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Posted: 3/16/2015 9:24 AM
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At the risk of sounding like Chuck Landon, 5,200 in a championship is unacceptable if we want to change the perception of the conference. Weekday games for the minor league hockey team in town draw better.
Eh, nobody noticed or cared about the crowd. An exciting, well-played game is 100x more important.
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Posted: 3/16/2015 9:27 AM
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ts1227 wrote:expand_more
MAC Postseason Situation (so far)

NCAA:
(12) Buffalo vs. (5) West Virginia (in Columbus)- Friday 3/20 at 2:10 PM, TNT

NIT:
(6) Central Michigan at (3) La. Tech - Tues. 3/17 at 7:30 PM, ESPN3

CIT:
Bowling Green at Saint Francis (PA) - Tuesday 3/17 at 7:00 PM
Cleveland State at Western Michigan - Wednesday 3/18 at 7:00 PM
Kent State at Middle Tennessee - Wednesday 3/18 at 7:00 PM

As usual, the CBI has no clue what in the hell they are doing.

Surprising to me that Toledo garnered no interest in either the NIT or CIT.
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Posted: 3/16/2015 9:45 AM
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OU_Country wrote:expand_more
MAC Postseason Situation (so far)

NCAA:
(12) Buffalo vs. (5) West Virginia (in Columbus)- Friday 3/20 at 2:10 PM, TNT

NIT:
(6) Central Michigan at (3) La. Tech - Tues. 3/17 at 7:30 PM, ESPN3

CIT:
Bowling Green at Saint Francis (PA) - Tuesday 3/17 at 7:00 PM
Cleveland State at Western Michigan - Wednesday 3/18 at 7:00 PM
Kent State at Middle Tennessee - Wednesday 3/18 at 7:00 PM

As usual, the CBI has no clue what in the hell they are doing.

Surprising to me that Toledo garnered no interest in either the NIT or CIT.
Toledo and Akron declined all bids (if any were made)

EMU is in the CBI as well, I'll add it to the list
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Posted: 3/16/2015 9:48 AM
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Why would they decline bids to play in the CIT/NIT if they were offered?
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Posted: 3/16/2015 9:51 AM
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Because who wants to eat scraps?
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Posted: 3/16/2015 9:58 AM
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At the risk of sounding like Chuck Landon, 5,200 in a championship is unacceptable if we want to change the perception of the conference. Weekday games for the minor league hockey team in town draw better.
Eh, nobody noticed or cared about the crowd. An exciting, well-played game is 100x more important.
You're probably right about the TV audience and it was a well-played game, but the five people I took to the game noticed. To the casual fans like those I went with, a curtained-off arena that's still not even close to full in the lower bowl and essentially empty in the second deck looks pretty small time.
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Posted: 3/16/2015 10:50 AM
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Why would they decline bids to play in the CIT/NIT if they were offered?
Akron is pretty beat up and probably just needs to call it a day. Toledo, apparently, has had locker room problems.
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Posted: 3/16/2015 11:57 AM
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I checked the figures for The Summit League and for the Men's semi-final between NDSU and Oral Roberts University the attendance was 10,000 plus. For the final between NDSU and SDSU it was just north of 9,300. On the Lady's side for the semi between SDSU and ORU the attendance was 6,700 plus. For the final between South Dakota State and South Dakota the attendance was north of 6,900.
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Posted: 3/16/2015 12:45 PM
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I checked the figures for The Summit League and for the Men's semi-final between NDSU and Oral Roberts University the attendance was 10,000 plus. For the final between NDSU and SDSU it was just north of 9,300. On the Lady's side for the semi between SDSU and ORU the attendance was 6,700 plus. For the final between South Dakota State and South Dakota the attendance was north of 6,900.
A key thing there is that SDSU was involved in all of those sessions, and I believe they're in the host city, right?
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Posted: 3/16/2015 1:06 PM
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At the risk of sounding like Chuck Landon, 5,200 in a championship is unacceptable if we want to change the perception of the conference. Weekday games for the minor league hockey team in town draw better.
Eh, nobody noticed or cared about the crowd. An exciting, well-played game is 100x more important.
Eh, I notice. Obviously, others on here notice.

Just got to be the contrarian. Heck, I'll even lay odds that you'll have to snidely refute whatever giacamo states in his next post.
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Posted: 3/16/2015 1:21 PM
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Why would they decline bids to play in the CIT/NIT if they were offered?
Akron is pretty beat up and probably just needs to call it a day. Toledo, apparently, has had locker room problems.
Some insight into why they didn't go:

Toledo: A senior-laden team with nothing to prove: http://www.bcsn.tv/news_article/show/490894

Akron: Too beat up and fatigued: http://www.ohio.com/sports/zips/ua-basketball-zips-pass-o...
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Posted: 3/16/2015 2:25 PM
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At the risk of sounding like Chuck Landon, 5,200 in a championship is unacceptable if we want to change the perception of the conference. Weekday games for the minor league hockey team in town draw better.
Eh, nobody noticed or cared about the crowd. An exciting, well-played game is 100x more important.
Eh, I notice. Obviously, others on here notice.

