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Posted: 3/14/2015 12:39 PM
Kent and BG have already said they're CBI/CIT bound.
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Posted: 3/14/2015 12:43 PM
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You have to figure winner tonight to the NCAA and the loser to the NIT without a doubt. There are then 7 teams that have a resume that would spell CBI or NIT. I wouldn't think Toledo or Kent or BGSU would quite qualify for the NIT with a few teams with worse resumes than them winning their league regular season or tournament and taking up a few of the 100 combined spots. I had wondered if there might be a problem with Eastern or Western having to stay home with all the parity in the MAC at the "pretty decent but not all that good level." So many teams are ranked just over 100. You need to be in the top 90 or so to get an at large bid to the NIT. Toledo turning down a bid may open a spot up that someone else may not have gotten not because they weren't deserving but because they were looking for a way to not have 4 teams from one league in a minor tournament.
Here's where we are right now-

CMU- NCAA or NIT(guaranteed as MAC reg season champ)
UB- NCAA or likely NIT (Hurley turned down CBI/CIT last year so who knows)
Kent St- TBD.
Toledo- Refused invites to CBI/CIT. Done for the year.
BGSU- accepted CIT invite
WMU- accepted CIT invite
Akron- invited to CIT/CBI, sounds like Dambrot might decline. TBD.
EMU- accepted CBI invite

Could of had as many as 8 teams in tournaments, will likely have 5 or 6.
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Posted: 3/14/2015 12:48 PM
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I'm going to guess CMU opens as 2.5 point favorites against UB.
I'm seeing Buffalo opened at -2.5, and the line has moved to -3. If I was a betting man, I would love to load up on CMU getting 3.
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Posted: 3/14/2015 12:55 PM
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I'm going to guess CMU opens as 2.5 point favorites against UB.
I'm seeing Buffalo opened at -2.5, and the line has moved to -3. If I was a betting man, I would love to load up on CMU getting 3.
Me too. Central swept Buffalo during the season; go with the team that is 2-0.
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Posted: 3/14/2015 1:24 PM
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I'm going to guess CMU opens as 2.5 point favorites against UB.
I'm seeing Buffalo opened at -2.5, and the line has moved to -3. If I was a betting man, I would love to load up on CMU getting 3.
Me too. Central swept Buffalo during the season; go with the team that is 2-0.
I'll fight the first person to say "It's hard to beat a team three times."
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Posted: 3/14/2015 5:00 PM
I posted on here yesterday that UB wins the MAC. And that was before CMU beat UT to advance to finals. Now I'm even more sure as we all know it's hard to beat a team for the third time in a season.
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Posted: 3/14/2015 5:04 PM
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I'll fight the first person to say "It's hard to beat a team three times."
Fight on. ;-)

I don't like Hurley as much as the next guy, but though it can be done it does make it a little harder if you are going up against a team you've already beat twice in the regular season. It's more psychological than physical IMHO.
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Posted: 3/14/2015 5:18 PM
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I'll fight the first person to say "It's hard to beat a team three times."
Fight on. ;-)

I don't like Hurley as much as the next guy, but though it can be done it does make it a little harder if you are going up against a team you've already beat twice in the regular season. It's more psychological than physical IMHO.
Your opinion is objectively wrong. The team that won the first two wins the third an overwhelming majority of the time. If your mindset is having two wins over the team you're playing is a bad thing, you're mentally weak and you probably wouldn't have gotten those first two wins anyway.

Seriously. Think about it. Would you rather be 2-0 or 1-1 against a team? Would you rather KNOW you can take care of business, or be unsure because you split?
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Posted: 3/14/2015 7:33 PM
In the house for the final. Crowd is pathetic. Honestly not very different from the women's final.
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Posted: 3/14/2015 7:59 PM
If CMU can shoot like this again for the whole game against Buffalo I hope that they can repeat it in the NCAA.
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Posted: 3/14/2015 8:51 PM
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I'll fight the first person to say "It's hard to beat a team three times."
Fight on. ;-)

I don't like Hurley as much as the next guy, but though it can be done it does make it a little harder if you are going up against a team you've already beat twice in the regular season. It's more psychological than physical IMHO.
Your opinion is objectively wrong. The team that won the first two wins the third an overwhelming majority of the time. If your mindset is having two wins over the team you're playing is a bad thing, you're mentally weak and you probably wouldn't have gotten those first two wins anyway.

