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Posted: 1/27/2016 7:07 AM
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We blew a 19 point lead in 5 minutes and 13 seconds. Why were we playing at such a fast pace with that lead. It looked like we were trying to put up 100 points instead of focusing on putting the game away. 19 point lead under 9 minutes left requires using a little clock. This is the MAC and weird stuff like this game happens.
This is exactly what I said last night. There is no time management whatsoever. I think Ohio was up 20 or so with 12 minutes remaining. This shoulda been the time to start running some clock and getting some looks down low, but instead they upped the tempo and took way too many quick shots. It makes no sense. Simple time management can win ballgames. We were lucky to escape with the W. With that being said, what a huge win. Gotta have better time management though to take down Kent, Akron and NIU.
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some teams do not have the ability to take the foot off the gas. IMHO we become very stagnant when we try to take time off. This team does not seem to be able to run the offense through with crisp passes and sharp cuts just to eat clock. When JS is not attacking they stagnate and then get a crummy shot. I am all for keeping the pedal down and attacking. THe big leads have disappeared when we stopped attacking. Play one way? Well, if attacking all the time is our strength ...then I am all for it. I agree with not taking quick shots, which I do not consider attacking the basket. Quick shots are just impatience (young teams show lots of it) and should be admonished but in the bigger pic I applaud the probing, penetrating and aggressive advancement.
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Posted: 1/27/2016 7:38 AM
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bornacatfan wrote:expand_more
some teams do not have the ability to take the foot off the gas. IMHO we become very stagnant when we try to take time off. This team does not seem to be able to run the offense through with crisp passes and sharp cuts just to eat clock. When JS is not attacking they stagnate and then get a crummy shot. I am all for keeping the pedal down and attacking. THe big leads have disappeared when we stopped attacking. Play one way? Well, if attacking all the time is our strength ...then I am all for it. I agree with not taking quick shots, which I do not consider attacking the basket. Quick shots are just impatience (young teams show lots of it) and should be admonished but in the bigger pic I applaud the probing, penetrating and aggressive advancement.
Totally agree. I actually thought last night they took the foot off the gas a little bit which helped Toledo get back into it. If they play the way Saul wants them to for 40 minutes and shoot the way they did last night? Hard to beat that team.
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Posted: 1/27/2016 8:49 AM
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Talk about hot and cold. Wow. I guess we gritted it out in the end? But, I doubt we'll keep shooting 55% and 52% from 3. Crazy game.
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Posted: 1/27/2016 9:17 AM
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I agree that this game was a microcosm of our team. Oozing with potential and fraught with youth and inexperience. That inexperience seems to manifest itself in panic when facing adversity. We stop running the offense and start launching shots, which often leads to a disorganized defense on the other end. I wish Saul would take some timeouts when that snowball starts rolling down the hill.
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Ohio69, you hit the nail on the head. "Crazy game" it was ! A young team like ours really needed to win a "roadie" like this one. We are capable of competing with all the MAC teams when we shoot it like we did last night. We came up with some critical stops down the stretch when we had to have them, which is something that we have not been able to do consistently just yet. This is a growing process and patience is required. Play hard, play smart, land a couple of recruiting classes to build a program ! Go Cats!
Be in the Convo Friday night. The best team, or second best team in the league is coming to town.
Toledo Rocket facilities are head and shoulders the best in the MAC. Luxury boxes are awesome in Savage, and their football facilities are first class. Jealousy is a terrible thing!
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bornacatfan wrote:expand_more
some teams do not have the ability to take the foot off the gas. IMHO we become very stagnant when we try to take time off. This team does not seem to be able to run the offense through with crisp passes and sharp cuts just to eat clock. When JS is not attacking they stagnate and then get a crummy shot. I am all for keeping the pedal down and attacking. THe big leads have disappeared when we stopped attacking. Play one way? Well, if attacking all the time is our strength ...then I am all for it. I agree with not taking quick shots, which I do not consider attacking the basket. Quick shots are just impatience (young teams show lots of it) and should be admonished but in the bigger pic I applaud the probing, penetrating and aggressive advancement.
I am very much in favor of playing to your strengths. I agree.
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Posted: 1/27/2016 10:08 AM
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bornacatfan wrote:expand_more
some teams do not have the ability to take the foot off the gas. IMHO we become very stagnant when we try to take time off. This team does not seem to be able to run the offense through with crisp passes and sharp cuts just to eat clock. When JS is not attacking they stagnate and then get a crummy shot. I am all for keeping the pedal down and attacking. THe big leads have disappeared when we stopped attacking. Play one way? Well, if attacking all the time is our strength ...then I am all for it. I agree with not taking quick shots, which I do not consider attacking the basket. Quick shots are just impatience (young teams show lots of it) and should be admonished but in the bigger pic I applaud the probing, penetrating and aggressive advancement.
I agree. I had no problem with the pace they played. Thought Kenny forced a couple shots but overall I wasn't upset with the pace. Jaaron missed the front end of a couple of one-and-one's and Tony couldn't buy a foul. Every time a big on Toledo would get near the basket they were getting the foul call even when they were initiating all the contact. Seemed like every single call went the way of the Rockets down the stretch. Even the obvious one they reversed after review.