Just got to be the contrarian. Heck, I'll even lay odds that you'll have to snidely refute whatever giacamo states in his next post.
Hey, I let most of his posts go yesterday. Yes, the people on here notice because a lot of people are really concerned about it for some reason. But the casual viewer? Doesn't care. All the conversation I saw about the game was about the game (amazing!) and not the attendance. We had good attendance in 2013, but it didn't matter because the game was a blowout and most people flipped to another channel. This game was good and it held attention on its own merits.

I mean, if being a contrarian means being supportive, fine. We have enough challenges; we don't need to go looking for others. I don't know why you took a shot at me here. I happen to have a different viewpoint. Granted, that tends to be the case a lot. But it's not for the sake of disagreeing- it is how I feel.
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Posted: 3/16/2015 5:25 PM
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The Summit League Tournament was in Sioux Falls, South Dakota at a neutral site. SDSU is located in another city. SDSU did play opposite the NDSU/ORU men's game, but the figure I stated for that game (10,000+) was for the NDSU/ORU game, not the game SDSU played in the semis.
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Posted: 3/16/2015 11:51 PM
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I checked the figures for The Summit League and for the Men's semi-final between NDSU and Oral Roberts University the attendance was 10,000 plus. For the final between NDSU and SDSU it was just north of 9,300. On the Lady's side for the semi between SDSU and ORU the attendance was 6,700 plus. For the final between South Dakota State and South Dakota the attendance was north of 6,900.
And what were the other/competing entertainment options in Sioux Falls?
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Posted: 3/17/2015 2:13 AM
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RSBobcat wrote:expand_more
I checked the figures for The Summit League and for the Men's semi-final between NDSU and Oral Roberts University the attendance was 10,000 plus. For the final between NDSU and SDSU it was just north of 9,300. On the Lady's side for the semi between SDSU and ORU the attendance was 6,700 plus. For the final between South Dakota State and South Dakota the attendance was north of 6,900.
And what were the other/competing entertainment options in Sioux Falls?
that is one of the most tired falsehoods around. There is ZERO correlation between the "lack of entertainment options" in a town and the number of attendees at a sporting event. If there were any truth to this the MAC would be bursting at the seams.
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Posted: 3/17/2015 9:34 AM
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I checked the figures for The Summit League and for the Men's semi-final between NDSU and Oral Roberts University the attendance was 10,000 plus. For the final between NDSU and SDSU it was just north of 9,300. On the Lady's side for the semi between SDSU and ORU the attendance was 6,700 plus. For the final between South Dakota State and South Dakota the attendance was north of 6,900.
And what were the other/competing entertainment options in Sioux Falls?
that is one of the most tired falsehoods around. There is ZERO correlation between the "lack of entertainment options" in a town and the number of attendees at a sporting event. If there were any truth to this the MAC would be bursting at the seams.
It's 2015. If you live in the US, it's likely you have access to an unprecedented number of entertainment options right at your fingertips.
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Posted: 3/17/2015 10:01 AM
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I say we prohibit any live people at sporting events from now on. Just put the events on TV to please all the people that want to watch from their living room couch. Just pipe in some fan noise and put some cardboard faces in the stands. It will probably look and sound better than a live crowd:)
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Posted: 3/17/2015 10:46 AM
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The North Dakota/South Dakota area has always drawn well for college basketball. Back when these schools were all Division II, they often led the nation in attendance.

Those are very impressive numbers for Summit League attendance.
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Posted: 3/17/2015 11:22 AM
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I think in a way, it is fair to use the "what else is there to do" up there. I know there's more to do than ever before, as JSF said. Many people root for where they're from, and the schools up there are the biggest shows in town.

They don't have major conference schools in every direction around them, and they don't have an NBA/NFL/NHL etc team right up the road in every direction. Yes, they do have Minneapolis close by, but it's nothing like way it is here in Ohio. That has to play a part in their support.

I do have to admit though, that until I got on here, I didn't notice any issue with the turnout in Cleveland Saturday night. I was too into the game, and other games I was watching.
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Posted: 3/17/2015 2:17 PM
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I think in a way, it is fair to use the "what else is there to do" up there. I know there's more to do than ever before, as JSF said. Many people root for where they're from, and the schools up there are the biggest shows in town.

They don't have major conference schools in every direction around them, and they don't have an NBA/NFL/NHL etc team right up the road in every direction. Yes, they do have Minneapolis close by, but it's nothing like way it is here in Ohio. That has to play a part in their support.
Isn't that balanced by the fact the towns aren't very big, whereas the big cities have a lot of competing options, but also a lot more people?
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