Seriously. Think about it. Would you rather be 2-0 or 1-1 against a team? Would you rather KNOW you can take care of business, or be unsure because you split?
Can you cite any college basketball statistics to prove your objective point? The figures that I could find referred the NBA, where your assertions were correct, but you'd expect pro players to be less likely to succumb to overconfidence and other psychological factors that would affect younger college players.
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Posted: 3/14/2015 9:05 PM
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In the house for the final. Crowd is pathetic. Honestly not very different from the women's final.
It's a typical "no Ohio schools left" crowd. 7-8K?

Looks like Buffalo traveled decent as they tend to do.

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Here's where we are right now-

CMU- NCAA or NIT(guaranteed as MAC reg season champ)
UB- NCAA or likely NIT (Hurley turned down CBI/CIT last year so who knows)
Kent St- TBD.
Toledo- Refused invites to CBI/CIT. Done for the year.
BGSU- accepted CIT invite
WMU- accepted CIT invite
Akron- invited to CIT/CBI, sounds like Dambrot might decline. TBD.
EMU- accepted CBI invite

Could of had as many as 8 teams in tournaments, will likely have 5 or 6.

Akron officially declines
http://www.gozips.com/sports/mbkb/2014-15/releases/201503...
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Posted: 3/14/2015 9:10 PM
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I'll fight the first person to say "It's hard to beat a team three times."
Fight on. ;-)

I don't like Hurley as much as the next guy, but though it can be done it does make it a little harder if you are going up against a team you've already beat twice in the regular season. It's more psychological than physical IMHO.
Your opinion is objectively wrong. The team that won the first two wins the third an overwhelming majority of the time. If your mindset is having two wins over the team you're playing is a bad thing, you're mentally weak and you probably wouldn't have gotten those first two wins anyway.

Seriously. Think about it. Would you rather be 2-0 or 1-1 against a team? Would you rather KNOW you can take care of business, or be unsure because you split?
Can you cite any college basketball statistics to prove your objective point? The figures that I could find referred the NBA, where your assertions were correct, but you'd expect pro players to be less likely to succumb to overconfidence and other psychological factors that would affect younger college players.
I don't have stats at hand but I'd be absolutely stunned if it were not much more true at lower levels than in the NBA. Most of these win twice and then play a third time situations in college basketball would occur when a team finishes first or second in a conference, this beating most of the middling and lower teams in the league twice in the process, and plays a 8 or 7 seed in the first round of the tournament.

A much smaller data set would be the rare instance where two teams tie for the regular season title with one having beaten the other twice (MAC this year and with Ohio and Akron a couple of years ago) and THEN they play a third time. This is more in line with what people are usually talking about when they say that. I'd still personally be a little surprised if the adage is true and the team that won the first two still didn't won the third at at least a clip around 50%.
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Posted: 3/14/2015 9:12 PM
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I'll fight the first person to say "It's hard to beat a team three times."
Fight on. ;-)

I don't like Hurley as much as the next guy, but though it can be done it does make it a little harder if you are going up against a team you've already beat twice in the regular season. It's more psychological than physical IMHO.
Your opinion is objectively wrong. The team that won the first two wins the third an overwhelming majority of the time. If your mindset is having two wins over the team you're playing is a bad thing, you're mentally weak and you probably wouldn't have gotten those first two wins anyway.