And did I mention that I hate Steve Mix. So happy he's not on the regular MAC broadcasts anymore.
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I am very much for playing to win! Good teams can adjust to SCORE and TIME. Evidently this team cannot do that yet since it is so young, perhaps in time they will be able to. It is amazing they did slow it down with 2 minutes left but didn't do it with 6 left. Running clock earlier could NOT have resulted in any worse possessions than the ones we had which let them back in it.
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Posted: 1/27/2016 10:13 AM
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This is a growing process and patience is required. Play hard, play smart, land a couple of recruiting classes to build a program !
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Posted: 1/27/2016 10:16 AM
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This was an important win for all the reasons mentioned.

My 1 point to make is; I still am concerned that we are relying on outside jump shots too much. We need to go into Tony more as he has worked hard to develop that short jump hook shot. Also JS in working hard by dribbling into the paint for those short 10-12' jumpers as well as his lay ups. We need more of these plays to help balance the scoring.




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Posted: 1/27/2016 10:21 AM
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This is a growing process and patience is required. Play hard, play smart, land a couple of recruiting classes to build a program !
Bingo
I keep thinking of the scene in "Moneyball" where Brad Pitt is talking to the A's players and he keeps repeating: "It's a process, it's a process"
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Posted: 1/27/2016 10:24 AM
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This was an important win for all the reasons mentioned.

My 1 point to make is; I still am concerned that we are relying on outside jump shots too much. We need to go into Tony more as he has worked hard to develop that short jump hook shot. Also JS in working hard by dribbling into the paint for those short 10-12' jumpers as well as his lay ups. We need more of these plays to help balance the scoring.




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I don't disagree with you, but the outside shots are what open things up in the middle for Jaaron and Tony. You have to think that one of the guys who can shoot it from the outside (Jaaron, Jordy, KK, Tony, Gavin, Treg) is gonna get hot at some point. It's not very often that a team has so many guys who can shoot well from deep.

This offense is a little similar to JG's offense that way. The drive, dish and kick out for open threes works wonders trying to open the paint.
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I think tonight was a much deserved/needed win that featured both the greatness this team has within them but also the growing pains that are still being worked through.

Given the youth on this team, I think only good things will be coming if they keep playing hard and together.

Always frustrating to see a large, double digit lead evaporate but anyone who has watched enough sports at any level, if team A can jump out to such a large lead, team B can return the favor as momentum swings back and forth.

Looking back on my OU sports experiences, that last 3 point shot as the buzzer has gone in against us our fair share, so it was nice to be on the winning end.
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Posted: 1/27/2016 11:19 AM
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I've decided not to worry about losing big leads. It's just the way this team is. No lead is going to be safe. We just don't have guys who can shut down the other team's offense. Haven't seen anyone get in the opponent's face and slap the floor. I think the best we can hope for is better shot selection and starting the offense by feeding Tony so he can either get a good shot or kick it out to an open man.
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Doing more inside can also lead to drawing fouls, which equates to free throwns and in Tony's case could lead to having the opponents starting center getting into foul trouble.






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71 BOBCAT wrote:expand_more
This was an important win for all the reasons mentioned.

My 1 point to make is; I still am concerned that we are relying on outside jump shots too much. We need to go into Tony more as he has worked hard to develop that short jump hook shot. Also JS in working hard by dribbling into the paint for those short 10-12' jumpers as well as his lay ups. We need more of these plays to help balance the scoring.




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This is true because the shots won't always fall like they did last night. And you'll want an alternative for bad outside shooting nights. Going inside for a higher percentage shot and/or draw fouls is a nice option to have.
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I've decided not to worry about losing big leads. It's just the way this team is. No lead is going to be safe. We just don't have guys who can shut down the other team's offense. Haven't seen anyone get in the opponent's face and slap the floor. I think the best we can hope for is better shot selection and starting the offense by feeding Tony so he can either get a good shot or kick it out to an open man.
Yeah...its scary to think this has happened again. Very reminiscent of Tulsa game when they blew huge lead in final 10 minutes. Thankfully they survived this one. Hopefully this trend ends soon. Can't be coughing up 20 point leads in last 10 minutes of games.
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Posted: 1/27/2016 11:44 AM
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and in Tony's case could lead to having the opponents starting center getting into foul trouble.
It should have last night but for whatever reason they refused to call a foul when Tony had the ball. He got hammered on several occasions but didn't get to the line once.
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I too agree. This group appears to lose focus or confidence when they use clock, resulting a crazy pass or put up a hurried shot. They're better off pushing for a score. The missing part is defense. Would it make sense to actually throw in a surprise full court press when we have a run going (assuming we're not in foul trouble) to get the defensive motor running?
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Yeah...its scary to think this has happened again. Very reminiscent of Tulsa game when they blew huge lead in final 10 minutes. Thankfully they survived this one. Hopefully this trend ends soon. Can't be coughing up 20 point leads in last 10 minutes of games.
Agree with your general point, and I also was reminded of the Tulsa game last night, and I was fearing a similar ending. Glad it didn't happen, but it was oh so close to being "déjà vu all over again," to use the words of the immortal baseball legend, Yogi Berra.
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These refs are absolutely freaking awful
Why blame the refs for a total meltdown? This is embarrassing, win or lose.
If there's one thing I hate it's an embarrassing win.
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By the way, huge shout out to Treg for calmly sinking both free throws at the end. I didn't realize it but he's hitting nearly 80% this year compared to around 60% the last two.
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By the way, huge shout out to Treg for calmly sinking both free throws at the end. I didn't realize it but he's hitting nearly 80% this year compared to around 60% the last two.
Those were big time and honestly, probably misses at least one of the two last year. As a team, Ohio is 9th nationally in FT shooting.

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