Seriously. Think about it. Would you rather be 2-0 or 1-1 against a team? Would you rather KNOW you can take care of business, or be unsure because you split?
Can you cite any college basketball statistics to prove your objective point? The figures that I could find referred the NBA, where your assertions were correct, but you'd expect pro players to be less likely to succumb to overconfidence and other psychological factors that would affect younger college players.
I did the research myself a few years ago and narrowed it down to the MAC. The team that won the first two won the third 78% of the time.
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Posted: 3/14/2015 9:35 PM
I dislike UB but still better than Akron winning. He needs one more stepping stone job, but Hurley could be destined to replace Coach K someday
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Posted: 3/14/2015 9:37 PM
I'm happy for Buffalo. They've suffered enough.
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Posted: 3/14/2015 9:47 PM
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I did the research myself a few years ago and narrowed it down to the MAC. The team that won the first two won the third 78% of the time.
Well, it now must be down to 73.5%. ;-)

Seriously, it would be interesting to see similar stats from other conferences.
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Posted: 3/14/2015 9:57 PM
With their high RPI and a stronger MAC overall, I'd really like to see Buffalo pull a 12 seed and get a more competitive match-up for the conference. Doubt that will happen though.
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Posted: 3/14/2015 10:01 PM
Wyoming winning the Mountain West helps; they'll be below Buffalo.
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Posted: 3/14/2015 11:36 PM
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It's a typical "no Ohio schools left" crowd. 7-8K?
Official attendance was 5,200, and that might be generous. It was pathetic. Buffalo was marginally better represented than Central, but that just made them the tallest midget. Given that Buffalo had never made the Tourney and Central hadn't been since the Kamen days, there's no excuse for the poor showing by the fans.
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Posted: 3/14/2015 11:39 PM
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It's a typical "no Ohio schools left" crowd. 7-8K?
Official attendance was 5,200, and that might be generous. It was pathetic. Buffalo was marginally better represented than Central, but that just made them the tallest midget. Given that Buffalo had never made the Tourney and Central hadn't been since the Kamen days, there's no excuse for the poor showing by the fans.
Michigan schools barely draw in Michigan, let alone anywhere else. Not all that surprising.

It definitely is a different animal when no Ohio schools make the finals.
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Posted: 3/15/2015 12:02 AM
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It's a typical "no Ohio schools left" crowd. 7-8K?
Official attendance was 5,200, and that might be generous. It was pathetic. Buffalo was marginally better represented than Central, but that just made them the tallest midget. Given that Buffalo had never made the Tourney and Central hadn't been since the Kamen days, there's no excuse for the poor showing by the fans.
The only excuse is that the programs don't actually have any fans.

Which is likely the truth (especially for CMU) and also a pretty good excuse! Haha.
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Posted: 3/15/2015 1:17 AM
The combined average attendance for UB and CMU this season is 5,427 and the attendance for the MACC game was listed at 5,266. Makes sense, I guess.

I think UB is the best equipped team to represent the MAC in the tournament this year but I have to admit that I'm a little bummed that they won. I've grown fond of their fans' Marshall-like conspiratorial pessimism. The MAC wants the Ohio based schools to succeed at the expense of UB, the refs always pick on them because they're in on the conspiracy too, etc. etc., it's really entertaining. Their Charlie Brown kicking a football like failures helped fuel the anguish and paranoia. Now that they've won its reminds of a t-shirt I saw after the Red Sox finally won the World Series in '04. It said something along the lines of "turns out there was no curse, we just sucked for a really long time".

Oh well, best of luck to you THE New York University At Buffalo In Amherst Just Off The 290 Over There By The Chuck E Cheese, or whatever it says on your jerseys, I couldn't make it out. and I hope your success doesn't cost you your coach because we all benefit from his commitment to Professionalism.
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Posted: 3/15/2015 1:48 AM
I thought the crowd tonight was better than last year's championship game, although that might just have been my personal perception after seeing such a small crowd last season. That was a serious drop after six straight years with Akron involved.
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Posted: 3/15/2015 6:06 PM
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. . . Now that they've won its reminds of a t-shirt I saw after the Red Sox finally won the World Series in '04. It said something along the lines of "turns out there was no curse, we just sucked for a really long time."
I hope as a recovering Cub Fan that I can purchase and wear a similar t-shirt before I shuffle off this mortal coil.
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